PC Case Gear has RX 5700 XT for $629 and 5700 for $549. The 5700 looks particularly awesome. Compared against the RTX 2070 Super at $939 and RTX 2070 at $719, they look even better.
I like the look of ray tracing, but is it worth $310 for it working or $170 for a version that doesn't really cut it I'm not sure.
$749 for 2060 Super, with more RT cores on a 2070, if ray tracing is your thing save $30 and get the 2070.
Oh wow I'm a bit disappointed at how expensive those Supers have come out. I was thinking like maybe 620-650 for a 2060 Super.
Id also hope the 5700 prices would go down because it seems in some cases its comparable with the 2060 and the whole point was that these cards were going to be way cheaper than their comparable RTX cards, which in this case it doesn't seem so?
Basing off reviews, ths 5700 runs at about 10% faster then the 2060. It's more comparable to the 2060s.
@N1NJ4W4RR10R: yah but if you wait/look you can get the 2060 for ~$480-$500 which would make it a wash compared to $550 for a 5700.
Just don't trust AMD drivers (have owned 3 Team Red generations before my current 1060, far less issues) and also I'm a GSync hostage lol.
Then again if ozbargain (when lol) brings the 5700 down to the $500 mark then yeah you'd be paying for the Nvidia tax
@bender000: What do you get with the 2060? RTX isn't powerful enough to be effective while maintaining decent resolution and frame rates. Physx is an abandoned aesthetic which is similar to the better visuals you'd get with higher settings.
AMD drivers seem pretty reliable to me, I've not had issues for years, not that Nvidia gives me issues either, though with Nvidia I have to keep logging in to install the driver package, which pisses me off.
around +15% to 20% perf/$ definitely worth it
What to what please?
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1870/bench/Cost.pn…
5700 compared to 2060S = 15%
5700XT compared to 2070S = 22%
I meant what cards, 5700 to 5700 XT or a different one?
Got ya now, yeah, looks good do they?
Anyone got some feedback on whether it is better getting any one brand over the other? The Sapphire one is about $70 cheaper than the Gigabyte. Is it worth any extra since they all have the same cards?
Those cards are the same.
The main difference is usually in the warranty and RMA process.
I get what you mean, but the warranty is the same, take it back to the store I bought it from. Just depends how long it takes to get back to me.
Anyone had experience with Sapphire?
Buy from sapphire/xfx/powercolor, they're ghe cheapest in Aus tmk.
Sapphire or xfx are your best bets warranty wise, otherwise they're all the same right now.
I was looking at getting a Sapphire 5700 XT now, but after watching a few more reviews, I think I will wait for the AIB Partner cards to come out. The thermals and noise are crap on this card.
AIB customs have been confirmed for mid Aug, definitely worth a wait. If you can't though they'll be decently fine, especially after an undervolt and some changing of the fan speeds.
@N1NJ4W4RR10R: I think I'll wait. My current R9 Fury is still going strong. Give AMD to work on their drivers too.
@AdosHouse: Definitely a plus for waiting, lol. AMD's day 1 drivers are as bad as ever but they normally get ironed out past the first few weeks, should be pretty good when the custom cards hit.
Video cards have gone sideways in the last 3 years. One coud buy a GTX 1070 exactly 3 years ago for around $530 to power 1440p gaming. It was pretty much consensus at the time that 1070 was the card to go for if you were doing 1440p. Yet here we 3 years later and I'm looking at a review for 5700 XT that condludes "solid card for 1440p!" What? I thought we conquered 1440p years ago! So here we are 3 years later with cards that have gone through complete architectural reworks which are only marginally better and cost MORE for the privelige
But at what frame rate? 5700XT looks like it'll perform somewhere around a 1080 ti.
The 1080ti was also the go to 4k card a few years ago, doesn't mean the 2080ti doesn't do it a hell of a lot better.
For reference when looking at the charts, the 5700 is about equivalent to a 1080. XT is about equivalent to a 1080ti. The 1070 gets absolutely smoked.
You're talking about a time when 144hz monitors, adaptive frame syncing and the level of textures in games if very different to today's landscape.
Any of the games you're talking about from 3 years ago would be crushed by the new breed of 1440p aimed cards, where as the 1070 sold as a solid 1440p card 3 years ago would struggle to be a "good" card for that resolution for new games run at that res. Particularly if you're looking to game at high refresh rates.
GTX 1070 vs RX 5700
5700 is noticeably faster for the same price, so its not a too terrible increase in performance.
Really noob question here: if I have an Intel CPU (i5 6600k), will a the 5700 work with it ? Or will there be compatibility issues ?
I'm currently running a Gtx 970
It'll work just fine, the 5700 uses less power than the GTX 970 does, though the 5700 XT uses slightly more power.
I don't believe the i5 6600k will be a bottleneck for the 5700 in general, some games which have high CPU intensive settings such as in AC Odyssey might suffer at high settings.
AC Odyssey might suffer at high settings
I've been struggling to run AC:O with the GTX 970 so just had to resort to bringing down some settings to low, which has driven me to look for an upgrade. And also to prepare to Cyberpunk.
Plus I'm running on 1080p but I'm looking at upgrading my monitor to 1440p for Cyberpunk. I'm not all too fussed about ray tracing.
I'm playing AC Odyssey now with an i7 8700k and Gtx 1050 2gb , with Avg of 50 Frames , Not in the main city yet though. I've lowered shadows to medium, and clouds to medium which seems to make the most difference.
Nvidia Control Panel Settings which have definitely helped me in Odyssey with Micro-stutter and Performance Increase (Can't find the Post)
Go to Nvidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings > AC odyssey
Anti-aliasing - FXAA: Off
Maximum Pre-rendered Frames: 1
Multi-Frame Sampled AA (MFAA): Off
Power Management Mode: Prefer Maximum Performance
Texture Filtering - Negative LOD Bias: Clamp
Threaded Optimization On
Triple Buffering: On
Vertical Sync: Fast (Turn V-Sync Off in game)
I also user Rivatuner to Limit Frames and show FPS.
When your CPU bottlenecks a game, often you'll be able to up certain graphical settings with no to minimal CPU penalties.
Is your CPU overclocked? I'd recommend it if it isn't.
As for CyberPunk 2077, I'm waiting for Navi 20 before I make an upgrade. I want it looking fantastic.
@FabMan: Assassin's Creed Odyssey is similar to Assassin's Creed Origins, in that they have terrible ports/optimisation on the PC Platform. Other titles that aren't optimised well include Fallout 4/76, PUBG, ARK, Quantum Break, ResidentEvil 7, RTTR/STTR, Ghost Recon Wildlands etc etc. So I wouldn't really base how powerful my system on these titles.
Without referring to eSports (Overwatch) titles and old games (The Witcher 3)…
Some of the well-optimised titles include FarCry 5/New Dawn, Metro Exodus, World War Z, Just Cause 3, Watch Dogs 2, BattleField 1, Doom 4, MGS V, Alien Isolation, TitanFall 2, The Division 2, Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3/4, Dirt Rally, F1 2019 etc etc. These titles can more accurately show what your hardware is capable of, especially if you crank resolution to 1440p (or more) and the Graphics Setting to High (or more), and you experience very little stutter and frame-drops, but high framerates at 60fps (or more).
As for CyberPunk 2077, the game has been delayed a couple times and that's a good sign. Every single time they've shown/demo the game, we actually have seen some changes in the artwork alongside increases to graphics. I think they're developing this as a HUGE game with PC Gaming in mind so it can be ported well for the PS5 and Xbox V. We will see it first on the PS4/XB1 next year. So I'm expecting optimisation closer towards FarCry 5 and further from Fallout 4.
Shouldn't be any compatibility issues.
Have been collecting benchmarks for these.
Very good cards it looks like. Although I'd hold off till August if possible as it's confirmed AIB custom cards launch then. The custom cards will probably be a "+5%" to these results (as well as being nicer noise wise).
The RX 5700 is around the RTX 2060-Super (GTX 1080) performance level, but around the RTX 2060 price wise.
The RX 5700xt is around the RTX 2070-Super (GTX 1080Ti*) performance, but around the RTX 2060-Super price wise.
…just be weary of some misinformation, biases, and shills (from popular reviewers) that are making the RTX-Super cards sound like they're much better than the RDNA Navi alternatives. As a note, HardwareUnboxed is probably the best source of unbiased information/opinion. I also hope, that with the sudden release of the AMD Ryzen-3000 CPU's that the fence-sitters give AMD a serious consideration. They aren't the cheap brand that people have associated with. And these products certainly deserve the money, marketshare, and the mindshare/respect, especially to keep the industry healthy or forming a monopoly.
Finally, yes finally, the RX 5700 is a proper successor to the old AMD R9 290/390X cards. The Vega 56/64/VII weren't proper successors. Even though its taken something between 2 - 5 years to get there. And this allows people with the R9 290 and GTX 970 owners (or even older/slower) the opportunity to upgrade without compromising on performance and value. We can finally retire the cards RX 470 - RX 590, and the GTX 1060 - GTX 1660 Ti. But prospective consumers they should definitely not have faith in an even faster "RX 5800" (>GTX 1080Ti), it won't be releasing this year judging by all the telltale signs out there.
*okay, maybe not quite there, but I can see the margins shrink in the coming months.
Yeah. I have some notes on my posts through reddit - but generally the 2070s is a mere 5 - 10% better then the 5700xt depending on the benchmark. Hardware Unboxed had one outlier, removing that brings it to 4%. TechPowerUp had several, the biggest being ace combat, whilst also excluding any big games that would benefit AMD (I generally don't care, but some of the games they had/didn't have there made it look just a tad biased)
Also, I've just seen AU pricing on Super. That is absolutely pathetic. The cards are priced to replace the cards they perform worse then, in the 2070 and 2080. It's so bad you'd be better off buying damned blowers.
Finally, yes finally, the RX 5700 is a proper successor to the old AMD R9 290/390X cards. The Vega 56/64/VII weren't proper successors. Even though its taken something between 2 - 5 years to get there.
The Fury X, Vega 56/64 and Radeon VII were all intended to be the successor to the R9 290X (which was a top dog card in its day - I had one), but they all have one huge problem - the price of HBM. Aside from that, they are all cut-down compute cards, not really designed from the ground up for gaming the way that the Navi range is.
Either way, I think the current Navi range is the natural successor to Polaris in that they are mid-range cards. The RX 480 and 580 were great cards, but AMD wasn't able to get more out of Polaris. Hoping they can get more out of Navi to make it into a true high-performance option.
But prospective consumers they should definitely not have faith in an even faster "RX 5800" (>GTX 1080Ti), it won't be releasing this year judging by all the telltale signs out there.
That's the issue with AMD's GPU divison right now. They haven't been able to produce a viable high performance alternative.
Thanks for the specs.
Noob question, what are "AIB custom cards"?
It is when the brands make their own PCB design, and most crucially with AMD graphics cards, put a proper multi fan cooler on them instead of those blower monstrosities that sound like jet engines taking off.
So wait a few months and the things will be half as loud at the very least, and possibly have other benefits like lower thermals & therefore better overclocking etc.
This. So the ASUS strix cards or the Gigabyte Windforce series.
Also, I believe AMD have confirmed that AIBs will be throwing out customs in August.
I'd say, right now, the 5700 XT is the best bang-for-buck card for a ~$1500 gaming PC, which seems to be the budget most people go for.
The RTX 2060 Super and 2070 Super prices in the US aren't bad, but here, they've got a much higher premium over the straight USD conversion than the AMD cards. The 5700 XT is $399 USD ($576 AUD, so basically $630 after GST - no Aussie tax). The 2070 Super is $450 USD ($650 AUD, so $715 after GST), and is listed at around $940. W. T. F. No point even considering them at all at the current prices.
If you need to get an Nvidia card, the outgoing 2060 isn't bad, available for around $450, which comes in well below the 5700. The outgoing 2070 at $629 (I think it's Computer Alliance with 10% off eBay) is also really good, you trade off some fps for the Nvidia features vs. the same priced 5700 XT.
The 5700 is a loser at current prices IMO. It's not $100 better than the 2060 at $450 and if you're spending $550, I'd strongly suggest just saving $80 more to go with the far better 5700 XT. The 5700 needs to be around $500 to be competitive.
Agreed on 5700 pricing. It would've been fine, but OCing is awful on it thanks to a cap…
Also, just saw super pricing. It's absolutely atrocious. Ignoring ebay sales, you're paying as much as the cards they're meant to replace (2070/2080) for less performance.
*Also something to note, however, is that the 5700 should be very close/equivalent to the 2070 for less. 5700xt would be 15% ish better performance wise. Numbers are based off review comparisons of the 2060s mind, but they're more or less the same.
I want to grab one of these for a new Ryzen build, but there is no way in hell I'm getting one of those horrible blower reference cards.
So I'm pretty much playing the waiting game again waiting for aftermarket cooling or a sweet 20% off a new (or old) Nvidia card in the next month.
Custom cards come in August.
I'd probably have recommended a Super card and just skip the wait. But the pricing of these in Aus are obnoxious.
how much is 2060 super ? performance same/close to 2070
can do 1080p/60fps battlefield ray tracing