With this out of stock and with Dan Andrews just making wearing a face mask mandatory from Wed July 22nd, I think $19.90 / $36.90 for 50 / 100 pcs is quite a good deal. Cannot vouch for the quality as it's my first time buying too. But, something is better than not wearing not a mask, and if you just want something cheap to avoid paying the fine.
Link to 100 pcs here.
Just ordered 100 pcs, arriving 22nd July, just in time.
Back then it was all return travelers in quarantine. Now it is community transmission. They are trying to stamp it out without resorting to level 4 restrictions.
They are going to have to do a NZ level 4 if they are going to have any hope.
The above supply issue is my guess too, but the community transmission portion now has a lot to do with stopping the wearer passing it on. This is why anything in front of you mouth will slow its transmission. Its less about the mask stopping blacking the inward transmission, and more about the outward transmission. Of everyone is wearing something, then the transmission is slowed. Starve it of hosts, it does off.
If everyone assumes they have it, and does not want to pass it on, and acts according to those views, it will come under control sooner rather than later.
I need a mask and not fake cheap ones, can someone help? I would rather washable as i barely go out and dont want to have to rebuy masks none stop.
Tie a scarf around your head. Will offer the same level of protection as anything washable
Yeah. I'm with you. I go on long Google searches and it just gets more confusing. Rather the option of maximum safety for the family when the venture out but it's tough to know what to get. So much dodgy stuff. Anyone know a fair bit about it? I want to know the ultimate everyday item to get, reasonable price, maximum protection.
there isnt "fake" mask.
there are mask that arent certified or pass testing for medical use - i.e in a hospital and for surgery etc
but anything that covers your mouth seems to fit the purpose of a face mask as per the vic gov.
if you do not want to buy you can look up videos on DIY tshirt mask etc.
If they are going to make it mandatory they should at least provide us with masks
They will give out 300k initially and more on way. Awaiting to be delivered mid week and more on the way according to Dan. How they are distributed is not yet revealed.
People have scarfs or bandanas lying around the house anything that can be used.
Anything else you want? Free toilet paper? How about handing out drivers licences like confetti?
Bit harsh, but true.
Roadworthy tyres are mandatory, and they dont have to buy your tyres. If they have them sure, if not, you need to know you must still be wearing something if you go outside.
People still having this thought is what really scares me about this virus.
Many Victorians now have what appears to be permanent chronic symptoms after "recovering".
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"
The stats keep changing. Facts are conclusive.
"It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.”
– Mark Twain
All conditioning aims at that; making people like their unescapable social destiny.
-Aldous Hixley
Brave new world, written by Aldous Huxley.
If this isnt a sign I dont know what is.
pssst, it makes sense to you that millions of doctors are in on a conspiracy because your alt right bloggers told you so, and now you think that your rantings are wisdom.
Despite arguments like the flu kills too, each year that hasnt resulted in the digging of mass graves, and the need to scramble to find means of disposing of bodies like this has. This is different. Or are these more lies, fake news, photoshop? Do they hide the deaths in flu season, and instead focus on this one? Seems contrary to whatever their purpose might be to hide the true flu numbers if as you claim there is some shenanigans. If they dont hide them, then the argument stands. If they do hide them, why not hide this too? You defy logic.
The means of dealing with it are the result of advice from health professionals that this is the best course of action, sensible people listen to qualified experts even if they are on telly.
No, nothing brainwashed about you, youre the one too smart to fall for it lol…
@Tuba: Why the hate for something that is very debatable? The stats on covid have been skewed and the misrepresented information is constantly being updated.
The flu is alot worse than this 'virus' we have going on. You are completely missing the point.
Not here to insult or attack but this information is not readily found on google either because the results we get not only are filtered to remove anything that is slightly opinionated and non conforming, they also vary according to the user.
We have solid evidences on actual scary things that are going on and everytime we are distracted by a new thing to get emotional about. These are no longer 'conspiracies' and soon it will be more aparent.
@tee123: The flu kills on average, 0.4% of infected. This kills upwards of 5%. Youre deluded.
Its not debatable, but it is fodder for the sheep that buy into the alt rights attempts to undermine the system, as you go on to elude to that we are missing but you know is around, but its hard to find lololol.
@tee123: When it drops below 0.4%, call me. Even if those new numbers are right, its 3 times worse still. Thats not quite your "least scariest thing"
@Tuba: What's your number?
The Infection Fatality Rate is of Covid-19 definitely below 0.4%.
What estimate are you using for # of Infected in Australia?
@MementoMori: Like anyone sensible I use the official numbers that are based in science, that are not political, and they will change with time because they arent hiding from us, and instead give us what they have now. Science is good like that, when the time is appropriate they show us what they got wrong, and right. If youre using a number below that, then you are choosing a political argument and stance in place of science. This wider profession can hit a planet at distances most people cant understand let alone factor in, and they did some that a single craft skimmed close too several planets in a row with out of synch orbits and pulled it off over decades. Sorry, when politicians who need to divert attention from their mistakes can come close to that level of smarts, I might pay them some attention, until then Ill stick with science.
Current numbers estimate, 14 million cases, 606 thousand dead. Thats 5%. Yeah yeah, you have better numbers, no you have numbers you like more. Plenty of people think their emotions are facts, its a phenomenon at the moment in both the alt left and alt right. Aus have something along the 1.5% mark. The UK had close to 13%, their current numbers say 15%.
It could be an overall health condition of the nations making the difference, it could be how quickly we start to medically deal with it. ie: we put them on respirators much earlier, as we have enough devices and beds as we have low numbers of infected in the first place, you know, those flattening of the curve benefits. The reason we keep that number low because we will be low on the totem when demand for devices outstrips supply.
But whatever it is, even if I halve it, the number of infected who die is well over 0.4%. The number of infected as opposed to those never exposed is different. But even just an infection rate the US has close to 4,000,000 cases, which is a smidge over 1% of its population. Sure, lots of testing, but still not enough to say it doesnt underestimate the numbers, it sure wont be exaggerating them if we take that tack. And they are in all likeliness infected with something that going off their numbers is more than 10 times more likely to kill them than an ordinary flu, and its spreading. The reason it isnt as high in numbers as the flu season, is action has been taken, with the flu, it just rolls out. The flu wouldnt spread anywhere near as bad if people stayed home, and those out and about took precautions like masks and social distancing.
What they get wrong, is for after not during. Now is playing politics. But regardless, what they have done so far, Victoria aside, is get the economy going again albeit internally much sooner with immediate sacrifices, Tassie has been at 0 for 65 days. Meanwhile there are idiots in charge that refuse to listen to qualified experts and they will drag it out over a lot lot longer, all the time the economy is crashing anyway. Its like that guy at the Pokies, he lost his pay$$check, wifes gonna kill him, and he is now at the ATM pulling out the mortgage money certain he can chase his lo$$e$ and hide his tom foolery.
@Tuba: I complete agree, let's use the actual data and science.
Let's just keep it simple.
What estimate are you using for # of Infected in Australia?
Would love to know your figure on the above.
@Tuba: You gave me world wide, not for Australia.
Let's just keep it simple.
Here are our Government stats - https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavir…
Tested - 3.5M
Positive rate - 0.3%
Australian population - 25M
The original question:
What estimate are you using for # of Infected in Australia?
Would love to know what figure you have. Genuine discussion, not a being a troll :)
We can then use this figure to calculate the IFR (Infected Fatality Rate)
@MementoMori: No, I answered your question and if you really wanted to know you could base your searches on the 1.5% mortality rate. I just havent given you your wedge.
@Tuba: OK so now you are choping and changing.
Is it 1.5% mortality rate or 1.5% infection rate?
I asked for the number of infected in Australia. Total number of people - not a %.
Simple and straightforward question. As far as I can tell, you haven't answered this at all.
@Tuba: Wait, I think I found it in your post…
"Aus have something along the 1.5% mark. "
So 1.5% of 25,000,000 = 375,000 estimated infected in Australia? Have I got that right?
@Tuba: I'm happy to go with 375,000 infected.
So 375,000 infected, 123 deaths.
This is a Infected Fatality Rate of 0.0328%.
Well under the 0.4% of Influenza, less than a 10th in fact.
Data, maths and science - zero emotion.
@MementoMori: Yeah, just like it took you time to find that, it going to take you alot longer to work out why that is just as erroneous in context.
@Tuba: It took me time because you wrote a huge emotive post I needed to dig through instead of just answering the question…
Humour me - how am I wrong?
Show me with data, as you say, instead of 'I just need to think about it' (emotion).
Your claim:
The flu kills on average, 0.4% of infected. This kills upwards of 5%. Youre deluded.
It doesn't. Based on 350k infections in Australia, it's less than a 10th of the flu.
Honestly - don't wrote a huge post. Just think about it. Show me with numbers how I'm wrong here. No need to mention 'sheep' 'alt right' etc etc. Just think.
If you can't, I'll take it as a win. Cheers.
@MementoMori: Your maths is hopeless. You might be able to use a calculator, but you cant assemble an equation. Using your maths technique revolving around the entire Aussie population… the flu mortality rate becomes 0.006% or somewhere thereabouts. 1500 out of 25,000,000. You cant use the 0.4% youre relying on for comparison as that is a percentage of 300,000, not 25,000,000. Explained below if you need it.
But go on, your number of 0.0238 is a lot larger then 0.006, its not a 10th as you seem to be under the delusion of. No wonder you dont understand.
That was a pretty monumental error, and it wasnt your only one. I said it would take you a while to realise your mistake but you insisted with multiple demanding posts.
Longer version…
The 0.4% or 0.5% is based on the 300,000 people that seek medical treatment for the flu, and the 1500 that die, not 25,000,000 Australians. See above.
No one said it kills 1.5 or 5% or 13% of the uninfected population.
Sars infected number will be lower than it naturally would be, because with Sars2, unlike the flu, we took steps. We isolated, we used masks, coughed into our elbows, used santisers, social distanced etc. We dont do this for the flu, Little Snot Nosed Johnny goes to his grade 4 classes with his sniffle because Mummy and Daddy need him in day care so they can work, and take their share of Johnnys sniffle with them on the train to the office. Little Johnny sends it home with a mate, or thats where he got it, and it goes home and likewise with the offices of Mummy and Daddy and the folks sharing the train ride.
But to show you your numbers at work… to use your formula for Sars2 and the Flu… and note the flu numbers are grossly exaggerated because your formula is flawed…
- The flu would kill 100,000 a year, thats 0.4% of 25,000,000
- Sar2 will kill 1,250,000 Australians under the same maths rules. 5% of 25,000,000
Thats over 12 times deadlier, not simply double or that 10th.
No, Im not predicting that, your maths does. Im with team science, and they have the numbers at what did you say, 123. And 5% of infected will be much lower when folks listen to science as that infected number is controlled.
But plain sight, just use your eyes, when we see impromptu graves being dug to cope, including in a first world nation like the US where a large area of land being immediately transformed into graveyards for just NY, we know something is different just on sight. This has not been required for a simple flu season.
edit: of course you will take anything as a win, delusion has that habit.
@Tuba: You need to learn the definition of mortality rate (aka death rate). It's the total population divided by the number of deaths.
You are getting it confused with case fatality rate (CFR) and infected fatality rate (IFR).
You said below the IFR of Influenza is 0.4% and Covid-19 is 5%. Both of which are wrong.
The flu kills on average, 0.4% of infected. This kills upwards of 5%. Youre deluded.
Instead of insulting me and getting triggered into writing huge essay length responses, go educate yourself on these definitions.
@MementoMori: The only one splitting hairs over mortality definitions is you. The official numbers, all use infected, recovered, dead. No one is comparing it to the entire population except you. Not even your link does that. No one is asking what is the population of the nation.
You linked me to a page, that gave the revised number as 1.4% for covid, and I accepted it, and that 1.4% is of the infected, not the entire population. They explain why they come to that number, although they dont demonstrate if its reliably done or their actual methodology, but lets run with it, its your link and still doesnt support you. So to make it fair, I used that same justification to adjust the flu number too so its now apples and apples, not apples and oranges. Fairs fair.
Until this point, youve been wanting to use the OFFICIAL unreliable according to you, flu stat. Because, 0.4% is the percentage that is 1500 out of 300,000. Note, no 25,000,000 there either. The covid number adjustment is based in the number of asymptomatic people that never get tested or counted. And they conclude that they need to adjust the official number by multiplying it by 10. Then they double the dead, for similar reasons.
But Id argue that its far more likely someone with the flu, doesnt see a doctor than for covid, I know never do so it would likely be a much higher multiplier, but lets stick with your 10x, and double the dead.
For the flu numbers, they give the 0.4 as a result of the near 300,000 that saw a Dr in 2017, and the Dr said, yep flu. And the 1500 that died as a result of flu related complications in that same year. Note, again theres no 25,000,000 here.
So, heres the numbers, all using the same rules.
To use the same statistical correction based on those not seeking help being 10 times that number (your link did this with covid), thats 3,000,000 (10x300,000) people had the flu, most of which never saw a doctor. And your covid link doubled the dead, so the flus 1500 is now 3000. That is 0.1% of people who have the flu, die. And covid was given as 1.4% by your link. This is an apple, and an apple. You want to use an apple and an orange. if you dont like the flu adjustment, then you cant advocate the covid adjustment either.
That is still 14 times higher than the flu. This isnt hard, you picked the wrong team and are too sheepish to admit it.
The same will be true if we use both numbers across the entire population anyway. The flu number will be smaller than the covid number by a significant number. The only people looking to use this, are politically motivated no matter how they wish to deny it. There is no logical basis for the argument.
Its impossible to talk about how contagious it is in the real world as we took steps to change that.
@MementoMori: And you need to do more/better reading and learn to compare apples with apples. His basic point that Covid9 is significantly more lethal and is far more easily spread than flu stands.
Good to see you raise the IFR number. IFRs are estimates and world data on Covid19 is problematic however on current estimates Covid19 may be **up to 50 to 100 times more deadly (based on USA numbers) according to Columbia Uni and a Wollongong epidemiologist.
Other preliminary studies aren't as stark - IFR estimates vary widely from nation to nation and we won't know worldwide averages for years - but they all point to the fact that Covid19 is many times more dangerous than seasonal flu.
"Meyerowitz-Katz determined that somewhere between 1 and 10 people die for every 100,000 that are infected. For COVID-19, that number ranges between 500 and 1,000 deaths per 100,000 infections. By his calculations, the coronavirus is likely to be 50 to 100 times more deadly than the seasonal flu, which supports the Columbia University findings."
"Current estimates of the IFR for the coronavirus range from 0.4 to 1.5 percent — so anywhere from 4 to 15 times higher than the flu, which has an IFR of about 0.1 percent. The challenge with estimating the IFR for the coronavirus is that infections are more difficult to pin down than deaths."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2 discusses the IFRs
Plenty more like this if you're interested.
@[Deactivated]: He's not interested, the argument is politically motivated, and worse, not even originating from Aus.
@Tuba: Don't really care where he comes from, societal ignorance (and I'm not talking about knowledge here) and selfishness are (broadly) universal. Do unto others is a good starting point for life, he might come to realise that at some point.
@[Deactivated]: I didnt mean he wasnt from here, I meant the anti science and anti establishment basis of current political argument. I have no idea if he is even he, let alone local.
@MementoMori: It took me less than thirty seconds to find the data you're so keen to know @MementoMori, less time than it took you to write one your comments.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
12,069 cases, 123 deaths. Current mortality rate about 1% in this country. Other countries less focused/wealthy/interested may fare far worse.
The Australian rates of transmission and mortality have likely been suppressed by a huge increase in resources (ventilators etc) and community diligence (cleanliness etc), and a national focus/response (the lockdowns). Early estimates of corona virus mortality and infection rates were based on SARS and MERS numbers. Response to this virus and learning from those outbreaks have probably helped reduce both transmission and death rates.
Community flu rates are under-reported so mortality rates are a guesstimate. Anecdotally we know that thousands of people go to work with mild doses of the flu and/or don't bother visiting a doctor since there is little a doctor can do. Flu is possibly a "lesser" threat overall (depending on the demographic it seems) because we have some herd immunity, we have a level of preventative innoculation for the more vulnerable, and we have decades of research and experience to help deal with it.
There are many articles discussing FLU V Corona Viruses - including transmission and death rates, you might like to read a few: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/how-does-coronavir…
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu…
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks#Novel-coronavirus-(COVID-19)
The economic impact V public health debate is entirely different. An undeniable fact is that the greater the transmission the higher the number of deaths. Then it's a matter of law of the jungle/survival of the fittest V social responsibility/care. Some who think they're unlikely to be seriously affected health-wise (but who would of course expect expert health care if they required it and give little if any consideration to the effects on health workers and their families) think the economic impact has been too great. Without a vaccine, sooner or later restrictions will have to be eased. At this point I'll leave it to the experts to decide when and how that happens.
Community flu rates are under-reported so mortality rates are a guesstimate.
No. Mortality rate (aka death rate) is not a function of cases (reported nor unreported). See my previous post for the proper definition.
Once again, we have another know it all getting all high and mighty about how they follow 'science and data', yet they can't figure out a simple mortality (death) rate.
12,069 cases, 123 deaths. Current mortality rate about 1% in this country.
Again, no. Understand what mortality rate means and how it's different from CFR and IFR. It's really important for us to have these conversations.
Not to mention, no one has answered this simple question yet… so it hasn't taken you 'less than 30 seconds' to find anything. Here is it again:
What estimate are you using for # of Infected in Australia?
Until this is answered we can't compare against @Tuba's claim of Covid-19 being higher or lower than her stated 0.4% IFR of the Flu.
Until this is answered we can't compare against @Tuba's claim of Covid-19 being higher or lower than her stated 0.4% IFR of the Flu.
Have never understood willful ignorance myself. We can and I showed you a variety of current expert analysis. Here's another about Au IFRs. Again took < 30 secs. If you spent time searching, reading and absorbing instead of thumping your chest you'd be aware of all this.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/why-does-the-coron…
In the washup the flu V corona debate is a red herring. The facts are undeniable but largely irrelevant. Why don't you actually state your personal driver. I'll sum up what I've inferred from your posts. You think you're not likely to be affected. You think some deaths are a fair price to pay - friends and family included presumably. You aren't concerned about the jeopardy posed to older people or workers - esp health workers, You'd expect the support of your community (including senior doctors, nurses etc) if you were to become seriously injured or ill but your current "economic" needs are a higher priority (current because history shows things will turn around within a few years, give or take). If this is inaccurate why don't you actually say what your drivers are instead of insinuating?
@[Deactivated]: Once again, lots of waffle but no estimation.
I’ve asked this question about four times and haven’t got an answer, so I can only assume you don’t have one and therefore don’t know what you’re talking about.
@MementoMori: Spoonfeeding is for kiddies, most of us graduated to sourcing and reading credible information ourselves long ago. Give it a try sometime. You'll have to search and absorb lots of related information but the answer(s) you aren't looking for - and won't like - are in the links I provided. They are also explicit in an extract I posted above about IFRs.
Assume whatever you like - that appears to be your starting and finishing point. Won't change the facts which you are oblivious to.
@tee123: When so many people, including Victorians who have chronic symptoms after recovering, why is the only thing you care about the death rate? Seriously, ask those who recovered months ago and if you have known friends or relatives who recovered, ask them what it's like for not being able to breath when climbing stairs?
Many more Victorians are starting to have these respiratory symptoms. From what I know from UK and China, there's no evidence that suggests this is not permanent yet.
@tee123: Covid19 stats have indeed been skewed - speculatively by national administrations looking to flatten actual numbers (the reverse of what you appear to be suggesting), sometimes because systems and resources aren't in place to test for widely for Covid1 and to record accurate data, other times because the focus of health workers has been on healing etc not on admin. For example, Belgium has high(er) fatality rates because it (generally) attributes deaths to C19 on the basis of reasonable supposition. In a few years when epidemiologists look at world wide data and the inevitable plethora of studies into Covid19, Belgium's death rates will probably reduce somewhat whereas other countries' rates will increase.
Statisticians are already working on normalising data on Covid19 mortality rates by comparing typical annual death rates with death rates during the pandemic. Even these numbers will not be precise, but they will overcome some of the data recording problems mentioned above (including intentional falsification by under-reporting countries).
Stats for any ongoing event are by their nature "evolving" and therefore must be updated as more data is added. That's a fundamental part of statistical analysis. Data will eventually also be improved (made more reliable - unless you're a typical conspiracy theorist) by applying standards and removing suspected anomalies. Again, fundamental steps in making data more reliable/accurate.
There is a huge amount of information on worldwide Covid19 data available from John Hopkins Uni, as well as many articles which discuss the difficulties/problems with current data.
I haven't found any reliable reports which agree with your assertion that the flu is a lot worse than this 'virus'. Can you point them out?
@[Deactivated]: You don’t need reports, you can easily work out the mortality rates for both yourself with the current available data for Australia.
Mind you, this would require a mindset shift and for you to think for yourself, rather than being told what’s true from something you read on the Internet.
Believe it or not, I’m actually trying to help you.
@MementoMori: Really? Another Ozbargainer who puts his own self-assessed wisdom before the myriad credible analyses publicly available on the internet. I'm shocked. Ignorance is one thing - excusable in some cases, wilfull ignorance like yours is puerile.
Lots of reusable maks being sold on Facebook market place right now in bigger cities. Good way to support fellow Aussies who are out of work, it's Australian made, and at a fraction of the cost. They sell for around $10 a piece
CE certification? Yeah mate if thats the only certification they can put up then my god you might as well just make yourself a mask out of paper
That is not the European CE symbol (the letter spacing is wrong). It's probably just a China Export symbol.
thanks op bought some
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Western Australia is one of the safest place to live in. So far no community transmission recorded. Mark is managing this pandaminc really well. Since all this started i have never spent a dollar on masks.
Might have something to do with not having 5.2 million people squeezed in a 80x80km zone?
We also get x25 the amount of International passengers as WA.
How's the weather there?
I'm guessing, like Qld everyone is enjoying the outdoors right about now
hows the testing going?
As quoted by chairman Andrews- “It need to stress it not be a hospital-grade mask, it not be one of the handmade masks like I was wearing when I came in today. It can be a scarf, it can be a homemade mask.”
Down from $179
Scumbags.
Does not meet AS 4381:2015 standard either.
"Arrives: 21 - 29 Sep"
Ships from China, you'll get them when this is all over.
Positive thinking.
tho…. thats what we thought about shipments arrive in july / august right
Ordered the chemist one online
link??
So no more getting on the beers?
they're $4.95 at chemist warehouse for a pack of 50
Link?
$49
Individually wrapped in cellophane? Anyone?
Won't the virus just go around the sides of the mask?
probably down your shirt, to the back, crawl up your neck then into your ear
They're to protect other people. If everyone wears them they breathe into the mask instead of on other people. They are limited in protecting the wearer, but with shields or goggles they offer more protection to the wearer if used correctly. These ones offer less protection than proper surgical masks (a fairly safe assumption that these are not legit).
Just bought pack of 3 for $2.50 from 2 dollar shop. This may last a while. Good for avoiding fines.
They won't make me wear one. No one is going to take away my rights.
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Male Karen
You don't have to wear one.. Just have to pay the $200 everytime you're spotted without one
Or run everywhere and carry one in your pocket.
not sure if any good but just grabbed https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184282529800
just so i dont get a fine.
i'm using 3M N95s then reusing them by decontamination them using UV light for 30mins each side using a 150W UV nail polish dryer. its more safer than using those type of masks.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/d…
Where and how much are you paying for yours? Months ago Amcal was selling 3M N95 made in Singapore for $15/pop!
Dunno know about "now" since the announcement but you could probably settle on 3M brand KN95 masks (lol "Chinese standards") but at least being a reputable brand it's more likely to match what the standards actually say.
I don't have a UV light though. I have mine against a bright window for a couple of days. Luckily I have some N95s leftover from a bushfire purchase early in the year to rotate through.
yeah got mine months ago from bunnings. still got around 10 left. steaming it with hydrogen peroxide seems to be the go with medical professions working in high contamination areas. UV light on those nail dryers is placed in an arc so its better then a single source UV light.
Avoid CHEAP homemade face masks (made in China or India). You will get more bacteria from it.
Would this be more legit of a Surgical Mask? https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50-pcs-CE-Certified-Surgical-Fac…
It has listed its CE Certificate number in its description as well.
I would recommend not using ebay and purchasing from an Australian business (online is fine) that sells medical supplies.
eg.
https://www.medcon.com.au/products/apparel/facemasks/surgica…
https://www.apemedical.com.au/product/strapit-surgimask-bx-5…
https://www.halyardhealth.com.au/products/infection-preventi…
Note: I do not endorse any of these places, just did a quick online search.
You'll note that often they'll sell as ex-gst, all mention which "level (1, 2, 3)" masks they are, as well as that they meet Australian Standard and list the standard number.
I'd be just as wary of any of "Aussie" businesses you'll find via a quick online search.
The about us for the last link reads like someone with Google Translate, trying to hit a word count, writing a report for a book they didn't read.
Surgimasks are made in level 2 barrier protection, which is in between level 1 and 3 protection ranges.
And these are made where?
The same country where the virus came from.
and also where probably 80% of the worlds mask come from…?
Thanks OP! Just ordered 1200 face masks for myself and my workers (electrical trade). As we're based in Victoria and don't want anyone to cop a fine.
I ordered 400 for my business as well. Same reason, just don't want any staff or the business from getting fined. The other reason is some of them might flog a few as well. So cheap is good.
There's a long list of retailers and manufacturers who have opted out from a TGA review of face/surgical masks.
https://www.tga.gov.au/post-market-review-face-masks-cancell…
I wonder who's in it for a quick buck? Support those who stand by what they sell.
Not everyone who opted out was in it to make a quick buck. The small privately owned company I work for is on that list. Because the first manufacturer whilst passing the appropriate testing wasn’t up to our standard. We still hold a listing on TGA for the KN95 we did supply & still do supply. We sell our TGA surgical masks for $22.50+GST for a box of 50. So not exactly profiting as it’s not a normal product line for us.
However if they are not a normal medical supplier & on that list there is a good possibility that they did import them for profit
I appreciate there are medical companies on the list who have legitimate TGA approved products like yours, However with few N95 masks around, many are sourcing inferior grade masks, charging more and in some cases claiming equivalent level of protection by using similar terminology eg. 3 Layer, 95% particle protection, surgical. etc. Australians have had to learn the hard way over the last few months that not all surgical masks are equal even if they look the same.
My guess is it was due to supply - back when supplies were lower and needed to go to the front line health workers as priority