The Sony A7 Mirrorless Camera with 28-70mm Lens Kit has 24.3MP effective pixels and a real-time image adjustment display, making it an excellent companion on your photography or video recording sessions.
Sony A7 Mirrorless Camera with 28-70mm Lens Kit $998 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Harvey Norman
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Crazy to think that this camera went for the same price FIVE years ago during boxing day sales 2014. Sony obviously did something right… though I find it hard to justify the price for a camera released 5 years ago!
I'd suggest an A6500 or A6400 at this price (even if used) as the AF on the A7 will disappoint unless you're just taking landscape shots.
Why? APS-C and FF. Different.
APS-C is a smaller sensor and the format made its debut many years ago in enthusiast range cameras, also made the camera body and lenses smaller and lighter and cheaper. with FF, they can go beyond the approx 24mp that APS-C seems to max out at and you will see FF starting at 24mp and goin up to 64mp and have access to lenses that were designed for pro dslr cameras.
most of my gear is APS-C dslr, i will eventually move to mirror less when 2mp electronic view finders come down in price, sony now has 4mp view finders , so assume canon will follow and prices drop, i don’t need more than 24mp on the sensor but to move to EVF after using dslr i need at least 2mp or i notice the pixels.
No reason for APS-C over FF, mainly due to DOF and low light performance.
When I was shooting with 5DI and 5DII, the new 7D came with state of art AF at that point of time. Didn't move me.
Unless someone is shooting sport on a budget (an extremely minority of group of people), FF will always have advantage over APS-C.
The alpha-I with 50mm/85mm is the perfect portrait combo on a budget.
Hm… A6600? Not here, nor there…
this is some good advice. i have an a6000 and have always wanted a full frame but the autofocus on the original a7 is dog slow
Well worth spending twice the amount and getting the a7iii. It's light years better.
This thing is 6 years old yet still has 20% more dynamic range at base ISO than the EOS RP. People were paying $1200 for that pile of junk a few days ago it didn't even come with a lens.
Not saying the a7 isn't a bad camera, just that the a7iii is just that much better. Sony is way way ahead of the competition
So you ARE saying the A7 is a bad camera?
@wid: Compared to the a7iii.. the original a7 is a bad camera… easily worth the extra money …I would not consider the a7.
As I said the other day…oh no - dynamic range is the only thing that matters in image quality!! Can't push my shadows 6 stops!!!
Get a clue 🙄And also learn to count - the RP deal was $999
Such a stupid comment. You think because a camera has better dynamic range it is overall a better camera. You have no idea. RP is a better camera in just about every other aspect, as you would expect from a camera that is 5 years newer. A7iii blows away both cameras.
Care to explain?
Have you used the RP? You seem to lurk around these forums just to slay it off. Dynamic range isn't the be all and end all…. any decent photographer would know that. Yes, the EOS RP isn't the greatest camera on the market but for $999 it is good value. The EOS RP would blow the pants off the a7 in terms of AF and all round usability. It is a much better option for a newb photographer or someone looking to upgrade their current APSC camera and move to FF.
Agreed!
The EOS RP would blow the pants off the a7 in terms of AF and all round usability. It is a much better option for a newb photographer or someone looking to upgrade their current APSC camera and move to FF.
…or to use as a second body with an EOS R, which is why I grabbed it!
Brand new full frame body with 5yr warranty and Canon's colours and AF for under $1000….yes please!!!
Brand new full frame body with 5yr warranty and Canon's colours and AF for under $1000….yes please!!!
dynamic range doesn’t matters but these does.
You both look like fanboys
@snvl: No, the fanboys are the ones who write-off a camera because one characteristic (e.g. dynamic range) doesn't measure as highly on a test chart as another brand's camera.
'Dynamic Rangers' tend to be the worst and most vocal of the fanboys - somehow their fragile egos get mated to their cameras' specs and they need to go around announcing the superiority of their gear in order to feed their self-esteem.
dynamic range doesn’t matters but these does.
You both look like fanboys
If sensor size, product warranty, colour-science, and AF features don't seem like worthy worthy points to consider when purchasing a camera, you might wanna stick to creating images with your Crayolas.
@snvl: Yes, and I listed five features that made me choose the RP, and you called me a "fanboy" for it - it's just pointless trolling at your end.
@dm01: You first criticised other people choice for dynamic range.
I don’t own either camera. Both have compromises.
@snvl: No, I responded to a user who's been posting factually incorrect information about a camera across several deals now - it's well deserved criticism.
All cameras have compromises , but lying about camera specs or capabilities (or price or age) in some weird vendetta against a brand (or camera model) is just childish. But if you want to defend such people, go right on ahead.
I'm looking to spend under $1K on a mirrorless camera plus kit lens, and I am a beginner.
I'm looking at this camera, or the Panasonic Lumix G85 (cheaper and more kit included).
Especially with tech, there's always a better product another $200, $500 or $1000 more. But, yeah, people operate with budgets, and would I be right in suggesting this camera and the G85 are targeted to beginners, whereas the a7iii is an "upgrade target".
think the 1024x768 view finder shows the cameras age and is the feature that would stop me buying it, rather than other features. i do a lot of outdoor photography so the view finder gets used a lot in sunlight vs the back LCD screen.
Mark III have the same res EVF
It's a great camera still, of course the newer models are better but if your budget for camera and lens is only $1000 you can do ALOT worse.
The A7III is an absolute demon in terms of AF speed and the dual SD slots is good for people who do raw and JPEG.
The A7II has of course stabilisation, which is useful depending on the circumstances you shoot.All that being said you can still buy this camera and take great photos.. and even use funky adapters for EOS or Leica etc.
yes, it’s $1000 for a camera AND lens, ready to go for someone getting into mirrorless cameras. …..a7iii will be a lot more by the time you add a lens.
if i didn’t already have dslr i’d take the plunge, but i guess with sony setting the mark at $1000 kit, will be interesting what canon and nikon put up as $1000 kits.
i guess with sony setting the mark at $1000 kit, will be interesting what canon and nikon put up as $1000 kits.
It's not really setting the mark given that it's a special on what seems to be a discontinued model.
Note a few of the big US camera retailers have just marked this discontinued so we may see further discounting while stocks last on this quite superseded camera.
I doubt there are much stock left. But it might pay off to wait
I posted this in another thread the other day, but I have owned the A7 since release and it has been a fantastic camera. Yes, some of the specs are a bit long in the tooth (noticeably the AF and video options), but it's a fantastic bit of kit, only surpassed by its more recent iterations. It is more than capable of extremely high quality photos in all settings.
The thing is once you use the auto focus of newer Sony bodies, one cannot see any value in A7R. Imagine shooting wide open at f1.4 without eye auto focus! It's a pain. Unless you are a landscape photographer who always focuses on infinity, I defenitely see A7II and A7III much better, even a used one.
Imagine shooting wide open at f1.4 without eye auto focus!
And yet photographers have been shooting with f/1.4, f/1.2, and wider lenses since back in the film days…wonder how they managed!
Nothing is impossible. Of course it is doable; but it either requires prior skill and experience or spending time to gain them. Definitely, if you want to be pro, you have to learn manual focusing but here we are talking about hobbyists; those who just want to put down their bloody phone and use a proper camera. Not having auto focus for those is definitely a hindrance to step into photography. The world has changed (unfortunately).
And yet photographers have been shooting with f/1.4, f/1.2, and wider lenses since back in the film days…wonder how they managed!
They managed without AF too, but you keep saying that Canon RP has better AF than a 5 years old camera
…but you keep saying that Canon RP has better AF than a 5 years old camera
Really? Where did I say that? You're imagining things now.
A little off topic, but for you camera nerds, if you could buy A7 III and Fuji X-T3 for the same price, which do you take?
I'm an amateur but want to take better photos than my phone will allow.
Do these expensive camera come with a storage case? If not, what do you guys use?
Also, would like recommendations on a tripod that's compact enough to take onto checked luggage and won't break the bank.
The last real camera I used was a Sony Cybershot which was a very small and thin camera that didn't have a lens jutting out.
A7iii is overkill for you, especially if you are learning. It's full frame and lenses can be large and expensive (although getting better)
XT3 is APS-C, smaller sensor but a good balance of price and performance.
You could also look at a cheap second hand body (even an older dslr or M43 with a cheap lens) before shelling out thousands on a hobby you may not be too interested in after a few months. This would be my recommendation.
I'll be snapping something that I likely won't get another chance to see again in my lifetime so I want the photos to be as good as they can be.
Medium Format camera then.
Jokes aside, it will be down to you a lot. Think about: what are you shooting, what is your budget, how often will you be able to (or need to) swap out lenses, what are you going to do with the pictures after, how big can it be?
Check out the Reddit Photography guide, that has some good tips and questions you need to think about.
Safari??
i have similar dilemma, have aps-c dslr in canon and nikon,
sony is FF , and some of their new sensors and evf technology will trickle down, so eventually you upgrade body but keep the lenses. sony also manufacture a lot of sensors for phones, so more tech will trickle down into the sensors in the body. I moved from canon to nikon because nikon seemed to offer more per $ by about 12 mths (16mp canon was same price as 24mp nikon).i think in mirrorless sony has less legacy baggage and in the long term will give you more per $$ at a pint in time,
the a7 at $1000 including a lens is a great start, the a7 iii with lens at $2300 is even better if you have the coin, you will upgrade bodies at some stage, but if you own 2 lenses from a manufacturer, you do start to get locked in unless you sell up and change to another brand …… and then you take a hit on your lens invest from low ballers.
This is some really fantastic information. At a lower budget, what do you think of the Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark III?
Sorry, forgot to tag you @cryax83.
It's a good compact camera. I used an Olympus E-M1 for 5 years :)
if you could buy A7 III and Fuji X-T3 for the same price, which do you take?
You either buying a cheap a7 iii or an expensive x-t3.
Probable both overkill to start with. What lenses do you have in mind?
something that doesn't stick out too much.
Umm… neither of these cameras are for you. I'd recommend a Google Pixel 4 or latest iPhone 11
@cyrax83: You couldn't pay me enough to use either of those phones. What I'm shooting will need stability that I probably won't have hand held.
I am looking into buying a full-frame if not APS-C for lower cost, will do a bit of travel next year.
Planning to get a wide len and a prime. do you know how much would it be approximately?
Keeping in mind that a large part of good photos is the skill of the photographer both of these cameras can certainly increase the image quality.
The A7 III is full frame and many would consider that it has more growing room overall if you spend more time learning the craft a downside is that it is larger and heavier when you couple it with good native glass and the budget may also blow out when you do (although there are good 3rd party lens and you can adapt other lens systems).
The X-T3 is not a full frame camera like the A7 III but the image quality can be pretty damn stunning and most of the native lens are a bit cheaper and much smaller and although it's subjective I consider the out of camera images (in jpeg) of the X-T3 to look better than the A7 III.
I mention the weight and size as I gather from your comments you plan to travel with it.
Personally I have used both systems and as a travel camera with room to learn I would look at the X-T3, X-T30 or one of the Sony A6300 or above series of cameras.
The A7 III would be my choice for work or if I wanted the options a full frame offers (or adapted lens) and did not mind the size/weight/cost of the camera ecosystem.
For the other questions:
You should get some kind of protection for the camera, there are a lot and it's more personal preference and carry style.
If you don't mind a short tripod you could look at the Joby range as they are excellent for travel, I use one or an old CF Benro Travel Angle tripod.
Hope something in there helps.Great and informative post.
Can I ask which of these two you would choose - the Sony A6300 or the Panasonic Lumix G85?
Retailers are selling both for ~$900 at the moment with two lens included in the bundle.
Does depend on what you are going to shoot but in general I would look at the G85 if video is a primary consideration and the A6300 for stills.
The A6300s larger sensor and faster autofocus are a big plus for photography and it does work for video for static shots but suffers from rolling shutter (jello effect) when you move it too quickly.
I am going to guess the bundles you have seen are kit lens bundles, probably a Sony 16-50 and a Panasonic 16-60 plus a longer longer lens?
If so note that although great starter lens (especially the Sony 16-50 as long as you do lens correction in post) depending on how much you get into photography and your subjects you may grow out of them and want something a bit better.
Each camera has a good lens lineup with the G85s range being a touch cheaper as it's part of the Micro Four Thirds system.
Both will also adapt many vintage manual focus lens which can be a cheap and interesting way to increase your lens collection.@MoneyPincher: Thanks ever so much.
I was a bit hasty with my post, it is the Sony A6000 which is bundled with a lens package for $899 at Leederville Cameras, not the A6300. My mistake!
I do like some of the ergonomic features of the G85 - flip screen, touch screen - and the dual stabilisation feature too. For a total novice like me, doing a fair bit of impromptu video without a tripod, they seem nice features to have over the Sony.
And, yes, I got the pricing comparison completely wrong anyway!
@Charlie Dont Surf: Ok that does change things.
If the video is important the features you list may just be the deal breakers compared to the A6000 as it's pretty lack luster in the video side of things
Additionally the A6000 is missing 4k recording and does not have an external microphone input which means you are stuck with either the rather bad internal mic or the hassle of buying an external recorder and syncing audio in post, sound can be very important in video.
When deciding note that the A6000 will still pull slightly ahead in still images with it's larger APC sensor and the higher resolution images and better low light ISO performance but the trade off on the video side of things is pretty massive.
Hope that helps.@MoneyPincher: Yes it does, thanks.
The extra lens (in addition to the stock one) that is being included in the G85 bundle is a 25mm F1.7 lens. I'm still doing some research on whether that lens is something I would find particularly useful/valuable, because I can buy the camera + stock lens for around $130 less than the bundle which includes that 25mm lens.
@Charlie Dont Surf: It does depend on what you wish to shoot but if the budget allows the 25mm 1.7 for the extra $130 would be a good option as it is considered an excellent prime lens at it's normal price (around $250-$299) let alone the $130 extra.
The 25mm is equivalent to a 50mm on a full frame camera and is still considered one of the best all round focal lengths and is long enough for portrait while not being too telephoto for street and general.
The 1.7 aperture is way ahead of the standard kit lens so allows it to work much better in low light (both stills and video) and allows you to get some nice bokeh (narrow depth of field), plus it's supposed to be nice and sharp stopped down.
Definitely consider what you wish to shoot in the long and read some reviews as well as comparisons between it and the kit lens.
Good luck with it.@MoneyPincher: Ended up buying the Panasonic G85 bundle mate. Could have got it a bit cheaper at Black Friday, but I wasn't thinking about getting a camera at that stage :)
Some of you guys splurge more on a lens than what I paid for the camera, but this is the most money I've ever spent on a camera, it's nice to have a decent piece of kit. Spare battery (third party) and a shoulder/sling bag, and I will be done.
Now it's off to the YouTube tutes for some pointers.
@Charlie Dont Surf: Congrats, if you spend the time learning the craft either the photo, video or both I am sure you will really enjoy it.
I travel with a Sirui T-2204X carbon fibre tripod. It's definitely small enough for checked luggage and is small enough to take carry-on, too.. It's relatively cheap. And its build quality is excellent.
Regarding a camera recommendation, we really need to know what you're shooting.
This is one of the cheapest way to enter full-frame.
yep , people upgrade phones to take better photos and for $1000 inc lens this takes better photos then a phone can. you will change phones before you out grow this camera.
This looks like the a7 from 2013-2014. Amazing camera still at this price.