Razer Viper Ultimate Hyperspeed Lightest Wireless Gaming Mouse & RGB Charging Dock: Fastest Gaming Mouse Switch - 20K DPI Optical Sensor - Chroma Lighting - 8 Programmable Buttons - 70 Hr Battery
Also you can get from JB HI FI for $230 https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/razer-viper-ultimate-wire…
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Widely regarded as the best wireless mouse on the gaming market currently.
Solid price.
Better than Logitech G Pro?
Similar in terms of weight and latency but arguably better ergonomics.
Shape/ergonomics whatever you wish to call it cannot be used to determine if a mouse is better, It's entirely a personal preference.
@Axelstrife: It’s considered more ergonomic because of mouse button and side grooves which the GPW does not have. For most people, this is more comfortable so that’s why he said ‘arguably better’.
edit: Also the weight is lower on the Viper, He shouldn’t have said similar.
@exit: Shape is the entirety of the mouse which obviously includes anything "ergonomic".
I own 15-20 different mice (don't ask i like mice lol) those grooves in the right and left clicks do nothing from my personal experience and fall under personal preference if someone likes mice which features such things, and in the case of side thumb rest i actually HATE mice with that i have a Razer basilisk X and cannot use it as my aim disappears when using it.
Now the weight is something i definitely do enjoy being lighter so viper wins on that front but there are ofc people who like heavier mice. I wouldn't class weight under personal preference since it's more to do with the massive difference between say a G502 weight of 121g and any of the sub 70g mice we have today the huge change is weight leads to a massive difference in feel which requires a few days of use to get use to the lighter weight.
My point in my comment is that there is no arguably involved it's simply personal preference.
Though anyone can get use to any mice (as long as size isn't too small or large ofc) with time and practice in my experience (G203 comes to mind my hand absolutely killed at first.)
Technically better in ways that probably don't matter (20k dpi sensor, apparently better wireless tech) and actually better in a few: lighter weight while also feeling more solidly built (the GPW has a hollow ringy quality to it, at least mine does).
They're both very good, it really comes down to your handsize/grip but I almost never use my GPW because I like my RVU so much but I don't think it's because of the sensor
I have both and have to say I prefer the Razer. Both great mice though.
If only razer made a viper mini wireless .
Thanks, been waiting for this to popup again. Replacing a super worn out Razer Ouroboros.
Wasn't the Ouroboros a great mouse? I loved mine, the wings made it super-comfy. AFAIK, it's still going strong a year after I retired it and passed it on to my son. I thought one of the best features had nothing to do with the sensors or the shape: a user-replaceable rechargeable AA battery! Isn't that sensible?
This one looks great, and kudos for it being ambidextrous. If my current Roccat Kova AIMO was wearing out I'd seriously consider this one.
any issues with warranty when sold by Amazon US?
How could a mouse cost $200 when I'm perfectly happy with mine that comes with a bundle with keyboard that costs $10…
Because unlike you, other people aren't satisfied with using cheap junk that just "gets the job done".
Is that meant to be sarcasm?
No I am genuinely curious, what set this apart?
…input lag, grip, glide, precision, buttons, scroll wheel etc etc etc
your in a different world lmao. Your argument might work for keyboards, but mice? lol
You can also spend $60 on a mouse and get most the features on this mouse, but the main reason im paying the tax is for wireless.. and for it to be wireless and weigh less than a deathadder elite, its worth the RND cost we are paying
Just in case you ever come back to read this - I've been using computers for over 30 years, as an IT professional I've used an absolutely massive range and variety of devices. Most keyboards are reasonably reliable most of the time, insofar as they will activate the key you hit when you hit it. Mechanical keyboards are significantly more reliable and consistent and this is most particularly important for those who type a lot, and gamers who require reliability, but ergonomics aside you can get away with even very cheap keyboards if you absolutely have to as long as they don't have strange layouts.
A mouse is a different thing. Mice that don't track perfectly noticeably impact on your workflow. Mice that don't respond every time you click, or have a dicky scroll wheel are frustrating and painful. It's difficult enough to get high quality optical sensors that can reliably track on your given mousing surface, but to build that in a comfortable, ergonomic chassis and pair it with responsive, reliable buttons and a good scroll wheel that won't wear out is extremely challenging. Being an object that you control by moving it around, removing the cord from a mouse makes a tremendous amount of sense, but by doing so you've just increased the difficulty of designing a good, reliable mouse about 10,000 fold. There are about a handful of wireless mice you can actually rely on to track and click every single time you use it, that will be pixel-perfect accurate with even the slightest movement, without ever wandering off when you're not actually touching it. None of these are what you'd call cheap. There are some cheaper mice that do a pretty decent job in the sub-$200 range, but they all have their quirks and downfalls (such as response delays when they've been in standby due to inactivity, or they're horrifically hard on batteries, draining from a full charge in just a few hours). The Viper Ultimate is one of very few mice I would have on my desk these days, and I've had most wireless mice Razer have ever made.
So you're right, you can spend a lot less and get a reasonable experience - I used to use $2 optical mice connected to standalone Internet-isolated servers, because they'd actually be used for less than half an hour a year, and they were fine for that task. But as with anything, there are trade offs - if those trade offs are acceptable to you, if you don't mind the mouse cord and feel that it tracks as reliably as you need it to, then great. But if you want to go wireless and you want your mouse to always do everything you ask it to 100% reliably, you'll be spending a hell of a lot more for the right interface device that can actually live up to those requirements.
@TrevorX: Wow thanks mate for a very detailed response. I don't game (at least not very avidly) and I primarily use my keyboard and mouse for your day to day office work (although I do type a lot for client advice etc.) and I haven't had an instance (at least none that I could remember off the top of my head) that my $10 keyboard and mouse combo failed to deliver what I expected of them. Do you think I can benefit from a pricier keyboard/mouse in a way that I can not imagine right now (ie once you go xxxx you can't go back kind of deal). I don't mind spending a bit more money on them as long as the cost is justified by the benefit. On that note do you have anything that you recommend for my type of usage habits (word/excel/outlook/web browsing - centric)?
@FutureTech: I've sold many dozens of mechanical keyboards to office staff - usually I convince a business to spring for just one mechanical keyboard for the primary receptionist or something like that. Within a few months I'll either start getting orders for replacement keyboards for other staff now and again, or the office manager will get authorisation to replace everyone's all at once. Once you've used a (good) mechanical keyboard or a high quality mouse, you definitely won't go back.
I recommend looking for a keyboard with Cherry MX Brown key switches, or 'tactile, non-clicky' in other brands. These are generally the best type of key for typing if you care about not annoying colleagues or family - my personal favourite switch is 'blue', which emits an audible click as well as a little tactile bump halfway through, but I'm banned from buying another one as my wife hated the noise (I type around 90wpm, so it's quite a clatter).
Corsair make the best/most reliable keyboards IMO, but Steelseries are great, Razer and Logitech are fairly reasonable at the high end despite using custom switches. Your mileage will vary on other brands. If you need to keep the budget down, CoolerMaster have some decent entry level keyboards in the $130ish range.
There are two things with this - first, you're not going to know what the experience is like without trying it. So I'd recommend going to a gaming showroom like PLE where you can have a bit of a go on their keyboards. The second thing is, having a play really won't give you a real idea what it's like, only spending several weeks with a keyboard will give you time to really appreciate it.
There's one other aspect of keyboards you've probably never thought of - macro keys. I have Corsair's previous model K95 RGB with the additional 18 macro keys, which can be mapped to three different profiles. I use these for all kinds of things, from program launching to custom Excel and Photoshop actions to PowerShell commands. You don't have to get a mechanical keyboard to get dedicated macro keys, but they're an extremely useful feature that can save a lot of time for repetitive office tasks.
The same thing unfortunately applies to mice - without spending some time with a mouse, you really can't get a feel for what it can do and what difference it can make. It's also important to set it up right - high dpi sensors used at full resolution are actually really annoying to use, as they're stupidly sensitive - I suffer from a mild muscular condition that causes tremors in my extremities, so my hands shake slightly pretty much all the time, making a 20,000dpi mode on a mouse utterly unusable. I have a 43" 4k monitor and find 1,400dpi is fine most of the time, but I'll flick it down to 800dpi when doing image editing work where mouse control needs to be pixel perfect.
There are also wireless mice with QI charging and powered mouse mats, resulting in permanently powered mice without cables, docks or batteries to replace. While a truly fantastically convenient solution, I don't believe there's anything available for less than $400, and usually closer to $500 between the cost of the mouse and powered mat.
So my recommendation would be to see if you can find somewhere to take a look at some keyboards and maybe even mice (although I don't know of anyone that has Razer/Corsair/Steelseries demo mice on display. JB Hifi have Logitech displays, but they don't include their gaming mice from what I've seen). A Corsair K68 paired with a Razer Basilisk X Hyperspeed wireless mouse would give you a good desktop experience without breaking the bank (particularly if you can pick up the Basilisk on special, they're sometimes as low as ~$80). If you're in no hurry wait until Black Friday sales, as there should be some good deals then.
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You can be more inaccurate than with other mice!