Hand Sanitiser not available

s26f84 on 22/03/2020 - 09:36
Last edited 22/03/2020 - 10:45 by 1 other user

I have underlying medical condition and I am at very high risk if I get this virus. I want to take this opportunity, to say to all horders and people selling hand sanitisers at massive markups, that karma will bite you one day!

I am normal person with normal salary, I have been to supermarkets and unable to source any sanitiser. Ebay has auctions going on at more than 10x the actual price. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/76241/aqium-antibact… should be around $15.

Currently washing hands 20 to 30 times a day and it's crazy routine! Life is not same. People be considerate and think about other humans. Daigou's must stop f'in shyt too.

Health & Beauty Hand Sanitiser

Comments

  • dylanando on 22/03/2020 - 09:43
    +1

    If you lived in brisbane I could hook you up with some!

    • samfisher5986 on 22/03/2020 - 10:32

      Do you know where to buy it in Brisbane?

    • s26f84 on 22/03/2020 - 11:40

      Thabks mate. I am in perth.

      • Aerith-Waifu on 24/03/2020 - 03:31
        +2

        Go to the RedDot store in Carousel Shopping Centre.

        I bought one yesterday and they had bucket loads left.

        You won’t like the prices that’s why it’s not selling that fast.

        Ring first thing tomorrow before you go and tell them to keep one for you as you have a condition.

        It’s $35 for 1 litre

        By the way this has nothing to do with Daigou as things like hand sanitizer can’t be sent by mail.

        It’s the people who are selling them on eBay been buying them

        • andyhwl on 25/03/2020 - 15:11
          +1

          $35 is a good price at the moment. I have seen much higher.

          • Jackson on 25/03/2020 - 20:32
            +2

            @andyhwl: This can't be true? Why not just guy soap and wash your hands, it's the preferred method anyway

            • Ghost47 on 25/03/2020 - 21:29
              +2

              @Jackson: Maybe when people are out… walking in the supermarket touching stuff etc. I do agree that soap appears to be more effective, not as practical though.

        • andyhwl on 30/03/2020 - 13:06
          +1

          @Jackson
          I agree hand washing is effective, but you can't have a wash station everywhere you go.
          Say after I use the bathroom at work. After I wash my hand there are 5 doors before I get back to my desk.
          Most doors I would be touching with a paper towel in hand, then I would use alcohol wipe when I enter the front door of my work place and then use hand sanitiser at my desk..

      • goku on 24/03/2020 - 14:46
        +1

        I found some at St Francis pharmacy in Subiaco near Woolworths.
        250ml for $20. They are making their own.

        • samfisher5986 on 24/03/2020 - 15:42
          +4

          Does it contain real gold flakes or something?

  • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2020 - 09:56
    +8

    Currently washing hands 20 to 30 times a day and it's crazy routine!

    It has been routine for many of us for as long as we can remember.

    I have been to supermarkets and unable to source any sanitiser.

    Make your own.

    • s26f84 on 22/03/2020 - 11:43
      +1

      Unable to source raw materials even. I was try Jaycar again

      • gmail92 on 23/03/2020 - 15:48
        -2

        Jaycar is typically an electronics store; not somewhere you would generally go for cleaning supplies or chemicals.

        • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2020 - 16:08
          +13

          Jaycar likely stocks isopropyl alcohol which is the key ingredient

          • R4 on 24/03/2020 - 16:46

            @[Deactivated]: Altronics normally do - $29 for 2l - but currently have none available. Ring up and reserve some if they are getting new stock.

            Blackwoods are another source - a friend bought $20l for about $120 just as the crisis was breaking. I'd imagine that that kind of price has long since sailed!

      • iDroid on 23/03/2020 - 16:31
        -4

        One possible option is alcohol (vodka?) with > 60% alcohol. Not ideal, but may be better than nothing if you're in a pinch.

        • gambino on 23/03/2020 - 18:30

          you cannot use vodka see the conversation

          • iDroid on 23/03/2020 - 20:38

            @gambino: As I stated it must be greater that 60% alcohol - did you read the article you linked?

            I quote from the linked article:

            Balkan 176, the strongest vodka available in the UK, comes in at a staggering 88% ethanol. This could be used to make another 66% alcohol hand sanitiser with three parts vodka to one part aloe vera.

            You can use vodka if it is high enough alcohol.

            It is not as good as 70 - 90% preparations, but it still works 100% better than nothing.

            As I said:

            Not ideal, but may be better than nothing if you're in a pinch.

            • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 20:41
              +3

              @iDroid: I have 150 proof Rum, which is 75% alcohol, it is probably better for me to use it as sanitiser than to drink it.

              • iDroid on 23/03/2020 - 20:44
                +2

                @try2bhelpful: No no nonononoonono..

                That's NOT what you do.

                You quarantine for 21 days, then we get together and drink that sucker.

                (splash a little on hands to shake first of course)

                • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 21:00

                  @iDroid: This is over proof Bacardi Gold. You don’t so much drink it as inhale a small amount. You can’t buy it now, apparently there were too many accidents with flaming drinks. It comes with a flame arrester and a whole label of warnings. Pre 911 we brought some back from America in hand luggage. It leaked a little in flight and denatured some of the label. Read the wiki on it.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_151

                  You could get it from Dans, at one point, but Bacardi don’t make it anymore.

                  It is fun to give a little bit to people and watch their reaction.

                  • iDroid on 23/03/2020 - 21:12

                    @try2bhelpful: Hmm, right, drinks are off.

                    Though, let's see what happens… In desperate times….

                    • try2bhelpful on 24/03/2020 - 09:45

                      @iDroid: I was more talking from a health perspective, and it was tongue in cheek. You really don’t want to have much of this stuff, neat. In my case drinks, certainly, aren’t off. I’ve got a 256 bottle wine fridge to get through, before I succumb.

                      • iDroid on 24/03/2020 - 10:19
                        +2

                        @try2bhelpful: Seems your post got cut short and your address was cut off again.

                        • try2bhelpful on 24/03/2020 - 10:32
                          +1

                          @iDroid: If we both survive, and you make it to Melbourne, PM me and I’ll give you a drink of it. Not so much hair on your chest as turn you into a Wookie, the growl and all.

              • Ash SA on 23/03/2020 - 23:32

                @try2bhelpful: *then drink it :D. not /s

          • iDroid on 23/03/2020 - 20:42

            @gambino: Also from linked article:

            Compared with WHO formulation
            How do these homemade recipes compare with the WHO formulations? Well, not too badly since both contain the alcoholic active ingredient and an emollient. The problem might be that the 66% alcohol concentration is towards the lower end of the effective range.

            Studies have shown that higher alcohol concentrations work better, and we know that the WHO 75% isopropanol or 80% ethanol formulations can kill other coronaviruses. The homemade products may not be strong enough to inactivate the virus quite as effectively as the WHO formulation. On the other hand, some commercial hand sanitisers contain as little as 57% alcohol, so these homemade products would be better than that.

            Don't get me wrong - ALWAYS PREFER THE REAL DEAL if you can get it. But these are something to use in an emergency.

            • gambino on 24/03/2020 - 18:27

              @iDroid: it would seem I poked the bear with the link I provided.

              i'm am also thankful that you managed to find the outlier of Balkan 176.

              I negged you as your advice was too general and provided information that could be interpreted incorrectly my some… But hey… seems you are just like our Chief Medical Officer and PM, as long as you keep feeding information to the masses surely someone will believe you!

              • iDroid on 24/03/2020 - 19:49

                @gambino:

                too general and provided information that could be interpreted incorrectly my some… But hey… seems you are just like our Chief Medical Officer and PM, as long as you keep feeding information to the masses surely someone will believe you!

                No you glossed over the specifics of what I said and gave terrible advice in the context of what I said.

                I explicitly said that it must be over 60% and that it is not ideal, but may be better than nothing if you're in a pinch.

                You then stated that vodka categorically can not be used. Heck if I had nothing else, that 60% vodka is going to do a hell of a lot compared to doing nothing especially if someone is immunosuppressed.

                I get that you are acting on the butt load of poor advice on "just make your own" advice online, but I qualified what I suggested.

                Sure the Balkan 176 being an outlier (that's in the UK, no idea about relevance to that statement here, could be worse or better here) but you also conveniently gloss over the fact lower ethanol (eg 60% as stated) absolutely do work but not as efficiently, that is, the time to achieve the same effect takes longer. Let's make this clear - it does work, but not as efficiently as higher concentrations. Some commercial products only use 57%, but they still work, just not as efficiently as a 75% preparation.

                So, yeah bear poked, not with the link, with the comment that ignored the specifics of my post and ignored what I actually said.

                I'd get it if I posted "Just make your own with vodka, will work perfect", but that's clearly not what I said or implied.

                • gambino on 24/03/2020 - 22:05

                  @iDroid:

                  No you glossed over the specifics of what I said and gave terrible advice in the context of what I said.

                  uh…

                  One possible option is alcohol (vodka?) with > 60% alcohol. Not ideal, but may be better than nothing if you're in a pinch.

                  yep… your advice was as explicit as the PM and CMO…

                  …poke…

                  • iDroid on 24/03/2020 - 22:12

                    @gambino: I'm not sure of any sensible response to this.

                    I'll leave you to it.

                    • Blitzfx on 25/03/2020 - 00:59
                      +1

                      @iDroid: Sometimes you just have to walk away from disasters.

            • greatlamp on 26/03/2020 - 08:15

              @iDroid: Peak activity is 70%. You don't need to go higher, and using very high concentrations (90%+) is less effective

  • Meho2026 on 22/03/2020 - 10:00
    +12

    Just remember the next best alternative is washing your hands with soap for 20 seconds.
    Keep looking for local community posts, there are people out there with a sense of social responsibility addressing this.
    I heard a guy interviewed on FBI Radio in Sydney last week. He was in Marickville, using his personal alcohol still to make hand sanitiser. He is not charging any money and he put out a call for volunteers to distribute it. Theres now an army ready to deliver it to the elderly and those in need.
    We do have people out there doing the right thing so dont lose faith.

    • Domingo on 23/03/2020 - 18:41
      +13

      From what I've understood the coronavirus structure is essentially a fatty layer with genetic material inside, so washing your hands with soap is the better option with hand sanitiser being the next best alternative. Soap breaks apart the fatty layer and makes the virus unable to infect you.

      • no not me on 24/03/2020 - 13:27
        +6

        Soap is always the better option. Hand sanitiser should only be used if you have minimal contact with dirt, and should actually be used (in an ideal setting) after washing your hands with soap. Antibacterial soap also does nothing more than regular soap, as practically nobody washes their hands long enough for the antibacterial agents to have any effect.

      • naturaldecay on 24/03/2020 - 14:00

        https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/12365493051895971…

        This is an authoritative source on the matter and they say essentially the same thing as you. Soap is amphiphilic, meaning it attracts fat molecules on one end and water on the other-this means it's excellent at literally tearing apart the virus. Soap is excellent, but according to the prof alcohol hand sanitiser is also good.

    • oztite on 24/03/2020 - 21:53
      +2

      This is something I never really get with the advise of hand washing:
      - touch door knob (now dirty)
      - turn on tap (now dirty)
      - thoroughly wash hands, kill all virus
      - hands clean
      - touch dirty tap to turn it off
      - touch dirty door knob

      end result = dirty hands

      Hand sanitiser:
      - Apply alcohol on hands that kills virus. End.

      Am I missing something here?

      • YellowDieselGolf on 25/03/2020 - 15:13
        +4

        Wash hands
        Use paper towel to turn off tap
        Dry hands
        Use paper towel to open bathroom door.

        I’ve been doing this for years because there’s a grot in my office who doesn’t wash his hands.

        • kiitos on 25/03/2020 - 18:22
          +2

          Me too, though I swap your 2nd and 3rd steps, uses more water but less chance for recontamination I think. Or do you use different paper towels for each step?

  • specks on 22/03/2020 - 10:01
    +23

    Isn't it better to wash your hands than replacing it with hand sanitiser??

    • mskeggs on 22/03/2020 - 10:43
      +30

      Sure, but if you need to visit the shops or whatever, you can't drag the sink along.

      • Zachary on 22/03/2020 - 15:44
        -4

        water bottle + soap + dry towel = clean hands; make sure water bottle is topped up every time when you get to a sink….

        Don't even have to do it near a sink, can just wash your hands anywhere….of course your soapy water could provide a trip and slip hazard for other people….but you don't need to worry about that if all you care about is clean sanitized hands.

        • Ughhh on 23/03/2020 - 13:07
          +2

          Don't even have to do it near a sink

          Where's the water gonna go if youre in the shops??

          • EyesWideOpen on 23/03/2020 - 16:53

            @Ughhh: Try a damp microfiber cloth soak in soapy water, put in zip lock bag. At least you can wipe your hands. Rinse off your hands later when you get a chance to.

            • Ughhh on 23/03/2020 - 17:01
              +1

              @EyesWideOpen: Yeh, but replying to Zacharys suggestion of using a water bottle and washing hands anywhere. A little impractical.

          • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 18:43
            +1

            @Ughhh: You can wash your hands, in the street, after having been in the shops.

          • Zachary on 23/03/2020 - 22:46

            @Ughhh: On the floor….

            of course your soapy water could provide a trip and slip hazard for other people….but you don't need to worry about that if all you care about is clean sanitized hands.

            • Ughhh on 23/03/2020 - 22:54
              +3

              @Zachary: You're seriously think making puddles on the floor in a mall is a sensible and practical move?

              I don't think I'm selfish and stupid enough to do that.

              • Zachary on 25/03/2020 - 03:06
                -2

                @Ughhh:

                You're seriously think making puddles on the floor in a mall is a sensible and practical move?

                Well, just maybe a little eccentric for doing so…might get some stares here and there but who cares? As long as you're clean, it's fine…

                I don't think I'm selfish and stupid enough to do that.

                Oh, if you're OCD and want to be as clean as possible and there's no bathrooms or toilets for a sink, and the thought of leaving yourself unclean is unspeakable and that the fact you don't care about about anyone else, you will do it…. I guess if you're not in a hurry, you could just pop outside and do the deed and then pop back inside….

                What about people fighting over toilet paper, is that sensible and practical move? Apparently yes in a pandemic such as this.

                • Ughhh on 25/03/2020 - 07:27
                  +1

                  @Zachary: Selfish. Your worse than TP hoarders. I'm disgusted at your justification and reasoning.

                  • Zachary on 27/03/2020 - 22:52

                    @Ughhh: Hey, I'm just only trying to reason, you asked didn't you…?

      • LFO on 23/03/2020 - 13:52
        +1

        Wash hands when back home.

        Most shopping centers have superb bathroom facilities well.

        Lets not exaggerate.
        Clean hands are good but are only a must if touching personal things.
        Buying groceries, putting in bag, walk or drive home will not touch face or food.

        Clean hands are not essential when swimming, walking, running … just don't touch face, don't rub your eyes.
        Lets not panic with this one as well.

        • mskeggs on 23/03/2020 - 14:13
          +2

          Agreed, but for immunocompromised people they need to take additional measures, and the risks of problems are greater.
          I use your approach myself.

        • Zachary on 23/03/2020 - 22:47

          Doesn't help those fiddly people or those who just like touching things greatly….whenever they can, unconsciously….

      • alikazi on 24/03/2020 - 12:40

        When you're out about may be develop a strong discipline not to touch your face. Thats all you have to do. Every mall, plaza has toilet where you can wash your hands. I've been washing hands frequently for past 10 years as I observed how dirty people are. I dont touch my face when I am out. Also, hand sanitisers can be toxic to health if used too much due to chemicals.

      • lostn on 25/03/2020 - 23:50

        Sure, but if you need to visit the shops or whatever, you can't drag the sink along.

        The shops I go to have toilets with sinks.

        Limit your trips to the shops to as short as possible to reduce exposure. You should be able to handle a short trip, go to the toilet after and clean hands.

    • Meho2026 on 22/03/2020 - 12:19

      I am a health care worker and even before this our rules are use alcohol based hand rub every single time unless our hands are visibly dirty, then wash them. There are some exceptions, like C.Diff. alcohol doesnt kill it so is always a hand wash.

      • EyesWideOpen on 23/03/2020 - 16:50

        May I know what else alcohol doesnt kill but is high on risk list for people with weak immunity? Thanks.

    • AustriaBargain on 26/03/2020 - 01:24

      Some disabled people cannot reach a sink or don’t have the coordination to wash properly with soap. But they can slather their hands pretty easily still.

  • try2bhelpful on 22/03/2020 - 10:19
    +14

    Washing your hands is better than using a sanitiser. There are recipes for making your own sanitiser, you could look them up, online, and see if you can get the ingredients. Have you talked to your local Chemist to see if they are getting any stock. If so, they might hold you some because of your medical condition. You need to keep touching stuff to a minimum. Don’t touch escalator rails etc. The problem with sanitiser is prolonged, frequent, use stuffs up the natural good bugs on your hands. Best of luck.

    • bmerigan on 23/03/2020 - 20:35

      Main ingredient is hard to come by; isopropyl alcohol

      • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 20:45
        +2

        Not for me, I bought about 5l of 99% isopropyl when the man decided to make his own shaver cleaner, it seemed like overkill at the time. . It would help if I got some aloe vera gel as well.

        • bmerigan on 23/03/2020 - 20:56

          5L would have cost you a bit

          • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 21:03

            @bmerigan: Not when we bought it.

            • bmerigan on 23/03/2020 - 21:09

              @try2bhelpful: …
              When I went to buy some earlier this year for pre-paint prep I decided against it due to the price

              • try2bhelpful on 25/03/2020 - 17:11
                +1

                @bmerigan: Compared to the cost of the shaver cleaner it was still a bargain :)

      • Kkuba on 23/03/2020 - 20:51
        +1

        Use methylated spirits (Diggers brand).

        It's just 95% ethanol.

        • bmerigan on 23/03/2020 - 20:55

          Stinks though

        • try2bhelpful on 23/03/2020 - 21:04

          You need to dilute to, roughly, 75% to be most effective. Metho is good for Mozzie stings,

        • pharm86 on 23/03/2020 - 21:13
          -1

          +5% methanol

        • MeesusEff on 27/03/2020 - 11:52

          Seems to be less of metho available in WA compared to toilet paper.

  • punter1 on 22/03/2020 - 10:20
    +2

    Chemist Warehouse Turramurra has stock as of yesterday, Enya brand

  • JimmyF on 22/03/2020 - 10:48
    +6

    Currently washing hands 20 to 30 times a day and it's crazy routine!

    Not sure how Handsanitiser is going to help you? You'll be applying it 20-30 times a day instead of washing them.

    Washing them is cheaper.

    • try2bhelpful on 22/03/2020 - 10:56
      +1

      I think, most of us, would get close to washing our hands, roughly, 20 times a day, at the moment.

    • paraneoplastic on 22/03/2020 - 10:59
      +6

      As someone who has to wash hands frequently already - alcohol based hand rub is substantialy nicer on the hands - i am working in the fever clinic and if i had to wash my hands between each patient i saw instead of alcohol hand rub i'd have no skin left on my hands - and we would never be able to keep up with the flow of patients.

      • try2bhelpful on 22/03/2020 - 11:02
        +6

        All the best with your work. Keep safe.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/03/2020 - 11:13
        +1

        Try the "neutral" microshield. Since we changed to that, I haven't really bothered with alcohol. It feels so nice after a wash.

        • EyesWideOpen on 23/03/2020 - 16:56

          Is this better than the blue gel?

          • [Deactivated] on 23/03/2020 - 17:47
            +1

            @EyesWideOpen: Blue gel is just alcohol hand rub thing.

            This is a hand wash. Much better in every sense. Needs water.

    • Ughhh on 22/03/2020 - 11:09
      +1

      Imagine doing a grocery run, and heading out of the shops 10 times to the bathrooms, as oppose to using the hand sanitizer on the spot.

      • JimmyF on 22/03/2020 - 11:19
        -1

        Yes I understand that but the OP said

        underlying medical condition and I am at very high risk if I get this virus.

        Then they really shouldn't be out and about wondering the shops and should already be use to NOT touching their face etc if they are.

        Handsanitiser is sold out, you just can't say yes get some when there is none. OP might need to look at other products or ideas.

        A wet face washer in a ziplock bag so they can wipe over their hands for example.

        • Sage on 22/03/2020 - 14:59
          +2

          Where are you in Melbourne? We can probably help you find some.

          • kaleidoscope on 23/03/2020 - 20:27

            @Sage: @sage If you know someone in Melb can you pm me? I’m running low on the last bottle we have. Got a 9 mo old baby and a 70 year old parent in law at home. as she’s got couple of underlying conditions is at high risk. We are being extremely cautious whenever we return from grocery shop or from outside but one can never be too safe and with essentials like these disappearing from shelves it’s quite frustrating.

        • kiitos on 23/03/2020 - 13:16
          +1

          A wet face washer in a ziplock bag so they can wipe over their hands for example.

          But that would be single use, until you were able to later wash it?

          • JimmyF on 23/03/2020 - 14:26
            -1

            @kiitos:

            But that would be single use, until you were able to later wash it?

            Mostly, dishwashing liquid in the water will break the virus up, so you could get a couple of uses if needed.

            Or carry a few bags as required.

      • lostn on 26/03/2020 - 00:20

        Imagine doing a grocery run, and heading out of the shops 10 times to the bathrooms, as oppose to using the hand sanitizer on the spot.

        Use gloves. Much cheaper than washing hands 10 times.

  • StonedWizard on 22/03/2020 - 11:02
    +2

    It’s not always possible to wash your hands.

    Hand sanitiser is good on the go.

    • JimmyF on 22/03/2020 - 11:20
      -6

      Oh Wizard….. where do you plan on buying this magical Handsanitiser from? The point was its sold out.

      • StonedWizard on 22/03/2020 - 12:24
        +1

        @JimmyF - Stores around me are getting stock. The problem is people bulk buying it.

        People saying hand washing is enough. But it’s not always possible to wash your hands. Which is why hand sanitiser is good when you’re out and about.

        • JimmyF on 22/03/2020 - 12:27

          I haven't seen hand sanitiser in the stores for a good month! So you're lucky to have some then I guess!

          I did say in a comment above, if you can't get any try a wet face washer in a ziplock bag so they can at least wipe over their hands for example.

          Not as good, but also better than nothing if out and about and you can't get any HS.

          • bluesky on 22/03/2020 - 17:14

            @JimmyF: Just a thought. Maybe in addition to that, squeeze some (slightly diluted) handwash (we want it a bit watery), rub the hands with it, then wipe off with the wet face washer, as you suggested. Since it is said that soap can dissolve the lipid layer that surrounds the virus, maybe this will help destroy some?

            The downside is the soap stays longer on the hands, since wiping will not clean it off thoroughly. But this is presumably OK until one can get to a sink and wash properly again.

            I just tried it, and it felt OK. Better than nothing, if no hand sanitisers.

  • bakerindisguise on 22/03/2020 - 11:16
    +1

    I bought some to keep in the car from miniso. They keep it behind the counter but it's a fair bit more expensive (I think $8 but it's behind the counter) but it's better than eBay.

    • s26f84 on 22/03/2020 - 11:42
      +1

      I check and they said no. I will ask again today. Total number of confirmed cases are over 1000 now. There will be far more people in community now that are not aware that they were infected by these 1000 people :(.

      • jiberz on 22/03/2020 - 12:28

        Out of 4 times asking at woolies. I got 2 small 50ml bottles. Just have to keep trying.

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