R U OK OzBargainers? (2020)

R U OK?

R U OK? Day is an annual day in September (today, 10/9) dedicated to remind people to ask family, friends and colleagues the question, "R U OK?", in a meaningful way, because connecting regularly and meaningfully is one thing everyone can do to make a difference and even save lives.

We do this every year and have raised $19007 towards their cause. I don't think there has a been a more difficult year than 2020 in recent times. I'm sure I am not alone in having numerous conversations over the past few months checking on the well-being of others (and on myself) in a meaningful way.


Hot Tip: Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist after a referral from a GP. It's free/cheap so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help. Trouble is that most of us are too scared, embarrassed, or lack self awareness to seek professional help. If you have a broken foot, most people will have no hesitation in seeking a doctor because we know it can be fixed but for mental health issues (which can be just as well treated) we quietly carry on even though the pain and harm may be 1000 times worse. (credit: Bluberry)


The comments and PMs we received last year are part of why we are proud to support R U OK? Day by changing our colours and promoting their cause.

One of the biggest challenges to OzBargain and other online social media sites (e.g. Instagram, Twitter) is promoting an environment where everyone feels comfortable commenting and discussing issues (or deals). We should all recognise that our comments have consequences both positive and negative. People don't participate on a discussion site to be attacked or bullied. While some people may say 'suck it up' and that people should not be so sensitive, we should be aware that we don't truly know the people behind these accounts. Some are young, some may come to here to escape a tough reality, be mentally unbalanced, or they possibly could have thick skin. We just don't know.

On the flip side, a simple gesture such as thanking someone or sending a friendly PM can go a long way. We made a post about contributing to a more positive OzBargain environment and we've had some great results changing some users behaviour by thinking about the impacts of their words.


Over the years of running this initiative on OzBargain (and offline) we've also received some comments making jokes about RUOK? Day. While those people may be OK, many times they are not both in real life and on OzBargain. Keep asking, be meaningful in the way you have your conversation and don't ask just today but any day.

We have forums where you can discuss relationships or anything else off-topic. Also, if you see any comments where you think the person may be struggling, please report to us and we'll get in touch.

You can also feel free to chat with us in the private Talk with a Moderator forum if you have any OzBargain related issues. Or send me a PM about whatever you want (except moderation issues). Please see our Mental Health Page if you need to speak to someone including live chat.

For confidential advice and support call a crisis support line – such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467.

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ASK R U OK?
  • Be relaxed, friendly and concerned in your approach.
  • Help them open up by asking questions like "How are you going?" or "What’s been happening?"
  • Mention specific things that have made you concerned for them, like "You seem less chatty than usual. How are you going?"

IF

  • If they don’t want to talk, don’t criticise them.
  • Tell them you’re still concerned about changes in their behaviour and you care about them.
  • Avoid a confrontation.
  • You could say: “Please call me if you ever want to chat” or “Is there someone else you’d rather talk to?”
LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
  • Take what they say seriously and don't interrupt or rush the conversation.
  • Don’t judge their experiences or reactions but acknowledge that things seem tough for them.
  • If they need time to think, sit patiently with the silence.
  • Encourage them to explain: "How are you feeling about that?" or "How long have you felt that way?"
  • Show that you've listened by repeating back what you’ve heard (in your own words) and ask if you have understood them properly.
ENCOURAGE ACTION
  • Ask: “What have you done in the past to manage similar situations?”
  • Ask: “How would you like me to support you?"
  • Ask: “What’s something you can do for yourself right now? Something that’s enjoyable or relaxing?”
  • You could say: "When I was going through a difficult time, I tried this… You might find it useful too."
  • If they've been feeling really down for more than 2 weeks, encourage them to see a health professional. You could say, "It might be useful to link in with someone who can support you. I'm happy to assist you to find the right person to talk to.”
  • Be positive about the role of professionals in getting through tough times.
IF THEY NEED EXPERT HELP
  • Some conversations are too big for family and friends to take on alone. If someone’s been really low for more than 2 weeks - or is at risk - please contact a professional as soon as you can.
CHECK IN
  • Pop a reminder in your diary to call them in a couple of weeks. If they're really struggling, follow up with them sooner.
  • You could say: "I've been thinking of you and wanted to know how you've been going since we last chatted."
  • Ask if they've found a better way to manage the situation. If they haven't done anything, don't judge them. They might just need someone to listen to them for the moment.
  • Stay in touch and be there for them. Genuine care and concern can make a real difference.

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Comments

  • +1

    That colour anit making me ok

  • +1

    Hot Tip: Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist after a referral from a GP

    if anyone knows of any psychologist who provides subsidised (or free) sessions with a psychologist in the Mornington Peninsula, please let me know

    • +1

      Most psychologists are doing sessions through video in VIC. If you accept that, it's probably easier to find a (Medicare) psychologist in other areas in case you can't find one in the Peninsula.

    • +1

      If you can’t find one, remember some help is better than no help at all, you could try Lifeline and other mental health services. There are also people in the comments who you can talk to :)

      We’re here for you man! :)

  • +4

    R U OK?
    The question is more important this year than ever. Nothing but sheer luck has kept me with a job, and I hope everyone else experiencing hardship here can overcome the difficulties they are facing.

    Shop smart and don't forget to enjoy the good things in life.

  • This is a good initiative and it's great OzBargain is supporting it! It's good you addressed the insincerity with the use of the phrase, it would be nice for some of those clowns to have a look at this thread instead of catering to the lowest common denominator as happens often on here.

  • Sorry to be a nitpicker - just wanted to add that the referral from a GP is not "free" per se - as it is Medicare funded therefore taxpayer subsidised (small but important distinction), and some psychologists may incur out of pocket expenses for the consultations, and that only those with an identifiable mental health disorder after an assessment are eligible

    • Actually, any level of anxiety or symptoms of depression, or adjustment disorder and frustration, will easily justify the 10 sessions/year. It's also important to remember that Medicare has increased the number of sessions in Victoria to 20/year, and I've been informed that more than 20 are being considered.

      I think you are being too picky regarding the "not free". Essentially, nothing is free. Even my access to the dog park nearby is subsidised by taxpayers. Everything is. I don't agree that this is an important distinction in the context of Medicare. I do agree that the out of pocket expenses for GP and psychotherapy might affect access to those services; however, it is not hard to find bulk billing GP clinics right now. Not sure about psychologists.

      • That's not correct, people can't qualify just because they have mild transient symptoms as you suggest (though I don't dispute that it should be) and they request one. I'm just drawing attention to the fact that there are eligibility criteria that need to be fulfilled as per the MBS descriptor:

        "What patients are eligible - Mental Disorder

        These items are for patients with a mental disorder who would benefit from a structured approach to the management of their treatment needs. Mental disorder is a term used to describe a range of clinically diagnosable disorders that significantly interfere with an individual's cognitive, emotional or social abilities (Refer to the World Health Organisation, 1996, Diagnostic and Management Guidelines for Mental Disorders in Primary Care: ICD‑10 Chapter V Primary Care Version). Dementia, delirium, tobacco use disorder and mental retardation are not regarded as mental disorders for the purposes of the GP Mental Health Treatment items.

        These GP services are available to eligible patients in the community. GP Mental Health Treatment Plan and Review services can also be provided to private in‑patients (including private in‑patients who are residents of aged care facilities) being discharged from hospital. Where the GP who provides the GP Mental Health Treatment item is providing in‑patient treatment the item is claimed as an in‑hospital service (at 75% MBS rebate). GPs are able to contribute to care plans for patients using item 729, Contribution to a Multidisciplinary Care Plan, and to care plans for residents of aged care facilities using item 731."

    • Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist

      It's not saying the visit to the GP for a referral is free. Rather the sessions under a Mental Health Plan with the psychologist might be free (as some bulk bill) or subsidised.

      It's free/cheap so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

      Covers both that it may cost or may be free.

  • +2

    yay, my favourite day of the year when someone actually talks to me and ask me am I ok and pretend that they care

    • Thats ok its easy enough to pretend back that everything's fine.
      Can't say I know anyone who's been asking this of anyone though.

    • +1

      KO U R

      Have a pos from moi.

    • -2

      Thanks for the example guys. Well done. 6 downvotes and counting.

      R U OK my left foot. More like "We don't like you or what you say and we're going to bury it".

    • +1

      I wouldn't say it's a major contributing factor to mental health (and I certainly hope that you yourself are okay in that regard) but I have to agree that we should remove anonymous downvoting. I think to leave a negative vote without justifying why is pure cowardice and opens up the system to bullying or leaving negs just because someone happens to disagree with your point of view.

    • +1

      This.

  • +2

    Are you ok, are you ok annie?

    • +1

      Will you tell us that you're okay?
      There's a sign at the window
      That he struck you, a crescendo Annie

  • I'm not ok because there are no quality bargains today. I'm bored and in isolation, online shopping is the only thing I have to look forward to. I need more quality bargains!

  • It always reminds me this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVbMefmhlKE

    A Meme video sourced from Xiaomi's CEO:)

  • +1

    Here we go again …

  • +1

    I've defo been better, it's really difficult with the uncertainty of closed borders and not being able to travel. I've been stuck outside for months already.

    I always remind myself things could always be worse so that means there's still a lot to be grateful for.

    • +6

      There are always people doing it worse but that doesn't mean that your worries are not important.

  • +5

    For the first year in a while I can say YES.
    This year has been an interesting one, started with the birth of my daughter, there was some anxiety around that due to prolonged labor and hospital staff that didn't listen to our concerns, falling back on their '300 years of experience'. Life was good once she was here. Covid came along and as such I've not been at the office since Feb - I miss my coworkers and catching up with them, but the upshot is being able to see all these milestones that babies go through instead of hearing about it at work (I should mention this is child 6..), it's been quite the experience to be more involved.
    Unfortunately when life seems to go well it often does not and recently I recently fell on bad habits which I've sought help for and am now going to a psych which has helped immensely.

    If anyone is struggling I URGE you to seek help for it, I grew up thinking that talking about problems wouldn't do shit, but now that I've experienced first hand the benefits of just chatting to someone and getting an understanding on why you feel like you do.. it feels like a huge weight has been lifted.

    We're now very surprised to discover we're expecting baby 7 (eek) but since going to the psych life has felt better than it has in a long time.

    PS. Somewhat disappointing to see people making a joke of this day.

    • +4

      Congrats x 2 marc kay.

      If anyone is struggling I URGE you to seek help for it, I grew up thinking that talking about problems wouldn't do shit, but now that I've experienced first hand the benefits of just chatting to someone and getting an understanding on why you feel like you do.. it feels like a huge weight has been lifted.

      Such great advice.

      PS. Somewhat disappointing to see people making a joke of this day.

      In my experience here, it's actually the ones who make jokes or on the opposite side are angry who may be struggling the worst on the inside. I hope from some of these stories shared by others that it will encourage people to seek help.

  • +6

    Thanks for all the comments everyone. R U OK? Day did remind me to call a couple of people who I know are struggling in the VIC lockdown and to check how they were doing.

    Please don't hesitate to send me a PM. I should just add that with social media, probably more so Twitter but also OzBargain is that if it is causing distress, then it's best to step away, take a break, gather some perspective in reality, and have a chat with someone.

    • +3

      How's isolation treating you neil? If I recall you already work from home so it's almost what you're used to?

      • +2

        A little adjustment for me but fairly OK. Wife, friends, family, neighbours are struggling but doing what I can. Don't know what we would have all done without broadband Internet, streaming video services & food delivery services.

  • bist du OK?!

  • Nup.

    But nothing to fix it really

  • +1

    I remember from last year’s RU OK thread, people were more open to their struggles. I suppose with what’s going on with the pandemic and VIC’s lockdown, it’s no surprise it has been a difficult time for most.

    As for me, I’m taking it one day at a time. Without going into the “woe it’s me problems” because it has been a crappola of year and I know that I have a lot to be thankful for. It has been a difficult year for me since turning 40.

    My younger sis a few months ago took her own life and I can’t stress how important it is to seek help if life is too much.

    So as I am looking for ways to earn coin without resorting to sugar daddy, I suppose it’s a good time as any to embrace the concept of rest, reflection and reinvention as these are essential parts of a progress towards a successful and happy life.

  • What should you do if you know a person needs help but they won’t open up to you or seek the help they need?

    • +1

      Try to listen to their problems, or at least try to talk to them about how they feel.

      You probably could direct them to Lifeline, since they are also focused on mental health issues and trained to basically listen to people and their struggles.
      That tend to at least make people feel better.

    • +1

      If someone doesn't want to talk, they don't want to talk. Your best bet is to let them know that if they do change their mind, you'll be there to talk.

  • No my toilet has no papper, 😭 and I forgot to preorder, and Nvidia hates Australia.

    I can't adjust videos on tiktok to what I like, tired of the ads on YouTube.

    Hardly any movies this year.

  • +5

    No. I'm not.

    I've made some really bad choices this year and I'm not okay with the repercussions of those actions. I realise my decisions were made at bad times for my mental health and I thought they were for the best at the time.

    I can't change anything though so I'm slowly coming to terms with the choices I have made.

    • +2

      Holy shit someone's owning their mistakes instead of throwing a tantrum and blaming everyone else.

    • thats is great to hear that you are getting better. and it is even greater that you are owning it.

      Once you own your mistakes, you also own your success.

      There is still a bit left in 2020. Still a chance to end on a high.

  • No.

  • Don't do this again, ever. We need stability.

  • Yes and no.

    I have to take every day as it comes as I have to tell myself that 2018 was the last best medical years of my life.

    The good is that I met my soulmate (gross, yeah yeah) on online dating of all places (!?!?) and we're going 3 official months, 5 unofficial. Work is underpaying me by $18K and so, I have to mentally gear up for that screaming match but, generally, I miss my friends and I had to move my 30th party early next year to early 2021 :(

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