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Trump is signing executive order to suspend immigration to US..I'm not sure it's large scale implications…open for discussion..
Trump Suspends Immigration Temporarily
pyramid on 21/04/2020 - 13:04
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Always blame the immigrants. Easy excuse for personal failures.
And an easy excuse for falling productivity growth too.
Care to comment on that?
@Other: There is no significant drop in productivity. The growth has slowed, but it has through other periods as well. Very little in life is perfectly linear or exponential. (https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/productivity).
Feel free to compare migration (https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart…) to GDP using the drop-down on the Productivity chart above.
Notice 2003 onwards where migration more often than not exceeds 50% of the country's population growth…. That is the same period when Australia's GDP really started growing at a rapid rate. Even GDP per capita continued increasing despite immigration. What's even more incredible is that DISPOSABLE INCOME has even continued to increase despite immigration!!! It's actually at high point. So again cutting it isn't suddenly going to make everyone wealthier.
I fully acknowledge there is more at play than simply immigration, but it certainly hasn't harmed the economy.
If we ban immigration, then that's probably the end of the country. The economy is gonna tank to oblivion and there are gonna be so many jobs across industries that we'll have no people to fill.
Or perhaps we just get clever and start training our people with skills we need rather than just shoving them into the university sausage factory and hoping somehow they come out with the skills we require.
I mean we did have a system that kind of worked like that until our great redhead leader blew it up.
@Other: The UK tried doing that with certain occupations, including financial incentives, easier pathways, a focus on trades. Guess what? There are still shortages because the jobs don't appeal or people don't want to stay in them long-term.
Are you telling me that you think there would be a way to convince Australians to move to rural areas to do the backbreaking work of farming? Spotty wi-fi, one lone local bar, etc. all for barely above minimum wage. I'd like to see that because I think if there was a way to do that it would have been done. Back in 2018, there were several ideas being thrown around including allowing Newstart and Youth Allowance workers to earn up to $5000 on farms without losing benefits. Any guesses on how that went? I'm pretty sure they even tried to push through the idea that those on newstart would have to work on farms to keep their benefits, but that went nowhere due to the strong resistance. Newstarters didn't want to do it, farmers didn't want people who were being forced to be there.
Aged care is becoming an in demand area, do you know what the job entails? Some highlights include full on toilet duties, cleaning up fecal matter from floors and walls, bathing, etc. all for just above minimum wage. I would love to see the promotional campaign for that. I think they should actually film a series of young Australian's reactions to it. Don't get me wrong, some would do it, but nowhere near the numbers that would be needed.
@thefinalproblems: Are you suggesting EVERY shortage of Job we have is solely due to people not wanting to do it? Is that really your suggestion?
Let me give you an example.
Someone I knew did an Environmental science degree. Unfortunately there is Not a skill shortage in that area.
She latter did Nursing, which does have a skill shortage and she got a Job.Can you explain to me how her getting an Environmental science degree was useful?
Sure it might be good for Universities who made an extra $40,000-$50,000 in revenue but was actually useful to Society?
(and please don't give me the crap that getting a degree is some kind of amazing life experience - well I guess in her example it was such a 'life affirming experience' she 'had' to get two).If we weren't stupid we would of said to her - don't do an Environmental science degree, but we didn't.
Or how about this -
We have too many lawyers in Australia, Everybody on earth knows this, but Universities keep pumping out lawyers - Why?
Because its cheap degree to provide for (just some books in a library) and they get higher than average revenue for the degree, so they are maximising profit.
So we have people training for a Job that they will never be able to get.
In fact even with the massive oversupply we recently had a new course provider offer it at a lower UAI! What a great way to build the necessary skills Australia needs!
Not only that - it is listed as an occupation in demand by the Government for Permanent Residency.
Do we realise how absolutely stupid this is?
Are we that idiotic? Yes, yes we are.
Sure it might be good for some big Law Firms who want an unlimited pool of lawyers to choose from (and keep wages low), but is it good for Society?
I mean even if we did all this to reduce the cost of lawyers - do people somehow have better access to Justice? Hahahahhahahaha. yeah, ok.In terms of 'bad' jobs - yes there are many 'bad' jobs in Australia, amazingly just like in Saudi Arabia/UAE/Dubai (yes I know the difference).
I mean in Saudi Arabia/UAE/Dubai you have temperature of 45c with people working construction (somehow my guess is that working in an oven is worse than working with the Elderly), yet somehow even though nearly none of the locals work in construction, they somehow are building buildings… its real head scratcher how they are able to do that.
Another one is crop pickers, I mean how many full time crop pickers do you know? are your neighbours full time crop pickers? And yet somehow crops get picked… just how do we do it?Do Not confuse 'shitty' jobs with the massive failure of training and employment matching, which is beyond woeful in Australia.
It's far too simple to say immigration is what has diluted your wealth and made houses more expensive. There are far more factors that come into play.
Besides, I think sometimes it's necessary to compare countries to understand how Australian's are actually quite well off in comparison to most. EVEN with your diluted wealth and increasingly expensive housing.
Outside of the major Sydney and Melbourne areas, I don't think housings is outrageous (on a world scale), especially when you factor in the high average salary for this country. I think people forget that even their parent's had to save and spend what felt like a lifetime to pay off their mortgages. It's just that many people are not nearly as frugal as their predecessors. Many wants are being deemed as needs.
Dont deny that one bit but the government and domain/realestate.com/big 4 banks are all responsible for the bubble that they knowingly created.
Schemes such as keystart are only enabling vulnerable families to take out mortgages they
a) cant afford
b) will take years more to pay off
All to keep the real estate machine churning and keep the population working while drowning in debt.Reducing immigration (largely restricting foreign ownership of houses) will reduce the competitive environment at auctions, restricting the ridiculous rise in house prices. Unfortunately our system is geared to increasing the poor/rich divide and as long as the current government is in power we're going to end up with a generation unable to afford a child's upbringing to keep a roof over their head.
That's my 2c
@Drakesy: Both sides Liberal and ALP (& Greens especially) are PRO-immigration and wanting to keep the Ponzi scheme going.
Even the Unions are PRO-immigration (as are Big business).Its not just this current Government, it is previous Governments and future Governments.
@Other: Sorry, should've clarified, the current government is supporting the growing rich/poor divide (such as tax breaks for buying up houses) and the continuance of this will result in increased household mortgage stress and reduced birth rates. And yes both sides of politics are pro immigration, just one side chooses to downplay this.
@Drakesy: Immigration is about those who have become Permanent Residents and Citizens. This is only approximately 160,000 total per year. Like I have mentioned in a previous comment that is approximately the same figure as Australian deaths per year.
Foreign investment is different story. One does not need to be a Permanent Resident or Citizen to buy property in that scenario and therefore has no bearing on immigration statistics. The main criteria here is to be wealthy. This is perhaps the area that needs to be scrutinised first. What are the benefits for allowing this to happen, and more importantly do said benefits actually outweigh the downfalls?
According to the ABS the average full-time Australian is earning $86,268/year. As long as one looks outside of the major Sydney and Melbourne areas, the situation is not as dire as people believe. There are houses well under an hour outside of Brisbane City which could be purchased for less than $500,000. Let's also factor into this discussion of housing becoming increasingly expensive due to the fact that most people want more out of what they are buying. I.e. larger living spaces, garages, etc.
@thefinalproblems: We are still giving birth at a rate of 300,000+ per year which is replacing the total deaths + growing at 150,000 people per year, yes there is a immigration/migration balance as well to be made but i'm just suggesting the current immigration rate is unsustainable on our land and city size, with our infrastructure struggling under the existing population.
I do agree that foreign ownership will also need to be looked at as a means to cool the speculative housing market from it's FOMO attitude.
And yes the average full-time australian is earning $86,268 a year, however this data only takes in full time workers and is heavily skewed toward those in 6+ figure salary jobs. The more important number is the median income which states at a much less, $48,360, it is these people who will find it infinitely harder to find a house due to low cash wealth and will struggle the most in competition with outside buyers.
As we are below ZPG in Australia, without immigration, there will fewer and fewer people left to pay taxes for the infrastructure you will need when you get older.
We're already seeing the projections for the economy if our international borders remain closed.
i see alot of (students from that other country that shall not be named because some are too sensitive) still coming in
Via planes? How is that possible?
returning (australian citizens of asian background) are allowed back, they are being flown in via planes from china.
@striker5950: They are Australian and this their home. They have as much the right to be here as you and I.
Australia’s borders are closed. Only Australian citizens, residents and immediate family members can travel to Australia.
All travellers arriving in Australia by air or sea must be isolated in mandatory quarantine accommodation for 14 days from their arrival, with few exceptions.
These requirements will be managed and enforced by state and territory governments with Australian Government support, including from the Australian Defence Force and Australian Border Force.
@[Deactivated]: yeh no shit, i never said they cant be here. sounds like im talking to someone who took offense. they could be African visitng china for all i care and my opinion would not change, they visited china while it was infected and they brought back the virus with them, im talking about before they made the 14 days quarantine mandatory. before that the 14 days thing was optional as in a word of mouth at the airport hey can you take a 14 days quarantine ok cool we wont check on you or anything, what a joke that sh!t was
i see alot of (students from that other country that shall not be named because some are too sensitive) still coming in
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@[Deactivated]: so which part of that statement is false?
i said that country that shall not be named = china
why are you trying to make it sound like i was retracting my statement?
YES alot of Chinese students who are not citizens but do have a study visa did manage to come in before the law was palced to stop non citizens from coming in, i am talking about the early days., those are the ones i was talking about, obviously the ones who carry a citizenship do have the right to be here
i would have said Nigeria if corona virus came from there. you are just butt hurt i said china@striker5950: You said :
i see alot of (students from that other country that shall not be named because some are too sensitive) still coming in
When asked how they could possibly be getting into the country when our borders are closed to non-residents, you changed your tune to
striker5950 8 hours 31 min ago
returning (australian citizens of asian background) are allowed back, they are being flown in via planes from china.When I said Australian citizens have a right to come back home if they are following all security measures in place. You changed your tune to :
the students came in before the lockdown (…)
i am talking about the early days., those are the ones i was talking about, obviously the ones who carry a citizenship do have the right to be here
ok. Thanks for clarifying.
As for this comment,
i would have said Nigeria if corona virus came from there. you are just butt hurt i said china
Why the insinuation that I am more "butt hurt" that you said china instead of Nigeria. Are you assuming that I'm asian?
@[Deactivated]: I thought you were a Nigerian prince.
I certainly will be "butt hurt" if your not.
hashtagRacism (? perhaps… who knows).
What I would love to see is someone make a statement like that with a realistic, logical and concrete plan on how that would work.
No magic money out of thin area, no dictator like behaviours, no assumption that every Australian will put 100% into helping you achieve your plan.
Permanently tho
New conspiracy theory: Trump created COVID-19 so that he can stop migration to the US. This is his wall.
Well our firewall at the start of the year obviously didn't work so this is their next step I guess?
Give them time and Mexico and Canada will build the walls for him.
Their death tolls are, remarkably small, given the shared borders with the USA.
It’s an entertaining theory, but it’s too nuanced for Trump.
Trump, given the political power to do so would just close the borders without provocation. He’s signalled that’s his intention through fear of illegals, and various other nonsense.
Its not entertaining, 100 billion dollar investment in germ warfare by the yanks in 17 years gets results.
Covid acts unnaturally - its targets are overly specific -stats don't add up. Interesting makeup as well. Yanks never been shy of collateral damage, or domestic experimentation with fatalities. of course you'd have to be mad to let it loose, but look at the deranged crew in charge pence and pompeo - white Christian supremacists who are working towards the second coming of jesus - easy to see why scummo got the gig here..
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Oh come on!
I don't get how an outbreak would benefit America and Trump?
Trump is not smart enough to plan a Bioweapon. China on the other hand….
If china was planning on releasing a bioweapon wouldn't they release it in someone else's country not their own…
China is smart enough to know they can release it in their own country and contain it there. They would also know America and their right to "Freedom" would just try and buy more guns and shoot the virus lol
What if it was a "bioweapon in progress" that escaped a Chinese (Wuhan) lab?
Perhaps not even a bioweapon, but just a research project on coronaviruses. Lab technician was not careful in disposing the sample or infected animal. Oopsies.
@try2bhelpful: Well I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out to be the case.
How likely is it for a government to murder citizens of different political leanings to illegally harvest their organs?
For Australia? 0% chance.
For China? 100% chance.
@[Deactivated]: what if some one else who want to eliminate other than them self first release it in china (light version) , then released more deadlier version in Iran and Italy.
@mohan76: There's only 1 version: covid-19.
Countries with better healthcare and government systems are better able to deal with sick people.
Italy has an aging (old) population. Old people die more easily from this virus.
If china was planning on releasing a bioweapon wouldn't they release it in someone else's country not their own…
60 - over 100 million dead during the Great Leap Forward (the greatest mass murder by a single entity in recorded human history) and you think the CCP cares about a few thousand flu deaths? That's cute. A few thousand is chump change for a Communist regime.
@Gnostikos: If that was what they were intending then why Infect themselves at all? Why bring in WHO? Just infect a bunch of travellers you send overseas, let them infect other people then give them the antidote so they can’t be recognised as patients zero. Why destroy their reputation by starting it on home soil; start it in the US and let them explain what went wrong. Given Trump he might well have tried to hide it himself. He hasn’t shown a great trust of UN services.
There was a great documentary on this where the bioterrorists deliberately infected themselves, mingled with as many people as possible in NY then hid away to die so patients zero couldn’t be identified.
If that was what they were intending then why Infect themselves at all?
Because China's power projection is laughable. This 50 cent army-produced propaganda floating around on the Internet about China being on some kind of equal footing with the American military-industrial-intelligence complex is baseless. China does not have the reach nor the assets to successfully launch an offensive biological weapons attack in multiple Western countries simultaneously.
What they did have on their side was:
- Chinese New Year, a time when millions of mainland Chinese basically scatter themselves to the four corners of the Earth.
- A Northern Italian manufacturing base that imported hundreds of thousands of Chinese workers in recent years as Italian manufacturing outsourced and sold off their production to China (workers who constantly flew back and forth between China's manufacturing base of Wuhan and Northern Italy)
- Overseas sleeper assets in the form of international students/skilled labourers on work visas/corrupt Western technocrats (the kind like the Harvard professor who was indicted in January 2020 for receiving funding from the Wuhan Institute of Technology for setting up a biological research institute in Wuhan, along with two Chinese nationals who attempted to smuggle vials of biological specimens from the US into Wuhan).
- A clever "out-clause" in the "phase one" trade deal/truce signed on December 15th, 2019 that stated if there was any so-called "act of God" such as a pandemic, then China did not have to make good on their commitments to buy US goods. Within days of that deal being signed, they announced the first COVID-19 cases.
Why destroy their reputation by starting it on home soil; start it in the US and let them explain what went wrong. Given Trump he might well have tried to hide it himself.
The mainstream media is performing that part of the Psyop campaign for them.
Already the gravity of the situation has shifted entirely to America, and the focus is only on Trump and his alleged failings in worsening the pandemic's impact.
China couldn't have hoped for a better outcome and they didn't have to lift a finger in order to achieve it, because the MSM is so hell-bent on dismantling and derailing Trump's presidency that they would give airtime to Satan if it helped bolster their ratings and move votes away from Trump in the November elections (which he was certain to win resoundingly before the pandemic appeared out of the woodwork).
China are simultaneously damaging their reputation but that matters little when you are 17% of global GDP; maintaining and increasing that figure is worth all of the sacrifices they've made because that kind of economic leverage can override any poor reputation or PR problem.
Just infect a bunch of travellers you send overseas, let them infect other people then give them the antidote so they can’t be recognised as patients zero.
That's more or less what happened, minus the antidote. Your theoretical bio-warfare campaign is a perfect one, China's is a poorly-executed and very hasty version of that.
Again, people seriously overestimate the stability and the underlying strength of the CCP.
They are, at any given moment, barely hanging onto control of Xinjiang, never mind winning the Psyop war against the Western world abroad.
This is an insecure, petty and deeply paranoid regime stuck in circa 1960 trying to play checkers against 21st century, geo-political chess of the kind mastered by the Western world's deep-state alumni since Mao wore short pants.
This is the best they could come up with after a trade war that gave them their worst quarter in nearly 30 years, protests in Hong Kong they could not silence nor discredit despite being as brutal as they have been since Tiananmen Square and a demographic time-bomb that threatens to collapse them economically after the one child policy (another ridiculously hare-brained scheme) left them with the worst ratio of men to women in the world and a rapidly ageing population that cannot be anywhere near as productive as it was in the 1980s/1990s.
It's a desperate, hasty, poorly-thought out move that has all the hallmarks of Tiananmen Square, another ill-considered and rash response that has never stopped being the bane of their existence.
@Gnostikos: I think you have been well overthinking this. I think my proposition is a lot more likely if they were intending to infect the rest of the world, deliberately. Even without the antidote they just have to wait until the patient zeros either get better or die hidden away, somewhere. I think a country like China could, probably, find this TV special if they used Google.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/jan/30/september11200…
The most likely reason was a case of poor animal husbandry caused by their appalling practices with wild animals. That is the biggest lesson the world needs to learn here. Nature is not something here for our convenience, if you do the wrong thing then you can’t barter with it and it doesn’t care if you call it names. China isn’t the only ones making that mistake, either.
China got this wrong but they aren’t alone in this. Mistakes were made all along the way. Mistakes are still being made.
You don’t need to hash through, highly improbable, conspiracy theories. It weakens your case. The CCP didn’t need to derail Trump’s election campaign, he does that enough, himself. The man is all mouth and no trousers. I think the CCP would be much more concerned with a competent person in the Whitehouse than a blowhard like Trump. The competent person might’ve rallied the world to themselves, rather than driven them away.
I don’t know where this will end, but we are better off trying to use the resources available in the whole world instead of breaking into bitter groups. Let’s hope, all pulling together, we find an answer here.
I think you have been well overthinking this.
Or you've been under-thinking this.
Like I said, geo-politics is chess not checkers. Don't expect to be spoon-fed a convenient black-and-white narrative by the same sources who have lied to you about innumerable political crises in the past.
The most likely reason was a case of poor animal husbandry caused by their appalling practices with wild animals. That is the biggest lesson the world needs to learn here.
Humans have co-existed with domesticated animals like cows, horses, dogs and cats for thousands of years all across the world and the number of recorded cases of inter-species transmission of flu-like viruses has been historically extremely low because all influenza viruses have targeted mechanisms to attach to the right receptors in a specific host species, and infecting another species requires genetic shifts that have probabilities on the order of one in many millions.
The exception to that rule being China, mysteriously, where repeated outbreaks of supposed animal-to-human borne contagions have cropped up since the early 1990s with almost clockwork regularity.
Either we're supposed to be believe the that the principles of epidemiology and virology have been temporarily suspended in China by mechanisms never-before-seen elsewhere in the world or that China's running an open-air biological weapons laboratory in certain provinces, specifically Wuhan, which hosts the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which even the Washington Times, citing credible sources, has linked to China's biological weapons program and has associated with previous "research" into the Coronaviridae family which the current COVID-19 strain belongs to (along with, unsurprisingly, SARS and the H5N1 Avian Flu).
China has experienced outbreaks of weaponised biological agents (specifically haemorrhagic fevers) from their covert biological weapons facilities going back to the 1980s and continues to have severe outbreaks of such VHFs (viral haemorrhagic fevers) in in various provinces to this day.
Given the country's lengthy list of atrocious food safety scandals (which have likely killed more Chinese over the past two decades than the current pandemic) as well as their complete disregard for the disastrous levels of environmental pollution plaguing the country (with at least one million premature deaths annually due to air pollution alone), along with their rock-bottom human rights record, it's completely unsurprising that China's bio-warfare program has a callous disregard for collateral damage and continues to spill out into the public sphere and be passed off as bat soup-borne illnesses and wet market contamination.
What's important to understand is that you're dealing with a regime that is second to none in their contempt for their citizens, who they view as literal chattel to be harvested for the state's benefit. This is the same country that executes more prisoners annually than any other nation, has a larger prison population than any other nation (with 1.6 million ethnic Uyghurs alone detained in re-education camps) and harvests hundreds of thousands of organs annually from political prisoners like the Falun Gong for resale on the black market. No one, not even North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Turkmenistan or Zimbabwe can match the inhumanity of the CCP.
You don’t need to hash through, highly improbable, conspiracy theories. It weakens your case.
Care to debunk my arguments point-by-point instead of just using the all-powerful C word and expecting me to roll over and play dead?
The CCP didn’t need to derail Trump’s election campaign, he does that enough, himself. The man is all mouth and no trousers.
Trump was leading all projections on 2020 election results last year, even a third of Democratic voters believed he was a shoe-in for a second term. That's not so much a reflection of Trump's political brilliance or calculated policies but more so a reflection of the complete ineptitude of the Democrats in fielding a viable candidate or having a coherent platform.
Even now, most polls give Biden a very slim 6% lead for the presidency (assuming he actually wins the Democratic nomination).
I think the CCP would be much more concerned with a competent person in the Whitehouse than a blowhard like Trump. The competent person might’ve rallied the world to themselves, rather than driven them away.
You seem to have mistaken me for some kind of rabid Trump groupie.
I honestly could care less about yet-another New York billionaire cut from the same cloth as the Morgans, Rockefellers, DuPonts or Warburgs, who panders to the masses with the illusion of being the ruling class pariah who will fight the enemy from within.
But the obviousness of the plot to destabilise the Western world's economic output, further curtail civil liberties and allow China a fertile ground for hoovering up more economic capital, debt and ownership of Western markets on the cheap after a devastating and prolonged economic recession in order to make manifest their dystopian Belt & Road Initiative, is something that I can see from a mile away and no amount of inane "orange man bad" retorts is going to sway my view that the only entity that benefits from COVID-19 is the Chinese state.
I don’t know where this will end, but we are better off trying to use the resources available in the whole world instead of breaking into bitter groups. Let’s hope, all pulling together, we find an answer here.
Nothing unites mankind like a common enemy. That's how we've pulled out of every severe global recession in modern history: a global war, or at least a large theatre conflict.
I don't want to be that cynical and I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but this "plannedemic" is an undeclared act of war, one in a series of many in recent history (China's rampant IP theft, industrial sabotage, high-level espionage of national state secrets, economic investment into key national industries and cyber warfare for the past two decades against the Western world count as some of the others) and unless they are given a clear disincentive to stop this onslaught of covert warfare against the Western world, they'll continue until they're in a position to dictate terms to us.
The exception to that rule being China, mysteriously, where repeated outbreaks of supposed animal-to-human borne contagions have cropped up since the early 1990s with almost clockwork regularity.
And the middle east (MERS) and Mexico (H5N1)?
@Gnostikos: The Great Famine was due to poor public policy regarding farming. The Great Famine was caused by poor agriculture policies resulting in insufficient food for the masses which meant many starved. Negligent? Yes, Genocide? No.
A similar modern comparison would be the thousands dying of Covid19 due to Trump's incompetency. However, you cannot say that Trump is committing mass murder as that makes no sense, he is just incompetence and through his actions has caused 50k+ to die (rising).
When you talk about mass murder, a better comparison would be the Iraq war which was based on a lie. The USA and the coalition including Australia directly caused nearly 250k+ Iraqis to die based on false intelligence reports in direct contradiction to UN reports regarding WMDs.
@mychips: The great famine was Genocide.
1) No one reported back that it was killing people.
2) Those that were the most pro-active in following the commands from the CCP had the worst starvation.
They continued this even when they knew that provincies that had not followed those orders had less or almost no starvation.
They continued the policies even though they knew they were not working because they would get higher in the leadership ladder.So I would argue it actually was genocide.
In terms of Trump's incompetency - how many people infected by Covid-19 have been refused a respirator from the strategic stockpile? from my knowledge=Zero. Trump cut off flights from China and was actually accused of racism by the Dems (would Dems cut of travel from China if they were accusing Trump of this? Probably not? So more transmission?).
In terms of the strategic stockpile of PPE - these were reduced during Obama (by 75% ironically) but the money was not spent on resupply but on uneconomic specialised drugs to save patients (good or bad - who knows).
Right now the strategic stockpile guys (HHS) are actually "bribing" medical supply flights on the airfield to fly to USA rather than to other countries - and while I may disagree, that is actually not incompetency.
I mean if you have a look at the number of deaths Per capita vs other countries the USA is actually doing Very well.
Infection rate Might be different. It looks to be 50% lower than spain, but 25% higher than France, Similar to UK.
We could talk about NY, but its not a great record there for Dems.
You could talk about testing - but UKs testing was shit, and Spain testing with fake testing Kits from China was…. worse?
(I mean Spain had kits, they were just useless - is that better than having less kits?).The great famine was Genocide.
Nope, that's not even remotely correct and is just propaganda (you ought to look up the definition of propaganda if you don't know it).
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/propaganda
As for the Great Famine, it started when the CCP ordered the killing of pests including the sparrow as they ate a lot of produce. The sparrow unbeknownst to the policy makers, also ate a lot of insects which later destroyed crops as there were almost no sparrows left to keep their populations in check.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/china-s-worst-self-inflicted-environ…
Those that were the most pro-active in following the commands from the CCP had the worst starvation.
"Australians living in rural and remote areas tend to have lower life expectancy, higher rates of disease and injury, and poorer access to and use of health services than people living in Major cities" Those would of been the most active in farming in China and also the most likely to be negatively affected. This is the case in all parts of the world.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/6d6c9331-5abf-49ca-827b-e1d…
So I would argue it actually was genocide.
Your argument doesn't stack up. The logic makes no sense as it doesn't take into account the historical facts of how it occurred - poor public planning caused the people to die.
They didn't die in the hands of guns and it wasn't intentional, it was literally the killing of a pest (the sparrow), as well as drought which caused and exacerbated it. Trump's negligence in his handling of the situation is as close as it gets.
In terms of the strategic stockpile of PPE - these were reduced during Obama (by 75% ironically) but the money was not spent on resupply but on uneconomic specialised drugs to save patients (good or bad - who knows).
Ebola, and H1N1 occurred during Obamas presidency. Trump had 3 years as a president to do something, how long does it take to make a purchase order for PPE? 10 years? Derp
how many people infected by Covid-19 have been refused a respirator from the strategic stockpile?
I'm sure you don't know the answer to that but USA has far more cases than any developed nation. There are plenty of articles that detail Trumps failures which include:
- not replenishing PPE from Obama after expending it on Ebola and H1N1
- largely disbanding the entire pandemic response team in 2018
- denying the significance of Covid19
- bungling the home made test kits (they didn't work) so there were only a total of 2k tested up until March
- doing almost nothing in Feb whilst playing golf and attending re-election rallies
- suggesting unproven cures (hydroxychloroquine, insert light inside the body and ingesting disinfectants?)
- FEMA literally stealing PPE gear from the states so they can say that it is part of the federal stockpilehttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pan…
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21168087/cdc…
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/business/coronavirus-vent…
You could talk about testing - but UKs testing was shit, and Spain testing with fake testing Kits from China was…. worse?
70% of all PPE gear comes from China, even in Australia so unless 70% of them are failing, they must be relatively functional. A handful of bad batches/operators isn't unusual considering a time when there are many opportunists.
In any case, I'd rather defective PPE gear from China than garbage bags and NO PPE gear in the USA. Derp
We could talk about NY, but its not a great record there for Dems.
You're not that knowledgeable on US geography, most flights from Europe and Asia go to either the East coast/West coast - Cali or NY, hence why the bulk of the cases ended up there. Most cases came from Europe after their initial outbreak as there was no ban to Europe until it was too late. The bans did not include citizens and people weren't being tested when they flew to the US.
I mean if you have a look at the number of deaths Per capita vs other countries the USA is actually doing Very well.
I literally laughed at your idiotic comment. You can't even pretend to be remotely intelligent if you are somehow trying to justify that USA has somehow doing "very well". They have conducted less tests per capita than Russia. I've seen the numbers, have you? Which countries are you comparing them to? They are literally testing as much per capita as Venezuela.
They have less recovered cases than any European country, so the ~60k deaths are only the beginning. Mind you, USA is heavily under-reporting their cases as they don't have the capacity to test enough people. They still have 830k+ cases which will die at a rate much higher than 1-2% as they haven't tested even a small segment of mild and asymptomatic cases.
USA
Cases: 1,035,765
Deaths: 59,266
Recovered cases: 142,238
Active cases: 834,261Spain
Cases: 232,128
Deaths: 23,822
Recovered cases: 123,903
Active cases: 84,403
Trump created COVID-19 so that he can stop migration to the US. This is his wall.
And stop his chances of winning a second term by comprehensively destroying the economy, the one constant source of success that was guaranteeing him a loyal voting base of slightly over 50% of the voting demographic during a time in the political landscape where the Democrats were incapable of fielding a viable candidate with sufficiently large campaign coffers and every other trick in their political play book had failed miserably (impeachment, Russia collusion allegations, sexual misconduct allegations, etc)?
Yeah, back to the drawing board with your theory.
The only question you need to ask in order to understand the plannedemic is, cui bono? Who benefits from a ravaged US economy and a Democrat victory in the November elections? Certainly not Trump nor his party.
It was a joke mate, I don't actually believe it which is why I called it a conspiracy theory but your response is great apart from the fact that some of most hardest hit electorates with COVID-19 are Democrat voting bases ie. Bronx/Queens in NY. Low socio-economic areas with high levels of immigrants. Again, I was joking, but it does make sense too.
Judging by the votes on your comment, your tongue-in-cheek sarcasm went over everyone's head and people agree with you unironically; which is perhaps more worrying than China's feeble attempt at ruining Trump's re-election chances.
@Gnostikos: Why would China even care if Trump got re-elected? They made a deal and it was to China's favour as China has time on their hands meaning they always had more leverage.
If your argument is that they released it intentionally, it actually makes no sense for them to do it at home which makes China look bad. It would make more sense to release it in a US location and in turn make the US look bad.
@Gnostikos: Judging by your comments, you seem to know everything including why people have voted my comment. I think you may need to get your head out of your own conspiracy theory and back into the real world where people don't have time to write essays on conspiracy theories for the internet or think about them when they're too busy trying to find their own way in these confusing and tough times.
Judging by your comments, you seem to know everything including why people have voted my comment
There's no need to get so defensive. People upvoted your original comment because they believed you were being serious and because "orange man bad" is the rallying cry of any mainstream news media in the world today.
I hate to break it to you but you're not the ironic comedic extraordinaire you consider yourself to be.
I think you may need to get your head out of your own conspiracy theory and back into the real world
Ah yes, the "real world" where supposedly sane, fully-grown adults are spending inordinate amounts of time washing their hands, wiping down surfaces and maintaining a 1.5 metre distance from anyone else; measures that every serious epidemiologist has already confirmed will only drag out this ridiculous saga even longer and will have virtually no measurable impact on mortality.
where people don't have time to write essays on conspiracy theories for the internet
No, because they're too busy being consumed by fear and paranoia induced by the mainstream media who have been pushing a nihilistic, apocalyptic outlook for the past 4 months and telling everyone that destroying the future, bankrupting millions of families and rendering millions more jobless in order to save the lives of less than 100 people in Australia is a worthwhile trade-off.
too busy trying to find their own way in these confusing and tough times.
Which means what exactly? Hoarding toilet paper and demanding handouts from the government?
Give me a break. The average Australian's idea of "tough times" is having to wait a few more minutes at the checkout. Take a look at Syria for the past decade if you want an idea of what going through tough times actually entails.
Half of the problem with this plannedemic is the perception of the problem, i.e. that this is an existential threat unlike anything that has been seen before and requires unprecedented social restructuring and government intervention to solve.
It's now become a barely-disguised rights grabs; absolutely no different to what happened after 9/11.
COVID-19 is unfolding in so many ways like a "biological 9/11", with the same tired script featuring the same kind of mythical bogeyman that can strike anywhere at anytime (just substitute gunfire and explosions for coughs and sneezes), hence everyone has to surrender all personal freedoms and change their lifestyles dramatically and permanently in order to combat yet-another existential threat that will haunt us for decades. Just as with 9/11, all of the repercussions of this traumatic event and all of the rights, liberties and democratic principles that were taken away from the people will never, ever be restored and once again, we will have been duped into committing that timeless Ben Franklin-esque sin of sacrificing liberty for security.
If you can't see this tired old cycle repeating itself every 10 years now, you've got a lot of catching up to do.
But make sure you wash your hands, wear a mask and wipe everything down first, stock up on toilet paper, waste your time reading ridiculous misinformation from the same sources that told you Iraq had WMDs and that the banks were too big to fail and don't bother thinking for yourself because that's time you don't have in this busy, busy world where you can just outsource all responsibility to talking heads on the TV and live happily ever after.mythical bogeyman
How many healthcare workers die from seasonal flu every year? What about in a 3-month window?
How many healthcare workers have died from the novel coronavirus in a 3-month window?
How old was Li Wenliang when he died? Did he have underlying health conditions?
Which one has the higher R-nought (R0) ratio? And which one has the vaccine?
How many healthcare workers die from seasonal flu every year? What about in a 3-month window?
You need to understand that the reporting on fatalities is an absolute joke right now.
Anyone who dies in an American hospital currently is treated as a suspected and/or confirmed Coronavirus fatality with absolutely no scientific evidence to make that determination. All semblance of established medical protocols in determining cause of death have been thrown out of the window and free license has been given to count anyone and everyone as a COVID-19 victim; it's a disgusting charade and subversion of the medical profession's integrity and ethics.
Rather than repeating myself, this video lays it out methodically and is backed up with a wealth of research, so I suggest you watch it and then follow the link in the description which outlines all of the source material referenced in the video.
How many healthcare workers have died from the novel coronavirus in a 3-month window?
Irrelevant point when the data used for modelling the pandemic's projected death/infection rates is not being made public.
Which one has the higher R-nought (R0) ratio? And which one has the vaccine?
The same old scare-mongering and wildly inaccurate predictions were peddled during the SARS and H5N1 outbreaks and when all was said and done, the mortality rates were revised from their initial bleak projections of 4-6% percent to something like 0.02% (in other words, less than the seasonal flu) and vaccine development halted entirely because there was literally nothing worth developing a vaccine for any more.
The powers that be are trying their damnedest to make a mountain out of a molehill currently and fudge every statistic and metric available to forcibly legitimise this crisis and give it the urgency they're desperately projecting on it, so they can utilise this tragedy to maximum political effect.
The comparison to 9/11 is an astute one because the actual incidence of domestic terrorism in the so-called "War on Terror" era has been so negligible (Americans are more likely to die of bee, hornet or wasp stings than terrorist attacks) but the hysterical perception of the frequency and likelihood of domestic terrorism, along with the over-reactionary measures employed to combat that vague and elusive threat are exactly mirroring the unfolding Coronavirus rhetoric of: anyone can die, anywhere at any time so we better stop all productive human activity and let technocrats further enslave us.
@Gnostikos: Thanks, I might watch when I have more spare time. The thing with opinions and views is that everyone has one. And to support our theories, we tend to be selective about which evidence and views to pick. Only time will tell which theory is correct. In the meantime, I'll await to-be-published scientific research findings from reputable journals and confirmed statistics.
You need to understand that the reporting on fatalities is an absolute joke right now.
But my questions weren't addressing general fatality rates. The focus was on healthcare workers. I'm not aware of seasonal flu being as deadly to healthcare workers compared to covid-19.
Irrelevant point when the data used for modelling the pandemic's projected death/infection rates is not being made public.
But the reported individual cases of healthcare workers are made public. Are their deaths irrelevant?
The powers that be are trying their damnedest to make a mountain out of a molehill currently and fudge every statistic and metric available to forcibly legitimise this crisis
Then why did China downplay their statistics? When the world's data all moved in the same direction, but opposite to China's, the CCP revised their figures to capture "more" cases.
So which scenario is the legitimate (true) reflection of what's happening?
What would Italy's funeral numbers and revenue be like in the first quarter of this year compared to the same period last year?
The same old scare-mongering and wildly inaccurate predictions were peddled during the SARS and H5N1 outbreaks
Perhaps. But is covid-19 different? If so, in what way?
For example:
SARS incubation = typically 2-7 days, up to 10 days.
Covid-19 incubation = variable, up to 24 days. Infected people are disease vectors and can remain asymptomatic for up to 2 weeks whilst being infectious from day 0.Number of SARS infection in Australia = 1
Number of covid-19 infection in Australia (tested and confirmed) = 6,661 (and counting)There's still many unknowns about the new virus and it has behaved differently to SARS and H5N1.
@Gnostikos: anyone who says anything vaguely fascist racist or pro- trump gets upvoted here.
its easy to see why the world has gone to shit.
@petry: Clearly from that "joke" comment, anyone who says anything vaguely anti-Trump gets upvoted here.
What is "fascism" and who created the ideology?
the world has gone to shit.
The world is highly globalised.
@petry: So the world reached its highest level of globalisation just before Trump was elected.
Perhaps the world was already going to shit and hence he was voted in.
Hence Trump is a result of that, not the cause of.
Of course there is no source - its pure conjecture and free association.
@Other: will you be happy when millions of Australians are dead?
you really believe that every Australian should inject disinfectant to end the lockdown?
@Other: Trump's win had more to do with fear than globalisation.
The findings of political scientists at the time was that there was " a growing body of evidence that the 2016 election was not about economic hardship." Instead they concluded, “it was about dominant groups that felt threatened by change and a candidate who took advantage of that trend.”
“For the first time since Europeans arrived in this country,” Mutz notes, “white Americans are being told that they will soon be a minority race.” When members of a historically dominant group feel threatened, she explains, they go through some interesting psychological twists and turns to make themselves feel okay again. First, they get nostalgic and try to protect the status quo however they can. They defend their own group (“all lives matter”), they start behaving in more traditional ways, and they start to feel more negatively toward other groups.(…)
In other words, it’s now pretty clear that many Trump supporters feel threatened, frustrated, and marginalized—not on an economic, but on an existential level.
*Emphasis is mine.
@[Deactivated]: Yes the same people who voted for a Black Democrat president suddenly just got fearful and voted not for a white woman but an orange guy.
Also your source being the Atlantic which almost always endorses Democratic candidates and is seen as left leaning.
So of course completely independent. And its written by an author who famous for covering gender issues.
She is also a BLM supporter and of course an open borders supporter. She support globalisation.
That is your source.
Someone who is LITERALLY a the model image of a Globalist, democratic Hillary Clinton supporter.Even in the paragraph you posted she has to mention black lives matter somehow.
Here is my source where they talked to woman voters:
https://www.propublica.org/article/revenge-of-the-forgotten-…If Hilary couldn't be f**king assed to even bother to campaign in certain states/localities - why would they vote for her?
Remind me the 3 most mentioned locations that Hillary talked about in her emails?
Then remind us how many times she even bothered to mention ANY of the Rust belt states.What do people say Trumps #1 area/reason of support come from? Even from the Black or Hispanic community = The Economy & Employment figures (a function of the economy).
But yeah it must be all the sexist male racists….. (who forced white woman to vote for Trump).
eh'@Other: Here is a question. Biden is beating Trump in the polls right now. How come?
I mean you state "it was about dominant groups that felt threatened by change and a candidate who took advantage of that trend.”
Please inform us why they would Biden is winning in the polls if they felt threatened by change - are you suggesting that Trump has somehow reversed the change by so much they don't feel threatened by it anymore? Seriously?
@Other: Why do white women vote for Trump?
The most likely answer seems to be that white women vote for Republicans for the same reason that white men do: because they are racist. Trump, with his raucous rallies and his bloviating, combative style, has offered his supporters an opportunity to savor the pleasures of being cruel. It is likely that the white women who voted for him in 2016, and who will vote for him again in 2020, find this racist sadism gratifying. It is fun for them.
But there is something else at play, something more complicated, in white women’s relationship to white patriarchy. White women’s identity places them in a curious position at the intersection of two vectors of privilege and oppression: they are granted structural power by their race, but excluded from it by their sex. In a political system where racism and sexism are both so deeply ingrained, white women must choose to be loyal to either the more powerful aspect of their identity, their race, or to the less powerful, their sex. Some Republican white women might lean into racism not only for racism’s sake, but also as a means of avoiding or denying the realities of how sexist oppression makes them vulnerable.
In her book Right Wing Women, the feminist Andrea Dworkin wrote that conservative women often conform to the dominant ideologies of the men around them as part of a subconscious survival strategy, hoping that their conservatism will spare them from male hatred and violence.
Biden is beating Trump in the polls right now.
Short answer is survival > existential crisis
They are not necessarily choosing Biden over Trump. They are saying they will vote against a madman who believes such things as injecting disinfectants into COVID patients will cure them and "clean" their lungs. No matter how racist you are, you would value your chances of survival more than your racists ideal.
@Other: Racism and sexism
A study by 3 Amherst political scientists —asked: “What caused whites without college degrees to provide substantially more support to Donald Trump than whites with college degrees?” Here’s their answer, based on survey data from 5,500 American adults:
We find that racism and sexism attitudes were strongly associated with vote choice in 2016, even after accounting for partisanship, ideology, and other standard factors. These factors were more important in 2016 than in 2012, suggesting that the explicitly racial and gendered rhetoric of the 2016 campaign served to activate these attitudes in the minds of many voters. Indeed, attitudes toward racism and sexism account for about two-thirds of the education gap in vote choices in 2016.
A PRRI analysis of more than 3,000 voters, “suggests financially troubled voters in the white working class were more likely to prefer Clinton over Trump.” Meanwhile, partisan affiliation aside, “it was cultural anxiety — feeling like a stranger in America, supporting the deportation of immigrants, and hesitating about educational investment — that best predicted support for Trump.”
Stanford University published a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that observed how "living in an area with a high median income positively predicted Republican vote choice to a greater extent in 2016,” which is “precisely the opposite of what one would expect based on the left behind thesis.”
They found no evidence that a decline in income, or a worsening “personal financial situation,” drove working-class voters into the welcoming arms of a billionaire property mogul. Nor did a decline in manufacturing or employment in the area where Trump voters lived. Their conclusion was :In this election, education represented group status threat rather than being left behind economically. Those who felt that the hierarchy was being upended—with whites discriminated against more than blacks, Christians discriminated against more than Muslims, and men discriminated against more than women—were most likely to support Trump.
A Voter's study group report concluded that the “prevailing narrative” of the 2016 election, focused heavily “on the economic concerns of Americans,” and especially “the white working class,” is “flawed” and “misplaced.”
It found that “economic anxiety was actually decreasing, not increasing” in the run-up to the presidential election and “what was distinctive about voting behavior in 2016 was not the outsized role of economic anxiety,” but “attitudes about race and ethnicity” that were “more strongly related to how people voted.”
According to their study (which focused on a much tighter concept of “economic distress” based on voters’ direct experiences with financial instability or hardship):
Contrary to the popular narrative, VOTER Survey results show that economic distress is not distinctively prevalent among the white working class. It is much more a fact of life for people of color. In part because of this, Trump voters in 2016 do not report more economic distress than do Clinton voters. If anything, the opposite is true. … The political implications of economic distress are mostly negative for President Trump. Among independents in particular, those experiencing economic distress are more likely to disapprove of Trump’s performance in office. Therefore, economic distress appears to function as a referendum on Trump’s presidency rather than a driver of support. Indeed, genuine economic distress may cost Trump support.
….etc
Since the moment Trump entered on the political scene questioning the first black president’s birthplace, his only tool has been racism. Going for the base has worked for him. Trump is breaking from every previous incumbent president in modern times by not even attempting to reach across the divide and broaden his coalition. He seems to be betting on turning out his mainly white, male, ageing and lower educated support in the places that matter to the electoral college.
The American people have a simple choice: either they support racism or they don’t. We’re about to find out just how racist America really is.
The American people have a simple choice: either they support racism or they don’t
That's very black and white thinking, with no room for nuance.
Question 1: Are you insinuating that every person who votes for the Republican party in its current form are racists and sexists?
Question 2: Let's assume that they are all racists and sexists. Why do they feel the cultural anxiety?
Question 3: Is this cultural anxiety (at either ends of the political spectrum) unique to America? If so, why might that be?
Question 1: Are you insinuating that every person who votes for the Republican party in its current form are racists and sexists?
I quoted several studies and surveys that were aimed at understanding why Trump won the election. Go and read them and come to you own conclusion.
Question 2: Let's assume that they are all racists and sexists. Why do they feel the cultural anxiety?
“For the first time since Europeans arrived in this country,” Mutz notes, “white Americans are being told that they will soon be a minority race.” When members of a historically dominant group feel threatened, she explains, they go through some interesting psychological twists and turns to make themselves feel okay again. First, they get nostalgic and try to protect the status quo however they can. They defend their own group (“all lives matter”), they start behaving in more traditional ways, and they start to feel more negatively toward other groups.(…)
Question 3: Is this cultural anxiety (at either ends of the political spectrum) unique to America? If so, why might that be?
No, its not. Look up Pauline Hanson et al. Ironically, the Trump administration had listed Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party as a threat to religious freedom in a 2017 report released. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black…
I quoted several studies and surveys that were aimed at understanding why Trump won the election. Go and read them and come to you own conclusion.
I know there are going to be racists and sexists who vote for Trump. But I asked if "all" were. Just because you or I come to our own conclusions, it's not fact. We, and the researchers, have not spoken to all people.
Here are some voices from Trump-supporters: Why did people vote for Trump? Voters explain.
Likewise, there are going to be racists and sexists who vote for the Democrats. To what extent? I'd wager a smaller number than Republican voters. But not none.
They defend their own group…they start to feel more negatively toward other groups.(…)
Yes, this is identity politics. Insert "x" group. Black/white/green/round/square.
No, its not. Look up Pauline Hanson et al.
Ok. Why (is there a cultural anxiety)?
What's at the other end?
Racism and sexism
Does that go for every other country if they don't vote for someone who is the same race as most of their citizens.
And you do realise that Hilary and Biden are white too?
@ozhunter: Trump's racial views
Trump, with his raucous rallies and his bloviating, combative style, has offered his supporters an opportunity to savor the pleasures of being cruel.
We're just going round and round now :)
@[Deactivated]: You do realise that there are people of minority backgrounds who vote for Trump and Pauline Hanson?
Are they racist against themselves?
If you're trying to be "progressive", would you be interested in understanding their motivations? Or would you be more interested in imposing your (white) views onto them?
@[Deactivated]: @ihatepeople asked me half in jest ealier if I was an african prince and now you are assuming I'm white. I'm neither.Or rather, I'm both. I'm biracial : the child of a young, black African doctor ( sadly, not of royal descent) and an Irish-Australian social activist mother. I was born in South Africa, during Apartheid but I was raised by my grandparents in Australia. I'm third generation Australian on my maternal side.
I look caucasian with a year round just-came-back-from-Bali tan.I'm normally non-judgmental and respectful of others and their views but overtly racist people like Trump and Hanson grind my gears. I find the way they use hate and racism to further their political agenda distasteful. I would never knowingly associate with anyone who shares their views.
Does that answer your question?
@[Deactivated]: I can't confirm nor disconfirm your claim. I'll have to take your word at face value. But African? The continent? Very interesting…
I find the way they use hate and racism to further their political agenda distasteful
Same here.
I would never knowingly associate with anyone who shares their views.
I have to admit I'm just as judgmental. But I would still be polite and eager to have a proper chat with people of different views if they're as open to the idea.
Still, everyone has carries unconscious biases. I have it. You have it. Everyone has it. But the left may be prone to a "social desirability bias".
Does that answer your question?
No. My question was asking if you realised that there are people who vote for Trump/Pauline for non-racist reasons. People have different motivations for voting, so the racist/sexist theory isn't universal. It's just an attempt at an explanation.
If "reaching over the divide" is a goal, then we need open-mindedness. It doesn't mean we have to agree.
And you can't label an entire group as "terrorists" or "racists" or "sexists" when they're not, and then expect a good outcome. They might not share your beliefs, but it doesn't mean they'll share Trump's/Pauline's.
@[Deactivated]: LOL, is that all.
Are you one of those who would neg the youfoodz deals post from now to infinity.
Place is turning into a grave, its just another classic Trump distraction blame others for his incompetence.
I am enjoying watching those COVID protesters though
Chinese did the same. Started going after Africans.
did what the same
its just another classic distraction blame others for incompetence
Then you know Western media twisted this differently.
Yes how obvious, the western media would twist things differently, to a communist political party from china and their media channel.
If only there wasn't a firewall blocking the entire country of china from freedom of information, we might get the truth out of this twisted western media.
@TheBilly: Classic stereotype by assuming everything China and its media say is "wrong".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52309414
Yes, the Chinese government can do better treating the Africans. Have they blamed or going after Africans for distraction? No@ty99234: Maybe the communist party need a rebranding campaign. A little bit of marketing, maybe a name change, get a few celebrities involved and have a concert… I didn't realise they aren't into that whole communism thing anymore. The name can be deceiving though.
@TheBilly: Yeah, maybe.
But you are not really answering the question.
Do you believe BBC reports? Even BBC, a western media, didn't' say they start going after Africans for the blame. I thought you trusted them more than the communist media.GFW: It is a terrible thing. But I had to say if you dive deep into the "communist" social media, you may find more anti-government speech than what we have on our Twitter, Facebook, etc. Sadly, I can read Chinese and understand what they say instead of you assuming there is no truth in China.
@ty99234: I would answer the question but you clearly sympathise with and excuse communism. Communism is not just a casual talking point, it's an ideology of control over people and I'm not cool with that in anyway
Even if it is historical and not practiced, the mere fact that it is an acceptable talking point in China by Chinese people is unacceptable.I bet you didn't know Ping Pong the president legalised no term presidency limits effectively securing power over communist China for as long as he pleases, I don't see the liberal Chinese media parading this act of freedom and liberty to the world or the people speaking up against it.
Answering your question is normalising their behaviour like saying "oh yea they are communists BUT they do x y z so its ok" it's like a Saudi Arabian normalizing terrorism, "yes there is a branch of our government that supports ISIS but … they also do X Y Z so you have to take the good with the bad"
@TheBilly: Hmm, you are still not answering the question.
Do you believe China is specifically targeting Africans for distraction blame?
BBC didn't say so. Are you spreading rumours then?@ty99234: Yes I believe that China is specifically targeting Africans for distraction blame as there is plenty of substantiation on the internet if anyone chooses to research.
Why are you so protective and defensive, do you live in China?
What makes you think that the BBC is my beacon of truth? The BBC is just as bad a propaganda network as CGTN. They are two sides of the same coin, that being corporate or government control over people. The Chinese just have no shame in admiting it and put communist in the title, the BBC just promote it in a classy way but they all poo the same.
This is an excellent idea, it is fact that immigration is a liberal/labour backed GDP ponzi scheme. Downvote away.