PSA: Costco Does NOT Have a "Forever" Warranty

Warning: long post.

TLDR: Note to anyone buying things from Costco expecting to rely on the belief they have some sort of "extended/awesome/second-to-none/forever warranty".

I'm posting this as a public service announcement as there seems to be a lot of misinformation/misunderstanding going around about Costco's "warranty".

Here is my personal experience. I purchased a (large and reasonably expensive-ish/high range at the time) Samsung Plasma TV approximately 7 years ago specifically from Costco with the express reason and understanding (could get the same price from other retailer) that should anything go wrong with the TV Costco would cover it with their "under warranty as long as you keep your membership active". At that time, I didn't do any actual due diligence beyond asking a staff member about it. I was told that as long I keep my membership the TV was under warranty - or at least words to that effect.

The TV died for no apparent reason last night. It has been working fine for many years with no issues. Last night it suddenly died while watching TV. Nothing unusual or interesting was happening at the time.

Costco's website does not list any information regarding any "warranty", but rather a 100% satisfaction guarantee, which says the following at the time of posting (link):

Costco's 100% Satisfaction Guarantee

One of the reasons why a Costco membership gives you incredible value is because we offer you a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee on your membership and purchases.

We promise that if we fail to deliver on quality produce, prices or services, we’ll refund your purchase*. This is in addition to your rights under Australian Consumer Law.

Additionally, if you’re dissatisfied with your membership for any reason, we’ll refund your membership fee in full at any time.

If you have any questions or concerns, visit our membership counter for assistance.

Exceptions*
Diamonds and watches

Members returning a diamond l.00ct or larger must present all original paperwork (IGI and/or GIA certificates), upon which you’ll receive a jewellery credit memo. >Refunds will be approved upon positive verification. This process may require 2–5 business days.

Refunds on all watches will be approved upon positive verification. This process may require 2–5 business days.

Special order kiosk and custom installed programs

Custom product(s) manufactured to our members personal and unique specifications cannot be returned or refunded except for warranty repair/replacement due to failure to meet specifications.

Hearing aid products

Hearing aid products are not covered by the 100% Satisfaction Guarantee policy and are instead covered by the terms of the purchase agreement signed at the time of purchase

In the future, Costco may restrict its return policy regarding other products. Restrictions will be shown at the time of purchase.

I've also read their Member Terms and Conditions (link) which says this about the Guarantee:

RISK-FREE 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEE
On Membership: We will refund your membership fee in full at any time if you are dissatisfied.
On Merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell and will refund your purchase price, with the following exceptions:
Diamonds: l.00ct or larger: Members returning a diamond over l.00ct must also present all original paperwork (IGI and/or GIA certificates) at which time they will receive a Jewellery Credit Memo. Refunds will be approved upon positive verification. This process may require 2-5 business days.
Refunds on all watches will be approved upon positive verification. This process may require 2-5 business days.
Special Order Kiosk and Custom Installed Programs: Custom product(s) manufactured to our members personal and unique specifications cannot be returned or refunded, except for warranty repair/replacement due to failure to meet specifications.
Hearing Aid Products: Hearing aid products may not be covered by the 100% Satisfaction Guarantee and are covered by the terms of the purchase agreement signed at the time of purchases.
Costco may in future restrict its return policy regarding other products. Restrictions will be shown at time of purchase.

From doing fairly extensive reading on this on forums (OZB, Whirpool, etc.) it is clear that there is still a general belief that Costco's "Warranty" is forever, etc. This is most certainly not the case. (They don't offer a warranty beyond the manufacturer's warranty. Rather, it is a a satisfaction guarantee which to be fair it may well still be better than many other retailers.) It seems to be pretty much closer to the ACL consumer guarantee in that they MAY allow you to return it for a reasonable period of time - whatever that period of time is, is up to them.

It may be easier to replace an item from Costco than going through an ACL claim with other retailers, but do not expect it to be anything like "forever" or even much (or at all) beyond what the ACL might give you from any other retailer.

Importantly, there are many people promoting the idea that Costco's "amazing warranty" is a reason to consider buying things from them over other retailers. (I myself was in this category until today.)

I accept that a retailer cannot probably profitably exist returning 20-year old expensive items for a full refund but perhaps they could be clearer on the limitations and rules of their guarantee because it could be misunderstood.

I hope that this helps others learning from my actual experience.

[Edit: forgot to explain that the TV died for no apparent reason and it wasn't just that I was trying to return it for a new one after using it for many years]

[Edit2: I have removed parts that described my personal disappointment and seemed to "have a go" at Costco as they were not relevant and undermines my actual intention of trying to help others who might be under the same mistaken impression as I was]

[Edit3: Seems some people want to know the background of what happened after the TV broke so here is the short version if it helps. I contacted Costco and they had a store manager call me back. Regarding my belief that there was a "warranty" as long as I kept my membership valid, he did say "someone may have told you that at the time but it's not right" or words to that effect. He did in the end offer to give me $200 off any TV I bought from them as a replacement. The conversation was pleasant in tone and I never demanded a refund. He was nice about it and I have no specific gripe with how they handled it as such. Yes, I am disappointed and I do think their guarantee is unclear.]

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Comments

    • I agree. 7 years is a good run. I wouldn't expect the manufacturer or retailer to offer further support after 3 years for a display

  • In fairness to Costco, a 100% satisfaction refund policy is about as good as you'll get, better than many other retailers.

    (I am mildly annoyed with Costco for traffic problems but otherwise unaffiliated)

    • Victim of their own success lol.
      Its like complaining about the need to wait at a popular restaurant haha. There's a line because its good and you want to go there because its good.
      First world problems…

  • Trying to return a 7 year old plasma. Lol, thanks for the laugh.

    • +4

      you're the laugh.

      It's not normal case when you bring back TV to HN or TGG for warranty, it's about misleading information that trick/get people into the contract. A Costco's staff told me to buy a TV from them 2-3 years ago and I can return it any time because it "as good as you're keeping membership with us"

      • +1

        A Costco's staff told me to buy a TV from them 2-3 years ago and I can return it any time because it "as good as you're keeping membership with us"

        Did they provide this on a letterhead?

      • -2

        "A Costco's staff told me to buy a TV from them 2-3 years ago and I can return it any time because it "as good as you're keeping membership with us" - yeah that never happened, did it.

        • I can confirm it happened to me. I bought one of my TVs from them in 2011, and the Costco guy who I was talking to about the "warranty" said pretty much that when I asked what I can do if it breaks down, said I could bring it back under the "satisfaction guarantee" and get it refunded as long as I kept my membership current and paid up the whole time This was one of the original Costco employees at docklands store who has been there since they first opened, and he is still there now as I still see him around. Next time I pay a visit there, I'll find him and ask him if anything's changed from that regard

          Believe what you want, I can confirm it from first hand experience and other friends have also confirmed they had similar conversations.

    • You are on Ozbargain after all. Where a lot of people (in this thread in particular) would gladly walk over their own mates to get something that benefits them.

  • +2

    If it's any consolation, OP, my 10 year old Panasonic plasma is still going strong. Actually, guess it isn't. More like salt to injury.

    • My original Panasonic 42' plasma screen from approximately 16 years ago is still going strong (can't remember exact purchase date but got it before 2005 as that is when I moved house and bought that with me to new house). It is actually annoying as It is hard to justify throwing it out when it works perfectly, still perfect picture and good sound. But heavy and hot to touch when running and obviously none of the modern connection options but it is fine through a STB in spare room.

      • My 10 year 55" family Pana plasma is too going strong.
        Hard to get rid if the thing!

        I wanna upgrade to a LG UHD

      • +1

        I'm secretly wishing it dies so we can get a new one, but it just keeps going and going and going…Damn you Panasonic for making such long lasting products!

        • yep, amusing part is I also bought a 50 inch Panasonic in 2010, 10 years later that is also still perfect in the main living room. The quality of their plasma's was exceptional. I would not mind if they both died at this point though so I could justify something more modern.

      • And your old Plasma likely uses about $150-$200 more in electricity per year than it's modern LED/LCD equivalent.

        All that heat doesn't come free.

        • not likely. I don't watch enough TV to hit those sort of numbers. might be costing me $10-$20 more a year

      • The justification is that it drinks electricity.

  • Have you actually try to approach Costco and speak with one of the managers? I was told when I bought my TV four years ago and that they have an unofficial policy of replacement if you ask them and that you have a genuine problem with the TV. This was after they officially ended the unlimited warranty thing.

    Maybe it is worth a shot.

    • Yeah, actually that's what I did. (I removed that part from my post later as some people were focusing on my personal experience with trying to return the TV and whether or not that was reasonable, rather than the point I'm making that the "amazing warranty" is not a thing.) Costco were pleasant enough about it, I have no gripe about that. It is theoretically possible that they may refund something that's not quite as old. In my case 7 years was too long where maybe 4 years might have been ok. I guess one point is that if it's actually 4-5 years (unofficially) then the ACL probably covers that from other retailers also which may then influence a person's decision to purchase from Costco.

  • +2

    From what I understood by the comments is that they may have changed their terms later on. But my understanding is that the change of terms applies to new sales. When you purchased the tv you were covered for lifetime warranty.

    As unreasonable assumption as it might be from practical aspect of it, you should be covered under those terms.

    • It seems that probably there never was anything of the sort but "back in the day" some Costco staff were saying "as long as you keep your membership you can bring it back" or along those lines. Maybe too many people were abusing that to get new for old replacement rather than replace faulty products and over the years they clamped down on it. But as far as I can tell there was never anything official in writing nor is there now (other than the guarantee I quoted) and so it remains to some a mistaken belief (or misinterpretation of the guarantee) that they should buy from Costco for the warranty, or that they should keep renewing their membership to maintain the warranty.

      The lesson: unless it's in writing …

      • Yes exactly, unless drafted somewhere in writing it won’t do you any good.

  • I'm amazed you actually thought your 7 year old TV was still covered under some sort of warranty. Depending how expensive it was you could reasonably expect it to last 5-6 years and yours lasted 7 so that's a win.

    Now you get to upgrade to something newer, better specced and is likely cheaper to run also.

  • Does anyone really believe or expect a company to give a lifetime warranty on an electrical item? Come on - JB and Harvey Norman have sold extended warranties for years for which few are called upon in reality. Maybe I should make make a warranty claim on my Commodore 64.

    • dont be ridiculous, those things never die! :P

  • +15

    Interesting timing given our experience just yesterday at Costco Canberra.

    We bought a 50" LG TV back in August 2014 (no, that's not a typo). No dramas until earlier this week when two bright spots appeared. Some Googling / YouTubing indicates that there are 16 LED backlights in the set, diffused by lenses, and after a long time (over five years for us) they can fall out. Maybe it was the recent heat.

    I called Costco Canberra, who said that I should call LG to confirm whether they could do anything for me, but if they couldn't, to just return it for a full refund under their 100% satisfaction guarantee.

    We'd long lost the receipt and the box. I figured I'd need the receipt to talk to LG so headed over to Costco to see if they could print it out. They couldn't - apparently it was too old - but they happily emailed it to me.

    I called LG on Tuesday afternoon and as expected, they said it was well out of their one year warranty and I'd be up for the cost of an assessor and any repairs.

    We put the TV in the car yesterday and headed back to Costco. Showed them the receipt they'd emailed me, said we'd like to return under the satisfaction guarantee, and they said 'sorry this has happened, here's your money back'. A supervisor did ask if he could plug the TV in for a sec which I was happy to do. He said that yes, it was definitely a problem with the panel, and again apologised for the hassle.

    $959 back on our card, walked in the other other door and walked out again with a $979 65" 4K HDR Sony Bravia. And a tray of pork. And some eggs. And rotisserie chook. And some cat food…

    Two big fat thumbs up from me for Ricky, Kevin and a couple of other people involved in the return.

    • +1

      Good to hear!

      • +19

        And people wonder why they end or no longer disclose their generous warranty. This is why, people just abuse it

      • +3

        I think 'scumbag' defines you pretty accurately.

      • Well I suppose this justifies their behaviour I’ve experienced on occasion.

        Why would you return something without a fault after 3 years?

      • Wow. I'm more surprised you feel no remorse to just return anything once it's outdated to then purchase the new gen model.

      • +2

        If I was your mother I'd return you for the same reason.

      • Damn, you're a douchebag. I should forward your message to Costco; it wouldn't be too hard for them to track down who you are.

    • Well this is definitely interesting… I guess there is a difference between 7 years and 5.5 years. My TV was significantly more expensive than that so perhaps that plays a part? Certainly that factors into my feeling that at least it should have lasted longer. This doesn't help with my confusion about what is actually OK with Costco and what isn't…

      • If I were you, I would

        Work out the cost of the TV per year of ownership.

        If it’s above a reasonable amount (e.g. $300 For a 50 inch) I’d politely point out that you feel 7 years is probably not a reasonable life given the price you paid for the TV, and what it’s effectively cost you per year of ownership. If you find it’s less than $300 p/y, I’d cut your losses and accept their generous offer of the discount. A $1350 tv was thought to have a useful life of 8 years…. (http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VCAT…)

        If the cost is more, Insist on being happy with them organising a repair rather than a replacement so they know you aren’t trying to get an upgrade.

        Use the ATO’s determination of effective life to support your argument for a reasonable time frame.
        )
        I think you would have more success dealing with Samsung directly, but you could also try Costco.

  • Might've misread, but nothing of what you've copied and linked from Costco's website states they have a 'forever warranty'. Only that if you're not completely satisfied with the product.

    I'd say having the product for 7+ years would prove you were satisfied with the product. In this day and age of consumable technology, I can't think that anyone could believe that a technology product has a lifetime warranty.

    The other piece that may be misconstrued is that you can return the product for warranty as long as you keep your membership renewed. That doesn't state it's a lifetime warranty either, that could mean (and most likely means) that you can return the item to them within the standard warranty period for the product. Often, once a product is a year or so old, you often go back to the manufacturer to arrange warranty returns, wait for shipping and the new or fixed product to be returned.

  • +1

    Thanks for letting me know. My mistaken belief for many years was also the same as what you believed, that as long as you are a concurrent member then the satisfaction guarantee would cover me for such pricey purchases in event of malfunction not caused by misuse.

    However, GrueHunter of 2 posts above has had a good experience with basically the same scenario…

    So, my suggestion is to take some time out and take your TV & receipt to the service desk and give it a go. Calling them might be hit & miss, I think you need to go in.

    I hope you get a new TV.

    • +1

      I think a new tv is probably stretching it a bit far, but they should def agree to pay for a call out + repair from Samsung.

  • On Membership: We will refund your membership fee in full at any time if you are dissatisfied.
    On Merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell

    Were you satisfied for the first 7 years? If you're not satisfied, they'll refund you $60 (and probably forego the $200 they offered).

  • Personally I have found their return policy hit and miss. It depends largely on the employee returning the goods. They provide a satisfaction guarantee and I think most people would be satisfied with 7 years use of a TV. That said you could ask to escalate it and see how you go.

    • Agree, I often just walk away and try the next employee when I think I’m right

      • @grasstown Most large warranty returns requires a manager's approval. If your Costco has a manager who plays hardball, you might need to try another shop.

  • +3

    About half a year ago my parents wanted a TV, Costco had the TV for $500 more than the best deal we could find. We went to Costco to enquire about their "warranty" everyone raves on about and after asking them to explain how it would work if something happened, they explained that it is up to the manager on the day to determine the outcome but essentially they said the TV would only have factory warranty + ACL.

    There is no point paying for overpriced goods from them.

  • I think it would be unreasonable to expect a warranty like that from any retailer. Common sense really.
    Anyone thinking they have a permanent warranty on an electrical item is crazy.

  • 7 years is a good run for a TV. Average is 5 years.

    I used to work at Samsung tech support for TVs.

  • Your TV is seven years old, bro, c'mon. That's around the expected lifetime for a TV and where most people would go "Oh well, that's a shame but guess I'll have to see whether it can be repaired or get another one"

    I don't see anywhere in the Costco guarantee that you posted that states they'll replace anything beyond the reasonable life of a product, and the statutory Australian Consumer Law also only covers reasonable lifetime of the product.

    • Every tv in my house is 7 years or older and all work fine. If one blew out tmrw I ain’t chasing anybody. I’m buying a new tv.

      • Exactly. My TV is over 7 years old and while it still works fine, if it did bite the dust it still served me well through those years and I can't reasonably ask somebody to replace it entirely for free.

        • You guys take that rational and reasonable thinking out of this thread. /s

    • Yet the ato says a tv should be deprecated over 10 years. I don’t disagree that retailers and manufacturers should be required to cover things for a reasonable time frame, but I don’t think 7 years is reasonable, (and it would appear the ATO agrees with me LOL)

      • Yeah, I can see where that discrepancy can seem unfair. But strictly from a consumer point of view, there's a balance between the price you paid versus the price of other such goods, and normal wear and tear or degradation of parts over time.

        I can agree with you that perhaps the law is a little bit behind in regards to repairability, where something like a TV used for seven years ought to be repairable for a decent price, or a phone should have reasonably easy and affordable ways to replace the battery. The major point of contention I think is the price of repair is so high you're better of just buying a new TV with the latest features for not much more than the repair cost.

        Or if you paid $40,000 for a TV and it failed in seven years, you ought to be able to seek reasonable repair or replacement for free or a small fee. But for an average priced TV, I don't think it's reasonable to seek repair or replacement at no cost to you, just like it's not reasonable to do so for a car parts after that amount of time.

        The other point of contention is the satisfaction guarantee. Personally I think to assume that guarantee would extend indefinitely is somewhat absurd. A more reasonable interpretation would be satisfaction of the product over a reasonable life expectancy of such goods at that price point. As before, that usually falls in line with Australian Consumer Law, which uses the same test for statutory guarantees.

        • Obviously you wouldn’t expect a $700 tv from Aldi to last 10 years, but honestly speaking, if OP paid $5k (which is what a decent tv would have cost back then) like the op, I wouldn’t be happy paying $700+ a year to have a tv. I’d go to the movies once a fortnight instead LOL!

          After all if they can warrant a Kia Rio with moving parts for 7 years, surely a tv is much less complicated price of machinery.

          In any event, I think one thing is pretty clear, the ACL should provide some more guidelines about how to determine reasonable time frames

  • I agree with the OP. It is a satisfaction guarantee. It is unlimited to time. It is 100% satisfaction. Not 99% satisfaction. I would say that the op is not 100% satisfied with his broken 7 year old tv.

    . I recently wanted a different tv, I had been using it for months, I read the terms on the receipt and I was still within the time. The test was if I was satisfied. I was able to return it as I was not satisfied. I thought it was ridiculous, but if the retailer was stupid enough to offer it, I would take it.

    It makes no difference if it was a 7 day satisfaction guarantee, and the tv died in 7 days, than if it was a 100% satisfaction guarantee on purchase and not limited by time.It has nothing to do with reasonable. The test is satisfaction. 100% satisfaction! . There is no reasonable test.

    • -1

      By your logic I could buy a $400 rib-eye roast from Costco (they do sell them), eat 97% of it (which I'm totally satisfied with) and on the last bite, think it's shit and try return it on the premise I'm not 100% satisfied with it. If everyone thought like you, the world would turn to shit.

      • +3

        Yes, if you are not satisfied with it 100%, but only 97%, then yes.

        They say it not me. What the heck does 100% satisfied mean then? Does it mean 97%. No other retailer is offering 100% satisfied so the world won’t turn to shit. words need to mean something.

        • My 'world turning to shit' was an reference to people that show your level of dodginess in trying to benefit themselves at the expense of costing others (in this case, Costco members).

          Otherwise you can live your life buying and returning things from Costco and not paying a cent. I.e. buy 48 rolls of toilet paper, on the last roll, say you're not satisfied, return it. Buy 4 tyres, drive 100000 km, return it by saying "hmmm I'm not 100% satisfied cause the tyres look too round". Rinse and repeat for everything you use or eat.

          Costco have in the past refunded and banned people for life for abusing their returns policy, sounds like you're a contender for such banning if you abuse their policy so willy nilly by having such a liberal interpretation of their '100% satisfaction guarantee".

          • @OzBrogains: oh dear, how you went from describing the meaning of words to assuming I would do something.

            Costing Costco members? Nice terminology there . It costs Costco . Members do not need to pay

            Liberal interpretation? What else could “ 100% Satisfaction Guarantee on your … purchases” possibly mean?

            • @grasstown: I’ll explain to you how the world works.

              Companies seek to earn profit.

              If their profit is eaten away by accepting unreasonable returns, they will seek to increase their revenue.

              Therefore members pay indirectly - i.e more expensive goods, higher membership prices, etc.

              Let me know if you want me to slow down.

              • +1

                @OzBrogains: I’ll explain it to you. Costco presumably makes more profit with this policy than it would if it didn’t have the policy. Members are happy

                • -1

                  @grasstown: Have you got a source to back up your claim or are you making up nonsense again? The fact the “100% satisfaction guarantee” and Costco can coexist suggests there are more decent people in this world compared to yourself.

                  • +1

                    @OzBrogains: Your whole view is based on reasonableness, and factors in non existent time limits. You’re the one making up shit and ignoring the actual things of relevance

      • The guy in front of us returned two small bottles of Boost juice.

        One of them had a mouthful of juice in it, tops.

        He claimed they were swelling. He couldn't explain why he drank one anyway, or why the second, unopened, now warm bottle wasn't swollen anymore.

        He got his money back >:/

        • A real grasstown scumbag move indeed.

          • @OzBrogains: Yet within the policy. Only jas0nt could turn a loss into a victory

            • @grasstown: In this instance, sure, happy to admit I wouldn't abuse their policy. Because I'm not a sack of manure like yourself.

              • @OzBrogains: Whatever helps you sleep at night. Maybe some warm milk too

  • +1

    my reading of the OP's Costco satisfaction guarantee is a whole lot of hoo-haa - sounds wonderful, promises nothing except a refund of your membership fee which is probably pro-rata’d anyway.

    like ads for whitegoods 'We Stand Behind the Product We Sell' - with a picture of staff standing behind the product they sell - suggests warranty, legally promises nothing.

    or ads for 'Quality' products or services - suggests 'good' but legally meaningless - like we sell 'size shoes' - the obvious question is What size shoes - What Quality - poor, average or good ?

    when I learned Australian consumer law implied warranty - it was 'reasonable life' - some have said 8-12 years for a TV

    if it failed within that time, the purchaser would have a right to their choice of repair, replacement or refund.

    this appears to have been narrowed in ACCC definitions -

    'Generally, if the problem is minor, the seller can choose whether to remedy the problem with a replacement, repair or refund. If you choose to repair and it takes too long, the consumer can get someone else to fix the problem and ask you to pay reasonable costs, or reject the good and get a full refund or replacement.

    If the problem is major or cannot be fixed, the consumer can choose to:
    - reject the goods and obtain a full refund or replacement, or
    - keep the goods and seek compensation for the reduction in value of the goods.

    A purchased item has a major problem when it:
    - has a problem that would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about it
    - is significantly different from the sample or description
    - is substantially unfit for its common purpose and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time
    - doesn’t do what the consumer asked for and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time; or
    - is unsafe.'
    - https://www.accc.gov.au/business/treating-customers-fairly/c…

    It used to be an old trick in markets for shops to put large signs 'NO REFUNDS' to deter people from bringing failed products back - but this was legally misleading and deceptive as they could not exclude consumer law - and the meaning was limited to 'if you change your mind, or don't like the colour, or want to return an unwanted gift' type claims - which are not covered by implied warranty.

    • You might be right (I am not a lawyer) but, it says:

      On Merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell and will refund your purchase price

      There is nothing more after this (save for some specific exclusions, which doesn't help with the confusion since TVs for example are not excluded.) It could be read as black and white (I am probably more in this camp as I tend to take things "as written") or it could be read as vague or even "hoo-haa" :) by which I take it you mean BS.

      Certainly people have had varying experiences by the looks of it. So what is the guarantee actually? I think it would be better if Costco made the policy crystal clear to avoid confusion. (This is why T&Cs often go over many pages.) For example if they at least said "we'll refund you if you're not happy within reason" then at least they have expressed that there is discretion or whatever in the process. As it is it's open to interpretation (however reasonable or unreasonable it may be) and that surely causes confusion.

  • +3

    Costco staff provided incorrect information in the early years. My Vacuum cleaner stopped working after 2.5 years (warranty was 1 year) and Costco simply refused that it is out of warranty, despte continuous membership.
    In another incident, the price of carpet my friend purchased reduced by $70 in 35 days. Costco refused refund price difference mentioning policy of 30 days (worse than Aldi). He was so pissed off that he brought old carpet from home and returned it, mentioning the minor fault (a thread coming out). They refunded the money reluctantly and he bought new carpet at new reduced price.
    Costco is not good in everything. I am still using it as it save enough money on petrol to compensate membership.

  • +2

    Compare electricity use of a new led/lcd vs your now dead plasma, it breaking saves you money, best thing that could have happened has happened.

  • -1

    It's a plasma that had 7 years life. They're heavy, hot and consume crazy amounts of power and it would only be 720 possibly 1080 do yourself a favour and get a nice 4k smart tv maybe an OLED if you can afford it and move on you'll be amazed by how far panels have advanced 👍

    • Content has come a long way too.

      For standard content (i.e not 4K) I think you will find the plasma picture is still pretty good. We have a q60 in the lounge and a 9.5 year old plasma upstairs(stays off at the wall most of the time), and unless we are actually watching 4K content, I wouldn’t say the q60 is heaps better…

  • -2

    Seriously, are businesses allowed to make false advertising and get away with 'use your common sense' without any legal consequences?

    • They literally don't advertise this anywhere though.

      • Them or not, I am genuinely asking.

  • Costco, at least Costco Canberra, have a we’ll do what we feel like warranty.

    We had 6 members in our family of 10, each of them recall being told about the “unlimited warranty”. In fact when we bought our first tv from there, I asked to negotiate the price and was told I needed to factor in an unlimited extended warranty “for all of our purchase for $60 a year” by staff. Luckily we haven’t had the tv or anything large go bad, but I have seen people having a few discussions.

    I’ve also had experiences where I’ve been treated like I’ve committed a heinous crime for returning some unopened headphones (yes sealed) when I know pretty much no other store would have had an issue, and on the other hand also had them apologise repeatedly about the trouble I’ve had when I returned a faulty fan 9 months after purchase.

    My dad absolutely loves Costco because they do eventually give in to your ACL, but I don’t like buying anything from them that might need a warranty.

    OP, I’d suggest you contact Samsung, they might be willing to help out. My plasma is 9.5 years old now and it’s still going strong, my brothers is 8, my best friends is 9. In fact I don’t know anyone who has had their tv screen just die. I had a 6year (including HN extended )warranty on mine, and would have been pretty disappointed if it died in 7…

    How long do you guys think a 4-5000 tv should last anyhow?

    • I’ll answer my own question.

      The ATO believes a TV has a useful life of 10 years. I’d say you should be able to point Samsung to the below page:

      https://www.ato.gov.au/Forms/Rental-properties-2019/?page=12

      You may even be able to reason with Costco. I think you have more chances with Samsung though.

      • Good luck with that acl is based on a case by case determined by purchase price and expected life. op purchased it from costco it's acl rights lies with them not Samsung when it comes to warranty

      • +1

        It is a good thing that the ACL isn't subject to what the ATO thinks.

    • The answer is a piece of string there is no set guidelines and its a case by case basis determined by purchase price etc, when it comes to warranty it's not Samsung's responsibility it's of costco willing to play ball and pay for repairs refund or just refuse as that's where op purchased it from..

      • I see ATO guidelines for effective life as pretty black and white personally. ACL actually gives the consumer the option to go to the manufacturer or retailer for a remedy.

        The piece of string is a cop out from our law makers. I think if one govt organisation can pick a number out of a hat, we should be entitled to rely on it as a guideline at least!

        • +1

          The ATO should stick what they knows best and let the ACCC and fair trading deal with consumer affairs.

          • @whooah1979: Yeah the retailers or manufactures would laugh at what the ato recommends 😂

            • @solidussnake: Have you read this: http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VCAT…

              I agree that it isn't 10 years, but 8 is a lot closer to 10 than the 5 year average others in this thread have been suggesting.

              I don't think anyone would disagree that the ATO need to come up with better depreciation guidelines, and fair trading needs to be given some actual enforcement powers; but that doesn't stop you using the published documents to support your case…

              • @AG_ACT: Yeah that tv was 2.5 years old 🤦‍♂️ like I said it's based on a case base senario, electronics are garbage these days and nothing lasts like it use too…

                • @solidussnake: The price of electronics are also lower than they have ever been before….

                  Considering you can get a decent 65" TV for $1500 now that would have cost $6000 10 years ago i think lifespan is relative to cost.

                  Interesting read below, home appliance used to be insanely expensive… yes they lasted 20 years and at those price yes you would repair them !

                  https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/appliance-shopping-1959-vs-20…

                  Bottom Line: The typical American consumer/factory worker in 1959 would have had to work more than a month (4.5 weeks) at the average hourly wage then to earn enough income to purchase a Sears washer-dryer combination. Today’s typical, and very fortunate consumer/worker would have to work for less than 4 days, not more than 4 weeks, to earn enough income to purchase a washer-dryer combination. Measured in the amount of time working at the average hourly wage to earn enough income to purchase a washer-dryer combination, the “time cost” of those two appliances together has fallen by 83%, from 181.8 hours in 1959 to only 31 hours today.

  • Your talking about rental property deductions which is far from what op is having troubles with.. Your saying if I paid $1 for a tv and op paid $2k we should both get 10 years use out of it 🤦‍♂️

    Btw ato guides are different to acl
    Ato deductions
    Acl expected life of a product

    • I'm fully aware of what the ATO guidelines are. But if I am expected to depreciate a TV as an asset over 10 years, wouldn't it make logical sense that the TV should last 10 years. Sorry I didn't spell that out.

      Here's a judge, applicant and manufacturer agreeing that a $1350 tv should last 8 years.
      http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VCAT…

      I'm saying if you paid 3k+ for a TV, you should be able to expect 10 years out of it. Anything less than that, I think it should be roughly equal to price/$300. (The $300 figure again, is an ATO figure, it's the cap on what you can write off instantly for a rental property)

  • Welcome to the year 2020 you should be glad that your electronics last for more than 24 months.

    FYI there is no such thing as a forever warranty for electronics.

    …unless the electronic is mark up few 100x of the cost price like LV.

  • This is still going? Answer, 'of course it doesn't' /thread

  • Personally, I would say that good thing that your TV popped and went dead.

    Technology has changed in seven yrs, and plasma is super power hungry.
    Seven yrs is a good run.

    Get a new TV mate, most of them have new features that you never realised. You will enjoy your new purchase.

    And yes, agree that Costco should have explained it better- lifetime warranty sometimes is not the users lifetime, but the appliance lifetime, which is - depending on the appliance, quite limited.

  • IT Networking equipment from some vendors has a lifetime warranty, so it is not completely unheard of. I have seen companies throwing out old broken stuff, unaware they could get it replaced under warranty.

  • Had a decent Panasonic plasma TV last from 2004 until 2019. Probably set up for disappointment with all future TVs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • Please check my case:
    I bought Sony TV STV1000 from JB HF for 1000 AUD 7 years ago
    I also bought Sony TV STV1000 from Costco for 1100 AUD 7 years ago. I paid 100 AUD extra for the warranty.
    A Mate bought the same TV STV1000 for 1100 AUD from costco the same day

    Only my TV 2 failed last night. Is it OK for me to feel not fully satisfied because 100AUD cheaper product elsewhere got me and others a better product. Two other purchases are still functioning.

    I would expect the warranty to be upheld. Costco should accept my faulty TV

    • I would expect you to exercise common sense and be happy you got 7 years out of your TV.

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