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[XB1, XSX, PC, SUBS] 20 Bethesda Games Added to Xbox Game Pass @ Microsoft


Bethesda Games Playable with Xbox Game Pass (As of March 12)

Dishonored Definitive Edition (Console, PC, Cloud)
This complete compilation includes Dishonored, winner of over 100 Game of Year awards, as well as all of its additional content – Dunwall City Trials, The Knife of Dunwall, The Brigmore Witches and Void Walker’s Arsenal.

Dishonored 2 (Console, PC, Cloud)
Reprise your role as a supernatural assassin in Dishonored 2 – the next chapter in the award-winning saga by Arkane Studios. Play your way in a world where mysticism and industry collide. How will you combine your character’s unique set of powers, weapons and gadgets to eliminate your enemies?

DOOM (1993) (Console, PC, Cloud)
Doom introduced millions of gamers to the fast-paced, white-knuckle, demon-slaying action the franchise is known for. Relive the birth of the first-person shooter and experience the demon-blasting fun that popularized the genre. Doom includes Episode IV: Thy Flesh Consumed, with 9 additional action-packed levels and split-screen 4-player deathmatch and co-op.

DOOM II (Console, PC, Cloud)
Bring your trusty Super Shotgun and an arsenal of classic Doom weapons to bear against deadlier demons and the infamous boss, the Icon of Sin. Doom II includes The Master Levels for Doom II with 20 additional levels, as well as split-screen 4 player co-op and multiplayer.

DOOM 3 (Console, PC, Cloud)
Battle your way through a demon-infested facility before entering the abyss to battle Hell’s mightiest warrior – and put an end to the invasion. Doom 3 includes both campaign expansions – Resurrection of Evil and The Lost Mission.

DOOM 64 (Console, PC, Cloud)
Battle armies of demons in your crusade to hunt down the Mother Demon and stop Hell’s invasion. As you fight through more than 30 action-packed levels, be on the lookout for enhanced weapons and secrets to help you put an end to the demonic threat.

DOOM Eternal (Console, PC, Cloud)
Hell’s armies have invaded Earth. Become the Slayer in an epic single-player campaign to conquer demons across dimensions and stop the final destruction of humanity. Experience the ultimate combination of speed and power in Doom Eternal – the next leap in push-forward, first-person combat. The only thing they fear… is you.

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (Console, PC)
An epic, open-ended single-player RPG, Morrowind allows you to play any kind of character imaginable. You can choose to follow the main storyline and find the source of the evil blight that plagues the land, or set off on your own to explore strange locations and develop your character.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Console, PC)
Step inside the most richly detailed and vibrant game-world ever created. With a powerful combination of freeform gameplay and unprecedented graphics, you can unravel the main quest at your own pace or explore the vast world and find your own challenges.

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition (Console, PC, Cloud)
Winner of more than 200 Game of the Year Awards, the Skyrim Special Edition includes the game and add-ons with all-new features like remastered art and effects, volumetric god rays, dynamic depth of field, and more. Also bring the power of mods to consoles. New quests, environments, characters, dialogue, armor, weapons and more – with Mods, there are no limits to what you can experience.

The Elder Scrolls Online (Cloud, Console)
Experience the award-winning story in a persistent Elder Scrolls world. Embark on an adventure that lets you play your way, go anywhere at any level. Battle, craft, steal, siege, explore and more.

The Evil Within (Console, PC, Cloud)
Experience a disturbing reality as you try to break free from warped machinations. With limited resources at your disposal, you’ll fight for survival and experience profound fear in this perfect blend of horror and action. Defeat insurmountable terror and experience the ultimate thrill by discovering The Evil Within.

Fallout 4 (Console, PC, Cloud)
As the sole survivor of Vault 111, you enter a world destroyed by nuclear war. Every second is a fight for survival, and every choice is yours. Only you can rebuild and determine the fate of the Wasteland. Welcome home.

Fallout 76 (Console, PC, Cloud)
Steel Dawn is the first chapter in the new Brotherhood of Steel questline, free for Fallout 76 players. Visit settlements populated with new NPCs and unlock powerful weapons and armor from the Brotherhood arsenal. Join in their mission to rebuild society and aid in securing valuable technology.

Fallout: New Vegas (Console)
Welcome to New Vegas. It’s the kind of town where you dig your own grave prior to being shot in the head… and that’s before things really get ugly. It’s a town of dreamers and desperados being torn apart by warring factions vying for complete control of this desert oasis.

Prey (Console, PC, Cloud)
Good morning, Morgan. Prey joins the Xbox Game Pass library tomorrow, taking you from the comfort of your home to the treacherous depths of space. As Morgan Yu, you’ll have to use your wits, weapons and strange powers to fight the alien threat that has overtaken the Talos I space station. Explore the station, upgrade your skills and abilities, and uncover the secrets of Talos I and the dangers within.

RAGE 2 (Console, PC, Cloud)
Dive headfirst into a dystopian world devoid of society, law, and order. Rage 2 brings together two studio powerhouses – Avalanche Studios, masters of open world insanity, and id Software, creators of the first-person shooter – to deliver a carnival of carnage where you can go anywhere, shoot anything, and explode everything.

Wolfenstein: The New Order (Console, PC, Cloud)
Wolfenstein sends players across Europe on a personal mission to bring down the fascist war machine. With the help of a small group of resistance fighters, infiltrate their most heavily guarded facilities, battle high-tech legions, and take control of super-weapons that have conquered the earth – and beyond.

Wolfenstein: The Old Blood (Console, PC, Cloud)
The year is 1946 and the Nazis are on the brink of winning World War II. In an effort to turn the tide in the allies’ favor, B.J. Blazkowicz must embark on an epic, two-part mission deep within Bavaria…

Wolfenstein: Youngblood (Console, PC, Cloud)
Set 19 years after the events of Wolfenstein II, BJ Blazkowicz’s twin daughters, Jess and Soph Blazkowicz — after years of training from their battle-hardened father — are forced into action. Team up with a friend to level up, explore, and complete missions to unlock abilities that compliment your playstyle.

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  • +10

    Thats a pretty sweet list of games added.

  • +67

    Nice, as someone who regularly buys from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, GamePass continues to be the best value subscription service in the industry.

    • +7

      Yeah, and by a long way

      • +36

        My mates with Xbox: GamePass so amazing so many games
        Me: When did you last play any of them
        My mates: Never, we just scroll through the list and say "how good is this"

        • I'm a bit like that but only because I was late to the party and almost anything I wanted to play I owned. But it's still given me a lot of value in the 6 months I've had it, giving me the chance to play Crackdown 3 (regrettably), Doom Eternal, State of Decay 2, Bleeding Edge and Sea of Thieves.

          But going forward, I wont be bothering to buy EA Games or MS published games.

        • +5

          I feel ATTACKED

        • +2

          me with 3 years subscription

          anyway lets play apex

        • I pretty much only play Game Pass games now. OzB for life!

    • +2

      yes, it isn't even a close call anymore. I would expect that list to bring another large surge of gamers.

    • -15

      You lost me at subscription. Good for those who don't like to own their games though.

      • +26

        At the sacrifice of owning 3 or 4 physical games per year I would much rather have access to over 100 digital games via subscription, ranging in genre and and audience (kids). The Game Pass Ultimate is the best value subscription services out there for gamers. I have both PS5 and Xbox Series X, I own very few physical copies for the Xbox and tend to focus on owning exclusives for PS5.

        • How many games do people play? I'm still on Warzone, have 20+ brand new games sealed still..

          It would be nice, it does sound cheaper too!

        • +1

          Agreed. Growing up I could get two games a year. 1 for my Birthday and 1 for Christmas.

          If I had the option of just having gamepass. It would been amazing.

          I still don't think people really appreciate the accessibility side of things. Some familys cannot afford to buy a lot of games.

      • +24

        Owning games and using a subscription service do not need to be mutually exclusive. Just like buying movies or going to the cinema while also having a Netflix subscription, different means of accessing different content benefits both the industry and consumers.

      • +1

        you don't technically own your games if you purchase digitally either. physical is heading that way with verification checks as well.

        • verification checks? Do you mean like buying a physical game and then having to register it via steam and hence not be able to sell the physical game again later as the code has been used?

          This doesnt seem to happen with Xbox physical games though, although some that contain codes will be less usable I guess. Are there any physical xbox games that become 100% unusable in the case of resale of the physical media?

      • +5

        You can buy games and subscribe to Gamepass.

        • +1

          In some ways, its a good time to buy physical copies of games that are released on gamepass as they become a lot cheaper during that time. Eventually they may be removed from gamepass.

          • +1

            @Gravy: Games on gamepass get massive discounts to purchase to keep, too.

          • +1

            @Gravy: not these ones, they are permanant as they are owned by microsoft.

            • @matt1234: Yeah, have noticed that MS owned games tend to stay on indefinitely. Although will be interesting to see if the Forza series does as some of the the older Forza games get removed from the store and can no longer be purchased digital.

      • +1

        I own 800 titles on my steam account. Have purchased more games than you've had hot meals and I've owned dozens of systems and PC's over my nearly 4 decades long life of living on this planet.

        As fair as value goes, you can't beat the Game Pass. 10 bucks a month (ish) and you have access to 100's of titles (alot of which I already own). Maybe it's not for you, but I always recommend this to people who might not have that much $ or anyone really as you always have this library of games just waiting there for you to install and try.

        Nice sour pussying though ><D

        • -5

          Geez, let them have an opinion ffs.

          Why do game pass ultimate subscribers always lose their mothertruckin mind when someone says something even slightly less than positive about it.

          You love renting your games monthly and losing them when you stop paying your subscription… great.

          Newsflash - not EVERYONE does (and that's ok).

          • -8

            @Arcticfox: Lol there's only one person losing their mind here and it's you kid… Maybe lay off the red bull in the morning.

          • +7

            @Arcticfox: Yet here you are, complaining about people having a different opinion…

            • +4

              @mickeyjuiceman: His post was this:
              "You lost me at subscription. Good for those who don't like to own their games though."

              Yet you seem to think he deserved a comment ending with:
              "…Nice sour pussying though ><D"

              Nice try, thanks for proving a point.

              • -1

                @Arcticfox: Kid gets called out for being a kid.

                Replies with reply that makes him sound like a kid.

                God I love the internet :D

                • @Ruddaga: lol, what the hell are you on about? Your constant need to call me a minor is because what, you think kids are stupid? So you call anyone you think is stupid - a kid?

                  God you're entertaining to watch when provoked about something so massively important such as - a game hire subscription service.

                  • the kid (lol)
                  • +1

                    @Arcticfox: Refer back to my original post and every whinging post you've made since. I casually responded pointing out that even as a gamer who owns hundreds of games, I could see the value in a subscription service. I also commented that perhaps it wasn't for him but it certainly had value to a lot of people that might not be able to afford games. I then made a comment about him being a sour puss because his comment wasn't just him saying "oh i don't like sub services" it was him having a dig at other people for enjoying said game pass (amusingly the point you seem to be ironically defending by saying - let people have their own opinion).

                    Then every post after you lose your collective shit and go off in abusive rants.

                    I'm calling you a kid because you're either extremely young and immature (I wouldn't say dumb because you haven't shown you're dumb…. yet) or you have the mentality of a child. And the only one who seems to be genuinely provoked in this thread is yourself. Maybe go take a deep breath outside and realise that arguing with people on an internet forum isn't the end of the world. Whatever is bothering you so much that makes you so angry and resentful will pass. I wish you nothing but the best in life my good friend.

                    Good luck :)

                    • -1

                      @Ruddaga: Thanks man, I am more than happy to put this particular morning diversion to rest. I have looked over our entire correspondence but am fairly sure that I never 'lost my shit'. The only word that might have conveyed any kind of angst was when I said 'mothertruckin'. I was also unable to see where I abused anyone.. like… at all.

                      Abusive = using rude and offensive words (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abusive)

                      I am glad that we agree that neither of us is dumb, but it is good to see we can identify when we are both arguing over something that could actually be classified as… stupid.

                      Take care buddy.

          • @Arcticfox: What's stopping you from playing the games you want on Game Pass and buying the games you want to keep for cheap when they're on sale? I hardly see how that's a bad thing…

        • +7

          While I get it is great value for most people (esp. ones with children), when you really look at it, it's not really for everyone.

          • How many of us here actually pay RRP for GamePass or GamePass Ultimate? We either use discounted XBox Live Gold vouchers and take the conversion deal. As such, are we evaluating this correctly?
          • Anyway, let's evaluate this as $6/month (since most OZBers would get it for around that - most likely less), that's still $72 for a year (renting games basically).
          • If we really want to do a fair comparison, a comparison needs to be made based on if someone were to use this money to buy games (and then sell them / trade them in and repeat the process), not buy games and keep forever. People with self control to resist GamePass do not translate to people who just waste money on games.

          It feels like quantity vs quality. Hence, Microsoft bought Bethesda. Sure, so many games in GamePass and it makes sense for XBox One|Series X|S owners to get it (I have it). However, do I truly enjoy it right now? Honestly, not exactly. Most games are ones which would land in my pile of shame and I do occasionally find a small number of games which I like. Part of the problem I have is quite a number of games I like are not in GamePass anymore.

          It's like renting videos. Sure, Microsoft can keep on adding old time classics to it (kinda like the movies you could rent for a week dirt cheap), but we do want play new releases… It's been quite some time since we get one of those…

        • I own 800 titles on my steam account.

          Is that solely for a pissing competition? How many have you never touched, or not played in years?

          • -1

            @pharkurnell: It's to counter his point on "enjoy not owning games" to show that I both own games and enjoy the streaming service.

            Oh my backlog is shameful. I think I haven't played over 50% of my titles and the ones I have played some have like 20 minutes played time.

            Pissing contest would be me bragging about my 5900x/3090 system, Xbox Series X, Switch and PS5.

        • lol, he thinks he owns his steam games!

          • @TruthNuke: 16 years of owning them with no issues would suggest that yes I do own them.

            As much as anyone can own anything.

            But super edgy reply there bro ;)

            • -1


              16 years of owning them with no issues would suggest that yes I do own them.

              That's not how it works at all, smoothbrain.

              • @TruthNuke: Well explain to me how I don't own them?

                If I want to play them, I have access to them from any device around the world.

                Almost all of the titles can be played off line and don't require steam to be logged into.

                I can uninstall them and reinstall them at my leisure.

                If anything I would say it's more convenient for me to own them digitally, then to have a physical copy which can break/get lost over time.

                But please, enlighten me to the difference of me owning it digitally vs physically oh edge lord of edginess? :D

                Edit - In fact this is the reason I purchase my Nintendo games for my switch online vs physical (imagine getting on a plane with 60 switch cartridges!) I guess I don't own those either? ><D

                • +2

                  @Ruddaga: Yeah, I'm going to spoonfeed you after you insult me for calling out your stupidity.

                  Maybe next time you're wrong, just accept it instead of carrying on like a muppet.

                  • +1

                    @TruthNuke: I love it when a guy responds like a smart ass.

                    Gets called out on it, then tries to take the high ground ><D

                    Nice one there brother. Maybe pull your head out of your behind next time before you start something you can't finish?

                    Or maybe just be a better person?

                    • +1

                      @Ruddaga: Despite all your sooking and dumbass logic, you still don't own your Steam games champ.

                      • +1

                        @TruthNuke: Ah yes.. deflection and name calling without making any actual logical point or argument.

                        Thanks for the laughs there mate. You made my day. ;)

                        • +2

                          @Ruddaga: It's not an argument. You don't own your Steam games. Period.

                          • @TruthNuke: TruthNuke & Ruddaga, that's enough please, let's leave it there.


                            • @hamza23: Omg you stopped my reply where I actually brought my argument to the table ><D Guess it wouldn't have changed things. Apologies.

                • +1


                  Well explain to me how I don't own them?

                  Well, you can't:

                  • Resell them
                  • Trade them
                  • Share them with friends
                  • Insure them

                  It's the difference between a physical "good" and a digital "service". There's no such thing as a digital good. There is a definition argument to make to say that you have a 'type of ownership', but it is a vastly stripped down and very very poor alternative to ownership of physical goods.

                  When you own a physical game, you own it like you own your TV, furniture, car, fridge, etc. Most of those ownership rights are stripped or non-existent when you buy digital (regardless of form - steam, itch, gog, etc.)

                  • @Odin: Hey Odin.

                    As I was going to say to the lovely gentleman previously, with all video games (physical or digital) you don't own the game, you own the license to play the game. I had a good post that addressed this and some of the points you've brought up, but as it's been deleted (and it was quite large) I can't be bothered replying again.

                    • @Ruddaga: I know that's always bandied about online, but it's not true for the vast majority of countries (including aus).

                      When you buy physical, you quite literally own your copy of the game in it's entirety. You don't have the license to redistribute, but you very much own your copy in absolute. The same as you own my other examples I mentioned: (TV, furniture, car, fridge, etc.). You don't have the ability to copy your cars design and start selling copied Toyotas, but you 100% own your car and can do anything you want to it. You didn't buy a license from toyota, you bought the car.

                      A simple breakdown of it comes back to the US first sale doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

                      • @Odin: If all you own is a licence for the software, that's all you own, irrespective of the delivery mechanism.

                      • @Odin: i own a copy of starcraft physical

                        cant sell it or trade it since the cd key is a one time use

                        your mindset is stuck on console titles that are tradeable

                        wont last very long since sony already introduced the diskless version to normalise it with the masses

                        watch as the PS6 is diskless only

                        • -1

                          @furythree: If the PS6 is disc-less I just won't buy it. Or I'll buy it and hack it.

                          If all you own is a licence for the software, that's all you own, irrespective of the delivery mechanism.

                          Sure, but that's not the case with console games, and never has been.

                          Also, EULA's are legally worthless. It doesn't matter if a EULA says you've only licensed it, it doesn't matter if there's some agreement you need to click yes to before playing. You can't give away your legal rights in such a manner.

                          The only way you give up your legal rights is when you buy digital.

                          • +1

                            @Odin: they can do a software update and lock you out of the disc version too

                            if youre going down the path of hacking your hardware/software, youre essentially dabbling in software piracy. at which point all this grandstanding is moot

                            you never own the games, its just a license to use it. physical vs digital is just a delivery mechanism, with console discs giving the illusion of ownership simply because of resaleability.

                            always has been

                            also lets be real. we all have libraries with 500 games we havent even touched :)

                            • -3


                              they can do a software update and lock you out of the disc version too

                              Sure, but they'd get sued and lose. Regardless, you can just run 1.0 from the disc by deleting the update.

                              you never own the games, its just a license to use it. physical vs digital is just a delivery mechanism, with console discs giving the illusion of ownership simply because of resaleability.

                              always has been

                              Again, this simply isn't true.

                              I know that it's said on reddit and forums endlessly, but it's incorrect. The law makes a clear distinction.

                              Here's a relevant case specifically for Aus: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0d87f9e3-05b8...

                              If you believe that

                              you never own the games, its just a license to use it

                              Then you believe that you don't own your car, your appliances, your TV, your phone, your clothes… actually, I can't think of anything you'd actually own under your definition. You'd just have "licensed" all your belongings.

                              Obviously, that's absurd (both legally and in a common sense way).

                              • +1

                                @Odin: It is indeed absurd. Excellent way to demonstrate that you don't understand licencing, though. It was perfect for that.

                              • @Odin: your lexology case has nothing to do with software licensing

                                please learn what a EULA is that is upheld internationally in civilised countries like australia

        • +1

          "According to the agreement that you agree to every single time you buy a game on Steam, "the Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services." You're not buying the games, you're buying the license to use them."

    • +1

      Agreed. The idea of picking up a cheap Xbox one x and getting a gamepass subscription to access three generations of Xbox games is becoming pretty tempting.

  • Are there still 1 dollar deals for xbox subscription these days?

    • those are for your first month on the subscription

      • +1

        it doesn't work that way for the most part, you can be unsubscribed for a month and it will somehow revert back to the $1 price

        • It can sometimes take a lot longer than a month to be given access to cheap gamepass signups once again, especially the $1 offers.

          • @Gravy: yeah, it's a little inconsistent. all i know is that eventually you'll be able to resubscribe for $1

    • +1

      I bought a 2 year subscription for less than $6.50/month

  • Nearly bought Doom 64 a bunch of times but held off because I knew this couldn't be too far away, got the rest I'm interested in though, but glad for this nonetheless.

  • +3

    Finally going to try Morrowind, sunk 200 hours into Oblivion last year

    • You might be interested in elder scrolls online this year. The year-long story is called Gates of Oblivion

  • +3

    I remember Prey was on there a while back and got removed. It's an awesome game for anyone with Game Pass!

    • +3

      Did you pray for its return?

      • +5

        Dad, that you?

      • -1

        He had been praying for his prey.

  • Great list of games. Only one I wanted was Wolfenstein 2 and it’s not being added yet lol. Oh well.

    • Wolfenstein 2 has already been on GamePass previously; I’m sure it will return at some point.

      • Oh yeh I’m sure it will. Likely saving it so they can add at some point as additional content.

  • +2

    As a very casual and patient gamer, I have bought many of these games in the single figures, mostly under 5 bucks, or got them with games with gold. Obviously not some of the more premium titles like skyrim. Not worth paying a subscription service when I have an enormous backlog of unplayed games

    • +12

      Cool story bro.

    • +1

      Most people have upgraded to Gamepass via the offer to convert from a Live subscriptions and so it makes it worthwhile - even with a backlog of games.

      Different strokes for different folks.

    • I own about 500 games (according to Playnite), never played most of them. Doesn't change the fact I'd rather play Doom Eternal right now having recently finished the 2016 Doom, rather than Full Mojo Rampage (actual game I own, presumably from a humble bundle).

      • +2

        Fair call, there is value in gamepass, I'm not disputing that. Especially if there's certain games you want to play, and you have the time to complete them relatively quickly. The question that I always have is as someone who prefers single player campaigns or couch co-ops/local multiplayers rather than online gaming (I've never really even seen the need for a Gold membership beyond the free titles) do I need to play a certain game or can I play any game? and do the number of certain games outweight the number of games I already have or can buy cheaply. Not sure if anyone else has that dilemma?

        Thanks for the tip with Playnite, I'll have to check that out.

        • Yeah, I endlessly have that dilemma. I keep buying assassins creed games because it scratches a certain itch, but I don't even finish half of them (they become a bit grindy).

          For me I'm mid 30's, no kids, disposable income. So might as well have a stupid number of options and just pick whatever makes me happy in that moment. Gamepass I find good because I can just grab something that looks interesting, even if I only play it for a few hours.

          Playnite is fantastic, but then I hear the GoG launcher is as well (and does a similiar thing). I like Playnite because you can also bring in emulators (which means really I have way more than 500 games to play if I really wanted to).

    • I've bought majority of this and I still keep game pass around once a while. It's a rental service, it's always useful, either as a discovery service or its time to play gears 5 this month service. Sure, gears 5 had been discounted to super cheap, but that needs me paying attention to when Microsoft store discount it.

  • +2

    Looking forward to playing Dishonored - have heard good things

    • +1

      I only just played Dishonored for the first time and loved it, immediately bought the DLC and Dishonored 2 which I hear is even better but haven't got to it yet.

  • Sweet wanted to try Rage 2

  • What's the cheapest "game pass"? weekly/monthly?

    With MS/Xbox/PC once downloaded you can still play offline, even though the game pass expires …right?

    Not like the PSN+ which you will always need to have the ongoing fees?

    Can we join for the min amount of time, download the free games/install then don't renew the game pass? Does that work?

    • +1

      No, you need an active gamepass subscription to play the games even if you've already previously downloaded them.

    • +2

      Works the same as Netflix, spotify and any other subscription service. Stop paying = Lose access

      • Now what happens if you actually purchase the games eg when on "special", will I still need to continue with gamepass subscription to use it offline? eg play campaign mode only?

        • +1

          No, if you’ve purchased something then it’s yours. Being on game pass unlocks discounts and a percentage off

        • 1) you bought the game, you can do whatever.

          2) you can actually play game pass games offline.

  • +1

    Don't get me wrong, I love Games Pass, but the best of these have already been available for some time on GP.

    e.g. Doom Eternal (which is amazing - really brings back the original Doom memories), Skyrim, Rage 2, Wolfenstein Young Blood - all previously available

    Best NEW additions are the Dishonoured series, Fallout series and Prey

  • Don't have an Xbox, don't have gamepass, don't care for most of these games.


    Fallout New Vegas? Can I upvote more than once?

  • +1

    These don’t seem to be available yet - is it US time?

  • +1

    Good news for Xbox but for me personally, there's nothing in this list that excites me as I have either played it already or not interested in the rest.

  • +1

    I'm a PlayStation guy but this is great value.

  • Quick question to the community. Does this deal now mean that for you, Gamepass is a better value proposition than PlayStation+?

    By 'value', I do not mean 'access to how many games you get vs. Dollar cost'. But rather your own subjective evaluation of what both services offer.

    For me (a PlayStation guy through and through), PS+ still offers a higher quality menu—especially since I've had it for at least 3-4 years—with more games offered on there that I actually want to, and end up playing.

    • +2

      They're completely different services. And Microsoft has XBL Gold included in Ultimate, although the games offered on there have been lacklustre of late. If you were a Gold subscriber for 3-4 years you'd have an equally as large library as a PS+ subscriber. In terms of games offered per month, sure FF7Remake is pretty awesome, as was Control Ultimate Edition last month, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the sheer amount of games offered on Game Pass every month. Game Pass Ultimate blows away PS+ and PS Now in both quality and value.

      • +1

        Well PSNow isn't available for us, so I don't count it as part of the conversation. As far as Games with Gold is concerned, I'm pretty sure the consensus has been that it has been trash since Xbox focused on GamesPass, so again, not really a factor to weigh in for me. Gamespass on the other hand has a great selection of games, I wonder which ones stand out the most to the community.

        For me, as a person who hasn't enjoyed most Bethesda games (Dishonored being the exception), the recent Zenimax acquisition leaves me happy for others. Does little for me though.

    • This deal, specifically? No. It hasn't tipped the scale. The only games I'm interested in on the list are Dishonoured 2, Skyrim, and Fallout 4. I already own the first, the last is available free as part of the PS+ collection, and frankly, I can wait until Skyrim drops to $10.

      That said, if I owned an XBox, and had cleared out most of my backlog, then I would likely have subscribed to Gamepass already. It is excellent value.

      Though thanks to years of PS+ subscription, my backlog is rather large. Not that I want to play every game I've added from there, but the ones I do will keep me occupied for many years.

      Which is one of the down sides to Gamepass. Games get removed. The games I've accumulated as part of PS+ stay with me as long as I keep the subscription active, and are reactivated if I reactivate the subscription. Basically, the longer I have PS+, the more valuable it becomes. Long term, it seems the better value.

      • I actually didn't know games got removed from Gamespass, that's an interesting aspect to the conversation. Like you, my PS+ backlog appears to be a better value to me than what I've seen of the gamespass library. That being said, if a brand new gamer was coming into the fold, I'd have to recommend Gamespass over PS+ because they would just have more of the hits to play.

        • Yep, agreed. More hits to play, and a better chance of having games available that suit the player. There's no arguing that Gamepass is phenomenal value for a new player.

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