Why Won't You Say Nup to The Cup?

afoveht on 31/10/2019 - 14:14
Last edited 31/10/2019 - 14:15

There's been plenty of mainstream coverage recently about the ugly stuff that goes on in horse racing and associated industries. This is as good as any place to look into it. There have for a long time been more comprehensive treatments like this but until it hits the telly no-one wants to believe it. (Both those links are from organisations that aren't driven by animal rights at all).

Imagine: Millionaires buy a horse, get trophies for their performance, then when the horse can't live up to their ever exceeding expectations they are popped off for a bullet, or whatever undignified death is cheapest. Break a leg? Get a bullet. Lose a few races race? Get a bullet. Millionaires - like our fave Gerry Harvey - that could easily sustain hundreds of horses if they saw them as anything but commodities and investments.

And that's aside from the fact that these horses are being bred purely to satisfy our whims for entertainment and are pushed hard their whole lives.

There are so many better things to get dressed up and pissed for on a Tuesday. Why would you partake in anything this vile industry offers?

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Comments

    • afoveht on 01/11/2019 - 14:41
      +2

      I eat meat because I enjoy the taste of meat. How can I judge people who derive enjoyment from animals in other ways?

      Logic 100%.
      Conscience 0%.

      Why not both?

      • This Guy on 02/11/2019 - 02:58
        +1

        Racehorse's often have a far better life than animals breed for consumption (male chicks…). I am not going to pretend to be moral in this when I can consume parts of three animals as just main ingredients in my daily meals.

        Most people are good, but people's beliefs and values vary. Belittling someone opposing me on the internet only strengthens their opposing belief and makes me look like a numb skull.

        • afoveht on 02/11/2019 - 07:43

          "Good people" can still do shitty things. "Bad people" can do non-shitty things.

          If you find anything above belittling that's your own value judgment. It's probably born of your own feelings of cognitive dissonance, which actually suggests that you do have a conscience that is being suppressed by your own behaviours. If you want to dig your heels in harder and "have an extra cheeseburger" just to piss someone else off, all the while denying your own deeper intellect, that's your own choice.

          • This Guy on 02/11/2019 - 22:04
            +3

            @afoveht: I will respond in two different ways. One will be confrontational, designed to cement your opinion, the other will have compassion to try to get you to understand my point:

            1st

            No. You are reading stuff I didn't write. And you are making unfounded personal attacks against me. Please bother to actually read what I wrote then reply.

            2nd

            "Good people" can still do shitty things. "Bad people" can do non-shitty things.

            We agree

            If you find anything above belittling that's your own value judgment

            You replied aggressively and argued against me, even though we agree, when I belittled you back. We really agree!!!

            It's probably born of your own feelings of cognitive dissonance

            Wow, I haven't had a psychologist friend for ages!!! As great as you people are, you always seem to hate dry humour…

            which actually suggests that you do have a conscience that is being suppressed by your own behaviours

            Huh, I read OP's rant and rewrote it into a concise, emotive argument for them. For free!!! On the internet!!!

            If you want to dig your heels in harder and "have an extra cheeseburger" just to piss someone else off

            Cheese burgers are gross. They make me vomit. Please don't make me eat a cheese burger thevofa.

            all the while denying your own deeper intellect

            I am a moron because I believe running around then breeding for 8 years is a better life than being crushed up alive in a grinder as soon as my gender is apparent? I eat chicken products. I really can't criticise an industry that provides a life like that for horses just because some bad actors mistreat horses at end of life and have earnt their industry heavy regulation to stop them.

            that's your own choice

            No, these are words you have put in my mouth silly!!!

            I lied, both my replies are belittling, but not for trying. I started off on the right track in the second response by demonstrating shared values, but I was too snarky in my tone. I will loose you when I call you a psychologist, because you seem intelligent and will understand that as an insult (no decent medical professional will make claims about a patent without significant exposure to a patient).

            My conductive paragraph about how poorly meat animals are treated could have been received well by you if I wasn't belittling elsewhere. You won't read that, or this, because you are too aggravated by my tone.

            ALL THIS PROVES MY POINT, that by using the wrong tone for an argument all you do is waste time alienating the people you wish to convert.

            An even bigger point is I managed to do all that without a personal attack against you :) I am sure you are a good person who believes what they believe!!!

            • afoveht on 02/11/2019 - 22:46
              -2

              @This Guy: I got about half way - tldr any further - perhaps start a new post about belittling or whatever it is you want to say if you want.

              • This Guy on 05/11/2019 - 19:11
                +2

                @afoveht: tl;dr: Critical deconstruction of your argument so you can convert people to your idea instead of alienating them (which can also be affect if you want to false flag, but it can be tougher to be effective).

                • afoveht on 09/11/2019 - 14:03

                  @This Guy:

                  so you can convert people to your idea

                  OK. Do what it takes (that thing I can't do properly) to convert yourself to live vegan. If you succeed let me know and I'll further follow your advice on how to advocate to others.

                  • This Guy on 24/11/2019 - 00:07

                    @afoveht: Most people after a few years in the work force learn how to persuade people so they can advance their career and keep their job while only doing the work they want to.

                    A good portion of this forum knows how to manipulate. Some are excellent, most are not.

                    I don't want to be vegan. It would be a burden on me at this time. But other people here may be on the fence.

                    If you consider other people's wants and needs, then tailor your message to their wants and needs, you can be extremely successful at making people realise that yes, they share your view and doing what you suggest will make their life significantly better.

                    Sorry for the delay in my reply. I have been busy.

    • crentist on 01/11/2019 - 20:13

      I eat meat because I enjoy the taste of meat. How can I judge people who derive enjoyment from animals in other ways?

      So anything goes?
      If I personally enjoy microwaving stray cats, you don't see any issue?
      Neat.

      • This Guy on 02/11/2019 - 02:39

        The issue with that is sexualising a non consenting entity. I would personally prefer you take out your sexual frustrations on consenting adults. But if you are cool forever being known as cat ######, that's your business.

        As disgusting as it is, your fetish is more humane than many factory farms, so yeah, dox yourself then go for broke.

        • crentist on 02/11/2019 - 03:12
          +2

          What's sexual about cooking a live cat in a microwave?
          Maybe we just do these things differently. You weirdo

          • This Guy on 05/11/2019 - 19:16

            @crentist: What kind of enjoyment do you get from microwaving cat's if not sexual?

            What compels that kind of cruelty? You know you can buy ex race horse's for a few hundred a piece?

            • crentist on 05/11/2019 - 19:58

              @This Guy: Gambling on the correct setting, then food?

              Which would then bring this hyperbole full circle around the gaping hole in your logic that whatever cruelty of other people racing horses for fun is A-OK just because you personally eat meat.

              • This Guy on 05/11/2019 - 20:23
                -1

                @crentist: No, my concern is you might act out on people. If it's just a gambling thing feel free to carry on./s

                Have you seen an industrial meat grinder? Live, baby animals are thrown into them if they are deemed to be of more financial value as pulp. This is a video of a similar machine, but used to shred steel drums. You don't want to see one with animals.

                Knowing that by buying eggs, supposedly a vegetarian product, I am supporting an industry that has actors that use these machines on male chicks, I can not logically be upset about the sunset treatment of a minority of race horses. Comparing the life of a race horse to almost any animal mass breed for consumption is morally bankrupt.

                You a literally comparing a life of slavery to an unloved, neglected elderly person who had a decent life. Yes, situations are bad, but one is magnitudes of orders worse.

                • crentist on 05/11/2019 - 22:00
                  -1

                  @This Guy:

                  Comparing the life of a race horse to almost any animal mass breed for consumption is morally bankrupt.

                  Sure, but that'd mainly be because they are two unrelated industries, operating entirely independent of each other, for entirely different reasons. The cruelty of one doesn't excuse the other.

                  You a literally comparing a life of slavery to an unloved, neglected elderly person who had a decent life.

                  You're the only one trying to make comparisons here.
                  The answer to "Is it okay if horses are treated poorly for our fun?" is not "Yes, because chickens are treated worse for our food."

                  That's just digging your heels in about about drawing single a line over animal cruelty, and applying it in any situation without flexibility to particular circumstances or the line itself. But I don't think you are as free of hypocrisy as you might think just because you refrain from complaining about lesser forms of animal cruelty than the worst one you accept. Because I don't think you are saying that any level of cruelty is good, and too much is bad, like going from eating 1 kitkat to a whole bag. Or even that you don't care about animals at all, because you sound unhappy about what happens to chickens (and yes I've seen those videos, horrific).

                  But instead, that because you accept one thing that is bad, then you will accept all things less bad, and would not want to see them improved from their current level of badness, even if there are vastly different circumstances between them.

                  • This Guy on 14/11/2019 - 17:54

                    @crentist: Nope.

                    Racehorse cruelty is rare. Most owners, trainers, vets and stable hands love horses, often earning poor pay to be around them. Bad actors are the minority. I am not watching the video's, but if there is animal cruelty, the operators should be charges with it and receive court orders against them owning animals. We already have systems in place to solve this issue.

                    Also, most of my reply's to you were tongue in cheek because you said you enjoy microwaving animals,

  • Bid Sniper on 01/11/2019 - 15:41
    +2

    Race cars not animals.

    Horse racing is stupid, its for bogan on centerlink payments.

    • HangryCakeStore on 01/11/2019 - 17:00
      +1

      Also the upper rich class majoritively white class that donate to these animal racing practices,
      the same class of people that probably crazy protest against the killing of whales and dogs for consumption, Because they are racially and hypocritically driven in my opinion

      • Bid Sniper on 01/11/2019 - 17:19
        +4

        Horse racing, where poor welfare and rich corperate welfare recipients meet.

        Trash all of them

  • whooah1979 on 01/11/2019 - 17:57

    Livestock and pets are property. We keep them to for fill our needs.

    • afoveht on 01/11/2019 - 18:21
      -1

      Not everything everyone that is treated as property should be. There is no natural law that determines what is property and what isn't - it's a human construct, to use or abuse as we will.

      • whooah1979 on 01/11/2019 - 18:39
        +2

        The common laws says that animal are property. Anyone that doesn’t agree with that may lobby their members to introduce bills to have it changed.

        • afoveht on 01/11/2019 - 20:51
          -1

          The common law 200 years ago said that various people were property. The law is a reflection of mob mentality, not necessarily a position on what is right or fair.

          lobby their members

          Indeed, but it begins with grass roots education / civil disobedience / campaigning to reach the people first.

      • trapper on 01/11/2019 - 19:47

        There is no natural law at all.

        • afoveht on 01/11/2019 - 20:55
          -2

          The laws of motion are some. The "law of the jungle" is another. There are plenty more. Most are immutable.

    • Zondor on 04/11/2019 - 17:26

      People would have said the same thing about people of color.

  • abuch47 on 01/11/2019 - 18:03

    gambling is a tax on the stupid.

    animal racing is extremely unethical.

    its also (profanity) boring as batshit and ruins lives.

    apprentice lost $20k on gambling in two years yet cant stop talking about the odds and wonders why I turned down a cox plate luncheon.

    people and industry need regulation.

    • ozbjunkie on 01/11/2019 - 18:45

      Tax on the stupid. I've heard it before, but I love it just as much each time.

    • Stopback on 04/11/2019 - 10:56

      tax on the stupid is great marketing by the gambling business, if it was taking advantage of innocent poor souls people would care more

  • SlickMick on 01/11/2019 - 18:10

    Can we just aim our outrage at the biggest issues first, and get to horse racing like never.

    • iTaco on 01/11/2019 - 19:09
      +1

      Soo true, people take up there pitchforks against things that are tiny in comparison to other problems we face globally.

    • RolandWaites on 01/11/2019 - 19:42
      +4

      What would you say are the biggest issues? Climate change? Income inequality? War? Corruption?

      People are protesting those. Right now. Just weeks ago the biggest climate protests ever dominated the news cycle literally for weeks. They're also protesting the horse racing industry as it's an objectively immoral institution.

      Arguments like "Why do they protest A when B is a much bigger issue" are devoid of any genuine intellectual input, and are especially redundant when those things are being protested in unison.

      • LFO on 01/11/2019 - 20:07

        That is the problem … those protesting A do so because, comparatively speaking, it is a minor issue.

        So, they are still doing nothing for A nor for B but they have a fuzzy feeling they ARE doing something.

        Remember those stupid emails circa 1990ish asking to send an email to Microsoft and they will donate XXX to YYY.
        Millions did send the email to Microsoft.
        None of those senders would ever sent a cent to YYY nor anyone else.

        It is just a feel good distraction with little or no effort.
        There is a limit how many campaigns a human could handle.

        • Sage on 03/11/2019 - 15:50

          So do you personally believe it's not worth supporting a cause unless you're also supporting every other cause under the sun?
          Do you not realise how moronic that logic is??
          I wouldn't consider aiming outrage at a small cause to be a problem.

          • LFO on 03/11/2019 - 20:05

            @Sage: Distractions. That is the problem.

            Outrage for the well being of little horsy, silence for important matters.
            There is a limit how many issues anyone can handle.

            Spreading thin IS moronic

    • Sage on 03/11/2019 - 15:47
      +1

      Yeah but doing your part against the Melbourne Cup can be as little as ignoring it's existence and not supporting it financially.
      Again more whataboutism in this thread. You people…

      • SlickMick on 04/11/2019 - 11:53
        +1

        I would just say pick your fights. You can only take on so much - if this is the most important issue in your life, then go for it.

        Personally, I don't have any relatives who have been abused my the racing industry or any other reason to elevate it to "most worthy of being fought for".

        If you do, go for it. But I don't even know you, so don't expect me to support you.

        • abuch47 on 04/11/2019 - 15:51

          societal change doesnt happen by a few loud proponents it happens because the majority supports it. ignorance is bliss until you are alerted about the issues. then you can choose to spread the word and more or fight back against aka conservatism.

  • AliensStoleMyMoney on 01/11/2019 - 18:19

    I feel like most people who would go against banning this cup will do it to keep the day off from work and not cause they truly care

    • belongsinforums on 03/11/2019 - 10:45

      its not a holiday in most places in australia. did you know that?

  • ozbjunkie on 01/11/2019 - 18:44
    +1

    I think that few people actually care about horse racing. They just want an excuse to get drunk, post some Instagram pics, brag over the water cooler at work.

    It's basically an event for stupid people and the easily entertained.

    You're not going to convince those people of anything with rational arguments or appeals to morality.

    And this is coming from someone who doesn't particularly care about horses - I'll eat horse meat, but whipping them and making them run in circles is just dumb.

  • serpserpserp on 01/11/2019 - 19:46

    What's up in the cup, who's up in the cup, youse up in the cup…

  • LFO on 01/11/2019 - 19:58
    -2

    The most ironic and unsettling of all these campaigns is that they care far more for the animal of their choice than for a homeless human.

    Sad really.

    • infinite on 01/11/2019 - 23:38

      That's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's sad about these people.

    • Sage on 03/11/2019 - 15:45
      +1

      I'm sure if homeless people were being treated the way these horses are there would be plenty of uproar.
      Really not comparable. Look up whataboutism, it's a stupid response to an argument.

      • LFO on 03/11/2019 - 20:08

        Rubbish.
        Use common sense not a book of fancy words.

      • infinite on 04/11/2019 - 18:21

        Horses aren't people though, their property, food & ingredients for glue.

  • BartholemewH on 01/11/2019 - 22:04
    +2

    I reckon give the horses a break and replace the event with a televised deathmatch for convicted murderers and rapists. Reduces incarceration costs, provides entertainment, can be wagered upon if that's your thing, everyone can still get pissed. Sounds like a surefire winner.

    • TEER3X on 02/11/2019 - 12:09

      What do you think the Coliseum was used for?

      • [Deactivated] on 02/11/2019 - 12:11
        +1

        The purpose is to confuse people with the Colosseum in Rome, just to be tricky.

        • TEER3X on 03/11/2019 - 18:35

          Not sure what you mean? Definitely have me confused lol.

          • LFO on 03/11/2019 - 20:10
            +1

            @TEER3X: Gee… clearly the Romans did it. The Colostrum in Rome is just a fake.

            • TEER3X on 03/11/2019 - 22:17

              @LFO: Now I'm really scratching my head.

              • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2019 - 12:31

                @TEER3X: Your Corpus Callosom?

                • LFO on 04/11/2019 - 19:32

                  @[Deactivated]: Close but nope … it is the Cranium in Rome …

  • infinite on 01/11/2019 - 23:37

    Entitled whiny crybaby rants like the one OP is currently on only makes me hungrier for my next serve of horse meat.

    Maybe OP could donate some of those crocodile tears so I can salt & season my next serving.

  • DiscoJango on 02/11/2019 - 08:22
    +2

    The melbourne cup: a bunch of dressed up, shit faced bogans acting like fools. Nothing classy about it at all.

    • LFO on 03/11/2019 - 20:13

      How dare insulting the horses!!!
      None is dressed up. Ever!
      Racing in circles is a bit of a fool thing thou …

    • infinite on 04/11/2019 - 18:23

      It's not classy at all, but it is a fun day out. The fact that it now triggers basement dwellers on the internet just makes it an even more fun day out.

      • DiscoJango on 04/11/2019 - 20:37

        Not a basement dweller, just older now. Going out and spending a day shitfaced with randoms would have been appealing 10 years ago, not so much now. (Pizza and netflix are much more appealing now fyi).

  • ruddiger7 on 02/11/2019 - 10:38
    +1

    Greyhound racing is worse. Horses are an investment and because of that most aren't looked after that poorly. Dogs on the other hand are cheaper and more expendable. They made the decision to ban it in NSW a couple of years ago and then backflipped on the decision because a bunch of bogans got mad. Things haven't changed, heaps of dogs are still dying and treated poorly, baiting still continues and another racing track approved in QLD receiving 60 million in funding.

  • MessyG on 02/11/2019 - 11:33
    +9

    Look I have outrage fatigue these days. And since I have burned out all of my outrage, I've taken to listening to the people who are actually involved in these things, instead of running around in circles in our heads on the Internet. I had a long conversation with a colleague who is from a country area known for racing and here's what I took away from it.

    The problem with racing, and this isn't just the Cup, is that it's the lifeline of many regional communities. You take away racing and their whole community social calendar is gone - and that's absolutely all they have. There are so many underserviced communities in Australia who suffer from a lack of the things we take for granted in the cities, and imagine what they must think when they read this? Inner city people with hundreds of options telling them to end their livelihood and their community life and then calling them horrible names for not agreeing, without providing any sort of alternative or support to the regional areas these horses come from. So yes, horseracing is cruel, thoroughbreds are crazy - but you can't just stop it without supporting the people whose lives it will completely upend.

    And you can apply this to any protest-flavour-of-the-moment - farming, climate change, whatever. Until people are willing to support regional and rural Australia, by god forbid, moving and working there, I really don't think any of the things they are protesting is going to change. Shaming and boycotting wont win hearts - getting into rural and regional Australia and setting up alternatives will.

    • LFO on 03/11/2019 - 20:15
      +4

      +100 !!!!

      As an example, the Birdsville Race brings life to people otherwise sinking in problems and loneliness.

      • sli on 03/11/2019 - 22:36

        How much life do these races bring to the punters pocketses though? Those sinking into problems and loneliness will likely be left in worse shape when they realise how much money people waste trying to get rich quick without a thought for the poorer people in society.

        • LFO on 04/11/2019 - 19:27

          Very very little I imagine.
          People gather in those far away towns for the social event not the gambling one. Drinking and socializing yes. Betting? Mmmm

          Those farmers living in Timbuktu, with no Internet, perhaps some phone reception, busy 23 hours a day, short of cash and full of debt, don't gamble much.

        • MessyG on 04/11/2019 - 21:04
          +1

          It's about so much more than money in regional communities. So much more. The betting is the few minutes at the end. It's not about gambling to these communities.

    • DiscoJango on 03/11/2019 - 21:53

      I wouldnt mind moving to a rural or regional area, i just need a fast internet connection and the same higher salaries a city can offer.

      • MessyG on 04/11/2019 - 21:03

        And that's pretty much the problem in a nutshell. No one willing to start it up out there and take those risks.

  • [Deactivated] on 02/11/2019 - 12:00

    A lot of things in existence don't make sense.
    A lot of things that are legal are immoral and a lot of things that are illegal have no reason to be illegal.
    Look at the whole of society, its all so confusing how people don't get along, don't try to reach points of understanding and just want to fight, argue and be violent.

    Ego and narcissistic tendencies are the cause of most of this entropy and a lot of people don't look at the bigger picture of life and existence on a whole, just themselves, which is how they justify things Ecocide, dehumanisation of people suffering substance abuse, using living things for our entertainment, cock and dog fighting is illegal, but racing horses then killing them after isn't.

    There's no sane, logical justification for any of this, we seem to keep thinking we aren't nature and that we aren't one with universe or and each other when in reality that is all that is truth.

  • dufflover on 02/11/2019 - 12:22
    +1

    I just find the attitude of the industry who market themselves as an honest, "classy" sport, to be doing things that no other sport would do:
    - any popular televised sport whose athletes died at the rate of horses would've been banned by now
    - think of the outrage of breeding masses of humans to find the next money making champion and treating the "rejects" like they do here
    - for a sport where there are literally millions if not billions of dollars thrown around, they can't afford to put aside money for the horses "retirement"

    I'm realistic in that the industry and occasion is here to stay. I just find it laughable how they try and convince people they treat the horses like respected athletes (maybe only the top bunch…)

    • ozhunter on 02/11/2019 - 12:45
      -1

      Society doesn't see animals equivalent to humans. It's why we eat animals all over the world.

      • dufflover on 02/11/2019 - 13:04
        +1

        Then tell ya mates in the industry to stop saying they are equals/respected athletes in their sport. I'm not the one saying they are equals, they are. And even then it's not about the basic idea of farming/eating animals like a typical vegan debate.

        Ironically enough as usual you can trust The Simpsons to tell it how it is…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4EV11JRIZA

  • mitt on 02/11/2019 - 13:24

    For anyone that thinks along the same lines as the OP:

    Your insufferable sneering makes partaking in the things you object to more attractive, not less. Nobody cares about your unsolicited opinions. I have never participated in the Melbourne Cup in any way but I think I will have a punt this year in OP's name.

    Let people enjoy things.

    • Baysew on 02/11/2019 - 13:54
      +2

      Perhaps Vow And Declare would be a suitable horse.

      • NotAMoodle on 07/11/2019 - 09:44

        This aged well!

    • greater mimic on 02/11/2019 - 20:13
      +2

      Doing things just to "annoy" others is pretty petty though. Reminds me of the "own the libs" sentiment

    • MessyG on 04/11/2019 - 21:05
      -1

      Just as unhelpful as shaming really isn't it. Until we find ways to be a bit more mature and constructive toward each other, society will just keep disintegrating.

  • altitudinous on 02/11/2019 - 13:43
    +2

    Ooh, this is a really easy question to answer.

    Why Won't You Say Nup to The Cup? Why would you partake in anything this vile industry offers?

    Because not everyone agrees with you on the importance of this issue or has the same opinion as you.

    This week the preliminary findings of the Royal Commission into Aged Care came out. It said that human beings are being treated the same way as these horses when they get old and beyond their useful life.

    This will very very likely happen to you. You personally will be treated the same as these horses.

    I personally care more about this issue.

    • afoveht on 02/11/2019 - 14:44

      You can't care for more than one thing at once?

      What personal expense will you incur to have concern for racehorses? How will this affect your capability to be concerned for aged care?

      Do you realize that not everyone agrees with you on the importance of this issue aged care or has the same opinion as you? Is this reason for others to remain unconcerned and for you not to talk about it, like you just did?

      Really, what is your point?

      • altitudinous on 02/11/2019 - 15:34
        +4

        OP asked a question.

        I answered it.

        It is only my opinion and shouldn't matter to anyone else, just like the first post is OP's opinion and shouldn't matter to anyone else.

        Yes, I can care about more than one thing at once. I find it pretty bizarre that the OP cares more about the horses than humans. I care about the horse issue but it is way down the list.

        Why do you think I am suppressing other peoples opinions? DISAGREEING WITH SOMEONE IS NOT SUPPRESSING THEIR OPINION.

        IF YOU EXPECT EVERYONE TO SAY THEY AGREE WITH AN OPINION YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. Please go and live in a communist society.

        What is my point? Please refer to my first post.

        • afoveht on 02/11/2019 - 18:26

          I find it pretty bizarre that the OP cares more about the horses than humans.

          I am the OP. I'm not sure where I ever said I care more about horses than humans - care to show me?

  • gviddy on 02/11/2019 - 14:35
    +1

    I won't say no because fresh horse lasagne straight after a race is some of the leanest meat you will find! Tastes great!

  • brendanm on 02/11/2019 - 15:00
    +1

    I don't partake in it. Gambling is moronic, horse racing is moronic and cruel. Is say jul to the cup every year, and always have.

  • Vote for Pedro on 02/11/2019 - 15:17
    +1

    Let’s be honest, we all know that dodgy practices happen in racing, that’s why there was a push to ban greyhound racing. They can put all the marketing fluff they want portraying themselves as caring but the reality has been exposed time and time again.

    They should either be held to the standards they claim to espouse or they should just be honest with the public. They shouldn’t be allowed to have it both ways.

  • abuch47 on 02/11/2019 - 18:36
    -1

    Farkcup.com

    So many regressives on this site that would prefer us unlearn the wheel.

    (profanity) murdoch et al for brainwashing you. Listen to the peer reviewed science of the world

  • Eeples on 02/11/2019 - 19:29
    +3

    I used to be indifferent; but I am becoming intolerant.

    It's a money spinner, too many vested interests…. the 'industy' is unlikely to change soon.

  • [Deactivated] on 02/11/2019 - 21:54
    +2

    The Melbourne Cup, an honest government ad

    https://youtu.be/bDsbWoWPn9U

  • Davo1111 on 03/11/2019 - 01:34

    If you don't want to get shitfaced and dress slutty then don't???

  • gviddy on 03/11/2019 - 05:00
    +1

    MMMmmmmm horse lasagne… So much more tasty than cow lasagne….

  • Sage on 03/11/2019 - 15:38
    +1

    I am though.
    I'm saying nup to the cup. Those poor horses.
    Maybe add a poll to the post so we can easily track who disagrees with the Melbourne Cup.

  • capslock janitor on 03/11/2019 - 16:06
    +1

    There should be a trend of people giving the Horsies the good life after.

  • robertorodrehgo on 03/11/2019 - 17:29
    +2

    If I want to buy something I don't need, I like to have a punt on something and if I win I buy what I want and if I don't, well it was never meant to be.

    On derby Day I backed a couple of winners with my first 2 bets of the day, netted just over $400 and bought myself a second hand PS4 pro and the new call of duty.

    Need a new air con so let's see how Tuesday pans out.

    • TEER3X on 03/11/2019 - 22:21
      +1

      You could've bought 100 PS4 pros with all the money you've lost punting… That is of course, if you count losses, but good luck nonetheless.

      • robertorodrehgo on 04/11/2019 - 07:27
        +2

        I'm not a big punter and I'm not one to go chasing losses. In saying that, if you can read a form guide it makes your guesses a little safer.

        My theory is know how much you want to win and only bet what your prepared to loose. It's not like I'm punting a house deposit to try move from Melton to Toorak, I'm turning $40 into a PS4 and hopefully tomorrow $100 into an aircon.

        • TEER3X on 04/11/2019 - 19:12

          Fair enough, good luck.

          Reading is for plebs though, I just get my tips from the experts and punt on those horses. They win sometimes.

  • nikey2k27 on 03/11/2019 - 19:01

    I say yes i look forward to cup each PC police

  • 2ndeffort on 04/11/2019 - 00:21
    +1

    I've no interest in Melbourne Cup because …… I'm not interested in high fashion or punting or giving my money away to betting agencies. Nothing to do with animal activism just a general lack of interest in racing in general. I'll happily eat a burger whilst watching whatever is on the other TV channel at the time.

  • seanj on 04/11/2019 - 00:42

    This is Ozbargain.

    A forum for mostly middle aged men. This is not exactly a place for compassion or civility.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2019 - 11:21

      Do you rank your passive aggression more highly in civility quotient than you judge average OzBargain members?

    • 2ndeffort on 04/11/2019 - 17:20
      +1

      or activism or 'woke-ness' or politics or changing the world. Perhaps civility might involve keeping your progressive ideals and political manifesto to yourself? Particularly on a forum best known for saving .15c on a pack of noodles or some eneloop batteries. Just saying.

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