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Got my hopes up. I though the $165 was for the EVO
Apparently it's $50 off if you spend more than $200 on Samsung.stor?
Does that work out to be cheaper than this deal?
Only 1 SSD seems to be available for sale on the samsung store though. The 860 EVO SATA III M.2 2TB for $529
Ignore. Not available on Samsung stoe
is crucial mx500 better than 860 qvo?
The crucial MX500 is comparable in performance to the 860 Evo. So yes, better than the QVO.
860 QVO is comparable to bx500
I read lots of bad comments about the crucial brand (from other ozbargain posts), IMO stick with Samsung or kingston etc
Is it worth getting the Pro over the Evo Plus NVMe? $49 difference for same size drive
Gabos. I think of it as not worth it performance-wise but it's a small enough hit that you'd pay $50 extra if the evo was out of stock and you didn't want to fluff around going to another store.
Thanks mate, performance was my main query
All Nvme drives are maxing out at PCI3.0… The new PCI 4.0 drives are the thing you want.
But in the real world you will never notice any difference between them. Good QTY Sata SSD's are hard to tell apart from nvme drives unless you copy huge files all the time.
What are you talking about? PCIe 3.0 x16 throughput is ~16GBps, do you know how hard it is to saturate that much? For reference the Samsung 970 Pro, one of the top tier NVMe SSD is rated at 3.5/2.5 GBps which can't even saturate PCIe 3.0 x4. Even the upcoming PCIe 4.0 Samsung 980 Pro which is a monster at 6.5/5 GBps can't even saturate PCIe 3.0 x8.
Not even top tier GPUs can saturate PCIe 3.0, let alone SSD.
@rookie317: Most NVMe slots and adapters access 4 lanes so they would have a theoretical 4000MB/sec maximum bandwidth. In the real world one would not be able to reach the theoretical limit, so 3500MB/sec is around the ceiling for PCIe 3.0 drives.
PCIe 4.0 is double the speed of PCIe 3.0, so a PCIe 4.0 nvme drive connected to 4 lanes approach the 8GB/sec bandwidth limit (so around 7000MB/sec).
@navjay: Did you conveniently ignore PCIe card? They can take the x16 slot on the mobo no problem. How do you think people have been RAIDing 2 or even 4 SSDs on a single PCIe x16 slot? HHHL cards are pretty common for the exact reason.
Yes I have never seen a M.2 slot with x8 lanes but that's the limitation of M.2, not PCIe. And in the OP, as well as mine, we never once mentioned M.2 slot, his statement was "All Nvme drives are maxing out at PCI3.0" which is far from truth, if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
I'm aware of the benefits of PCIe 4.0 when one lane has twice the throughput, I didn't pay premium for x570 for no reason. But that's another story entirely. Oh and can you show me the source of that 3500MBps or was it just a guestimate? 3.0 x4 theoretical maximum bandwidth is 3940 MBps, I'm sure there's overhead but your number seems extreme.
@rookie317: Most single NVMe PCIe adapters/cars are 4 lanes. The dual ones are usually 8 lanes for RAID0, but your argument is still moot. Have a think about it - 8 lanes gives a total theoretical throughput of 8000MB/sec, and since it is a dual m.2 NVMe adapter, then it will still be a theoretical 4000MB/sec per drive. The amount of lanes a PCIe device uses is tied to the device, not always what slot you plug it in to. I can plug an old x1 usb pcie card into a full sized x16 slot but it won't use all 16 lanes. I assume you are not talking about big enterprise NVMe drives that are not of the m.2 form factor.
I'm not sure if you are confused or just arguing for argument's sake but you mentioned that the 970 pro is rated at 3.5GB/sec, which is the same as what I mentioned, 3500MB/sec. I did not pull the number out of the air and didn't "overhear" it from you, I was speaking from experience. My 2TB 970 Evo achieves >3400MB/sec on sequential tests in my laptop, and the 970 Evo is not the newest or quickest PCIe 3.0 drive - there are now EVO plus' drives which are slightly quicker I believe and the MLC Pro series drives. You seem quite defensive and argumentative, so I assume you won't believe me, so I've googled a source for you - it is a review of the 970 Pro with a nice speed comparison with many other drives: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-970-pro-ssd-rev...
Also note that this review was from when the 970 Pro was first released about 2 years ago when PCIe 4.0 drives were not in the consumer market yet, so al the other drives used in the comparison are PCIe 3.0.
You are right that it is extreme, but that's because Samsung are one of the best in the SSD business in terms of there NAND flash AND controller.
This has already been a bit long-winded, but I guess to summarise and reiterate my main points: NVMe m.2 drives saturate a PCIe x4 link, and PCIe 4.0 drives do offer a significant speed boost.
Shopping express were the best back when HP Microservers were cheap
Can I put any of these in a ps4?
Yes. SSDs are slim enough but not all 2.5" HDD drives are.
Bad experience with these people. SSD I bought a month ago never arrived and it's impossible to contact them. Not answering phones and not replying emails.
I've only had a positive experience with them. Even when dealing with Warranty..
Is this seller trustworthy? What have your experiences been with them?
I've shopped with SE for many years, haven't bought anything recently, but they're great when I'm looking for specific components.
It's fine when item do arrive. If problems do occur, they ignore your emails and their call support is gone.
I tried contacting them for over a week now, nothing I can do but to go through paypal resolution centre.