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Atkins Plus Protein Low Carb Low Sugar Shake Banana/Iced Coffee/Chocolate 6pk $13.20 + Post ($0 Prime)/$11.88 S&S (Exp) @ Amazon

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Low carb (2.3g), Low sugar (1.7g), High Protein (25g), Great Taste
Atkins Plus Protein shakes are packed with 25 g protein to support muscle recovery and maintenance. Low in sugar and carbs, it's the perfect shake when watching your carb intake and to keep you going in between meals
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  • -1

    Healthy

  • -4

    Low carbs to support muscle recovery? 🤦‍♂️

    • +1

      What do you think your body uses to build muscle? (hint: it isn't carbs)

      • -3

        Which piece of marketing told you that? Peer reviewed studies state otherwise. Carbs are king and protein supplements are a waste of money.

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9694422/

        To maximize glycogen resynthesis after exercise, a carbohydrate supplement in excess of 1.0 g x kg(-1) body wt should be consumed immediately after competition or a training bout. Continuation of supplementation every two hours will maintain a rapid rate of storage up to six hours post exercise. Supplements composed of glucose or glucose polymers are the most effective for replenishment of muscle glycogen, whereas fructose is most beneficial for the replenishment of liver glycogen.

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17852694/

        "Exercise capacity during run 2 was greater following ingestion of CHO-PRO and CHO-CHO than following ingestion of CHO (P< or = 0.05) with no significant difference between the CHO-PRO and CHO-CHO treatments. In conclusion, increasing the energy content of these recovery solutions extended run time to exhaustion, irrespective of whether the additional energy originated from sucrose or whey protein isolate."

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24435468/

        Results: High quality and consistent data demonstrated there is no apparent relationship between recovery of muscle function and ratings of muscle soreness and surrogate markers of muscle damage when protein supplements are consumed prior to, during or after a bout of endurance or resistance
        exercise.

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25968857/

        However, to date, when protein supplements are provided, acute changes in post-exercise protein synthesis and anabolic intracellular signaling have not resulted in measureable reductions in muscle damage and enhanced recovery of muscle function.

        However, for athletes training or competing more frequently than every 24 h, using earlier carbohydrate replacement and eating foods with higher glycemic index do improve muscle glycogen replenishment. Protein supplementation and protein-carbohydrate recovery aids improve markers of muscle recovery, but these have not been shown to improve recovery of muscle function after exercise or attenuate the muscle injury that occurs during exercise. Eating whole foods seems to be as beneficial as consuming specially engineered recovery foods or beverages.

        • -1

          Whey protein is a repurposed milk waste product from the process of cheese making. It's designed as an easily digestible form of protein to extend protein synthesis, particularly after a workout. As it is a supplement and not a meal replacement, it is designed to be digested with an otherwise healthy and diverse diet.

          See:(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23571534_Ingested_p…)

          TL;DR: 0.25g/kg of protein to be ingested after resistance training.

          Your point about CHO is great and in my experience often overlooked :)

          • -1

            @Sir Flabo: I eat Zero carbs, only meat & a little dairy, and I'm ripped. I train fasted and generally eat one meal a day. Yes it's n=1, but CHO is a waste of time once you've adapted to other fuel sources. I'll admit it does take quite a few months to adapt though.

            • +1

              @ChickenTalon: Hey there,

              If you consume "zero" carbs then I would assume you are malnourished (micro-nutrient deficient) as there's no room for vegetables or fruits that would constitute a diverse diet? Or are you talking keto where you have a small allowance (~30g) that is occupied by vegetables?

              There's a difference between losing fat, performing at a high level or being healthy. You seem to be talking about eating/training for the purposes of losing fat? Fish and Grits seems to be talking in reference to performance.

              As you have said, the body is amazing and will adapt to many different diets.

              • -1

                @Sir Flabo: Zero carbs = zero carbs*. I don't eat fruit or vegetables.

                *meat contains small amounts of glycogen.

                Let me know which micro-nutrients I need which I can't get from meat.

                • @ChickenTalon: From memory I think that the micro-nutrients you can't get from meat are vitamin c, flavonoids (antioxidants) and dietary fiber are the key ones. Unless you're eating organs, youre likely missing others e.g. folate

                  Meat does contain a lot of great micro-nutrients though :)

                  • +1

                    @Sir Flabo: Flavonoids, antioxidants and fiber aren't essential micro-nutrients. They are not needed by the body.

                    Vit C is the only interesting one. I get sufficient vit C from the tiny amounts in meat, otherwise I'd have died from scurvy a long time ago. Vit C is absorbed through the same metabolic pathway as glucose, as I don't eat any glucose I'm very sensitive to the small amount I do ingest. It's complicated, but the body is capable of recycling vit C quite efficiently when dietary intake is low (and I obviously piss almost none of it out).

                    Re organs: I do eat liver, and make a sensational pate (if I do say so myself).

                    • +1

                      @ChickenTalon: Hey,

                      They may not be essential but they do have their value. Maybe have a look at free radicals/oxidative stress if you're exercising frequently? Fiber has some interesting information studies either side of it, so it's a bit debatable.

                      Do you eat diverse cuts of meats/organs and animals?

                      I've studied nutrition and sports nutrition but I'm not a dietitian so I'm not an expert by any means. It's an interesting point you made about vit c. Vit A is another example of a micro-nutrient that has low quantities in meat but doesn't seem to represent discrepancies in blood work for those on the carnivore diet - seemingly because Vitamin A is used to metabolise CHO. Studies are helpful but they usually highlight a very specific focus and are then used theoretically in broad explanations which sometimes just aren't appropriate.

                      Out of interest, what got you on your (I assume carnivore) diet?

                      • @Sir Flabo: I’m exercising very frequently. CrossFit 5x a week and cycling. I guess I trust my increased autophagy to deal with damaged cells.

                        The fibre studies are epidemiological nonsense mostly. A few studies of bacteria which thrive under high fibre diets. And again, those bacteria are epidemiologically deemed “good”. More bullshit.

                        I mostly eat beef then a bit of lamb and seafood. Liver is chicken/duck/lamb. Don’t eat much pork or chicken, it doesn’t seem to feel good after a few months of carnivore.

                        How’d I get into it? I started keto after digging into the science. I’d never heard the word “keto” (actually saw someone post the word on OZB ages ago) and so I googled it and went from there. I’m a statistician by training, so I know how to read journals. It seemed to make a lot of sense so I started keto and loved it.

                        Well I’ve been keto for a couple of years and increasingly meat based. Did some more digging and thought I’d give carnivore a go. Haven’t looked back, it’s bliss.

          • @Sir Flabo: Well the studies above all show that protein supplements are a scam, and anybody that says that cho has nothing to do with muscle recovery clearly has no clue what they are talking about.

            Wouldn’t be surprised if Pete Evans was behind this product somehow.

            • @Fish and Grits: Only a single one of the studies you linked mentioned protein supplements - the rest all seemed to be discussing other topics as they're blocked to just the abstract?

              The one that did mention protein supplements actually reinforced the study I linked to protein being ingested post exercise…
              In regards to CHO, I did mention that I agreed with your points :)

              • +1

                @Sir Flabo: Well 2 studies, one said cho+cho = cho+protein, the other said eating a normal meal provides the same benefits and is cheaper.

                Sorry wasn’t aiming my disagreement with you, was meant to be aimed at the other guy claiming cho doesn’t have anything to do with muscle recovery.

  • Looking at the ingredient list this should be easy to "replicate" at home even cheaper and maybe also healthier.
    Sugar free Protein powder, full cream milk and MCT or coconut oil instead of the sunflower oil and thickeners used in this one.
    Also DIY you can increase the fat content, which is helpful for low carb/Atkins as too much Protein vs Fat will can ruin your ketosis.

    • Milk is full of carbs.

      • How much, about 5-9%, depending on the brand?! Than take milk+water if that is too much for you. And if that's still not good enough go for water and xanthan gum or similar .

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