my sister needs a new macbook for school, said school requires macbook nothing else. i looked at the specs https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air/space-grey…, 2 core 1.6ghz, 128ssd, 13'3 1600p monitor, 8gb 2133 ram, and $1699? i dont know the exact price of the components but i think this is worth $600 at max, $1699 and a 2 core 1.6ghz boost 3.6ghz, is this meant to be a joke? how did apple manage to get schools to require their rip off junk? told her i can build her a 4k beast for that price but she said macbook only because school requires it (which will play 720p @ 10-20fps, and modern games wont even run on 2 cores), what the phuck seriously how did they get schools to require it.
How Does Apple Get Away with The MacBook?
Gerry H on 19/11/2019 - 16:43
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Different use cases. iPads are great for consuming content but terrible and non-graphical content creation.
Schools never recommend tablets, they will usually specifically not recommend them.Any device with a dedicated keyboard, eg: Chromebook, Laptop, beats a tablet hands down. Even when you add a dedicated keyboard, the applications are not the same.
ie: Office on iOS is completely different to OSX and Windows (exception if you use the online crap in a web browser, then it's about all the same).
Just buy a second hand macbook pro - anything from 2011 onwards with an i5 or i7 will work just as well as a current model for schoolwork and any other standard stuff like watching youtube/emails/facebooking/etc
Shouldn't need to spend more than $500, maybe even as little as $300. Check out cash converters online or gumtree/facebook marketplace.
This would be more than adequate: https://www.cashconverters.com.au/shop/phones-cameras-comput…
My 2012 i7 with 16gb RAM and 750GB SSD was $650 second hand two years ago.
It won't play modern games, but is otherwise fine for all usual tasks. It runs latest MacOS and performs fine. I shudder to think what it would have cost new.Yep i am running essentially the same, 2012 15" MacBook Pro i7 16GB RAM & 1TB SSD.
The last of the user friendly upgradeable/repairable models they made, i'll be sticking with it for the forseeable future, imagine it will still be just fine in 5+ years time, these were pretty much top spec laptops back in their day, original price was around ~$3000 :O
I'm still using a "Mid 2011" Macbook Air.
After 7 years of daily use, the paint is wearing off the keys,
and there any many dings from the 20ish times I have dropped it,
but apart from replacing the battery a few years back, it just keeps keeping on!!They are great machines. My mid 2012 just retired the other day. Sold it for a third of my initial purchase price. Insane. Most other laptops are junk after 4 years.
Surely can get a pre-owned one? Doesn't have to be brand new, so you can save some money that way.
Intangibles.
Just like the price of drugs include a massive component for R&D over and above the actual cost to make, Apple products (and I'm typing this from a Pixel) have a large component comprising what Apple has invested into their ecosystem, including compatibility (it just works), industrial design (rounded corners lol), and homogeneity (every system can be administered and managed pretty much identically unlike windows machines).
It's actually their marketing costs that eat the lionshare. Similar with the Beats craze of years gone by. However yes there is more than component costs and they do sometimes let their followers know this.
Every tried apple support? That isn't free.
I’ve never understood the Genius Bar and the pricing. Everything should cost something but even out of warranty, I’ve never had to pay anything and my parents have definitely used the services more than they probably were legally entitled to (much to my benefit of not being tech support).
@jace88: Me neither. Our 2011 Macbook Pro was out of waranty for a year or two, but when the logic board crapped itself, Apple replaced it free of charge
told her i can build her a 4k beast for that price
Lol okay, pointless comparison between a premium ultraportable laptop vs gaming PC.
Have you looked at other Windows ultrabooks? Dell XPS 13" in comparable config will cost about the same. Ditto with Lenovo Yoga C940.
Right, because $500 Chromebooks and MSIs all get hi-res displays, slim form factor, unibody aluminium, etc.
1600p is "hi res"
For that form factor, >2K is considered hi-res, when most budget laptops are FHD or 1200.
oh and unibody aluminium slim form factor im SO impressed
Yes, because build quality is of zero importance has no impact on manufacturing cost /s
the thing about non apple laptops is they go on massive sales sometimes 50%-60%
If you're comparing like-for-like, then look at comparable models to the Macbook, i.e. Dell XPS, Lenovo Yoga, or HP Spectre series which do NOT get 50-60% off. A simple search of past deals isn't that difficult. Periodic Dell sales = 15% off +/- cashback or code, or Dell AU eBay 20% off.
no apple product is on sale for more than 10% off launch price.
You can literally get 10% off right now without haggling, waiting, or codes via education pricing which your sister would qualify for. A quick search of Macbook deals would also debunk this theory.
I hear a lot of whining about Apple pricing but you're not offering any credible alternatives, only bleeting about how you can build a gaming PC for $1600. No kidding. Can't wait for your next comparison between Hilux and an Lexus.
@SydStrand: Why doesn't Garry reply to any of your points?! I'm so surprised an Apple hater shill can't fess up to their blind hatred. /s
@ThithLord: Wooosh, hit a soft spot with that gerry/garry switcheroo.
Should have ended the sentence with Champ to top it off xD
@SydStrand: m8 not even gonna bother with ur crap. seen plenty of ozb deals of non apple laptops dell microsoft go on massive sales, its u who needs to do the simple search. and what has haggle got to do with this? do other items i mentioned require haggling? my point was they never go on sale for more than 10%, EVER
and to the other guy who accused me of being an apple hater, wat irony. bunch of isheep get butt hurt i'm dissing their precious ijunk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCwBkNgPZFQ. i couldnt care less how much apple milk off u isheeps, problem is when they use dirty marketing tactics to force schools to use their junk and my family gets milked. and by junk i really mean JUNK, iphone certainly isnt junk its actually top notch, but entry level macbook are absolute worthless junk and the non junk macbooks cost a kidney.
@Gerry H: weird, you rant about the macbooks being a scam based on specs, but not the iphone.
i have both and i think the phone is a much bigger scam. both are terrible deals compared to a solid windows pc and android based on specsbut whatever benefit you think there is about the iphone user experience over android applies to macbooks too. i happen to think the osx experience is more of a step up than the iphone experience.
general tasks just feel more enjoyable, theres a sense that things are a bit more streamlined and simplified on osx, especially with their silky smooth touchpads, and things dont go badly wrong as often (this one is good if you are the family IT support, my mum hasn't had to ask me for help in years)but it's also similarly limiting in similar ways too. streamlined means things run better on lower hardware, but you lose some flexibility and gaming ability
doubt your sister gives nearly as much of a crap about that as you do though
@Gerry H: Dude, proceed to build a 4k gaming beast and tape it on your sister's back so she can carry it to school. Problem solved.
Part of me thinking you are buying it for you, rather than for her. Keep your standard of a powerful gaming machine to your self. Your average user sister wants none of it.
@Gerry H: What are these 'dirty marketing tactics' you keep bringing up?
You realise Apple doesn't have any say in what the school chooses for their students to use right, that's a decision made by the leadership team of the school, usually with input from the IT Team on what is easiest for them to support & what is within their budget to support. Yes, even big private schools have budgets they have to adhere to because they don't receive as much government funding as the public schools, more IT Staff to support 50 different types of computers = a lot more money out of their budget.
In fact, you would be quite surprised to learn that the school probably has had no dealing with Apple at all, they would be basing this decision on what they have been using in the past, the ease of management of them, the ease of getting those devices repaired & their failure rate.
But I don't think you actually care about why they have made this choice, I think you just resent the cost & the sheeple as you keep claiming.
I disagree. Something like this would be much faster and costs less: https://www.amazon.com.au/ASUS-UX391UA-XB71-R-Ultra-Thin-13-…
That Asus model is a similar size/weight, packs a Core i7-8550U which will demolish the MacBook Air's Core i5-8210Y and has double the internal storage.
Even a more "expensive" or "premium" model like the Surface Laptop 3 is available in a faster configuration from a physical store like JB for the same price https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/microsoft-surface-laptop-…
The MacBook Air's use of a very slow Y-series processor makes it quite easy to beat on performance in the same price category
Again, I'm not claiming Apple is better value than Windows, because it's… it's Apple; but those laptops you've linked cost $1594 and $1699, which is right near the $1600 figure the OP is absolutely losing his mind over.
Macbooks will never top spec: cost ratio because there's the Apple premium, it's also halfway through an annual cycle (vs the just-refreshed Surface Laptop with Ice Lake), etc. But is it in the ballpark of comparable Windows devices? Yes. OP comparing them to a gaming rig, then going on a bizarre tirade, is ridiculous.
The comparison to gaming rigs is stupid I agree. No one is buying a gaming PC over an ultraportable laptop, they're completely different.
All I was saying is you can get much faster Windows machines for the same price. Even something like an XPS 13 with a quad-core will be much faster than any dual-core Apple system. Dual-cores are slow these days. So I disagree they are "comparable configs"
Alternatively you could buy a dual-core Windows machine for much less.
If the Air had a proper quad-core in it, the discussion would be very different. The 8550U is 30-40% faster than Intel's dual cores and that's even without factoring in the 15W vs 7W power difference. The price you pay for a slim (but not outstandingly slim) Apple system I guess.
That said I don't think the Air is worth $600 either. It's much better than that
That's a joke right?
The Asus only has a Full HD screen, and the i7 processor is only about 5% faster than the i5 in the base air. So when you add the overhead of windows on top, there will be a tremendous real-world difference without the build quality, support or benefits of OSX.Putting that aside, who the heck would spend that much money on a Full HD screen!!
shh.. the keyboard is pretty ordinary on this model Asus.
The quad-core Core i7 is only 5% faster than the dual-core low-power Core i5 in the Air? I don't think so
This likely includes Applecare + for 3 years (standard for schools), and maybe software & technical support so isn’t such a bad deal
The arrogance of many schools is becoming unbearable in my opinion
And some schools require a PC laptop. by having a standard the school saves on support issues.
Also PC's have more games, and the schools dont like these.
Still thats the way it is. My kids Schools required PC Laptops, and we were always having it repaired and viruses needed to be removed.
Also we had to pay for support and a repair program, so the net cost wasn't the simple, go out to your harvey norman store and buy on special.
"having it repaired and viruses needed to be removed"
thats definitely ur kids problem. its ur fault hes visiting naughty sites and downloading hacks for his games. pc never needs to be repaired in the hands of a disciplined kid.
You are lucky to have a sis, she doesn't need to hunt for those. She will get tons of better quality pics made from new iphone 11Xr with wide angle lens.
i think this is worth $600 at max, $1699
You're looking at the sticker price, which is the wrong thing to look at. You should look at the total cost of ownership (TCO). Apple stuff holds its value pretty well and if it's in good condition in a few years, you can probably sell it for 1k.
I'm also surprised the school didn't give you the "Apple for education" link, which should get you about 10% off. JB Hifi/HarveyNorman has 10% off Mac regularly too and you can stack it with gift cards at 5-10% off. This should help bring down the TCO.
Yeah, Apple might still cost you more than a generic, but that's just the 'luxury' factor of owning apple stuff, but I'm guessing the TCO for the macbook air will be low enough for you not to worry about a hackintosh set up.
The arrogance of many schools is becoming unbearable in my opinion
I wouldn't call it arrogance. Unless you're teaching an IT course, where all the staff and students are reasonably proficient with computers, it's really hard to support multiple PC configurations AND achieve the desired learning outcomes.
TCO is probably cheaper on a Mac.
TCO is probably cheaper on a Mac.
Hard to make a blanket statement like that. What are you comparing it to?
This is quickly dissolving into a Windows vs Mac debate which isn't the point.
Simple fact is your sister's school has requirements that "ALL" student use a Mac. So either OP plans on getting your parents to move her to another school, and the parents have to research which school uses Windows instead to satisfy the OP requirement….. oh hang on…. so the OP is asking to change the sister's school or change the entire IT dept in the sister's school ??? Else pretty moot point here discussing that at all. Focus should be on how to allow your sister to meet the school's requirements and actively participate with her class and friends.
If the sister is okay…. and the parents can afford it…. all that is left is to look for the best way to get a deal to meet those requirements. If a brand new macbook pro is too expensive and the family can't afford it…. buy a 2nd hand unit. 2nd hand Macs are pretty good too at a lower price point.
This is quickly dissolving into a Windows vs Mac debate which isn't the point.
It shouldn't even be that. If you looked at the price of premium Windows ultrabooks, they're comparable to the Macbook. Except the OP is stupidly comparing a laptop to a self-built gaming PC, and is shocked (shocked!) that it can't play games in 4K.
Exactly, the surface laptop 15” with i7 16/512GB is $3600 and the new MacBook Pro 16” of same spec (more or less) is $3800. Not much different IMHO. Mac also has more ports, faster ssd, better screen, higher res, much bigger battery, Touch Bar.
Lots of developers get MacBooks because MacOS provides an UNIX environment (remember Linux is only UNIX-like) and you also have native MS Office and Adobe Photoshop, etc.
When you look at the specs, sure yea it looks way over priced. But the MacBook is more comparable to Ultrabooks. It's thinner, lighter and more portable than just a "Laptop". Compare the price between an ultrabook and a MacBook, it's quite competitive. It goes beyond just specs. It's a quality piece of equipment.
Try bring that 4k beast to school lol.
Ps. Not an apple fanboy. Ive got a Samsung Note 10, i9 Macbookpro and a HP Elitebook. I buy what's fit for purpose at the time.
TCO will be lower over the life of an Apple product. Apple will repair an out of warranty product and return it to as new if your child drops/cracks the screen etc. Apple will replace any parts such as the keyboard that get damaged by spills etc. At home we have multiple Mac products and they all work perfectly well. My partner still uses at 2008 MacBook Pro for daily internet and word processing and it’s quicker than her cheaper Pc laptop from a couple of years ago. If you look after a Mac product then you can expect about 10 years of good continuous use. This is what you pay for. I don’t see many people using 10 year old PC laptops but plenty of old MacBooks still kicking along. The Apple laptop comes with office productivity software in that price as well as future software upgrades. As others have mentioned you can sell it later. If your purchase is for a young child then I would look for a second hand or refurbished MacBook from a couple of years ago for about $1000 and aim to get 5 more years out of it. Just get one with an SSD so that it’s quick to operate. Apple software and hardware works pretty much flawlessly together. You don’t get that with Windows products because Microsoft has to support such a wide variety of hardware devices. Yes you can build a $600 hakintosh but where will it be in 5 or 10 years?
my parents and me never needed any laptop to be repaired due to our fault, one failed due to hardware issues and its not because we had virus or through careless use. ur argument about support isn't valid since its rarely used unless the person is extremely undisciplined, about warranty for manufacturing faults i havent checked so if apple offers longer warranty i guess that's something. i dont know about 2008 macbook pro, but if u think the entry level 2019 can be used for more than 2 years with its 2 core snail u really need to learn more about pcs and how fast pc software are developing. lol 10 years…
@Gerry H
my parents and me never needed any laptop to be repaired due to our fault,
ur argument about support isn't valid since its rarely used unless the person is extremely undisciplinedYou keep saying this. About how wonderful and disciplined you were as a child. About how a 'good' child won't abuse a computer, introduce viruses, etc.
And yes, I'm sure you were just a paragon of juvenile virtue.
Sadly, not every small human is quite as perfect as you were/are. Things happen. Computers get sat on. Dropped. Left in the sun. In the rain. On the bus. Big brothers download naughty pictures. 'Innocent' shopping sites lead to endless tailored ads. Blah, blah, blah.
if u think the entry level 2019 can be used for more than 2 years with its 2 core snail u really need to learn more about pcs
So, exactly what will a primary school child be doing to overly tax a Core i5? Real time 4k video editing? Compiling million-line applications? Rendering complex 3D models?
Like many other respondents in this thread I am an IT professional. And like most of them, I work mainly with PC/Windows-based equipment. And also like them, I understand the desire the schoool may have for 'standardising' its student computer systems, as well as the added value that Apple represents as opposed to a multitude of differingly-specced and capable Windows devices.
It seems that your main beef here is ideological more than technological. And all our common sense and annoying facts won't be able to sway you.
yea so i guess my real problem is that apple has taken over the education system, and the IT head most likely gets commission from forcing students to buy. sure mac support is good for some people, but the mac is being FORCED on my sister who will never use the support. its not ideological, its principle. i certainly will be conditioning her to never buy apple products for the rest of her life (she listens to me like a disciple just lol).
@Gerry H: @Gerry H
its not ideological, its principle.
You may assert this when confronted with criticism, but your words speak volumes:
i couldnt care less how much apple milk off u isheeps
they use dirty marketing tactics
entry level macbook are absolute worthless junk
they somehow social engineered schools to demand their products
one apple a day keeps the money away
spoken like a true isheep
cant come up with real innovation
i dont care about what apple sells, it's that they've so taken over the school system
maybe are paying commission to the school authorities@Roman Sandstorm: Complains about people buying Apple being sheep, then goes on to use words like "condition her" and "she is like a disciple." I would be so embarrassed to have a big brother like this guy.
meh, i just upgraded from a first gen i3 from 2010 which i was pretty content with. got it with a case and a bit of ram for $40 a couple of years ago, spent another $40 on a video card and it's been my gaming pc for 2 years.
recently spent $1000 on a new gaming laptop (3750+1650) and can barely tell the difference until i fire up a demanding game from the last few years, where the extra power makes any difference. wouldn't have wasted the money upgrading if i didnt specifically want a portable gaming machine.
and still wouldnt bet on it outliving my already 3 year old macbook, physically or in usefulness for intended function.
Yep. Apple TCO is less.
https://www.endpointprotector.com/blog/why-macs-have-a-lower…
That’s the simple reason why schools chose them.
After their tenure they also have value, unlike PCs.
Yes, nice things cost more than other things. What else surprises you?
They are excellent quality and have an excellent ecosystem. Worth it in my view. They will last years longer than a cheaper Windows laptop and command a high resale price when you’re ready to upgrade.
But everyone should have a choice and it’s ridiculous that the school is forcing you down the Mac path. Why? I cannot think of any software anyone would need that only runs on a Mac. The school should provide the Mac if they are enforcing it.
yep that's what really angers me. i dont care what apple charges to the isheep, but clearly they did something dirty marketing to make schools force students to buy their crap.
Incorrect, it is the leadership of the school's decision to choose what device(s) they allow as BYOD.
Your sister is going to a private school, she will not want to stick out as the only kid with a non apple laptop or and old mac laptop. If you care about her mental health and to save her from bullying just get her the MacBook or better, nothing less.
The school should also have a discount program or at least she will qualify for the tiny student discount from apple.eh i will buy her a $2k+ 2080 windows laptop so she can show off to the boys? u really think i'd buy her a $600 cheapo?
Way to go, why not dress up the compulsory school uniform by sewing solid gold buttons on her blazer while you’re at it?
Why not remake the school jacket in a technically superior material and then decorate it just like the original?
Why not give her a greyhound skirt while you are at it, that will get the boys attention.
Seriously most schools private or public don't appreciate show offs.
Just spend $1.4k buying a Macbook Air (during either a 10-15% off sale at JB using gift cards for another 6% off).Ohh.. but you sound like the kind of chap who won't listen to what women ask, as you know best. Just save some money to help with her counselling down the track to help her feel that her opinion matters.
At the end of the day (windows or mac), you are helping her out, and that is great to see.
i value individualism and …oh wait private school. move on.
A second hand Macbook with good specs would be more than sufficient. From my understanding, schools + students who sign up to Apple's education plan get a discount on new products. However, I doubt she would need that.
(which will play 720p @ 10-20fps, and modern games wont even run on 2 cores)
Is she using it for gaming or learning? Lol
Its called the 'cult of Apple'. They have hookwinked millions of people into buying into their 'eco-system' of devices and services based on the success of their iPhone over a decade ago.
Their tech is now old and by no means leading edge…but they fooled millions via marketing and spin and people are generally stupid and easily swayed.
Apple's main profit centre is the iPhone and in the US they are focusing on the Applepay. They don't care about IT hardware anymore.
Only a fool would buy any Apple products as there are better and cheaper alternatives out there. But to reiterate, people are vein, image conscious and fools and would prefer to cool than be rational.
Their tech is now old and by no means leading edge
Do you have some examples of recent Apple products featuring old tech? I'm genuinely curious being both a very long (25+ year, Green Guide build-a-PC days) PC guy, and not-as-long (10 year) Mac guy.
Of course not, why would they. Just make a post sucking up to the haters, who cares about the facts.
google dwayne johnson clapping gif, thats my reaction to this post
Or, you know, the ecosystem integrates extremely well and all of their devices/OS's are easy to use and just work. Not to mention their focus on privacy.
We get it, they're not some tech lords dream configurable system, but not everyone wants that.
lol I love it - what an absolute diatribe of btthurt. I love Apple haters, always trotting out the same, tired whinges with absolutely zero depth - much like a sheep would. Remind me again why *Apple users are the sheep?
Do you have some examples of recent Apple products featuring old tech? I'm genuinely curious being both a very long (25+ year, Green Guide build-a-PC days) PC guy, and not-as-long (10 year) Mac guy.
Are you going to Answer Member 0230, or can't you think of one example? You are completely transparent, Afah. It's so cute.
Hacintosh?
It’s part and parcel of attending that particular school. It’s somewhat unusual that your sister’s school wants you to buy a device outright, usually schools ask you to pay a technology levy which includes the MacBook (rent to buy model), IT support and software.
Are you going to complain about buying textbooks when “you can just download them or get a PDF off an older student for free?”
what a strawman. textbooks cost no where near this price, go on big sales, and actually have [i]real value not found elsewhere[/i]. macbooks are nothing more than a brand name, not even a luxury louis vuitton at that.
also, for most textbooks older versions are better. in fact for all my 1st/2nd year textbooks the older versions were always better. 3rd/4th year textbooks normally only have 1 version.
I hope for your sister’s sake you don’t source outdated textbooks for her senior years at school. Different states and territories are updating their syllabuses and outdated textbooks (especially HSIE ones) are nowhere near as useful, especially if the class is using something newer.
lol, another strawman. textbooks i was referring to my uni textbooks. i never even gave a thought to her hs textbooks. u bring up strawman after strawman.
@Findo: more like are u right in ur head. i dont understand why we are discussing text books when my thread is about computers.
@Gerry H: Sorry pls forgive my ignorance chief, but I thought we were talking about your sister, and your reluctance to follow her school’s direction regarding the purchase of a MacBook. It’s a matter of compliance and conforming to school specific norms, it’s really no different to refusing to buy a school-mandated textbook and asking if you can bring a photocopied copy instead.
also, for most textbooks older versions are better. in fact for all my 1st/2nd year textbooks the older versions were always better. 3rd/4th year textbooks normally only have 1 version.
How did I miss this gem the first time? In what universe does updated information and editing make a new edition WORSE?
They’re far superior to a windows laptop, trust me. I’ve got two; one old white MacBook from ‘08 that’s been around the globe, missing a permanent battery but still works great as (when plugged in lol) also got a 13” MacBook Pro from late 2012 and never had a problem. Compare that to the piece of shit my mum bought around the same time that weighs about double and takes about 30 mins just to turn it on and get working, only then to have to do stupid updates that take ages. And the piece of shit my teacher dad got given to him by his school this year (hp sceptre). So basically, it’s a big investment, but for me,I don’t think over 10 years of functionality for one and approaching 10 for another is too bad..?
I bet they were not even close in price though were they. Macbook would have probably been 2-3 times the price, of course it is better lol
It's not about the specs, it's about the platform that the school chooses to support. Bringing in alternatives like a Hackintosh setup will cause issues for IT - if the OP's child can't get something done because of an issue, IT won't be able to help. And IT will cop the blame, no matter what. So the IT Director has presumably told the Principal that their platform for students is the Macbook and that's all they're budgeted to support. School has a standard platform, which is no different to what Corporates do.
A lot of schools have a laptop levy and they provide the gear for precisely this reason. In either event why give yourself and your daughter the headache of an unsupported platform - it's not about the tech, it's about everything wrapped around it. After all, 80% of the cost of a computer is the support and management cost, not the actual hardware itself.
my child… need to read again
please explain how support cost 80% of a pc's value, how it should cost more than 20%. me and my parents never used anything other than warranty for our laptops.
my parents are paying kidneys for the school, and they cant even hire 1 more person for windows support. its not about the money, my parents can easily afford it, its about the junk far overpriced macbook being forced on us. and im not even dissing all apple products, iphones are slightly overpriced but i wouldnt make a whiny thread about it even if her school forced her to buy the latest iphone/ipad, because they are actually top tier in their market space and priced far more reasonably than macbooks. just look at the macbook, then its price, and stop urself from going WTF?
I dare you to write to the principal about this pressing issue. Nay, ACA needs to know too!
my parents are paying kidneys for the school
its not about the money, my parents can easily afford it
I think you don't understand the intended meaning of the phrase "paying a kidney" for something.
Dare I say it's pretty clear which child was OP's parent's favourite.
How Does Apple Get Away with The MacBook?
You answered your own question:
school requires macbook nothing else
Now hand over your money lol
I am a Windows user through and through, but always purchase Mac's for family.
Look they just work, have much better re-sale value, and work well through their entire life.maybe ur talking about the old versions where they had decent specs for the price? ive never bought 2nd hand so hesitant. but for the 2019 version, that cpu wont last more than 3 years. hell im surprised its even working for 2019 tasks other than web browsing and document processing.
No the 2019 CPU will easily last 5 years!!
Even the base i5 will last 5 years and they come in various CPU specs.
IMO Students should generally target the lower spec CPU as they don't need it and get better battery life, typically 13hrs vs 10hrs.
For the high-end graphics, most schools (public and private) use more cloud services and potentially have their own high-spec devices suitable for the task.More and more students even use chrome books, which is a clear demonstration about how much CPU they use.
I do see more and more students using iMovies for assessments, this doesn't require a high-end CPU (as they generally are asked to submit in 720p and not 4k) Finding the equivalent to iMovie on a PC, is not only costly but significantly steeper learning curve. Just an example, of how a student can be disadvantaged using a different platform to the school. Best to use the platform recommended by the school, not what you prefer or think is best.This comment and the OP's threads, don't apply to high-end power users.
What a pile of nonsense. I’ve got a late 2013 MacBook Pro i5 8GB/512GB running macOS Catalina perfectly (also Windows 10 under boot camp. Nearly 6 years old
yea wat do u do with that mac, browse ozb and watch 240p porn?
that cpu cannot decode 4k 60fps youtube video without 50% frame drops, not sure it can even do 1600p 60fps.
@Gerry H: Wtf would I want to watch 4K video on a laptop? In any case, the cpu can do h264 decode in hardware numbnuts.
I also have a 2 month old dell latitude 7400 2 in 1 and for most tasks it doesn’t feel any faster. If I want to game, I use a Windows 10 desktop with a real desktop GPU.
@lunchbox99: maybe u have a big 4k monitor. that cpu cannot do 4k 60fps without huge frame drops m8, i dont know if it can even do its native res @ 60fps, youtube has extremely aggressive compression. and even if it can u it'll be 100% usage and u cant do background tasks like virus scanning.
for cpu im referring to the 2019 $1699 model. dont know about ur 2013 mac pro.
@Gerry H: All of this is beside the point. Your original statement was that after 3 years the computer is useless.
Intel CPUs have included h264 hardware decoding since sandy bridge. It’s true that YouTube 4K uses VP9 which doesn’t go back that far in hardware decode, but that’s mostly for file size efficiency.
I don’t use my laptop on a monitor except for work (certainly not to watch 4K videos like a fricken child). I use a DESKTOP for that, or more likely my android tv and home theatre setup.
I’m certainly not going to spend $3k on a new laptop simply to gain the ability to watch 4K YouTube videos. lol, you realise how ridiculous that sounds? Lol
@lunchbox99: so i buy a $1699 laptop and cant even watch a 1600p 60fps video (native res of the screen) at the coffee shop and do light cpu load work in the background.
if this sounds acceptable to u, u need to watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCwBkNgPZFQ
@Gerry H: who said a $1700 laptop can’t decode VP9?
All intel CPUs since Apollo lake can hardware decode vp9. HEVC back to braswell/cherry trail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_VideoFor h264 is goes right back to sandy bridge.
@lunchbox99: when did i say cant decode? i mean near 100% usage so i cant do any light cpu task in the background.
@Gerry H: Look I realise you’ve got a rage boner for macs cause obviously you just don’t like them on principle, but I’m not sure what playing 4K YouTube videos has to do with your sister using it for school anyway. It’s like you’re just inventing a use case that she isn’t even contemplating.
I mean, unless you have a 55”+ monitor I don’t see what the big deal is with 4K anyway. Is 1080p so offensive to your eyeballs that you can even look at the screen.
I play 4K stuff on my big android tv all the time, but honestly it’s not a problem viewing 1080p or even 720p.
LOL - go buy their monitor stand bro.
I've had a long career in the IT industry and they have pumped out many a dog design and product, they had some good ones too. The point is, you will see people referring in past tense to them as they no longer innovative but pervasive and too be honest thier over inflated prices reflect their braindead followers. It will be a long time, however they will be the Kodak of this point in time in years to come.