So after the Capitol Hill riots, Big Tech has gone on a censorship spree. Have you made any attempt to lessen your use of Big Tech products?
Some alternatives I've given a go.
Social Network - Gab and Parler
Email - Protonmaill and Tutanota
Browser - Dissenter, Tor and Brave
Search Engine - Duckduckgo and Startpage
Messaging - Signal and Telegram
Youtube - Rumble and Bitchute
What alternatives are you guys using?
Nice, but I'm not at that stage yet, š
What about the two girls? š
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Almost thought I was in the underwear thread.
Smoke signals
My car uses those too, who needs 5G for car2car communication.
Maybe when summers over š
This highlights the need for the development and adoption of DLT. The sooner we make access to information and data permissionless, immutable, decentralised and free the better.
No single or a select few entities should be allowed to control the flow of information and our data.
Yep, where else will people be able to find out about 5G causing autism? Everyone needs an equal voice
It's better than Big Tech policing speech.
If you believe in every nutjob having a say, no matter how inaccurate they are, and groups of people blindly believing what they have to say, then sure…
Seen the twitter feed of the woman who got shot storming the Capital Building…? Yeah…
Seen the twitter feed of the woman who got shot storming the Capital Buildingā¦? Yeahā¦
I haven't. Link?
If you believe in every nutjob having a say, no matter how inaccurate they are, and groups of people blindly believing what they have to say, then sureā¦
I disagree with a lot of what people say, but I think they still have a right to say it. Free speech does have some downsides.
For example. Gab policy on free speech isn't absolute. It's based on the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
I haven't. Link?
https://twitter.com/ashli_babbitt
Majority is retweets of other nutjobs, but yeah, retweeting stuff like this:
I donāt know who needs to hear this, but expecting everyone else to wear masks to protect YOU is actually selfish.
I donāt know who needs to hear this, but expecting everyone else to wear masks to protect YOU is actually selfish.
In a way, she makes sense?
What you think about censoring all opposing views(even those in the industry) made by WHO concerning covid? Things like hydrochloroquine works, lockdowns and masks don't work?
lockdowns and masks don't work?
Lockdowns don't work? Funny, anyone in WA would say they do.
Lockdowns don't work? Funny, anyone in WA would say they do.
Maybe they just don't work in other countries? Deaths in Sweden remain relatively the same.
I live in WA.
@ozhunter: There's a big difference between the blanket statement of "lockdowns don't work" to a more specific statement of "poorly managed lockdowns don't work".
@spackbace: Maybe all those other countries just don't know how to do it?
The amount of deaths in Sweden is relatively the same.
Deaths in Sweden remain relatively the same.
Thatās not supported by the facts:
The highest number of confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the Nordic countries as of January 7, 2021, occurred in Sweden. Indeed, the number of coronavirus deaths in Sweden amounted to 9,262. Denmark followed with 1,487 deaths, Finland with 564, and Norway with 467.
The highest number of confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the Nordic countries as of January 7, 2021, was in Sweden, where the number amounted to 482,284. Denmark followed with 176,837 cases, and Norway with 52,967 cases.
@spackbace: There is value in letting people express even ideas which you might deem bad. Then you can reflect on and debate them.
@Scrooge McDuck: Except some people lack the cognitive thought process to properly debate the issue at hand. They read something, they believe it.
Like vaccines and autism. No one can argue that link exists without using flawed data to prove their point. Data which has been widely refuted. Yes people believe there's a link, and spread that msg widely. Should they be allowed to continue to spread misinformation, which has been previously debunked?
Do you think Hitler's supporters thought about an alternative? Properly weighed up the options, debated them?
@Scrooge McDuck: Please tell me how Ashli Babbitt went with that education…? Someone who shared everyone else's vile tweets, who furthered her own thoughts based on misguided information which was provided to her. Who's own Twitter feed might have promoted someone else to adopt a similar thought process.
@whooah1979: I don't use Twitter…
But what you're suggesting is that those who don't know any better, who will blindly follow someone else's misinformation, should choose to block someone else?
It's like telling an alcoholic not to drink
@spackbace: Everyone has the right to have an opinion and the right to exchange their opinions with other people that choose to engage with them.
@spackbace: What are you going to do about "those that don't know any better" - cut all of their access to any information or any means to travel or damage people and property?
What are you going to do about
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that I have direct control over what they do.
Shit, I have more power than I thought!
@spackbace: I just wanted to more clearly get your position given you seem to support the current censorship - being facetious doesn't add anything to the discussion but just in case you were inexplicably being genuine:
What would you do if you were the CEO of Twitter with the power to censor content on your private platform - would you continue to censor content or users because people "don't know any better"?
What would you do if you were the Prime Minister of Australia or a member of cabinet with clout in one of our major political parties - would you push for censorship or other means of restricting personal freedoms because people "don't know any better"?
Do you think Hitler's supporters thought about an alternative? Properly weighed up the options, debated them?
Censorship in Nazi Germany was extreme and strictly enforced by the governing Nazi Party, but specifically by Joseph Goebbels and his Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Censorship within Nazi Germany included control of all forms of mass communication, which included newspaper, music, literature, radio, and film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Nazi_Germany
@spackbace: You want Big Tech to go all CCP on those who spread misinformation? Want them to be the arbiter of truth?
With the Capitol Hill riots, do you think Trump the protesters to be violent? If not, why hasn't Twitter deleted all those Democrats saying he is responsible?
People have to take the good with the bad. The GFW is a good example of what happens when a single entity controls what people see and hear. These people only know what is feed to them.
5G causing autism was so early 2019. it's 5G causing covid. get facts updated pleaseeeeeee
Pfft, everyone knows covid is causing 5G…
Don't forget the COVID vaccine will cause you to turn into a 5G tower and thus spread more COVID.
@Clear: I thought everyone knew that. There's a big pump underneath that pumps all the water back up after it flows off the sides. If it was round everything would roll off.
Heres some news, 5G is barely more noticeable than 4G.
https://decrypt.co/7711/gab-is-decentralizing-raising-10-milā¦
Written over a year ago, but it seems to be the goal for Gab.
Parler is getting shut down.
Not sure about getting shut down but it got booted from the Google Play and App stores. Amazon kicked them from their servers.
Other vendors have ditched them too. I'm guessing it's not good for their business if they are associated with Parler.
https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-droppedā¦
https://gab.com has a had a huge influx of users in the last couple days(it's quite slow are the moment). It seems to be where many of them are headed.
I probably should have said big tech is doing everything they can to shut parler down.
Iāve never actually used it, but from what Iāve heard itās not really any more extreme than twitter except that itās on the wrong side of the political spectrum that the powerful elites and tech types support.
Are you kidding me? Parler is a hotbed of racism, lies, misinformation and falsehoods. Itās filled with gun toting aggressive people who yell at each other the whole time. Itās a joke to call that thing a social media network. Itās really anti social.
@snooksy: And twitter is a hotbed full of racism, lies, misinformation and falsehoods. It's filled with vacinne toting aggressive people who yell at each other the whole time. It's ANti socIAl!
As an example, trump didn't call for violence, he was 10x more peaceful than Biden and kamala, he even called for the protesters to stand down and go home in peace when it got wild. The democrat leaders literally said that violence is just a natural part of a protest, or something to that effect and called on their riots to continue and get bigger. Nancy Pelosi thought "every street in America should be feeling the riots wrath"!?!?!????!!!!!!!!
Yet who got banned for "inciting violence"? That's a narrative manipulation tool straight from goebbels playbook….
@BigBirdy: Videos, assuming they aren't deep fakes or something, the fact that you assume they are crazy claims is testament to the level of censorship that we have.
@lew380: Videos? Movies are not real life. You may not like mainstream media, but if you arenāt seeing the content of these videos on those major outlets, itās probably because it isnāt true. Thereās a sh1tload of stuff being uploaded to YouTube and dodgy political (& unmoderated) websites that are fiction designed to rile up the gullible and generate power and money for others. Basically just movies claiming to be reality. Surely you donāt want to be suckered into that rubbish?
@BigBirdy: Do you want me to do all your work?
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1007290377995538432?sā¦
@lew380: āI donāt understand why donāt people rise up about children being put in cagesā … thatās your evidence that Trump is the peacemaker and Pelosi promotes violence? Maybe you should think about this … if neo-Nazis waving Confederate flags with posters claiming Hitler should have killed more Jews while erecting gallows are marching with you, then maybe youāre on the wrong side
@BigBirdy: She called for riots and protests! Shouldn't she also get banned from twitter for inciting violence? There's a lot more recent ones, especially of Biden and kamala if you want me to show you the wonders of the Internet. Trump didn't incite violence, and if you suggest that he did, you have to incriminate everyone who has every encouraged a protest, almost every politician everywhere.
If your suggesting that conservatives are connected with nazis, you will have to more than make up some fake examples. Are you going to bring up the poor jussie smollet? What about that nut job comedian that held up a fake severed head of Donald trump, if I walk with the nazis, you have to walk with her, if that's the logic path your suggesting. There's crazy people on both sides, I wouldn't connect all leftists with antifa, or all the BLM riots. A few idiots can't be conflated with a whole political position. Facts and policies speak for themselves.
@lew380: Pelosi called for people to rise up, the message clearly being one of making their voices heard. Trump has spent his term defending, praising and encouraging those perpetrating violent attacks, such as Charlottesville, Kenosha and Washington.
I made no mention about left, right or conservatives. Itās not conservatives that support this behaviour, they were also horrified by it. Itās rent-seekers, opportunists, racists, xenephobes and the gullible. Take your pick. Itās no surprise the Russians cheer on Trump, heās much like Putin.
@BigBirdy: Wow, you read a lot into his words, he has never praised or encouraged violent behaviour. I hope you have some serious quotes to back up such a malicious statement. I don't think supporting protests is inherently violent, he denounced the violence so these articles are quite politically pointed and pedantic.
And why is it bad that Russians like trump? Do you have a dislike of slavic people? How is trump like putin? Are you still mad that your long awaited dossier doesn't exist and isn't coming!!?!?? Sad…
And why is it bad that Russians like trump?
The same reason Republicans think China liking Biden is bad.
Both sides think that an external country influencing the leader of their government will benefit that country, not America. Whether either of those things is the truth is neither here nor there, because both sides are OK with ignoring the chance that they are wrong.
@dizzle: China are about to overtake America both economically, militarily and influence in a few short years, it's a peaceful war before it gets physical. What good pruducts have you brought from Russia recently? They are a long way from any real world threat. Its not the same argument.
The Democrats were using outdated cold War fear to try and smear trump, pure political drama, as expected. Whereas, the Democrats ties to China are a legitimate threat to americas future as a leader, in almost all areas. This is particularly true for us here in Australia, if we lose americas protection, we are then a China vassel state, more or less.
@lew380: Yeah sure mate. Trump came out with his video asking for them to go home after the riot in the Capitol was put down. Compare the people in the riots in the Capitol to what the BLM protesters were doing.
At some point , you need to put your big boy pants on and just accept it that Trump was a loser who bullied his way in to the office , and then once he got in he found out that he had no clue what he was doing. He used the Republican controlled senate to his advantage and took advantage of a booming economy.
Had every opportunity to use the Covid crisis to turn his reputation around and lead America but instead he just didn't want to own the responsibility and just squandered it away. Trump would have easily won the election if he hadn't screwed up his handling of the crisis .
You honestly think that the Democratic party has the brains to do anything street smart ? They are a bunch of losers who cant agree on a common policy amongst them.
AWS isn't the only game in town. There are about a dozen of solutions in the works to combat the MNC dominance on the storage market and their censorship practices.
They can try, AWS is 40% of the Internet.
They don't have beat AWS. They just have to make it available to those who choose to use a censorship-resistant network.
It's not censorship when you post things on their services against the Terms of Service/Terms of Use (which you/whoever would have agreed to upon signup).
If the cops take away your license for speeding (against the law), that's not censorship. So why is a social media post that's deemed against the TOS/TOU, censorship?
The right to hold a motor vehicle licence isn't protected by the US Constitution. The expression of one's opinion is protected.
Oh, this is an Australian site. So I'm talking about Australian laws.
Just because a social media site is hosted in the US, from a US company, doesn't mean that US laws apply to you.
But if we were to go into US law, freedom of opinion isn't a thing. Freedom of speech is though, but is limited…
In some circumstances, the Supreme Court has held that certain types of speech are of only ālowā First Amendment value, such as:
- True threats: Threats to commit a crime (for example, āIāll kill you if you donāt give me your moneyā) can be punished. (See Watts v. United States 1969).
The reason Parler is getting booted off everywhere is due to the type of content being posted there such as threats to kill, harm and perform acts of violence against US Senators and the general public (they say left-wing radicals, I say people who oppose their views regardless of their political spectrum).
Those threats to kill, harm and perform acts of violence are against the US constitution, as mentioned above. So Apple, Google, Amazon etc… have booted them from their services. It's fair to note that Apple and Amazon gave them a deadline to remove the offending posts from their website, but they refused. Guess what happens next… they get booted off. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
TLDR; Parler denied requests to remove offending and illegal posts on the social media platform, so they are getting booted off app stores and hosting platforms for violating TOS/TOU/law.
Twitter's HQ is in Cali which makes them a subject to the US Constitution.
D. Trump's tweets didn't incite the protesters to use violence while exercising their right to protest. They did what they did of their own accord.
Twitter removing his posts shows how much control MNC have over the flow of information. The best way to give people a voice is for people to adopt DLT. This will allow them to access free information and give them their ability to have full control of their data.
@whooah1979: MNC? DLT? Twitter seems to care about the future of the United States where they operate their business from. Donald Trump has damaged the credibility of the US and will probably continue to do so. I canāt understand why people believe his lies. The US has a huge amount more debt after his four years. He has whittled down tax laws and gutted government spending. The problems just continue to get worse. The rich will keep avoiding taxes. The US has less involvement in foreign affairs and policy. It will continue to get further into debt. Donald Trump is a disgrace, and it affects the western democracies of the world. American businesses also have a responsibility to the country they operate in. Giving this disaster of a man a voice isnāt helping anybody except himself. Companies have broader social responsibility as well you know. If you donāt like what Twitter has done then donāt use it. Vote with your feet same as you might buy Pepsi or Coke. You are free to decide where you want to give your personal information to online. Twitter is a company and they can do as they please really. It is not a public broadcaster. Trump still has Fox News, AON and right wing crazy outlets to deliver his hate.
I'm not aware of this other than what has been posted here, but why is a platform being shutdown because of the content being posted by some users? If people are making criminal threats, isn't it the job of law enforcement to prosecute them?
This seems to be shooting the messenger.
@Scrooge McDuck: @Scrooge, then wouldn't the same apply for torrent websites? Why do torrent websites get shut down/blocked when it's the users who do the illegal torrent seeding and leeching?
It's about risk mitigation. If a website is advertising themselves as a safe haven for those to express their opinions with no regard to the law, then action must be taken to stop that.
@soundboy5010: I'm not for shutting down torrent websites either. Plenty of free content is distributed through torrents.
@Scrooge McDuck: Apple and Google have blocked Parler because itās all pretty much hate speech. Itās constant talk of killing democrats and violence against āleftiesā.
@snooksy: Have you been on parlour or gab? I've been on both and what your saying couldn't be further from the truth. Admittedly, gab was pretty bad in the early years, I steered clear of it as the nazi memes were too much, but that's been reformed and no longer a problem.
The problem is that twitter is applying ing the rules unfairly. I don't seem to understand that you can still complain that the 2016 election was rigged by Russia and that trump is an illegitimate president, hillary even had certain audits of accusations of fraud. She was allowed to have FULL audits and her complaints and supporters were given full transperancy and full use of the courts.
Now that Donald trump is doing the EXACT SAME Thing, but this time he has evidence, and the courts are refusing to take on the cases, the media are going full defensive and the Democrats are inciting treason to halt any attempts to audit anything at all. Almost like they are hiding something….. And now all the media platforms are banning and burning books and burning people at the stake who even mention any potential for fraud or illegitimacy. It's a double standard, 2016 election disputes are counted as civil and just seeking transparency, 2020 election disputes are considered treason and are being erased from the Internet and civilisation. Isn't the fact that the trump campaign actually have evidence and red flags of fraud, good reason to just investigate and get this sorted? Rather than nazi level censorship to create a narrative that's suits a political agenda now that the media/government complex has the reigns?
TLDR There is no objectivity or fairness in this censorship. The Democrats have control of the media, and they are applying shady rules to suit a political agenda, about as evil and tyrranical as it can get.
The expression of ones opinion is not even protected in the USA. The first amendment is only about protecting you from being put in jail for saying things the government doesn't like. Private companies can have any rule they like about what you can say on their platform.
True, but doesn't that mean it has to be that way. https://www.rt.com/news/510352-poland-free-speech-social-medā¦
The right to express one's opinion may not be protected by US law in the case of Twitter v Trump, but it is a right under fundamental human rights.
ozhunter's link shows how a country values the rights of its citizens to express their opinion in a lawful way and that those rights are more important than MNC profits.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/9937781/redir
https://polandin.com/51388314/justice-minister-announces-onlā¦
The full name of the bill is the law on freedom of expressing one's own views and searching and disseminating information on the internet.
Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. In the event of removal or blockage, a complaint can be sent to the platform, which will have 24 hours to consider it. Within 48 hours of the decision, the user will be able to file a petition to the court for the return of access. The court will consider complaints within seven days of receipt and the entire process is to be electronic.
Tor. Be a tor relay and tor exit if you want to support free flow of information.
Now, how does one boycott Australian government? They are censoring internet via ISPs. Non-TOS-breaking suggestions welcome.
Change your DNS.
I actually forgot I had this installed. It seems to be slower than using one of the mentioned browsers with a vpn.
Probably the most privacy-based one on the ones I mentioned.
It tends to be snowflake conservatives who rail about freedom of speech
Basically because they have a poorer cognitive grasp of reality (hence why conservatism is correlated to religious belief & conspiracy ideation)
There you are.
Maybe because conservatives are the ones not being allowed to speak?
Should I be denied the right, via electronic platforms, to encourage people to murder Donald Trump?
You know. Freedom of speech & all that
Freedom of speech in line with the US Constitution isn't absolute.
Takes a high IQ to understand the difference between frees.of speech and incitement of violence.
@Boogerman: Would you like the full list of things I'm vaccinated against? There are plenty. How sad to only be able to see things as black or white, people can agree with things generally, and still be weary of a new version of those things.
@brendanm: 1) Vaccinations
2) The moon landing
3) 5G
4) Global warming
5) 2020 US Election
What have I missed?
@brendanm: 1) Double quarter pounder
2) 10 Chicken nuggers
3) Large fries
4) Large chocolate thick shake
5) Hot apple pie
What have I missed?
Who's not being allowed to speak? You're on here speaking. Donald Trump has his press gallery available 24/7 to speak to millions of people. Who is being denied speech?
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