Quote for Service on 2003 Magna - Too Much?

Hi guys, took 2003 Auto Magna station wagon in for a service and asked for quote on what needs to be fixed…sent me this that arvo, would love experienced people's thoughts, thankyou!

edit: Context is that I've had this old darling sitting in the shed for a year and want to sell it. It's done 97,000 km's so pretty low for it's age and it runs beautifully. Just wondering what jobs I should get done so the next owner won't really have to worry about anything (but also won't cost me the value of the car to fix it).

Rocker Cover Gaskets/Tube Seals and Spark Plug Leads - $931.00

Bonnet Struts - $228.00 (exchange)

Alternator Belt - $118.00

Powersteering high pressure pipe – part is obsolete

Vehicle Battery - $267.20

Transmission Fluid - $260.00

LHF and RHF Shocker Dust Boot - $392.00

RH Inner CV Boot - $234.00

Tailgate Struts - $178.00

Key Remote - $198.00

Front Brake Pads and Front Disc Machine - $352.60

TOTAL $3158.80

Comments

  • +44

    You don’t need to get all of that stuff done.

    • +2

      Or upgrade it to a newer car and wait till everything dies again ;)

  • +66

    The repairs are more than the value of the car

    • +5

      triple the value….

  • +2

    How bunky is the car?! Sounds like it's had it's day

  • +11

    Push it into a lake. Claim Stolen.

    • +4

      You are assuming the car has insurance, remember the type of OPs that post on OzB ;)

    • +3

      And enjoy your fraud charge

  • +5

    $3158 plus change on an 18 year old car. Yeah, no. Looking on Carsales, that's basically the placement cost for a ~2004 Magna with around 250,000km on it.

    You haven't stated one crucial bit of info: What's the mileage on your car?

    There is a point in time where every old car becomes an endless money sink. No matter how much money you put in, something else is about to break. And you still have an old car. I think you have reached that point.

    • +1

      And if it is running fine!

    • +12

      "It's done 97,000 km's…"

      • +6

        One elderly
        lady owner to supermarket and back

    • +4

      It's done 97,000 km's so pretty low for it's age

  • +17

    "Powersteering high pressure pipe – part is obsolete"

    Car is obsolete……

    • +1

      Though Enzed or Pirtek or any other hose specialist could remake it for $100.

      • A lot of hose places won’t touch automotive replacements. They often don’t have the insurance if something goes wrong.

        Source: we do hydraulic hoses at work and won’t touch anything related to going on the road. Also both the other local hose places we use (known brand names) won’t touch anything safety related on vehicles. No brake, no trans and no steering hoses.

        But yes, there are places out there that would remake a Magna power steering hose without much of an issue.

        • +2

          I had a camry high pressure hose redone by Enzed Brookvale cause it was obsolete from Toyota.
          I also in a past life had roof hoses replaced for astra convertibles from a mobile independent fitter.
          I'm sure most of the 'don't wanna touch it' guys work would be hydraulic plant or tipper truck type stuff, much more demanding than a power steer hose and more safety critical. If a PS hose fails you still have mechanical control, if a hydraulic ram hose fails on a dump truck or backhoe then the whole machine/truck could tip over.

    • +2

      Magna's always been obsolete

  • +4

    can the car still run? if yes, just sell it onto someone else. backpackers love magnas.. there ain't a lot of backpackers around at the moment.. which state are you in?

  • Agreed with above. Fix the stuff that needs fixing to get it running, everything else is the new owners problem

  • +12

    After the edit: Very low mileage and it runs fine. Sell it as is. You will never get any money out of doing repairs for someone else. It's always going to be a 2003 Magna with a price capped at an absolute max of $3200 private sale.

    https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2003-mitsubishi-magn...

    • +2

      It's always going to be a 2003 Magna with a price capped at an absolute max of $3200 private sale

      Used car prices up a lot, due to the pandemic. Most buys will just look at the KMs and the exterior condition. If you can shine up the car, you can probably get more than the redbook value.

  • +33

    Rocker Cover Gaskets/Tube Seals and Spark Plug Leads - $931.00

    If nothing is leaking under your car and your car starts normally, ignore it.

    Bonnet Struts - $228.00 (exchange)

    Can live without this if you are saving money.

    Alternator Belt - $118.00

    Probably the one most important thing you should get done, at 97000 kms it was probably never done and you should do it around 100000 kms

    Powersteering high pressure pipe – part is obsolete

    Is it uncomfortable to steer your car or does it take a lot of strenght to turn the wheel? no? skip this.

    Vehicle Battery - $267.20

    Does the car start instantly every time, even after 1 week of not starting it up? skip this.

    Tailgate Struts - $178.00

    Can live without this if you are saving money.

    Key Remote - $198.00

    What is exactly wrong with it?

    Front Brake Pads and Front Disc Machine - $352.60

    If your steering wheel shakes when braking get them machined; if your brakes make screeching noise when using them, you should really replace them

    No idea about others, and I am not a mechanic - just sharing the knowledge my honest mechanic tells me when he's servicing mine and other people shitboxes who want to save money.

    • When replacing pads/discs etc… Open the bleed nipple on the caliper you're working on when moving the caliper piston, otherwise you could damage the master cylinder, just a tip. (Close bleed nipple when you have piston where you need it)

  • +8

    At that price, a 2003 Magna is a economic write off…

    Some of the prices are bullshit though. Bonnet struts are well less than that. A battery should be cheaper. Alternator/acc drive belt seems over priced. The rest I didnt go through if those things are over priced, I am sure the rest are as well.

    Better to shop these prices around. There will be much cheaper options out there than this and some of these things are just not worth doing…

  • +2

    Key Remote - $198.00

    that's expensive.

    • +2

      You can grab one from the wreckers for $20 and reprogram it yourself.

  • +1

    Best to let that car go! Our Dodge Journey 2010 was going to cost us 4k just for a water pump, we opted to let it go as we had hit 200K on the clock. A wrecker took it away and gave us 1K cash. It feels like a death in the family but that’s life and ya gotta move on sometimes!

    Had more luck with Mitsubishi over the years inc. Verada, Magna and 380…might opt for this brand again for the replacement vehicle!

    • +3

      Dodge Journey

      Make of car checks out.

      • +5

        American trash! Never again!

  • +18

    I forgot how expensive mechanics can be having done all car work myself for the last 15 years, I've put some things down below, straight off the bat you can reduce considerable money.

    Rocker Cover Gaskets/Tube Seals and Spark Plug Leads - $931.00

    Parts for this is fairly cheap, you're paying for labor here, V6 engine in a East/West config so the front bank will be super easy, the rear bank will need the intake off. If it's not a bad leak, leave it and top up the oil.

    Bonnet Struts - $228.00 (exchange)

    Insane!! these are <$50 on ebay and take minutes to replace, or just keep a $5 broom handle handle under the bonnet, doubles as a weapon in dodgy areas.. win/win

    Alternator Belt - $118.00

    Belt is cheap and replacing it isn't hard at all, you'd likely be able to do this yourself in the driveway.

    Powersteering high pressure pipe – part is obsolete

    You'll need to go to a place that specialises in making high pressure hoses and get them to make you a new one, costs will vary and might be tricky to replace. This is a must because when they go it'll take out the pump and can be dangerous to drive without p/steering

    Vehicle Battery - $267.20

    $100 from supercheap and 10 minutes to change, DIY

    Transmission Fluid - $260.00

    The first reasonable price here, fluid alone would cost close to $100 and they can be a pain to replace on certain cars as you need to fill, drive, fill, etc.

    LHF and RHF Shocker Dust Boot - $392.00

    At this age (and price), you're better off with new (cheap ebay brand) shocks.

    RH Inner CV Boot - $234.00

    As above, cheap ebay brand one, once the boot is torn its anyone's guess how long it'll last, does it click when turning?. Not too tricky to change if you're handy with the tools btw

    Tailgate Struts - $178.00

    Check ebay, cheap as anything and super easy to replace, otherwise, vice grips or a piece of PVC pipe to put on the strut shaft.

    Key Remote - $198.00

    New battery? or is it to replace a broken remote?

    Front Brake Pads and Front Disc Machine - $352.60

    Can get this a lot cheaper on ebay or from supercheap - not hard to replace either.. can do at the same time as the shocks and cv joint.

    TOTAL $3158.80

    • +3
      • Can get this a lot cheaper on ebay

      unless the OP is savvy enough to buy parts from ebay and DYI. I am pretty sure most garages won't accept parts you're purchased from a 3rd party.
      Issues when these parts fail (counterfeit car parts) or causes damage to your car ( dodgy oils), they won't take that risk.

      • +1

        Absolutely, my bad for not being too clear on that. Things like gas struts for the bonnet and boot lid are super easy and don't require much experience with cars to change. The more intricate stuff like struts, brake discs, pads, etc. aren't too tricky if you have a half way decent 1/2" drive socket set and know the basics of pulling something apart and putting it back together in the same way - but not everyone is too keen on getting their hands dirty.

        • Pro tip: when changing the gas struts, securely prop open the hood or boot before taking strut off. It's heavier than you think.
          In my case it was a hatchback rear so was large including the rear window so very heavy. Boot and bonnet not so bad but still worth doing.

      • My mechanic happily accepts supplied parts (provided some of the parts I need it'll take him longer to get and he can only get third party for more expensive than OEM that I would get from Japan).
        The places that reject third party parts due to "risk" are also the places which are very unlikely to do proper warranty anyway (from my experience that is). They are usually pissed that you're damaging their bottom-line, as they do make a bit of profit on parts and it's adjusted in their cost system.
        My mechanic is pretty decent bloke and is upfront about this stuff. Granted he is an older mechanic and works in his own workshop by himself. So he knows what he is doing rather than some apprentice doing the job for him. His labour cost is more but he only does what he thinks is needed unlike some other shops that always want to replace your entire car.

        • +2

          The old guy doesn't need to buy an expensive house with a massive mortgage or a new Euro brand / style SUV every 3 years.

          That is the problem with our country. Apparently it is shunned upon to drive a Corolla Hybrid but it is okay to rip people off so you can drive an Euro whatever.

          I sleep easier at nights driving a shunned upon car.

          • @netjock: I chuckled at this 😂 I can see how this could be true and saddens me…

            On the topic of cars, drive what makes you happy or satisfies your needs why you care about what other people say…

            • @OpayuOnam: Agree with car that makes you happy.

              I have been driving past one of the cheaper suburbs nearby we talking about 400k - 500k houses and there is high number of $50k+ near new Euros parked in drive ways and side of the road.

              • +1

                @netjock: :( this sort of thing is what really makes me anxious about the financial state of our country. Feels like we are reliving the events of "The Big Short" in real time…

                • +1

                  @OpayuOnam: True.

                  We are shorting ourselves. If you think of a $1m property the interest rates can go to zero or slight negative but your $800k of principle is almost in tact.

                  Problem is nobody thought about low interest rates or China trade as a windfall. People are thinking this is going to go on for 30 years.

                  If we look at history of America, US only boomed after WWI and WWII and the booms never really lasted for near 30 years for the regular person. After WWII America kicked off the boom in the 1950s after the figured out returning service people would be a social issue without jobs and homes. 1960s to 1980s is probably the best time for regular Americans ended by oil crisis (high inflation and high interest). 1990s to now is really just the stock market that has done well.

                  The UK is similar. It only got better after the UK joined the EEC in 1970s. Boom didn't happen until 80s and 90s and now it is kind of over with Brexit.

                  If salaries don't double I can't see house prices doubling. Maybe houses will form a minimum base around $800k - $1.5m but the masses have no way of paying more than that.

                  • @netjock: Housing market is at its absolute peak now, anybody buying for any other reason then to live as a ppor will be sour, better off buying bitcoin

                  • @netjock: All true words, but me looks at Singapore and Hong Kong (yes completely different geographical conditions) but if the madness can happen there and no one owns a house maybe it happens here.
                    Maybe people slowly accept that they cannot buy a house, the big monopolies form around land (just like the feudal system) and in this a few middle class families will benefit by already owning a house. The class separation slowly increases and thou either own a house or you don't.
                    Okay I don't want to think about it anymore :(

                    • +1

                      @OpayuOnam: Build to rent is coming

                      The worst part about build to rent is you basically pay rent for life and there isn't the safety net / rent controls like some European countries.

                  • @netjock: Thats what its costs in London, I can see the same happening in Melbourne and Sydney.

                    • @Shacktool: London is probably still affordable. East London, West Ham which isn't trendy but from the London Underground Station 35 minutes to the city centre (Bond St on Jubliee Line) and GBP350k - $450k for a 3 Bedroom Victorian Terrace. Way cheaper than Sydney units. Might be marginally cheaper than Melbourne units for that matter.

          • @netjock: But…but how will you make social media posts and get the likes? Some people need those likes to sleep easier at night even if their euro car is on a high interest rate loan.

            • @eek: Depends on what price you put on likes. Likes don't pay your car loan or your mortgage.

              • @netjock: That's not what I'm led to believe on their videos online

                • +1

                  @eek: And videos online says you could make hundreds of thousands doing FBA (Fulfilled by Amazon) or quit your job and day trade. I'm surprise why if you can make so much money FBA why they are selling it cheaply to you online. Or if day trading is so profitable why everyone is still turning up to work.

                  • @netjock: The ones that turn up to work (like me) are just the people who haven't signed up to their online course….Or maybe I just need an onlyfans account.

        • +1

          The places that reject third party parts due to "risk" are also the places which are very unlikely to do proper warranty anyway

          With the way consumer law is now, if a mechanic installs your supplied part, they are acknowledging that it is of "acceptable quality", and will be on the hook to replace it for $0 labour if it fails.

          • @brendanm: Again come down to your relationship with your mechanic, he looks after me and like wise I won't be an ass to him.
            I'm sure if enough people screw him over he will change his practice too, but hey I'm supplying him parts of better quality than he could get for my car so …
            Again I highly doubt you could rock up to your local Kmart or AutoTune with some second hand wreckers parts and expect them to accept it.

            • +1

              @OpayuOnam: You are missing the point. Mechanics won't fit supplied parts as they don't want to be on the hook for labour. Imagine if they've fit a clutch for something like a 4wd xtrail, that the customer supplied, and then have to replace it for free if defective. You'd lose at least a days labour through no fault of your own. The risk vs reward isn't there, much easier just to not accept them.

              Edit - another example of this being problematic, I had a customer supply a clutch for their car. Car up on hoist, gearbox off, clutch is incorrect. Now have to wait for them to return that one and get the correct one. While they are doing that, you can't use the hoist that the car is sitting on, this losing money.

              • @brendanm: I think you didn't read my comment properly. I'm saying I've got a relationship with my mechanic, he does me well I do him well. I won't hold him accountable for my stupidity.
                I understand how this cannot happen in every shop, and I cannot rock up to a new place and do this. I have built this relationship over the years.

                • +1

                  @OpayuOnam: You said

                  The places that reject third party parts due to "risk" are also the places which are very unlikely to do proper warranty anyway

                  which is incorrect. Your mechanic only does it because you know him, and have gone there for years and years. Nothing to do with the statement above.

                  • @brendanm: I apologies, what I had in mind when I wrote that was the aforementioned UltraTune/Kmarts of the world. I've never heard good stories about them (unless you are going for the most basic oil change/tyre change) and I personally have had to fight Kmart for warranty on a very dodgy work they did on a friends car which resulted in her engines seizure (naturally they didn't want to foot in the $5k bill themselves), it took 2 separate reports from other mechanics and a letter of demand for them to give in and do a gesture of good will. (They knew they would lose in small claims court as all the evidence was stacked against them).
                    I did not mean to offend honest mechanics who have been stung by people who supply shitty parts and then blame their mechanic…
                    Cheers

  • +5

    Where did you get this quote from OP, a stealership?

    You're selling the car, don't spend any more than you have to on it.

    The next owner may be mechanically minded and do all the necessary work themselves at a fraction of the quote you were given.

  • +9

    Every single part listed on there is at least twice the price that it should be

    • +1

      That's normal, it's the 100% markup at the shop. Some places are more like Scotty Kilmer. Others… not so much.

      • Scott Kilmer is a hack.

        • Lol, if you say so.

          • @Oofy Doofy: I do. So does anyone who knows anything about spannering.

            • @brendanm: I call bs on that.

              • @Oofy Doofy: Well, once you've been doing it for many years, you can come back and let me know what you think then.

              • @Oofy Doofy: Scotty Kilmer is a joke. Good entertainment but not that good a mech.

                • @brad1-8tsi: Oooh really?

                  • @Oofy Doofy: Really. I understand what he's trying to do as an entertainer but the vids I've seen didn't give me a high regard for him. maybe it's just the presentation style.

                    YMMV

  • 17+ years old car, first thing I'd look to change is the radiator. Low KM's or not, they corrode.

    Last thing you want is water mixing with oil.

    • +7

      The coolant and oil doesn't potentially mix in the radiator.

      Replace it for sure but not for the reason you have given.

      • -3

        "potentially" ?

        Don't know about a Magna, but it sure did on an old but seldom used 2003 Mazda 323 I owned.

        11 years old car that had done 21xxx KM's needed radiator, head, and head-gasket, etc. replaced after mixing oil & water.

        • +7

          You nailed it. The failed gasket is what allowed the oil and coolant to mix, not an old radiator.

          • @MS Paint: Yeah, but the leaking radiator led to the overheating, which led to the failed gasket, etc. :)

            • @xuqi: 😀

            • +2

              @xuqi: Radiators aren't a service item, you replace them if there's something wrong with them caused by damage or corrosion. Unless this particular model is prone to radiator issues with age, it's fine. Most cars will never need their radiator replaced provided they are not damaged and the correct coolant is used.

    • 3rd gen Magna radiator has plastic top tank. New they're black but with age they turn brown & go brittle.

    • How?

  • I wouldn't bother with any of that. I would tighten down rocker cover & clean, change oil & brake fluid, change radiator fluid, check brakes for wear & rust (brake calipers) to make sure it stops without noise, then sell it.

  • +2

    Is it worth 3000???

    who ever quoted you those prices hates you]
    228 for bonnet struts? What are they made of, meteorite? Paid $45 for a pair of gas strut guys on ebay…. still going well

  • +1

    Those prices are quite outrageous. I had several Magnas up until I got a 380 last year. No reason to get rid of the car if you like it and with those km's on it. Get phone quotes for a local workshop or mobile mechanic to just change the alternator belt and give the job to the most reasonable one. Ask them about the other stuff once they are doing it. I'll bet there is a big difference in price.
    Like some others here I also got bonnet struts on ebay ($10 during a sale) and they were very easy to change. For example https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-x-NEW-Gas-Struts-suit-Mitsubis...
    If your key fob is worn out new cases are quite cheap on ebay and you just swap over the insides or the wreckers have them for $25-$30
    The last transmission fluid I bought was genuine and $55 for 5 litres from a dealership and also easy to change. Everything is if you are handy I guess but even if not there are plenty of reasonable mechanics out there. Your quote is not from one of them.

  • +7

    Unfortunately mechanics are one industry full of thieves. Sure there are the rare good ones about but the majority love to fleece people. Sad really.

    • You know what they say about fortunes. Something along the lines of: behind every fortune is a crime committed but conveniently forgotten.

      Or in this case just a series of petty crimes.

  • +1

    This mechanic is absolutely taking you to the cleaners lol. As long as it starts and drives ok, just list it. No one buying a Magna of that vintage will expect all those things to be done.

  • +4

    The reason the price is so high for the rocker cover gaskets is because it is a truly horrible job. Mitsubishi used the crappiest rubber possible, that turns into very hard plastic with heat and age, and ends up welded into the equally shitty pressed tin rocker covers they used. You end up with 2 hours per rocker cover of breaking out 5mm pieces of gasket, which also distorts the covers themselves, and stabbing yourself in the hand with a screwdriver.

    I assume the price for the "dust boots" is actually just replacing the entire struts.

    Bonnet strut price is very high.

    Battery price is high, it's an 03 magna, throw in anything that will start it.

    Brake price is high, should be replacing discs for that price, not machining them.

    CV boot price is high by about $80 or so.

    Power steering hose being obsolete is stupid, hydraulic hose company will simply fix that one or make one the same.

    In summary, sell it as is, it's not worth spending the money on.

    • +1

      Had to do rear exhaust manifold gaskets on a V6 Magna “once”. I would sooner quit my job or burn the workshop to the ground and do prison time over ever having to do anything engine related on a Magna V6 ever again…

      • Yep, they are an abomination.

    • +2

      I did the gaskets and rocker cover/plug seals on a 2006 Pajero (6G75 v6 engine), spent way too long trying to clean out the covers where the rubber was stuck on like you described. Ended up just taking a blowtorch to it and burning everything out.

  • SEll your car to wrecker & get a newer one.

    • Sell it to a wrecker for $500 at best lmao, terrible idea

      • +1

        How much do you think its worth? I'd have a get away car running round the corner if I was offered 500 for it.

  • +2

    At 100000kms you should change the timing belt if it hasn’t been done. Big $$$$.
    Say good bye to the old girl.

  • +5

    Did you ask the mechanic if he will use KY when he rogers you? or going in dry?

    • +2

      That's covered under the; 'Misc/sundry workshop' line item.

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