Car Stolen and Burglar Came Back Again Attempting to Steal Again

Hey guys,

Not wanting to divulge too much information here as it is a public forum. My car was stolen recently and approximately 2 days later, the thief/burglar (probably his mates/gang) came back wanting to steal more (caught on CCTV). There was sign of forced opening of the garage door (probably third attempt).

(What’s funny was the police told me after the first incident that it’s unlikely they’ll return as they know we’ll be on “high alert”).

Police attended the scene on at least 2 occasions and didn’t do much apart from taking pictures and brief statement. I was told that it has been assigned to a detective.

Unfortunately, it has been 3 days since the first incident (car stolen) and after multiple emails which were sent to the detective, it seems that there’s no follow up or reply. What should I do?

Shouldn’t the detective call or follow up after the new (second) incident. Spoke to neighbour and they confirmed that they saw a suspicious person matching the guy who attempted to break in to my premises on that day. Police didn’t even take any statement.

Honestly, I’m disappointed and at a loss on what needs to be done as we fear for our safety.

Lastly, I’m planning to sign up for home security - would you guys recommend ADT or Chubb or RACV?

Thanks!

Comments

  • +6

    You can call to follow up with them. Aside from getting a security guard to sit out front there's not much you can do.

  • +11

    Welcome to Victoria

    • +1

      I've lived in Perth for 10 years and now Victoria (mostly Melbourne but now regional) for ~6.
      I've never witnessed and experience as much criminal behaviour here in Victoria than I ever have before.

      My motorcycle stolen from behind a parked car (car was lifted to the side and bike jiggled out), stalked and shoved in an Aldi (pre-covid), homeless camped on the roof of an apartment block with police being called to drag them off, hit and run to my car in north Melbourne, drug dealer neighbours, at least 5 bicycles stolen a week (from posts on international facebook groups) (one time they got sick of it and cornered a perp, turns out an organised homeless group were stealing and selling the bikes cheap for parts and moved intersate, police were called, they got a slap on the wrist and they were released the next day…), group fight on the street in richmond, a guy be pepper sprayed as he was fighting police going into their paddy wagon last week and today police into the local hospital searching for a crim whilst i was visiting a friend.

      Sure you can blame it on covid, but geez Victoria has it bad with bad people.
      And I havn't lived in "rough" areas either, Moonee Ponds, Balwyn, Carlton North etc

      Makes me want to stay inside with the lock firmly on

      • +1

        I would confidently say that crime also occurs in Perth too, and it may have also deteriorated to the level you're seeing in Victoria in the past 6 years you weren't there.

        • Agreed, I did have people break into my house on two separate occasions so it does happen there too, just the quantity of occurances to me are much higher in Victoria

      • +1

        ….how do you mean, "car was lifted to the side"?

        I'm imagining a Franco Columbu scene.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hnPwR3QcCU

        • U shape car carport - car was against the left edge in the morning

      • +6

        My brand new push bike got stolen from the Frankston train station the first day I used it, in 1988. So to me, Melbourne has always been the crime hub of the world.

  • +25

    They are likely too busy booking people for 2kmh over the speed limit. Much more money in that.

  • +2

    Area and rough car details please. I have a 20 year old toyota that is not much fun to steal.

  • are thieves just taking advantage of lockdown to steal things?

    • +9

      Lockdown would also mean that the owners are at home - I would've thought it would result in less stealing, or maybe less things to steal in the public realm such that homes are more appealing?

      I guess an addiction or the reason for the steal is always going to be there irrespective of lockdown.

      • More chance of the car being at home if the owners are at home too.

        • More chance of being caught if the owners are home, too.

          • @DoctorCalculon: And do what?

            You have no guns, they have several men. Best case, they leave peacefully; worst case, they take the opportunity that you have opened the door to confront them and get in for some more stealing whilst tearing you a new one.

            Police is obviously not caring a whole lot about this, and by the time they come, they're gone.

            • -1

              @gorgrond:

              You have no guns

              Yeah we do….what are you talking about?

              they have several men

              You have family or a fighting partner, team up and tag battle them! Unless you live alone in which case I hope you have a plan for when you have thieves breaking into your house whilst you're inside it…

    • hey Jayboi! If you recall replying to my thread last Saturday about stolen car.. well they came back that very night!

      • Oh yes I recall that! I cannot believe they’ve come back. Maybe stay prepared inside and be prepared with something like a taser or capsicum spray and when you see them spray and taser them and call the police ASAP.

        • +1

          One argument in favour of "Stand Your Grounds" law. Unfortunately, seems appropriate for VIC who seems to be too busy policing 5km, curfew, and other stuff instead of patrolling.

        • +5

          Both those items are illegal in Victoria. Wouldn’t surprise me if the defender got a harsher sentence than the poor innocent criminal.

          • @mapax: Are there any good options that will inflict severe discomfort on the perpetrator without causing enough long-term damage to the person defending their property to suffer any major legal ramifications? Squirt in the eyes with bug spray or disinfectant or something?

            • +4

              @AngusD: Taylor swift music..

              • +4

                @elgrande: Jesus Christ. I was just talking about spraying some chemicals in their eyes that might send them permanently blind and cause searing, burning agony. But you had to go TOO FAR!

            • @AngusD: Could always use a spray can and lighter for an instant blow torch.. /s

              buy a decent very bright torch and use the Strobe function,
              plus as they are generally alloy of some sort they can also be used as an adhoc weapon.
              I have 2, one is the Nitecore MH27 which i got on clearance for about $85, has a good strobe, its quite compact and is pretty good, and also for a cheapie at $30, the Aldi Lightway 1500 lumen, has zoom control which is nice to go from spot and flood, but no strobe, but it is 27cm, upto 29.ish cm in length and carries a bit of weight to it… the newer model they have had recently is slimmer and not quite as long as the older model that I have.
              I have also trimmed up and placed luminescent tape around several areas of the torches - was just cheapie stuff from one of the free type land fill posts that used to come up a lot.

            • @AngusD: VERY thin ice there. First you have to deal with vicpol, who are as likely to arrest you as well/instead of the criminal { sort of professional courtesy}. Then you need to consider that the perps know where you { and your family} live.

              • @ozboygsl: What about self defence? The perp would also be breaking the current COVID-19 / CHO restrictions.

      • If you recall replying to my thread last Saturday about stolen car.. well they came back that very night!

        Was that the deleted thread that I was gonna read but was too late?

  • +16

    Tell the police the suspects breached curfew and they'll find them straight away and fine them :)

    • +5

      Also mention that they weren't wearing masks and they'll probably send in the SWAT team :P

      • +5

        And didn't they also whisper something about organising a protest right after they were done stealing?

  • +1

    What would ADT have done?

    • Thieves hate loud noises, didn't you know?

  • +20

    Police are useless. I wouldn't expect they'd do anything, even if the burglar went to a station and confessed. When my motorcycle was stolen I had so much evidence for them that I had found myself (witnesses, helmet and gloves that they'd used that were found in the bike, the tools they used to break the chain and hot wire it) but they weren't interested in any of it. All they care about is eating doughnuts, hiding in bushes to catch people going 1 km/hr over the limit, and beating up indigenous teens who insult them verbally.

    • +2

      agreed - my partner's mobile was stolen from workplace. CCTV footage (who did it with their identity) wasn't enough for them to pursue it any further.

      They only prepare reports for insurance payouts or coroners.

      Our neighbour's house had a break-in attempt - they were advised by police to get a dog. I tried to find the state funding policy for guard dogs/pets but wasn't successful. When we called the police for a copy of this policy - they hung up on us (wonder why?)

      • -1

        I don't get your logic.

        The police don't fund doors, security cameras, gates, fences or any other theft deterrent, why would they fund dogs?

        • +1

          turn your sarcasm detector on and you would sense my tone

          • @RM: I know you were being sarcastic, but its obviously going from somewhere.

    • +1

      From stolen items from my old store and knowing who done it, to break ins, even caught on camera with up close face, number plate, time and place damaging thousands of dollars worth of property, No matter what the situation they won't do anything. Been there done that! I don't even know why we have police? All they do are bully people and fine us for whatever quota they need to keep up. I don't think I know anyone who's actually been helped or got to the bottom of something because of them. I'm sure it happens here and there but majority of the time it's not even followed up. Can we drop all police and just get neighbourhood watch please. Guarantee you'll have better results

    • hot wire it

      Wait, I thought hot wiring vehicles was of the past as it's now impossible to hot wire??

      All they care about is eating doughnuts, hiding in bushes to catch people going 1 km/hr over the limit, and beating up indigenous teens who insult them verbally.

      I like this comment. upvoted.

  • +1

    Cops dont care unless its a murder or they can fine you, they have stats to improve or they wont get their bonuses or be promoted.

    • That is so very very far from the truth.

  • Where do you live btw? I don't want to live there. Sydney or Melbourne I'm guessing, the two crime capitals of the world.

    And yes police are useless. We aren't training the world's greatest detectives.

    • +1

      While I would love to believe I'm a street-smart ronin, cunning and clearly too vicious to be anyone's victim, I think it's far more likely that my experience of Sydney as pretty safe rests more on the reality that it is relatively safe (on a global scale) than the fantasy above.

  • +2

    It wouldn’t be called the ‘State of Disaster’ for nothing 😷

  • +6

    Unfortunately Victoria Police are not interested in upholding the law.
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6582398-Exhibit-RC09…

    • +1

      Sir Ken is one of the best leaders and officers that has ever existed. The timing of his clash with the useless Overlord was unfortunate. We could have had Jones instead of that idiot and the force and Vic would be in a much better place.

  • +1

    I have been approached by police to volunteer free access to my CCTV (lol) because breaking and entering has increased multifold.

    Thieves have marked the holiday homes. I wouldn't be surprised if some are squatting in them. No chance the owners are returning.

    • What is the logistics of sharing CCTV? Seems strange considering most CCTV cameras don't naturally share publicly unless configured for it, and then it will use your upload bandwidth.

      • I have remote access. They want that access.

        • Well for me that would be VPNing into my network, which is completely crazy to give someone access to.

          • @samfisher5986: Well, in their defence, they asked real nicely.

            • @[Deactivated]: Could they just give you a description of who they're looking for and you'll turn over footage if you see anyone like that? Shouldn't have to give them access to your network!

              • +2

                @Quantumcat: I told them they can request footage and if I feel the footage may assist, I may release the footage.

                They then wanted an after hours contact so they can get the footage when needed. I said send request via email.

                They left it at that.

                They weren't investigating a case. They are doing this pre-emptively. Good on them for taking the initiative but as a citizen, I am subject to rules and I don't believe the police are above those rules.

            • @[Deactivated]: I offered the local cops any footage from my cameras. I have 2 months of rolling footage so plenty of time for them to finish their donuts and give me a call, but haven't heard a peep. I can also configure the cameras for guest access without giving access to the rest of my home network.

              • @backpaqer: I can do all that also, but the system is purely my investment so I won't.

                The insult to injury is that the coppers have spent thousands per camera in the commercial areas (which is where my office is located and for which they want the CCTV access), doesn't work. We pay crazy tax/rates because supposedly the police or their bosses can spend the money better. They have wasted the money and now they want me to just do the job for them too.

                From memory, I spent about $2.5k for my CCTV. Lots of angles, IR boosters, the works. Self install.

                Newsletter years ago tells me the ones mounted on power poles cost $8k per camera installed, ex cost of base station and monitoring.

                • @[Deactivated]: Funny how we expect to governments to be economic managers.

                  • -1

                    @nfr: I don't expect them to. I begrudgingly pay my taxes and rates. I know that some of it will actually be used well, some will be used foolishly but necessarily so, and a lot of it is pissed into the wind.

                    I expect the government to be bad economic managers. All governments. I am in support of governments that recognise that the best way to manage the economy is to be the referee, not a helicopter parent, ie. Stay out of as much of it as possible.

                    • +1

                      @[Deactivated]: I agree totally, I'm just not sure a good referee can survive the current environment. The game tends to be about party politics not public policies.

  • +1

    Try motion activated flood lights, alarms and my neighbours have fences that are see through but fairly high with a locked gate. They also have a dog

    • Try motion activated flood lights,

      Oooooh, I've never thought of this….

      my neighbours have fences that are see through

      Where to get see through fencing??

  • Yes as @hellopam2019 said it is a very good idea to use a floodlight camera. amazon has a sale on one that will send a notification to your phone whenever motion is detected. it also has night vision It even has a speaker and microphone so you can yell at the thieves and it has an alarm feature that will scare the thieves. all this can be activated from your phone via wifi even when you are not at home. it costs $239 on sale on amazon, I know its a lot but cheap for what it offers and would help you a lot
    https://www.amazon.com.au/Eufy-Floodlight-Camera-White-T8420…

  • You need a BFD

    • +1

      Bi-fold door?

      • BUG FUKIN DOG

        • Thats going to have to be one giant BUG to make that work…

        • Roger that.

          But ever since I was a child I always wanted a bi-fold door. Don't know why. I still want one. I have always been a little strange.

        • Sorry BIG

  • I guess this is what happens when the police are underfunded. Imagine what will happen if they get defunded.

    • +1

      Isnt the point of defunding to move some of the police budget over to other agencies (like healthcare etc) rather than have the cops spread too thin, in effect making them more effective?

  • Melbourne is very commonly seen n heard on News - in crime news. I guess everyone living there all ready got to used to criminals in their day to day lives.

  • I had almost the exact same thing happen to me. My car was recovered minus the keys and my garage door was broken into some time after we got it back. Luckily we had anticipated this and had set up cameras and parked the car behind another car so it couldnt be driven out.

    There are stolen vehicle detectives and in my experience they do not give a shit.

    When I got my car back purely by luck the impression I got from the detectives was case closed. The cops held my car for a few hours and a mobile forensics team went through it. They found nothing. I got home and found various items not belonging to me. I called the detective and after an email exchange he eventually told me to throw all the stuff away…unbelievable. A week later I checked my GPS and thieves had actually put in an address of an apartment block. Cops had obviously missed this too.

    • A week later I checked my GPS and thieves had actually put in an address of an apartment block. Cops had obviously missed this too.

      You added a GPS tracker to your car? Smart… Yeah for cops to not have picked this up and tell you about it, must be crap detectives….

      • No the dumb arse thieves actually put the address into my car's satnav. As stolen vehicles detectives you'd think they'd check this or at least ask me if recognise any any of the addresses.

        • Nice….did you go to the address and spec the place out?

  • -1

    How can vehicles be stollen in this day and age… what about your alarm system?
    How old is this vehicle?
    Looks like they think you are a sucker…. stay up and watch

    • Cars cant get stolen nowadays? News to me.

      Plenty of scenarios where a car could be stolen.

  • Thanks guys for your response.

    My neighbour, a street away, had his car plate stolen last night. I have emailed this to the detective and note that I have sent a total of 4-5 emails and there’s not even a single response.

    Honestly, we are just disappointed at the lack of update or what precaution or measure the police intend to take to prevent such crime from happening again or to solve this crime.

    If it helps, I live in a relatively “safe” suburb in South East Melbourne and this shit is still happening.

    • My comment above mentions that it is a really good idea to get a floodlight cam so it can scare away the thieves. So I would strongly recommend getting one

      • so it can scare away the thieves

        Won't if the thieves are smart and disable your floodlight cams….or ignore and dont care…but I guess its enough of a deterrent for the lazy ones….

    • +1

      Just a heads up with emailing coppers/detectives directly, only do it once, then ring if they don't answer the first email, after that, forget about it. If you get email spammy with them, they get shitty real quick. This was explained to me by a detective after chasing up a psychotic uniform cop who went way and above her 'station' to really help mess up a court case. Coppers aren't the Public Servants you think they are. Their thinking is, it's all about 'insurance'. If a theft makes the media, you get attention, if it's an easy charge/major indictable, you'll get service.

      • Just a heads up with emailing coppers/detectives directly, only do it once, then ring if they don't answer the first email, after that, forget about it.

        Then how will you know any new news from them if they wont talk to you in any way shape or form? Should take things upon your own hands and deal justice your way?

        • You might very well here of something… six months down the track. Other than that, must keep an eye on daily Court Lists.

    • Do your best to protect yourself. I've learned from my experience not to rely on cops for protection. The peace of mind i get is from home security and sadly not from knowing police are around.

  • I would think a successful burgle would mean they would more likely come back, its not like they're smart enough to think about the risks

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