How do you do it? How do you get off the disability pension?
How do you get off the Disability Support Pension?
bargain huntress on 15/01/2020 - 20:30
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step 1: say no
step 2: ?…
step 3: say no nono
step 4: profit!
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where would you suggest i ask such a question?
Centrelink?
if you ask them any question in any way, they can/have/do decide that your question indicates a 'change in circumstances' and trigger a review.
a review requires me to spend a small fortune seeing all my doctors in a short period of time to collect updated letters and forms. (which i could not afford to do right now)
it also fills some of my family members with terror, anxiety and worry.
it even upsets one of my doctors.so i don't feel like talking to them is really a good option
@bargain huntress: Completely agree with you. The rottweilers in Government will do anything to take people off these services. Some of the stories you hear are truly heartbreaking and disgusting. They seems to be no end of "entitlements" these politicans have but they have no qualms about removing the ability for others to live on the meagre levels they allow for these services.
@try2bhelpful: Surely Tony deserves his lifelong pension after convincing the public that it was in their best interests to tank the real NBN and the carbon tax. /s
@bargain huntress: But you want a change in circumstances and to trigger a review. That's how you get your status changed.
It might be unpleasant but that's what you want.
that you even need to ask suggests you shouldn't.
see above
Go overseas for more than a month.
I don't have enough money to go overseas!
(i don't have enough money to go anywhere.)
that's one of the reasons I want to get off it.
Hopes and prayers
already tried
for years
zero success so far
post on youtube and Scott will reply u
It will likely depend on what your disability is. You could sign up with an organisation who could help find you work. They might have contacts with companies that employ disabled people. If you qualify for the NDIS you may be able to get supports that can improve your chance and job prospects.
Reality is. its hard enough to get a job without a disability. If you have one you’re quite disadvantaged.
thank you for taking my question seriously.
i am about to find out if i qualify for ndis. if i stop procrastinating.
since the ndis started disability support organisations of various kinds - such as occupational ones - seem to have all of a sudden sprouted up everywhere like weeds.
it reminds me of all the insulation businesses that appeared and then disappeared with the government subsidy incentive thing a few years ago.
i am quite concerned about the quality and trustworthiness of these orgs.The home insulation scheme was terminated a decade ago. Just realising that time line and mention of procrastination is a little alarming! Particularly if you want off disability support. How long have you been on? What have you done to get off? I have a close family member who was 21 and needed spine surgery, he was on disability after, found the programs can be hit and miss but he tried various ones looking for work. He eventually opted for a job he found himself and has been working ever since off the benefit, albeit in horrific pain :/ Good luck but it's really what you are prepared to do and take I suppose.
Stay on DSP. Look for work. You can earn $250 a fortnight before losing payment. Unfortunately the reality is you likely won’t get a job or hold one. As employers won’t want your issues. The job market is tough most jobs have dozens of people ahead of you that are perfectly healthy.
Not sure where You got that information from?
https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centre…
I agree with the stay on the pension as it has a lot a confessional benefits. As for the no one will employ you that is completely wrong too. The government provides subsidies for employing people with disabilities a lot of the time.
If you can beat the paywall, Crikey had a good article about how these orgs are just for milking money from the govt and are even more useless at helping you get a job than the non-disability related ones.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/12/19/disability-employment-s…
Like mantez said you can be on DSP and work, you just have to report your income, so you're best off doing that & steering clear of these scammer pricks that'll just drive you to suicide for a buck.
seem to have all of a sudden sprouted up everywhere like weeds.
I know a few people who have started these businesses. They genuinely just want to help people.
One of them was actually working, unpaid, for a client for months because NDIS never paid them. They did it unpaid because they cared so much about their client, and then had to actually cease services until NDIS paid them. Once they paid, it was back to normal though.
There are always going to be assholes, but hopefully, in this field, people do it because they legitimately care and want to help.
Try and look for organisations which have been established for very long periods of time. That way you know they aren't fly by night operations seeking a quick buck like the home insulation debacle.
this joke represents a real belief people have
why do people think this?
i do not have enough income
i can barely survive
and only do so with charity from my family
Tbf, your question was a bit vague. I guessed the intention, but did spend a while wondering if it was somehow difficult to end the pension payments without doctors supporting the decision.
You really want to know how to get a job while having some form of disability I suppose?
If it’s a cognitive impairment you automatically qualify for employment with the LNP coalition
being a politician in ANY party requires;
skills if not qualifications,
the ability to put in many hours work beyond full time,
and possibly also a sociopathic braini do not have any of these
Get off it in what sense? What is keeping you on it?
Are you depending on it for income, and looking for tips to find work with a disability and remove the dependency?
Or are you no longer eligible for disability payments and unsure how to inform Centrelink that you've found a job/shaman?thank you for taking my question seriously.
the first one.
every review all i want is for them to tell me i can work, kick me onto newstart, and be forced to at least pretend to help me find a job.
instead every review my doctors and their doctors write crushing soliloquies about how terrible i am and how i can never ever work.
p.s. if you know any shaman who can fix me please point me right at them
You dont need people to tell you that you can work.
Just go out and sell your disire to work to potential employers.Honestly have no idea how this works. Are you not allowed to work? Can’t you simply look for a job yourself?
What difference would it make to have their help versus looking on seek and applying by yourself? It seems like either way you’d still have to convince the company that you are able to do the work in whatever condition you are in.
if you think you're capable of doing some work, work? No one's forcing you onto it.
Newstart doesn't help you find work. They say they do, but in reality they're just forcing you to apply for shitty jobs.
If you find a job that you're capable of doing, ain't no one gonna stop you.
Without knowing anything about your condition, the critical point is top start looking for small roles, to test your abilities and make sure you can do it, and safely. You're probably better to stay on disability support while you do that. The disability pension still let's you work, and earn some income. Pension will get slightly reduced based on income earned.
If you go straight to Newstart, you risk not getting paid if you don't satisfy the criteria every fortnight.
If you just want newstart because it's a higher payment (i have no idea) but never intend actually working, then sorry, but no, that's not how it works.
Why can't you go out and look for a job yourself?
Really? I'm shit scared they'll kick me off DSP onto Newstart.
It might be demoralising hearing that shit from them, but there is nothing stopping you from getting a job while on DSP - you just have to report your income & they lower the DSP amount accordingly - it isn't either or people do both if they can.
Edit: Though there is an hours per fortnight limit so check that!
Start low at some part time thing so you don't get cut off income wise & can get a feel for what you're really capable of - if you've been on DSP for ages expecting to jump into full time work, especially something decently paid, is completely unrealistic. You have to work your way up to find the limits of your disability and also any other secondary stuff that crops up from being out of the workforce so long.
For every dollar you earn you lose like 50c of DSP or something like that - the income and asset limits for DSP are way higher than Newstart, AFAIK they're the same as the aged pension. eg: I still get a part pension with a partner working full time
Nah DSP is a really pretty good in terms of letting you work if you're on it.
The government doesn't want you to be poor, just because you're disabled. They also realise that it's good for one's mental health to be employed, and not just because of extra money, but because of the feeling of being valued and competent, and socially connected.
Seems you're able to check the info yourself regarding max time and monetary limits. If ever unsure, ask Centrelink (3 hour telephone wait intensifies).
Finding it hard to believe the doctor thinks you can't work when you think you can.
Shine some light on what is your 'disability'?Why the scepticism? It's not a 'disability' if multiple doctors agree on a diagnosis..
@ankor: Because chronic fatigue or back pain or fibromyalgia is not a disability
and yet many doctors are pressured to sign off to avoid political trouble
Be careful what you wish for. The job agencies contracted by the government to handle Newstart participants are absolutely woeful. You’re better off looking for a job yourself.
You are allowed to work and earn some money (can't remember the threshold, but it's a couple of hundred dollars per fortnight from memory) without it even impacting your DSP. Talk to Centrelink about the exact details of the threshold. Plenty of people work a few hours a week to supplement the DSP payment. After that threshold you lose I think 50cents in every dollar you earn off your DSP. It's a sliding scale.
DSP is specifically designed NOT to have massive financial barriers for people who are in receipt of the payment and want to "dip your toes in the water" of employment. If you think about it, the government wants to encourage people to work if it means they don't have to pay as much pension in the long run!
If you feel you could work 8 hours per week, you can voluntarily participate in a Disability Employment Services program (government funded - free to you if you're on DSP).
If you seriously want them to put you on newstart (why would you do this if you have no money) nobody is forcing you to take this, or any payment. I hear and respect your frustration about not wanting to be on DSP for the rest of your life, but complaining that the government won't let you work and is forcing you to take DSP is plain wrong.
you want to get off it, is the great Australian dream to get on it.
ring centerlink up, record the call, tell them to cancel it, and if you keep receiving it you are not to blame, and will not ring up again
yes my life is a dream
not being able to buy my own home
not being able to pay all my bills
not being able to pay for much of anything that isn't a necessity
and then tuning into talk back radio by accident to find out that i am a dole bludger pretending to be disabled, or turning on the tv and hearing the same thing from whichever politician has currently decided to court the people who call into talk back radiopretty sure they wouldn't let me slip through the cracks if it meant giving me LESS money
Can you detect sarcasm?
can you?
how do you find out that you're "a dole bludger pretending to be disabled" when you're not "a dole bludger pretending to be disabled". You don't become something you're not just because someone said it on talk back radio.
it takes a toll on my self esteem
@bargain huntress: But you know its not true. you can't please everybody and it isn't helpful to let your self-esteem be affected by some air from a nobody on shitty radio.
everyone has their shitty opinions. don't let them win.
@[Deactivated]: you are right of course.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/30/no-one-inferior/
the problem is i feel bad to terrible about being a lifelong pensioner, and therefore i give everyone that permission i guess.
the problem is i feel bad to terrible about being a lifelong pensioner
I think you need to ask yourself why you feel terrible about being a lifelong pensioner. This is your due and you jumped the hoops to get it.
therefore i give everyone that permission i guess.
so you feel bad about being a lifelong pensioner so you have to let other people make you feel bad about being a lifelong pensioner?
stop worrying about what other people think. you can own your own home just take little lady i deal with is on DSP for life she own her own home. look at how little New start people get try live off that.
Tell it that they are really pretty and hot and it should get off nicely on those compliments or send it some nudes.
great advice
sexting centrelink now
Well, you are 100% single
i don't understand your comment
It was in response to Alienc and his smooth moves
@timthetoolman: ohhhh
well that is hilarious nowi wish the automatic @ing and the indenting worked better here. i resort to doing @s myself a lot to avoid confusion. but it is still always a bit confusing even then.
How do I get on the disability support pension? Where can I sign up?
first go to a million doctors and get them to fill out reams of paperwork
then head to a centrelink office and see more doctors and fill out more reams of paperworkmany trees will die
now centrelink has discovered computers some of them will die in a more round about way via global warmingdo you already have a disability or will you be needing to maim yourself first?
Centrelink won't send you to more doctors, in fact they're more likely to ignore doctors/specialist opinion and dissect the writing of any doctor used for an application (or during a review). Honestly I am surprised you are on it due to their diagnosed, treated, stabilised and arbitrary internal 20 points of disability criteria.
They also never use Doctors internally for opinion within Centrelink (they will call your doctor/specialist), paper pushers or physiotherapists at most (judging DSP claims).
Not quite true, they do use their own doctors for the final opinion after the reams of paper and months of living without any type of payment. It took over 4 months before a family member was approved for a disability pension or received any type of payment.
@lvagg59: @Ivagg
at least they made it and can now look forward to a bleak future that is technically less bleak than it could have been / was
@Bamboozle
in fact they're more likely to ignore doctors/specialist opinion and dissect the writing of any doctor used for an application (or during a review). Honestly I am surprised you are on it due to their diagnosed, treated, stabilised and arbitrary internal 20 points of disability criteria.
so am i. i wonder sometimes if they are afraid of how much science one of my doctors puts into the forms. i have visions of their brains melting and then them just giving up and stamping approved.
another one of my doctors literally just writes one sentence letters though
@Bamboozle
They also never use Doctors internally for opinion within Centrelink (they will call your doctor/specialist), paper pushers or physiotherapists at most (judging DSP claims).
No Ivagg is correct.
I saw one of their internal doctors in-person - i think maybe at a centrelink facility not sure though - when i applied - but that was years ago.
and one via video calling when i was 'cracked down on' in one of the many i have lived through to tell the tale before they realised it was costing more money than it was saving and cancelled it https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/25/government-s…
@bargain huntress: How certain are you that it was an actual doctor of medicine? Just wondering, because of what I know about the system within centrelink.
@Oofy Doofy: the first one was a long time ago so i'm only sort of sure.
the second recent one via video i'm pretty fairly sure - i don't think he worked exclusively for centrelink, i think i remember he said he was contracted.
have you worked at the linkcentre or experienced their charms yourself?
@bargain huntress: Family members who work for Centrelink, and family who have needed to go through the process for welfare payments due to disability.
Centrelink require a review by Drs they appoint to examine applicants for DSP. Even after being granted DSP, there are further reviews by Drs appointed by Centrelink.
It depends on the medical condition. A requirement is that the applicant can't work for more than a certain number of hours. So that needs to be assessed in many cases.
Get a DR or specialist to report whatever disability you have (for which you qualified for the dsp) no longer is present, or severe enough to warrant continuing to get the dsp but you can now look for work and go on unemployment benefit and get find a job support
thank you for taking my question seriously (i think?)
but it is still present, and it is still severe enough to warrant continuing, according to my doctors and their doctors, at my last recent review.
?
Maybe you should trust those opinions from qualified medical professionals.
Cant work
Cant afford to live
No plan or remediation to help treat them.What are they supposed to do then?
Just call up Centrelink and cancel.
and then?
Work (ideally habe somethingn lined up). Huntfor work. Use that internal drive you have to succeed.
The topic is how to get off.
Not how do I find a job to get off disability pension.
@netjock: sorry i was not more clear, but i did not mean the question as simply as 'how do i cancel the pension?', i meant 'how do i become able to support myself so that i can cancel the pension?'
@bargain huntress: We don't know your level of disability so it is pretty hard. We could tell you being a translator is good money but being deaf might be your disability.
You should really give correct context.
Alms for an ex-leper?
ironically yours is one of the more helpful suggestions
it's not like i live in the Himalayas where alms are a regular custom
there would also be no religious belief involved to protect me from poisoning
If you have a go, you get a go…
i don't understand you
He’s saying, if you make a job out of getting a job then chances are you will find a job
If you say a slogan you get a slogan.
Scomo. is that you?
Its depressing to think how many people will read this comment and unironically agree with it.
I know someone who is about to cancel there dole because they just got a small inheritance, They dont have a job though. They cant figure out the rules and dont want any trouble. They are going to cancel it through the online portal
How much is this small inheritance, you be surprised what people do for money these days, you knows ppls worth to what they go to do with irrelevant things. Who is this lucky person you speak of, do tell the fans the suspense is killing me.
huh? They dont feel lucky because they have to give up their dole and watch their savings go down
Simple solution put it all into a house .
I know it’s rocket science , and I’m not even a financial planner.
Tell them to give away the inheritance then. How whiny do you have to be to not be happy about free money?
@HighAndDry: Exactly the dole is to support those that struggle to support themselves. There are employment programs that dont require centre link. Double dipping on the dole, while an anomaly, still takes money from others more needy.
Whoa they must be so rich that, they can put it down for a house straight up cash you say, well if you ask me if I was rich and have million bucks to spend, I’d tell you I’ll always pass up to be a millionaire. Cause there is one man who taught me true value of a dollar and a true man should live, let’s just say 8 years ago this very humble man, who I call uncle saved my life from a disability I got after some bad things happen back then.
They say if it wasn’t for that man who always been there for me, till this day, that night, I would of died in my dreams. Best way showing this wonderful man the true big boss gratitude is by not letting him down when the world treated him like he’s nothing, cause he not rich or has anyone he can count on. That’s my true role Model to that man who gave away everything.
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Just say no.