Dell P2721Q
Lowest price that I've seen it.
- 4K (3840 x 2160)
- 27" IPS LED
- USB-C 65w PD
- 350 nits
- 1.07 billion colours
- Tilt, swivel, pivot and height adjustable stand
- VESA interface support
- Premium Panel Exchange
- 3-year Advanced Exchange Service
Dell 27" 4K USB-C IPS Monitor P2721Q $539 + Delivery @ Skycomp
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That isn't the same monitor.
Different monitor mate. This is the P2721Q.
The one last on sale was the S2721Q/QS. Different line-up. Probably the same panel but better calibrated and better support, plus USB-C input.
isn't that a way better deal?
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Good price for the specific monitor (P2721Q, not to be confused with the S2721Q/QS on sale usually). That said, it is quite an expensive monitor for the features unless you really need that USB-C connection.
i got this. only issue is there's a lot of backlight bleed.
Yeah this is why IPS panels are so bad for displays. Blacks that look like grey and light bleed is something VA panels wont have.
VA also have huge flaws unless your paying for premium panels. OLED is probably the best all rounder but doesn't last and struggles with brightness. hopefully microLED starts to yield some results.
Abuch47, Where does Xiaomi 34" curved monitor stand in this statement do you think?
@ozyack: well its a relative bargain for what it offers just make sure its pros align with your use case
@abuch47: So you can't consider the VA panel in Mi as premium I guess… What counts as pros in your opinion?
@ozyack: The Xiaomi 34" is one of the worst VA monitors on the market. It has horrible response times, horrible overshoot, terrible black and gray uniformity, terrible white uniformity, etc.
Its benefits are solid build quality/design, and the PRICE. It is of course ***ter than every other $700 ultrawide… that's because it's $450.
@dualcore: OK.. Looks like you have just ordered one as well though? (just checked your comments in other posts.) Pros must have weighed more than cons in your case then :)
@ozyack: Yes, $250 in my pocket outweighs the "cons" especially because I don't game that often. I'm going ultrawide for productivity :)
Oh so close, I am looking for a monitor with 1.08 billion colours
Seems Logical.
Keep an eye out on the Dell Outlet too. I recently picked up a refurb U2720Q for another hundred.
Only 350 nits of brightness and no HDR. Unless you really need USB-C connection, this Dell monitor wouldn't be my first choice.
I bought the one below last year and it has been good. 450 brightness nits with HDR, which means it's HDR400 standard for movies.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/c-27-UHD-FreeSync-Gaming-Monitor…
Next level up from it would be OLED for true blackness, but then you're climbing into the $1,200+ monitors territory at that point.
It's only HDR400 which isn't much better than no HDR.
Sorta agree and disagree. 1,000 nits monitors are crazy expensive.
I have mine at 80% brightness when watching movies. If you sit close to it then it's plenty enough. It's TVs that need 1,000+ nits because they're further from you and are usually viewed in a brighter environment.
A lot of monitors actually fake the 400 just for the sake of saying they're DisplayHDR400. There doesn't seem to be proper governance.
I did my homework when I bought my monitor. LG actually does it right, and they include a test sheet with each monitor they sell, which is quite impressive.
HDR 400 is not real HDR. Just because it is LG, it doesn't mean it is any better. A lot of Dell panels are LG panels. Wouldn't surprise me if this one is an LG panel.
HDR without FALD is useless.
Anyone have any real life experience comparing this with a U2720Q?
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Hi guys. I’m so out of touch with monitors and need to buy one for the new Apple Mac mini I’m about to buy over next few days. I want a 4K monitor but not wanting to spend a fortune. Any recommendations that are under $400 odd? So far I’m looking at this Kogan one for $275…..is this any good? https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-28-ultra-hd-4k-freesync-m…
Maybe this is better? https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-27-qhd-ips-freesync-75hz-…
Or is it better to go for this LG?
https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/lg-315-uhd-4k-hdr-gaming-monito…Any help most appreciated thank you.
The LG has higher brightness. The brightness on the Kogan display is too low IMHO.
Im after 4k 144htz monitor for my sons ps5 and future pc build 27"-33" and I'm flat to find anything other ~$1500 ROG STRIX.
Any other budget suggestions?also interested in any answers you get in regards to this
That monitor (PG27UQ) is great for PC gaming, but it has an issue for PS5 and XBox Series X: HDMI 2.0. HDMI 2.0 means you get at most 4K 60Hz. With HDR, HDMI 2.0 is at best 4K 60Hz 4:2:2 (the 4:2:2 is less of an issue, but 60Hz limit at 4K is). I don't know whether an HDMI to DisplayPort (1.4) would address the issue. It is really doubtful because you still need DisplayPort 1.4 with DSC to achieve 4K 120Hz + HDR with DisplayPort 1.4. PS5 and XBox Series X does HDMI 2.1 slightly differently (DSC on HDMI 2.1 is a mess at the moment; PS5 doesn't appear to support DSC at the moment by the way). It's not just this monitor, most 4K PC monitors are HDMI 2.0.
Right now, there is no cost effective HDMI 2.1 4K/120+ VRR proper HDR solution. Ideally, you want DisplayPort 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 combination. That combination will cost a lot of money as it needs a powerful processor to handle that kind of bandwidth. Honestly, DisplayPort 2.0 is still wishful thinking right now with RTX 3080 supporting DisplayPort 1.4a with DSC for 4K/120+ VRR. DisplayPort 2.0 will require a new cable given its huge increase in bandwidth. Honestly, if you can afford 4K 120Hz PC gaming, I really don't think you need to worry about PS5. Most first party exclusives will target 4K 60Hz. Multiplayer games still play best on PC.
The best 4k144 monitor for PC currently is the LG 27gn950. The Asus XG27UQ has very slow response times, mostly unable to keep up with 144Hz. The PG27UQ is extremely expensive and can only do 95Hz with HDR or 120Hz with 8 bit colour. It needa to run 422 chroma sub sampling to run 144Hz at 4k.
Unfortunately none of the current crop have HDMI 2.1. There's a bunch of 32 inch 4k144 monitors coming out in 2021 that should suit your needs with HDMI 2.1 for the best experience on the PS5
@netsurfer @twister292
Thanks for the thorough and informative replys!
ATM my son has a 55" qled (to my best knowledge its hdr 60htz) on the wall running he's console, altho he did ask me for a monitor so he can also play at he's desk. With me eyeing a new pc build it would only make sense that i would hit 2 birds with 1 stone.All in all it's not a urgent matter for him and with the current pc market being nuts it's neither for me.
Just wanted to get a idea what's out there.
It seems that waiting is the best option at.Again thanks both of you for the info!
There's a few monitors coming in Q1-2021 with HDMI 2.1.
Acer XV282K KV (28" 4k144 IPS)
Acer XB323QK NV (32" 4k144 IPS)
Philips 328M1RV (32" 4k144 VA)…the 329M1RV is the IPS version of the same monitor but no clarity on HDMI 2.1 yet
Viewsonic Elite XG320U (32" 4k144 IPS HDR600, 99% AdobeRGB and 95% DCI-P3)…this is likely the AU Optronics M320QAN02.3 panel, which will eventually make its way to an Asus and Acer equivalent model as well.
VESA's certification lists also show an LG 27GP950, which is likely to be a HDMI 2.1 refresh of the current 27GN950
@twister292: Thanks twister, 27/32" is definitely a sweet spot for us and everything seems to be QHD at that size, but seeing as this is new and unreleased tech it's most likely to cost arm and a leg, will have to wait and see how they fair up around Q2/3.
Cheers!@Steakz: Acer XB323QK is listed at EUR 1099 at a German retailer and USD1400 on a Taobao preorder, though that includes the hefty taxes etc in those countries.
The Philips 328M1R is supposed to be EUR600
Well, you have a excuse now (PS5 works best with HDMI 2.1) so hopefully boss (your wife) will approve getting a quality 4K 144Hz VRR monitor with HDMI 2.1 support.
The only review on this mentioned you need to use a second USB cable in addition to the USB Type C cable if you want to use the downstream USB ports on the monitor.
To me the point of paying extra for a USB C monitor is to have everything working with one cable.
Can anyone confirm if this is true?https://www.techwalls.com/dell-p2721q-27-inch-4k-monitor-rev…
That's because USB-C/3.1 gen 2 or Thunderbolt 3 port bandwidth is limited. To achieve 4K 60Hz, you already need to use alt-mode. Once in that mode, there is very little bandwidth left (because data doesn't operate in alt-mode).
You cannot have the cake and eat it. When you use all that bandwidth for 4K display, you cannot still have the full data pipe for USB 3.1 gen 2. If that's how things magically work, we wouldn't need newer version of USB. Thunderbolt 3 does address it somewhat (by having more bandwidth), but once you go 4K 120Hz or 5K, the same limitation applies.
The choice is either 1 cable but make the hub USB 2.0 or take another USB 3 port for data. Technically, without HDR, if Dell were to invest on a Thunderbolt 3 alt-mode chipset, it might just have enough bandwidth to handle USB 3.0/3.1 gen 1 with 4K (no HDR), but it still doesn't address a lot of PCs lack Thunderbolt 3, which means you still have to do this kind of arrangement for most PC users.
USB-C port is a mess and its bandwidth will run into the issue as we go 5K, 6K, 8K. You can forget about USB 3 data once you go 5K even with Thunderbolt 3. The main benefit of USB-C monitors for most people is USB-PD (so the monitor supplies power to run/charge the laptop).
Ah, I’ll just be using it for USB 2 devices like keyboards and an audio interface so honestly that’s fine with me.
Thanks for clarifying!Did you get your USB 2 KB & mouse working while running 4k@60hz?
Any chance this was on an M1 MacBook?
@i2OzBargain: I did, actually! Hooked it to an M1 MacBook Air and everything is working as expected - charging, 4K60 video and USB hub all through the one cable.
Haven’t tested speeds but I assume based on what above posters said it’s probably limited to USB2 but that’s fine with me.@NinjaCatfish: Thank-you SO much for confirming! I ended up paying $4 more than Skycomp ($585 delivered) from Dell because the sales person said if there were issues I would be able to return it.
It along with the M1 MBP are both due to arrive next week and this is awesome news. Thanks again!
USB-C is a good marketing hype for daisy chaining. In reality, most dongles cut corners coz top notch chipsets are too expensive. For Android phones, most Chinese brands don't even implement USB 3.0. LG and Samsung do so they are able to also include alt-mode for HDMI out (with more limited bandwidth since it is USB 3.0/3.1 gen 1, you can forget any data when using alt-mode on LG/Samsung phones).
Apple, well, the first digital AV dongle is rubbish (4K/30Hz). Thus, you had to go to the market to get 3rd party 4K 60Hz dongles. Most of them don't support HDR. The new one from Apple fixes the issue, but it is expensive. The reason why these USB-C monitors are expensive is because there is essentially a dongle equivalent built into each of these USB-C monitors.
Apple cuts corner on 1m lightning to USB-C cable. The first version was USB 3.0 capable. To lower the cost, all subsequent versions are USB 2.0. So much for being brave and courageous.
A lot of laptops now use a USB-C port for charging as well, which means one of the ports is permanently occupied when on the desk. At least this way the charging and display connectors are combined into one…ideally it should have been a TB3 port but that would further increase cost and also need (very) expensive cables
The issue has nothing to do with lowering cost.
4K @ 60Hz doesn't have enough spare bandwidth to also offer USB 3.0 support as well.
4K @ 30Hz does have enough spare bandwidth to offer USB 3.0.The same is true for most USB-C monitors. With these monitors, you can choose to prioritise data (i.e. USB 3.0 is available) or prioritise display capabilities (i.e. 4K @ 60Hz is available).
Also USB-C doesn't support daisy chaining, only Thunderbolt 3 does.
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USB-C is a confusing standard, full of limitations and inconsistencies.
Will the KFC console get 240fps on this monitor?
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