General question, are you eating less meat than you were 12 months ago? My wife has started eating less, which means I have as well. Noticed more of the weekly shop has been heading to veggies and less into meat, now its mainly a pack of chicken a week between us. No big ethical reasons, just eating less.
Curious if this is a wider trend in your house as well?
@blergmonkeys: I just looked at your second study and it also includes processed meat, so thats another one you didn't read.
The third study abstract doesn't even talk about meat, it's about vegetarian & vegan health lol. So you didn't read that one either did you, also full content is behind a paywall US$35.
So there we have it. The 3 studies you pasted in, none of which you even looked at.
@trapper: Mate, you’re not making any valid points. First, the inclusion of processed meats, being the most frequently consumed type of meat, doesn’t cause it to be a garbage study. Second, including processed meat doesn’t exclude unprocessed meat.
And I have education access to these articles. So yes, I have read them.
But go on, keep banging your head against the wall to nitpick your way into justifying your own actions despite evidence of the harm associated with them. Anyways, you’re a typical internet dumbie. Not going to change your mind. You’re stuck. No matter the evidence, you will argue your stance so I don’t care. Not gonna bother with such stupidity. Believe the science or not, the data doesn’t lie.
Believe the science or not, the data doesn’t lie.
That's the problem, you haven't supplied any relevant data.
VERY keen to see your data which backs the claim that keto causes diabetes. It would be groundbreaking.
@blergmonkeys: Any kind of production has an impact on the environment, that was my point, and almost everything in our lives is an 'unnecessary' luxury that we could survive without.
You're just wilfully ignoring anything not related to meat. You think your new car just magically appeared from nowhere?
@trapper: As with everything, there are things that drastically impact things that we can effect change on, and things we cannot. Your argument that everything causes harm so therefore we can’t point at anything causing harm is just a lazy way out.
Why bother fighting petty theft when people are being murdered. Why bother curing cancer when people die of heart attacks.
Just such a willfully ignorant way to look at it.
@blergmonkeys: And so of course meat get categorised as 'people being murdered' while every other luxury (the ones you happen to like) gets downgraded to 'petty theft'?
Very objective.
@trapper: Nope just pointing out the insanity in your argument. Of course it doesn’t equate but the analogy is there. The harm from meat production is well documented: to the climate, to your health, to the ethics. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but it doesn’t change objective truth.
Any kind of production has an impact on the environment, that was my point, and almost everything in our lives is an 'unnecessary' luxury that we could survive without.
I can't fix everything so I shouldn't even try right
Eating meat is what enabled our ancestors to evolve intelligence.
If all our ancestors ate meat and therefore we should, why are some countries hugely vegetarian (e.g. India)? I doubt if killing animals for food was ever the first choice of humans.
No sorry, your wifes eating habbits do not influence mine.
Rabbits? Hobbits?
I don't eat rabbits, hobbits or the wife anymore as I'm reducing my carbon footprint and divorced.
Yeah. I'd stop eating rabbits too if I were divorced.
*wife's
Shameful display.
You correct the comment's lack of apostrophe but fail the fundamental task of any Grammar Nazi to correct his spelling of 'habits'.
Hand in your armband at the reception desk on the way out.
Yep our family have been eating less meat over the past couple of years mostly for environmental and economical reasons. We agreed that we'd never become vegetarians because we still enjoy our meat, so we're happy to just be 'meat reducers' aiming for one meat meal a week. This has also been great as it has meant we've been able to uncover more creative ways to cook with veggies!
Same here at home. Less meat but better cuts. Used eat quite a bit of free-range chicken and pork, but not much now. Have always loved my veggies, so no change there.
I’ve been eating more meat to do my part in offsetting the reduced meat eating of any greenies.
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Greenies have to agree with you on this poll because there's no way they can eat less than no meat.
I am just absolutely dumbfounded by such statements. Why is caring for the environment and, ultimately our ability to live on this planet, a bad thing? Why is ‘geeenies’ a derogatory term? Why are people burying their heads in the sand on this? The amazon is burning, most of Queensland’s forests are gone, climate change is ongoing. These are facts. Yet you think the one thing that you personally can do, eat less meat, which will have the biggest impact on all this, is somehow a bad thing and you will do it more to spite others that are trying to make a difference? At the least, do it for your children, prospective or otherwise.
I feel ya.
At this point I've accepted that you just "can't fix stupid".
Even on a sinking ship, they'll continue to be dumb as a bucket of nails…
Not a bad thing, but doesn't sound tasty.
ooga booga meat ha ha ha do u get it its a joke
Currently on a diet, so yes. Doing the fast 800 diet.
I haven't dieted my whole life but I'm a lot older now and am about 10kgs overweight and my body doesn't cope with it well.
Getting on a low calorie diet made me feel like death the first two days, but now I feel great and it seems to be fixing my gut issues (internal).
I love meat and probably won't give it up, but I really would like to try that fake meat stuff they're trialling in US fast food chains, like what is in the ultimate Whopper and the vegan KFC nuggets (not that that stuff is healthy, but I'm referring to consuming the "meat" they use).
You can get the fake meat in grill’d here. I have yet to try, but the verdict I have heard is it is much the same on a burger.
I actually tried one of those "Beyond Meat" burgers and it wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting. Better than a 'cheap' beefburger, not as good as a decent one… but not 'nasty'
Interestingly from a health perspective a lot of people are recommending you stay clear of the fake meat as it is heavily processed. So a save the animals but sacrificing yourself by doing so.
I must admit I like Michael Pollan's advice that if your grandmother wouldn't have recognised it as food, then avoid it.
In Shanghai about 15 years ago, I ate at a vegetarian restaurant that specialised in fake roast meats (pork, chicken, beef).
The 'meat' was delicious.
I have no idea what else was in the meal in terms of chemicals or whatever, for flavouring.
Oh yeah. Being vegetarian if you're Asian (Chinese) is actually really easy because there's a whole range of existing tofu/tofu-curd/tofu-related/etc foodstuffs already existing that's vegetarian.
It's all crazily unhealthy though. Additives aside, I swear it's almost 20% just sodium…
I don't mind eating Tofu based dishes everyday. My top 5 food ingredients!
@Taro Milk Tea: Its biggest weakness is also its biggest strength - it basically has no flavour, so you can turn it into anything.
Mock meats are made from veggie proteins. There is a washing(?? from memory it involves a lot water) process till only protein is left from protein rich veggies. This method exists before industrialization, however I am also unsure how modern lab tech changed the process of making mock meats cost effectively.
what you are referring to is basically wheat gluten (Seitan)
I had some meat flavoured things made with soya beans in Mexico many years ago. It tasted like the real thing. And it was cheaper too. It was sold as an alternative to cattle beef because that was expensive over there. The opposite is happening now, the fancy fake meats are more expensive than the real thing.
I agree that Chinese vegetarian meals of 'fake' meats are absolutely delicious. Nothing heavily processed, just very flavourful fried tofu and all things cooked in Chinese style. It's so different from Aussie's salad and greens only.
They have them in Coles. They’re pretty good. Just had a bbq with our neighbors and they were surprised at how good they were! Couldn’t tell the difference til we told them!
There are a few brands: alternative meat and beyond burger. We personally preferred the alternative meat company burgers. Check them out!
I'm glad you're eating less meat, OP. Well done!
I'm doing my part by supporting you.. small steps!
Heck no!
I ate less carbs lately, which leads to eat more meat. Also, with the recent protests from those vegan extremist, the only way to fight them back is to increase the consumption of meat.
Meat that!!!
I wonder if you just walk up to them tearing into a bloody steak, they might actually get up and run away….
Don't they chain themselves up or something? I'd love to munch a Grill'd burger in front of them when there's nothing they can do about it lol.
The 'meat police' having no problem smashing avocadoes, crushing potatoes and blitzing mangoes. Savages….
YEAH FKN. Cop that up ya gob. Fukn strooth mate. Haha MEAT
Go the next step, full carnivore here :P
yep. GF doesn't eat red meat and believes in 5 serves of vegetables a day. If she's willing to feed me, I'm happy to only eat red meat when i go out with my kids
Yep. So many good vegetarian and seafood dishes to make instead, as well as the fake meat products. I really like the Quorn range actually and would rather make a spag bol with their mince than real mince.
Same with me.
I buy the Vegie Delights Vegie Roast from Coles and roast it with veggies and it is delicious!
https://shop.coles.com.au/a/a-national/product/sanitarium-ve…
You should try the funky farms (I think that's what it's called?) Mince from woolies. It's a million times better than anything from Quorn. It tends to be in the fridge with the real meats.
That's the one! It's grouse
We went vegan initially but then wound back to mostly vegetarians.
I have meat maybe once a month and have noticed my bowls seem to operate overtime when I eat it.
You should use plates
I think I am eating more meat than before.
may be add another voting button for this.
I'm vegetarian, so yes. I hit all my nutritional goals with a healthy balanced plant based diet. I still have diary though.
I still have diary though
Dear diary, today i drank diary product
Name fits
totally didnt mean to say diary though lol
What’s “diary product”? Paper?
err…doh…..
@hey aj: Look at the weather outside aj..I'm currently sitting in my balcony with a cup of tea……Im in serenity mood..
Yes, because we have been using Hello Fresh for a few months now and they use less meat than I would when cooking.
But generally no, but I don't like chicken, but my body craves beef pretty much constantly (been to doctor, nothing wrong) so it's beef, beef and more beef for me.
I have tried to be vegetarian heaps of times, but doesn't work for me, I feel awful in about a week. That need for beef fixes it right up though.
Did they check your iron?
If you feel good with HelloFresh then stick with it! You describe beef as a craving. We crave sugar but that doesn’t mean we need it as much as we crave it.
We've cut down on the meat, just more fish and veggies. We'll have a steak/ribs on date nights (about once a fortnight/month) and the occasional lamb shank on the weekend
We've cut down on the meat, just more fish
And fish is not meat?….
cause…over fishing isn't a problem either
Studies have shown that the populace in England in WW2 were, actually, pretty healthy because rationing meant they were restricted in butter, eggs, meat, oil etc but they could grow their own veggies. Apparently, it was also a time when fish stocks went up considerably because of restricted fishing.
And eat them.
I once ate sashimi balls
where? in between hands or legs?
Enjoy divorce court if you ever get married !
are you that afraid to ask for more red meats?
If the choice is between castration and divorce court…
k…
Sago balls?
Yep, especially red meat, because of the cost, and for health reasons. When a good steak or rack of lamb is $30+ a kilo, forget it, I prefer seafood, or chicken, which I've always preferred to cheap, fatty cuts. I find these days I wander around the meat section in the supermarket and nothing really appeals. Again, price is a factor, but the less meat I eat, the more I realise I don't miss it. Vegetarian meals are becoming more regular on the dinner table, and though meat is still a staple, portions sizes are smaller. Feeling much better for it.
Cut 2.meat meals out a week. It’s just getting so expensive
We were vegetarian, then vegan, then back to vegetarian for close to a decade. Until one day, my wife woke up with an intense craving for a medium rare steak and we went back to eating meat. We later found out that she was pregnant with our youngest, who is anything but a vegan. He'll eat anything that moves and one of the first thing he ever said was "cheese, peeese".
To answer your question, the amount of meat I consume varies depending on who's cooking. My 12 year old daughter aspires to be vegan and has a knack for making vegetables taste flavoursome. The other night she made a vegetable briyani with lots of veggies including jackfruit and served it with homemade pickles and vegan raita. My toddler said it was the best "chicken-rice" he had ever eaten.There was no chicken in the dish.🙄 She also makes a mean ratatouille that tastes amazing on crostinis, with a little bit of goat cheese on top or served with pasta. When she cooks, no one complains about the lack of meat or fish protein.
When I cook, I usually make a colorful stir fry or vegeterian fried rice but I'll have to serve it with meat , prawns or fish on the side or there's a mutiny at the kitchen table.
When my wife's cooking, it's burned toast and peanut butter. So, she never cooks. She does the shopping and cleans up afterwards instead.
I grew up WASP in the ‘60s so it was, always, meat and three veg. Vegetables were boiled to their constituent parts, meat was well done and you could use your barbeque sausage as a writing stick. Multiculturalism now means that you don’t need a great whack of meat to have anything with flavour. Asian, Indian, African, etc. All foods that can be vegetable heavy and taste delicious. However, mum’s roast potatoes done in lamb fat were pretty good. It is easy now to make a small amount of meat go a long way.
True but you do have to put in the effort, I find. Ready-made sauces tend to taste meh.
Perhaps true, but still better than the Rice-a-Riso and weird green Keens curry sausages which where my mother’s attempts at exotic.
'I grew up WASP'
What's WASP?
White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
This sounds like where we are going, your daughter sounds like an awesome cook ! Hope mine goes the same way (she's only 7 so got a way to go).
I eat the same as before but now I gravitate to grass fed as much as I can.
Been on a big ribs kick lately to both beef and pork . Still playing around with making my own sugarless bbq sauce
My concern would be how well it caramelises when you grill.
Hasn't been great yet without the sugar. So still experimenting.
Plant based diets will get you lean af, going plant based and staying jacked is a fulltime job tho
Far more meat. For the past 18 months basically no carbohydrates except fibre in green leafy veggies & small amounts of berries. I eat more beef, heaps of eggs and fatty fish like salmon.
Haven’t felt better in my whole life. Last month I recorded my best ever cholesterol results with HDL very high (1.9), LDL in the normal range (3.4) for the first time in years and low triglycerides (0.9). Low LDL-p and damaging small dense LDL-3 to LDL-7 at ZERO, the lab took a while to process and re-process because the result is almost unheard of.
My cycling power cure is substantially higher across all durations, even sprints. I can ride for hours while fasted. Down 19kgs, I’ve stopped snoring really badly and I can’t remember the last time I struggled to get to sleep like I used to.
Maybe some people like eating veggies and bread, if that works for you then go for it, but I’m just feeling so alive. I’ve never appreciated meat more.
KETO POWER!
As someone who is experiencing Keto Flu at this moment in time, this comment has invigorated me!
Rips shirt in half for no reason
Hang in there, being in ketosis feels amazing once you are fully fat adapted!
More salt and higher protein initially can also easy sugar withdrawl (see what I did there?)!
Ha! Miserable isn’t it, I remember wanting to cry into my cheese covered bacon n eggs. But the rewards on the other side are worth it. Stay hydrated and get plenty of salt into you. Going in/out of ketosis is much easier when you’ve got the metabolic flexibility to change fuel sources, I just hate the feeling of being out of ketosis.
Yeah, Same here. Worst part is when you start a extended fast like three days but you realise that five days have passed you’re still not hungry but you know you really should eat something. It’s ridiculous the energy you get after a good meal, feel like I could cycle to Perth and back no problem. (About 100km)
congratulations man-
@trapper: Lol you’re the one stating ‘most’ studies and that was what I took issue with. And yes, I have read all of these. My specialty in general practice is nutrition.