"Ultimate" Computer Build for a Friend ($6500 Budget)

Hi guys,

A friend of mine is looking for me to build a PC for him, and he hasn't had an upgrade for years, so trying to get the best possible machine for his budget.

What I have put together so far is as follows from PCPartsPicker, but would like to know what to change to get the best performing box, and any changes to reduce cost so he can spend on software etc.

What are your thoughts ? What should be changed ? Are there any single stores that would price match this so I don't have to order from 10 stores etc ?

General requirements: 6 x multi monitor, multi purpose machine, gaming + research (machine learning, virtual machines, crypto etc) + large format web browsing, large hoarding capacity (RAID1 or other for redundancy), $6500 budget, dual DVD writer (yes, I know it's odd, but he specifically asked for it), and as quiet as possible.

Cheers,

Damien

V1 - PCPartPicker Part List

V2
PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor $670.42 @ Amazon Australia
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $139.00 @ PCCaseGear
Motherboard MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $293.70 @ Newegg Australia
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $359.70 @ Newegg Australia
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $435.00 @ Centre Com
Storage Seagate EXOS Enterprise 16 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $608.30 @ Newegg Australia
Storage Seagate EXOS Enterprise 16 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $608.30 @ Newegg Australia
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP Video Card $1644.70 @ Device Deal
Case be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 Rev. 2 ATX Full Tower Case $369.00 @ Umart
Power Supply Corsair HX Platinum 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $381.00 @ Skycomp Technology
Optical Drive Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $85.00 @ PC Byte
Optical Drive Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $85.00 @ PC Byte
Monitor LG 27GL850-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor $799.00 @ PC Byte
Keyboard Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Standard Keyboard $218.25 @ Amazon Australia
Mouse Logitech G604 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Optical Mouse $165.00 @ Newegg Australia
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $6861.37
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-29 16:01 AEST+1000

Comments

  • +6

    What is his purpose? Gaming / design / excel?

    • +1

      Gaming is his main purpose for the power, but he needs support for 6 monitors as he likes to multitask games and browsing and office applications

      • +44

        GAMER
        6 monitors
        orders : 75hz

        ok this is clearly a Troll

          • +23

            @abb: Said by someone who has never used a high refresh monitor?

              • +11

                @abb: I don't play competitive games either and I personally would prefer 4K30/60 vs 1080p120/144, but to suggest there's no discernible difference is completely incorrect and not a sword worth dying on.

              • @abb: Sure a 60hz screen for an hour. Use a 144hz screen for an hour.

                Get back to us.

                • @Pacify: Haha I don't game on PC any more, would my web browser or text editor show up any difference?
                  I'm happy to do the experiment when I find a spare 144Hz monitor ;)
                  My current screens are only 60Hz sadly (not even 75 like my old one was, weak!)

                  I play some games on a 100Hz TV, but can't really compare as there are many other factors (distance, lighting, content, seating, etc). I suspect the console only runs at 50 or 60 fps anyway, but the TV does do some interpolation (which may or may not be a good thing, depending on the content).

          • @abb: This was a sham from people back in the day, who were on 60hz monitors, and telling people they couldn't see the difference in any higher frames than 60.

            • @NatoTomato: The link I posted actually says a lot of people can see a difference up to 90Hz or so, but it doesn't actually make you any better at the game.

          • @abb: The brain can not 'react' as you say to a refresh rate. Yes, most people have ~180 to 250ms delay when responding to a visual stimulus with their hand.

            What they can do is react 10ms (60Hz to 144Hz), or even 3ms earlier (144Hz to 240Hz) on average, giving that player an edge in some games.

            Higher refresh rates should provide smoother motion. But due to limitations with current technologies, they often introduce a type of blur called ghosting.

            • @This Guy: 10ms slower is 10ms slower. Your reaction time only starts when you see it. So if you see the picture later, your reaction time starts from then.

              Plenty of tech Youtubers have tested and come to the conclusion it's not going to make you a spectacular gamer but might make you hit shots you'd sometimes miss. One of the videos I was watching the other day on Paul's Hardware Youtube channel, one guy was nailing shots with a sniper in one of the games that he'd normally not attempt. In some cases reaction rates were slower so I don't think these Youtubers are shilling. Linus Tech Tips also made a couple of interesting videos.

              That said I play Fortnite on a 60Hz monitor and don't feel like spending $350+ to upgrade to something so I don't miss a few shots, portentially, maybe, occasionally, sometimes.

        • +5

          No, this is not a troll, but I have been using 60hz monitors and they work fine for my purposes. If I should alter the specifications just let me know what would work better rather than being negative.

          • @tusker: It's a good point.

            For that budget, get faster monitors otherwise you will not see the benefits.

            However, what's the gaming screen resolution? The graphics cards may not even process more than 60fps on all 6 monitors (so more research is needed)…

            • @Friendly Troll: Based on the feedback I have received (thanks btw), it looks like maybe getting one LG 27GL850-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor, to be driven by a RTX 2080 Super, and then find a combo of motherboard + cheaper video card for non-gaming monitor usage.

              • @tusker: Gaming on a single 1440p 144Hz monitor with 2080 sounds good!

                2080 may be overkill on 1440p but why not :)

                • +1

                  @Friendly Troll: I currently run a 2080 on 1440p and it's not overkill with a 165hz monitor

              • @tusker: You can always get a 144 Hz monitor and if you don't like the higher refresh rate, just set it to 60 Hz.

                • -1

                  @Leggy: Good point, and can underclock and undervolt the GPU and CPU to reduce heat

      • +1

        wow 6 monitors….dual surround mode, one of top of each other…..that would be a site to see….

        • +1

          i would like to sight the site too on completion.

  • +10

    Is it time sensitive? spending a high budget months before the new GPU series are release (in store as early as Sept) seems silly.
    Especially considering the rumours that the new series will require new PCIe connectors. So yould need to do a rebuild to upgrade the GPU in the future.

    • What is worth waiting for? Won't it work out more expensive to get the latest model?

      • +3

        Yes they will be more expensive, but more functional and powerful for everyday use/gaming compared to Sli.
        Drop the 2 cards and buy one decent one. It would work out better. And the rig will be future proofed more

      • +12

        Right now a top-end dream machine gaming PC with overkill everything is about $3000.

        So you are already way into the territory where you are spending thousands extra for single-digit percentage gains in performance.

        The new GPUs (and maybe even the new CPUs) will be a lot more significant gains than that, and likely won't cost much more than the current top-end flagship parts.

        • How is the top end gaming PC be around $3k when the RTX 2080 is already $2k ? And then waiting around for new GPUs that cost even more ?

          • @tusker: RTX 2080 ti is "only" around $1600-1700 AUD.

            https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/fZ848d/msi-geforce-rtx-2…

            RTX 2080 is even cheaper (half the price, 30% less performance).

            Since the most RAM-hungry games can't use more than about 12GB RAM, 32GB will be overkill for many years yet, maybe even 16GB, if RAM requirements continue to grow at a similar rate as they always have.

          • @tusker: Get the RTX2070 8G super evo for $900

        • +1

          I disagree.

          2080ti is half that budget.
          i9 is another $1000. You've now got $500 to spend on a motherboard, psu and ram.

          You can definitely build a beast with $3000 but no way a top of the line dream machine.

        • +4

          Yeah exactly, this is wasteful overkill

          A $3k-$4k machine will do just as well as this $6k machine, but leaves you with $2k-$3k for upgrades in a year or two. (Which will leave this $6k machine in the dirt)

    • new PCIe connectors

      You mean the extra power connector right? Surely the motherboard/edge connector isn't changing…

      • Yeah, sorry it's an updated PCIe power connector.
        Potentially forcing a PSU upgrade

    • when u got money to burn, nothing is sensitive haha

  • +14

    Go a 2080TI instead of 2 2070's
    I'd go 2TB SSD at least.

    • The 2080TI is more than double the price of the 2070, no?

      He also needs support for 6 monitors, so dual cards make sense for me.

      • +24

        Prioritising 6 low-spec monitors over performance for an 'ultimate gaming' rig doesn't make sense to the rest of us.

        • -2

          Not just gaming, this guy pretty much just lives on his PC, and wants to have separate screens to logically separate things.

          • +2

            @tusker: So he lives on his PC but wants you to build him one? Someone who has to ask on forums what to do…? Looks like you are a novice in looking at parts and have no idea what he needs. Sure it's not for yourself? If you're having this many issues knowing what to look for, I'm scared about you installing everything together in the case. I don't know anyone into computers that wouldn't want to build one themselves. The only thing that might worry some is a custom water cooling setup.

            • +3

              @Whisper Quiet: I don't have the cash to do it for myself, would love to have this machine. I am not asking on the forums as to what to do, I'm asking for opinions because I haven't purchased any non-server gear for a long time, and using the wealth of knowledge of the people in a forum will likely end up with a better end result than just myself reading specifications. Real world experience trumps any specifications, and that is what I needed.

              I am not going to go and buy thousands of dollars of equipment, trying out every combination of parts to end up with the best machine, spending way over budget in the process and taking much longer, therefore leaning on other peoples recent purchase experience will definitely help the whole process and experience.

              I don't know why I need to justify myself as to my lack of knowledge and experience, and why I am reaching out for help where I can see my own deficiencies clearly enough already.

              In any case, with a Noctua NH-D15S or Dark Rock Pro 4 should be able to cope even with "normal level" overclocking, going for a custom water cooling setup can be a future project when he wants to get into higher level overclocking.

              • -6

                @tusker:

                I don't have the cash to do it for myself, would love to have this machine.

                …says the someone whose a "software engineer"….

                • +1

                  @Zachary: I have a family to support, with life commitments that mean I do not have spare cash to throw around.

                  As a software engineer, having a machine like this would definitely be useful, speeding up various builds making development time much more pleasant, running virtual machines and build bots etc. Maybe the video card would be overkill for me, but the rest I can see a benefit.

                  • -1

                    @tusker:

                    I have a family to support, with life commitments that mean I do not have spare cash to throw around.

                    Life and family commitments are overrated…

              • +1

                @tusker: Have you ever built a computer before? There's so many different things you need to look out for and handle. That's a lot of money to be risking for someone who sounds inexperienced in many aspects, as you said you haven't done anything for years. I would get someone else to put it together if I was you. My friend and I have been building PC's for ourselves, friends and as a side business for a while. Even we make mistakes here and there but know how to rectify it, or figure out why somethings not working as it should. There's even some boards that won't accept RAM that's 3200mhz, 36000, etc to install but has to be set as 24000 then you can put it back it to its default speed. I just hope you know what you're doing.

                • @Whisper Quiet: Thanks for your concern, though I am pretty confident in my ability to do the actual build. I used to run a side business building desktop PCs in the 90s, and have been working with server systems since then. I manage server farms, running Linux or Windows, in various locations around the world, and have run into many many issues over that time, and have resolved them mostly on my own.

                  Maybe the original build wasn't ideal, and there were flaws in the design, and not knowing exact models of various hardware components might have made it seem like I am totally incompetent, though it maybe that I am just self deprecating too much.

                  In any case, I do understand that there are many things to consider during the build, from airflow, heat transfer, bus speeds and channel width. Ensure that there is adequate cable management, enough power to drive it, etc.

      • +9

        Dual cards makes zero sense if his going to be playing games.

        The best option is to buy the single best you can afford…

        As for the arguement of needing to run multiple monitors you can buy a cheap graphics card for the remaining monitors…

        • Good idea about a cheap card for the multi monitor support, thanks!

        • eding to run multiple monitors you can buy a cheap graphics card for the remaining monitors…

          how this work? tia

      • Why 6 monitors? At this budget, a huge 144hz ultrawide will be just as productive but way better for games.

        • +1

          He already has 5 monitors that he would like to reuse, as a sort of control centre type arangement. Then one good monitor for gaming.

          If we go with this huge 144hz ultrawide, can we do it within budget ?

  • +7

    what's the purpose of spending that much money?
    is your friend going to play all the latest release games?

    There are things that you can but back like the hard drive.
    You won't fill up the 16TB HD straight away. So you can hold back and but the second one later when the first one is almost full and price has gone down.

    and you really have to consider whether SLI is worth the money.

    • As answered above, he wants to play the latest games, but also for the system to be viable for quite a number of years.

      He is a hoarder, so needs that space. The drives will be RAID1 for redundancy, in case of disk failure.

      • IDK man, I can fit a second system(NAS) with that budget.

        4K for main PC and another 1.5K for monitor and another 1K for NAS.

        Personally, I would 3K Main PC, 2.5K NAS and another 500-1K for monitors. Key board and mouse shouldn't cost more than 200 for decent ones, unless looking at custom mechanical keyboards.

        I personally would trust my data on more than one place such as second system like current system/laptop + NAS + offsite/cloud. Raid is great and all but unless you looking to gain performance and reliability no point going RAID 1 for main system, have look at raid 5/10.

  • +7

    It's been a while since I've been in the PC game but a motherboard that costs as much as a high-end graphics card seems pretty off to me.

    • Yeah, good point, any suggestions on replacement?

  • +9

    Ditch sli, ditch 1 hdd and get a decent monitor.

    • -1

      So, how to support 6 monitors, RAID for redundancy? What monitor do you suggest?

      • +3

        If you want a 16TB RAID and have a crazy-high budget like this, get a 2 or 4 bay NAS instead. Then whatever he hoards is available on his phone/laptop/TV etc too, and not just when the PC is running.

        • +1

          The PC will be on all day anyway, so not really a concern, but maybe an external NAS might work out budget wise and be more flexible, thanks for the idea.

  • +7
    • Why aren't you building with a Ryzen? Significantly better performance for less cost and heat?
    • Mobo is crazy expensive - you could get a B550 for a couple hundred and get all the best features.
    • 16TB of storage is huge - I would replace both 16TB drives with a single 2TB SSD
    • SLI is a waste of money and offers almost no performance increase. Get the 2080 super if you need something.
    • +2
      • The i7-10700 looks cheaper and faster than a Ryzen 9 3700. What do you suggest exactly?
      • OK, good idea.
      • the guy is a hoarder and needs RAID storage for redundancy.
      • is the 2080 super really cheaper?
      • +1
        • For "Maxed out" performance yes. But look at the benchmarks - the Ryzen 5/7 3600X/3700X are modern chips with better features and nearly comparable specs.
          https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus
        • 16TB raid probably isn't the best, other users mentioned RAID NAS which I would personally lean towards, but I don't care/need bulk storage.
        • Doesn't matter if it's cheaper then 2x2070's (But I imagine it is). SLI is mostly useless now, because games aren't optimized towards it because it's so rare - it's a self-sustaining cycle. A single 2070 Super will play all modern games at 4k 60+ fps.
      • Yep look at benchmarks, but I think i7-10700 still wins in gaming performance.

        Otherwise zigzagoonmemes is right. Get a few TB of SSDs, put the 2 x 16GB in a NAS (or 4 x 8 if that works out cheaper, or 2 x 8 to save money and get a quality monitor that can do 144hz - 75hz is too low for a $2k build these days, let alone a $6k one).

  • +4

    are those two 16tb hard drives for long term storage?? you'd be better off shaving some of the cost off some of the other devices and getting a NAS with some smaller drives in a RAID setup. I would hate to dump my lifetime's worth of data on one and have it die.

    Echoing the monitor comment too. So much money spent on graphics cards, yet a 75hz monitor? Aim for a 144hz screen with Gsync/Freesync etc. I personally use an LG 27GL850 and like it…

    • Yes, long term hoarder, so RAID between the drives. Is there a cheaper alternative with 16 TB usable storage using a NAS ? What about performance over the network vs local performance?

      Yeah, will look at the LG, thanks.

      • +2

        A single 27" is unlikely to impress, look at the 49" s-uw's.

        • Those look crazy expensive, and would crowd out the space for all other monitors he already has…

  • +14

    Seriously? This seems like a list of the most expensive parts, not the best.

    This must be a virtual machine host of some description, if so more cores = Ryzen.

    32 storage? What for? If it’s for a raid and file security buy smaller drives and put them in a NAS. Almost all cases for that much storage would be better off loaded to a different device than kept on machine.

    SLi is a waste.

    Buy a decent monitor for the sake of all that is good. All this hardware with a monitor like this 😐. Seriously what is the use case here?

    • +2

      I concur, the build makes no sense

    • Not trying to get the most expensive parts at all, trying to get the best value, so obviously I've chosen wrong, which is why I reached out.

      OK, fine, so cheap graphics card for "multi monitor" requirement, and then a good single video card and good single monitor for his gaming requirements. What video card and monitor combo do you recommend if not SLi ?

  • +12

    sli in 2020 LoL

    This build seems all over the place to be honest. Get rid of the other gpu and get a better monitor. Why have all this horse power if you're going to do it on a 1440@75hz?

    • Any actual recommendations on monitor, and is the rtx 2070 super good enough if standalone ?

      • Why not remove one of the GPUS and one of the big HDDs and get a 2080?

        I recently bought a 27" lg 27gl850, it's a very good monitor, the price does seem to jump down randomly at times though. Probably out of your budget though.

  • +4

    2008 called, they want their SLI and intel CPUs back. 32TB of storage, lot of porn

    • +1

      At the top end, Intel still wins for gaming performance, barely. Ryzens are popular because they are faster at the same price point across most of the range, so they are better value for money. But that's obviously not a priority for this guy.

      • +2

        I dont understand this build

        monitor is a 1440 75 Hz, I'm running a Ryzen 3600x with 2070, 32BGB ram, M.2 SSD, displaying 1080@120hz on current AAA games and or 4K@120hz on older games. Less than a quarter the price will max out that monitor, burning money IMO

        • +1

          OP doesn't seem too knowledgeable from the looks of things or hasn't looked in a few years. I'm surprised he was asked to build it.

          • +4

            @Caped Baldy: Yup, agreed, I have a lack of recent knowledge, so have made some bad choices.

            I have been asked to build it as a favour for him, and as a learning experience for myself, so criticisms are definitely useful.

  • +1

    RAID 6 3 raptors or something (they are like 45USD each). 6,5k for only 1TB of fast storage isnt great for a gaming pc.

    • What models do you recommend ? And 2TB SSD is what you'd suggest then ?

  • I'd say buy best bang for buck PC and save the rest for a rainy day/kfc.

    • +2

      Yep obviously much better off buying top of the line dream machine for $2-3k and saving the rest to buy another one in 3 years (or buying a 4k projector and surround sound system or giant monitors or whatever).

  • +3

    For that budget he could easily get a Ryzen 3950 build with 2080Ti. But I’d wait till the Ryzen 4000s come out with high end CPUs and you can get NVIDIA 3000 GFX.

    The build you’ve suggested is not a good build. As others have said, get a fast 2TB M2 SSD, a 4TB HDD and a networked Synology NAS with some cheaper 8TB drives in it, for less money.

    Personally I’d also scrap the 6 screens for the new Samsung 49 inch ultrawide that’s been doing the rounds here.

  • +3

    First thing I noticed : 75Hz

    • But it is suddenly 6 x 75hz - swordfish style, so 450hz total = ultimate gamer build.

      • +2

        Sorry to surprise you with his existing stock of monitors, but yes, swordfish style is what he is going for.

        • My question is are the screens being used to create one large screen? or are they separate independent screens running separate applications?

          If you notice a lot of media advertising displays use one output and enlarge it for a 2x2, 4x4, or even 3x3 any combination of screens to effectively blow up the image. Start with 1 HDMI input and the multiplexer device spits output that can be plugged into display screens. Good if you after low cost command centre large single screen.

          https://www.blackbox.com/en-es/blog/technology/technology/20…

          • @hoey888: That's a good idea actually, but he may want the flexibility to chop and change whenever he wants, and drive the screen configuration from the PC. Sometimes having 2x2 matrix, sometimes having 4 separate screens etc, but yeah, good idea.

      • what's sf style?

  • +1

    titan rtx gpu dude

    and TR 3390x

    • Even a 2080 is better than 2 x 2070s, since most modern games can't SLI (and in the old days, the ones that did were never twice as fast as a single card anyway).

  • Maybe your friend needs to find somebody else to build for him? Nothing about this makes sense.

    A better friend would deliver better performance for well under budget rather than spending every cent possible.

    • +2

      Please suggest an alternate build then, trashing over bad decisions without providing any alternatives isn't helpful to anyone.

    • +3

      i agree.

      wired standard keyboard - $219 wtf are you thinking when you do this?
      just blow the budget yea?

      if you need 2 x 16TB hard drives then you should find the 'delete' key on keyboard maybe.

      a Coolermaster PSU? so you splash out on everything else and get a cheap 1200watt PSU. horrible idea.

      get a better processor if you have $750 to spend on motherboard

      • For a solid mechanical keyboard, what do you suggest? He doesn't like the feeling of the standard "digital switch" keyboards. There are so many products out there, and I've heard that the K70 was a good choice, but maybe I am wrong about that.

        Yeah, well, some people are hoarders, and this guy has specific requirements around data storage. Yes he should probably "delete" more, and "control" himself a bit.

        the v2 build is looking like a Ryzen 9 3900X, with the B550 motherboard, so what PSU do you suggest to replace the Coolermaster that is modular, powerful and relatively quiet ?

        • i'd stick with Corsair or Silverstone. read the reviews.

          coolermaster is kinda budget low end stuff. basically, it's near impossible to pin point power supply issues - it's only my opinion - but for me this is a crucial component, i use Corsair RMx 750 in my main - its just been awesome with 7 year warranty you're good to go. i wouldnt buy coolermaster as any crucial component.

          i dont know about keyboard, but $220? why? pretty lights? for sure, in shop the K70 looks pretty good.

          i've done the 20 TB myself before, but then you realise that you dont have that much data even, maybe im doing it wrong, plus you have to backup the important stuff somewhere, yea?

        • ah youve changed it.

          very nice! you dont want be tearing your hair out swapping out components because of random shutdowns etc.

          and SLI is so dead +1 for 2080ti

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