Any Banks That Aren't Completely Woke?

SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 15:26
Last edited 23/04/2021 - 15:28

Seems like every Aussie bank has gone hardcore over the last decade with social justice/political bragging. It's becoming tiresome seeing them pretend to care about every vocal cause that gets pushed by the vocal media or Twitter mob.

CBA and ANZ seem to be the worst offenders. Do any of the big 4 banks NOT do this? Or is there a smaller bank worth giving my money to so I can expect they'll use it for meaningful shit instead of "we are funding this year's short-short's parade in Sydney!" or "fossil fuel bad".

Open to any suggestions from the enlightened crowd at Ozb.

EDIT - just to clarify, I know many people who work at various banks, and the cultural expectations they push onto their employees are equally disturbing. For their sake I don't want to support such organisations.

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Comments

  • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 15:31
    +10

    Many corporations (it’s not a bank thing) has a desire to look woke, it’s all PR.

    Oh wait… checked twice on the poster… my bad for not checking… nevermind.

  • spackbace on 23/04/2021 - 15:34
    +41

    Hopefully the banks don't hire too many women huh…

    Could you be any more conservative?

    • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 15:35
      +2

      PotKettle scenario it would appear.

      Could be what Surfer Dude was alluding to in the most recent post.

      • Surfer Dude on 26/04/2021 - 00:26

        @SF3 Thanks for the shout out ;)

      • spackbace on 23/04/2021 - 15:45
        +12

        There ya go, this year

        Seems like gender is a big point for you.

        So if course I'm not surprised you'd post a thread like this.

          • spackbace on 23/04/2021 - 21:28
            +4

            @SlavOz: I love how much you throw around the term woke…

            Though really anyone with a post-1960s attitude is probably more 'woke' than you

            • SlavOz on 24/04/2021 - 08:14
              -6

              @spackbace: Sure. Perhaps some people that I call woke aren't completely 100% delusionally woke, but the point is that you clearly are.

              You're literally unsettled at someone saying their experience with HR is positive because the field is dominated by women. I'm guessing it's because of some fairytale notion that assuming women are mostly nice people is bigoted and it would be more inclusive of me to assume that most women are toxic b***** instead.

              Or, you probably don't like the fact that I pointed out a career trend among women because it risks challenging the notion that women don't make similar choices which usually explains the difference in pay, thus dismantling your narrative about systemic sexism under "THE PATRIARCHY!"

              Whatever it is, I don't care to know. It's clear that you're too woke for your own good. Sit a little further from the TV and stop injecting The Guardian into your veins.
              It's not healthy.

      • Caped Baldy on 23/04/2021 - 16:39
        +4

        Years ago being February 2020…

        I didn't know covid had the same effect as the hyperbolic time chamber.

      • CrowReally on 23/04/2021 - 16:58
        +9

        "not sure why contrary opinions you don't agree with are still living in your head rent-free"

        Imagine saying this as a defence to making a "I think banks are too woke :/" post.

  • Baysew on 23/04/2021 - 15:35
    +11

    Maybe HSBC is the bad boy bank you crave?

  • resisting the urge on 23/04/2021 - 15:50
    +1

    Where's your compassion? It's hard operating inside a cartel.

    A major bank finds it near impossible to compete on
    - price
    - product
    - service

    At least, not without upsetting the whole apple-cart.

    So instead they have to increase revenue and profit by working with influenced representatives, industry organisations and other cartel-members to water-down and re-write regulations to tilt the playing field- as well as raise barriers to entry. Anything that increases market volume and dominance over non-member competitors.

    And do their best to exploit every issue, as they emerge, with a seemingly non-nonsensical and ill-targeted, but immense PR and marketing budget. Anything to smokescreen the rest of the group's activities with extravagant, yet meaningless pfaff.

  • Drakesy on 23/04/2021 - 15:50
    +5

    TLDR
    OP wants the least progressive, most conservative bank which puts profits ahead of people.
    fwiw the banks are going in this direction because of potential court action if they act negligently towards their staff/investors.
    I guess HSBC is immune as it isn't based in Australia. Else if you want a smaller bank there's always Bendigo/Ubank, but even then again you're not really making much of an impact.

    Not sure what the benefit is though? Not like you'll reap any rewards.

      • Drakesy on 23/04/2021 - 15:59
        +10

        Firstly 10/10 troll

        Banks aren't charities. They all put profits ahead of people, and frankly that's what I want them to do. Their profit means a healthier economy and more financial security for the customers who invest their money there.

        How do profitable banks mean a healthier economy. Banks are literally funding the real estate boom because it's in their self interest, knowing that the government will bail them out if they over do it. If you allow banks to put profits ahead of people you end up in the GFC because at the end of the day they're there to make money, inevitably they get greedy and it all falls apart.

        Not aware that banks can be fined for refusing to support woke left-wing cultural trends, even though our government is pretty woke themselves.

        It's happened to a big super fund last year, nothing stopping if from happening to a bank
        Here

        Don't know about you but that's a pretty big precedent

          • Drakesy on 23/04/2021 - 16:56
            +4

            @SlavOz: Might want to read up on the Icelandic bank crisis Here

            Prime example of when you let banks get too big for their boots and the egos take over. When you put profits before people.

    • nephilim on 23/04/2021 - 16:30
      +1

      HSBC Office in Adelaide was like 90% Chinese, with random 50-60 year white males and females.
      Diverse as a brick

      Could always join bank of China, they have branches in all of the cities.

      • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 17:15
        +6

        You do realise HSBC stands for Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited.

        • ozbjunkie on 24/04/2021 - 09:39
          -1

          Eh no sir I don't think he knew that. He will stay quiet for a little while now.

      • tooblue on 29/04/2021 - 11:00

        I am wondering how many non-whites are in our Cabinet of Australia.

    • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 15:23
      +3

      "OP wants the least progressive, most conservative bank which puts profits ahead of people"

      HMMM … so sending electricity prices skyrocketing, and creating an energy poverty underclass unable to keep warm in winter [yes, winter is colder than ever despite global warming fraud], with woke climate change fraud is putting people ahead of profits???

      PUHHHLEEEZE ….

      History is "littered with examples" of people doing the vilest things, not because they want to be bad or evil, but because they believe they are more virtuous and what they are doing is for the good of all humanity, says Sky News host Rowan Dean. "Funnily enough, graffiti artist Banksy put it best when he said there is nothing more dangerous than someone who wants to make the world a better place," he said. "Teachers are now teaching kids there is something noble about violence… let's not forget, it was the Extinction Rebellion protests… in London, where a man died because the traffic jam caused by Extinction Rebellion meant his ambulance didn't get him to hospital in time. "The head of that protest, a woman, said that death was absolutely, perfectly excusable because what they were doing was in the greater good of saving the planet from climate change… when specifically asked whether she would do it again, she said yes."
      https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/history-litte…

      “Greens often note that the changing global climate will have the greatest impact on the world's poor; they neglect to mention that the poor also have the most to gain from development fuelled by cheap fossil fuels like coal. For the poor, the climate is already dangerous… It is their poverty, not rising carbon-dioxide levels, that make them more vulnerable than the rest of us.” Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, The Green Bubble

      What’s More Dangerous? “yet-to-be-realized-but-coming-soon-trust-us” global warming or The Catastrophic Cost Of Attempts to “stop it?”

      • Drakesy on 24/04/2021 - 15:55

        Someone sounds like they're drinking the coal and gas lobbyist cool-aid.
        Yes, solar and wind aren't perfect but them actually making energy prices go up? That couldn't be further from the truth.

        Why do you think bhp and fmg are pivoting in getting their energy supply to solar for their refineries? Its because its cheaper and doesn't rely on a whole supply chain of overheads.

        • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 16:14
          -1

          "solar and wind aren't perfect but them actually making energy prices go up? That couldn't be further from the truth."

          ROTFLMAO

          Cheap coal energy has been made expensive so that expensive wind/solar energy seems cheap by comparison!

          “Renewable Energy”: If anyone besides govt was involved in such a SCAM, it would be called ORGANISED CRIME!
          “sustainable energy” is a euphemism for costly, inefficient, intermittent, unreliable renewable energy—such as solar or wind: a heavily subsidized, first-world luxury which no developing country could possibly afford because it makes no economic sense.

          MISANTHROPIC GREENIES: Germany’s Energy Poverty a “Silent Catastrophe” … 330,000 Households See Power Turned Off In One Year!
          The DPA German press agency reported yesterday on the rapidly spreading energy poverty now engulfing the country.
          The main driver is Germany’s skyrocketing electricity prices – primarily due to the legally mandatory feeding-in of wind and solar power.
          Currently regular household consumers are paying nearly 30 cents a kilowatt-hour – almost three times the rate paid in the USA.
          Back to the 19th century
          Many households are no longer able to afford electricity and are seeing themselves catapulted back to the 19th century. According to t-online.de here, “More than 330,000 households in Germany have seen their electricity cut off over the past year alone.”
          The German site writes that those hit the hardest are households on welfare, i.e. society’s poorest and most vulnerable.
          According to Bulling-Schröter: “Energy poverty in Germany is a silent catastrophe for millions of people, especially in the cold and dark winter months.”
          T-online.de calls letting hundreds of thousands of “children, the elderly, and the sick” go without power while the country posts record electricity exports an “injustice” and that the German government “does not want to see the energy poverty” that is rampant throughout the country.
          http://notrickszone.com/2017/03/03/germanys-silent-catastrop…

          STUDY: No access to Fossil Fuels causes millions of Premature Deaths Amongst Poorest
          http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/lack-of-access-…

          If Solar And Wind Are So Cheap, Why Are They Making Electricity So Expensive?
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/04/23…

        • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 18:56
          -1

          " Its because its cheaper and doesn't rely on a whole supply chain of overheads."

          If this were true, then everybody would be falling over themselves to use renewables and dump fossil fuels.

          Too bad it's a lie eh?

          • Drakesy on 24/04/2021 - 19:39
            +1

            @Gekov: They kind of are though?

            • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 20:54
              -1

              @Drakesy: "They kind of are though?"

              HUH?

              China’s “commitment” to cut emissions boils down to nearly doubling emissions by 2020!
              http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/24/chinas-emission-cuts-n…

              Africa Would Rather Be Rich Than green
              “climate action” DEAD LAST IN AFRICAN POLLS AS WELL
              http://joannenova.com.au/2015/04/matt-ridley-africa-needs-to…
              2015/04/matt-ridley-africa-needs-to-be-rich-rather-than-green/

              India: No cuts to emissions. As Abbott says, coal is indeed a blessing to India’s poor http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/asia/25climate.html?…

              Pakistan awakes to climate change fraud. “not a priority” for new govt http://tribune.com.pk/story/574312/in-disarray-climate-chang…

              • petry on 26/04/2021 - 00:53

                @Gekov: 'In a boon for mitigating climate change, researchers have found that the genetics of a cow strongly influence the composition of their gut and how much methane they produce.

                The international team of scientists studied microorganisms in the cow’s rumen, the first stomach in its digestive system.
“Previously we knew it was possible to reduce methane emissions by changing the diet,” says Professor John Williams, from the Davies Research Centre at the University of Adelaide.
“What we showed is that the level and type of methane-producing microbes in the cow is to a large extent controlled by the cow’s genetic makeup,” Prof Williams said.'

                logically then if we could stop foxtel/ murdoch staff and viewers reproducing completely, we could massively reduce all sorts of totally unnecessary and useless toxic emissions.

                • Gekov on 26/04/2021 - 10:36
                  -1

                  @petry: "a boon for mitigating climate change"

                  Only the delusional think they can stop the climate from changing, which it has been doing since the earth was formed.

                  PARADISE LOST …
                  We’re never going to see the halcyon days of the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous; when many modern creatures were evolving, temperate zones extended almost to the poles and the tropics cut a wide swathe around the globe! It is befuddling that a supposedly intelligent warmth-loving species like homo sapiens would actively seek out ice age conditions as some kind of benchmark for survival.

                • Gekov on 26/04/2021 - 10:42

                  @petry: Acid Rain, Peak Oil, The Ozone Hole, Global Warming, Nuclear Winter, Climate Change, Climate Crisis, Climate Emergency etc.

                  George Orwell got it right!

                  • petry on 26/04/2021 - 12:43
                    -1

                    @Gekov: its 2021 not 1984

                    • Gekov on 26/04/2021 - 14:01
                      +1

                      @petry: "its 2021 not 1984" …

                      Still 1984 in climate "science"!

                      “The Past Was Erased, The Erasure Was Forgotten, The Lie Became The Truth” Orwell, 1984

                      “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, … every statue & street building has been renamed, every date has been altered' Orwell

                      “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” George Orwell, 1984

                    • Gekov on 26/04/2021 - 14:08
                      +1

                      @petry: Winston Churchill foresaw the climatechangSCAM …

                      "…the whole world, including the US, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
                      Sir Winston Churchill

  • DingoBilly on 23/04/2021 - 15:52

    I don't understand.

    You don't like that banks are being more socially conscious and looking out for people's future?

    You prefer more corrupt banks/ones that will screw you over whenever they can (Most banks will try to, but if they care about social image then they'll also care about not screwing their customers over as much)?

    Do you really think they'll spend their money on anything meaningful? Also, just confused in what sense is social causes not meaningful?? It'll just go into the CEO's pockets…

    Your post is just completely illogical.

    • SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 15:57

      You don't like that banks are being more socially conscious and looking out for people's future?

      I would love banks to be more socially conscious by recognising that there are parts of society that don't want to be drowned by one-sided wokeness.

      Society is a big diverse place, but it seems the banks are not interested in any views that are not aligned to left-wing culture. So they're not really interested in diversity at all.

      You prefer more corrupt banks/ones that will screw you over whenever they can

      No, I prefer banks that don't try to meddle with politics or use their PR/sponsorship budgets for worthy causes like Australian jobs initiatives, kid's health etc.

      • DingoBilly on 23/04/2021 - 17:30

        Could you give some examples of right-wing culture that are socially conscious?

        Genuinely curious, it's somewhat antithetical to right-wing culture to be socially conscious.

        • SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 18:54
          +3

          Right wing looks out for right wingers just like left-wing looks out for left-wingers. Both groups are part of society.

          It's hard to point to right-wing talking points in Australia because we lack a genuinely right-wing major party.

          But, globally speaking, right-wing is all about minimising government intervention, lowering taxes, upholding traditional values, and protecting individualism.

          In the last decade, the right has been the only side fighting against speech proposed restrictions or the dismantlement of male-female recognition in society.

          Suffice to say, all of the above are socially conscious positions, albeit to a group of people you perhaps don't want to be accommodated for.

          • Deridas on 24/04/2021 - 14:27
            +1

            @SlavOz: Well said.

          • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 16:28

            @SlavOz: "Could you give some examples of right-wing culture that are socially conscious?"

            Conservatives are not only more socially conscious, but they're smarter!

            Conservatives did not predict permanent drought just before massive rainfalls and flooding.
            Conservatives did not predict less snow and warmer winters just before massive snowfalls and bitterly cold winters.
            Only woke Warmunists did!

            You're not aware of this social consciousness coz conservatives tend not to brag about being "virtuous"

            ALSO:
            Tolerance is a CONSERVATIVE VALUE … Lefties on the other hand … well we know how intolerant they are to diverse opinions … besides conservatives are better looking!

        • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 16:21

          "Could you give some examples of right-wing culture that are socially conscious?"

          Numerous examples of misanthropic woke culture …

          “The suffering of a crippled ant deserves equal consideration to that of a crippled human child. If we could only save one, he says, we should decide by the flip a coin or else we would be "speciests". Peter Singer, ‘bioethicist’ Princeton University

          “Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.” John Davis, Editor Earth First Journal

          The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans.”
          Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

          “Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.”
          Dave Forman, Founder, Earth First

          “So what? People are the main cause of our problems. We have too many of them. We need to get rid of some of them…” Charles Wurster, after it was pointed out to him by a reporter that the widespread usage of the pesticide DDT saved lives.

          “If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer
          virus to lower human population levels.”
          Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

          “Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets. Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.”
          David Graber, Biologist, National Park Service

          “If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS”
          Earth First Newsletter

          “We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity's sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.”
          David Foreman, Earth First

          “I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
          John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

          “The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
          Christopher Manes, Earth First!

    • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 21:13

      "corrupt banks/ones that will screw you over whenever they can"

      Just curious … how does a bank "screw you over" … ?

      I'm not aware of how they can, unless you are financially illiterate.

      Is that what they rely on?

      • petry on 24/04/2021 - 23:30
        +1

        they rely on the fact that no-one stops them doing anything.

        fact - coalition overruled royal commission.

  • Muzeeb on 23/04/2021 - 15:54
    +6

    Excuse my ignorance but what does 'woke' mean in the OPs context?

    I'm guessing nothing to do with over revving Mustangs.

    • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 16:58

      Did you say automatic transmission, I missed that, wasn’t awake.

    • pegaxs on 23/04/2021 - 17:08
      +17

      It means he don’t want none of them womenz working at his financial institution. And instead of offerin’ free monies, they should be enticing the men folk with beard transplants and reputable tattooing…

      Banks just need to concerns themselves with lobbying the governments to the raising of speed limits in road works areas and to taking out of giveaway signs at them rounds-abouts.

      • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 17:43
        +4

        Great job on the true TLDR 👍

      • SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 22:28
        +2

        You forgot the Nazi Hitler white Trump incel male privilege Christian bigot card.

        All up your insult only contained around 2 of 3 buzzwords at the most. Poor effort.

        • pegaxs on 24/04/2021 - 00:01
          +3

          If you think I was going for “buzz words”, my post went way over you head… :D

          • spackbace on 24/04/2021 - 00:53
            +1

            @pegaxs: He loses track of his trolling

          • SlavOz on 24/04/2021 - 08:01

            @pegaxs: Nah I got it pretty clearly. You followed the child's guide to political discussion to a T

            https://images.app.goo.gl/ecUoBLRTbKJk6cL59

            • pegaxs on 24/04/2021 - 11:52

              @SlavOz: Strawman much? I mentioned nothing about Hitler or political discussion.

              And yet, still my post appears to be going waaaay over your head.

              Found this and it made me think of you… ♥️

              • SlavOz on 24/04/2021 - 14:50
                -2

                @pegaxs: Talk about going way over your head - you missed the entire point of the meme. It's a parody of everytime an argument takes place, the progressives engage in the tactic of attacking the person instead of actually addressing the facts or talking points.

                In this case, instead of offering any constructive dialogue, you've accused me of being a deep-rooted sexist. What's worse is that your only evidence of this is a post I made saying I didn't feel comfortable in a female-dominated environment. I'm curious, do you call feminists sexist pigs every time they say anything bad about men?

                • pegaxs on 24/04/2021 - 19:02
                  +4

                  @SlavOz: Your meme was irrelevant. It's not that it went over my head. I do know what it was relating to, it just doesn't relate to what I was saying. I didn't at any stage devolve this into a "reductio ad Hitlerum" conversation. You added that. (ie: Strawman)

                  you've accused me of being a deep-rooted sexist.

                  You had a whole post and thread pointing this out. I didn't need to accuse you of anything.

                  "If one person thinks you're a sexist, meh, that's their opinion… If everyone thinks you're a sexist, then just maybe…"

                  do you call feminists sexist pigs every time they say anything bad about men?

                  Absolutely. If you read any of my posts about working in female dominated industries (ie: schools) you will see that I am regularly the brunt of misandry and I regularly call it out. Arseholes are arseholes, no matter their genitalia. I would happily call out anyone of any race, sex, religious belief, sexual orientation, etc. for being an arsehole if they are being one, regardless of what side they sit on. But there is a difference between "calling it out", and "acting as bad as them in return."

                  The problem here is that very few people take you seriously. Your posts and comments are nothing more than memes at this point. You post some really weird things and then get all offended when everyone doesn't jump on your bandwagon. You are combative and ill-informed. You obviously read a lot of echo-chamber, conformation bias material and it shows.

                  But don't change, ok. The world needs people like you in it for the checks and balances. We need the left wing nut jobs to keep pace with the right wing wack jobs, so us people in the middle can just go about our life in relative harmony while everyone else basically just cancels each other out.

  • [Deactivated] on 23/04/2021 - 16:04
    +4

    Any Banks That Aren't Completely Woke?

    How about just 99.9% woke? Will that be any better for your $?

  • GG57 on 23/04/2021 - 16:30
    +1

    Maybe the banks, insurance companies, and (some) governments actually have it right, and a minority of people are still living in the ultra conservative, ignorant, past?

    • ozhunter on 23/04/2021 - 20:02

      Maybe the banks, insurance companies, and (some) governments actually have it right

      Is there a way to know for sure?

    • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 18:48
      +1

      "a minority of people are still living in the ultra conservative, ignorant, past?"

      CORRECTION:

      It's the woke mob which is a VOCAL MINORITY - it's their aggressive loudness which makes them like like a majority.

      Congratulations Australia! You've achieved a commendable 3rd in the 'climate denier' stakes http://joannenova.com.au/2020/06/congrats-us-sweden-australi…

      Australia: More skeptics than believers, & few really care about the climatechange scam http://joannenova.com.au/2014/02/australia-more-skeptics-tha…

      • petry on 26/04/2021 - 01:13
        -2

        a staged thread to endlessly repeat murdoch diversionary right wing garbage, like every weekend on ozbargain.

        how much do these things get paid one wonders…

  • Luo18740 on 23/04/2021 - 16:31
    +3

    Just donate your spare money here and you won't have to worry about which bank to use.

    https://www.acl.org.au/

    • Gnosh on 24/04/2021 - 10:46
      +1

      100% he already does.

  • follow on 23/04/2021 - 16:32
    +1

    does how they use the money matter, if you're getting the most bang out of it?

  • Cheaplikethebird on 23/04/2021 - 16:43
    +4

    Effects you in absolutely no way but to get on your nerves. So you would prefer a bank that ignores their market research and avoids the most effective ad spend so as not to upset you? Sounds a bit precious to me.

    Could you also stop grouping everything together as woke culture and debate your ideas properly? Woke culture can refer to many (often opposing) movements.

    BTW good luck finding any major company that doesn't have any sort of 'woke culture' going on.

  • petry on 23/04/2021 - 16:43
    +5

    woke is used by murdoch's group as a useful tool. maybe complain about something that murdoch doesn't promote?

  • coray8 on 23/04/2021 - 16:49
    +14

    Alternatively you could stop being such a snowflake.

    • SF3 on 23/04/2021 - 16:59
      +2

      Let it go…

  • Orico on 23/04/2021 - 17:11
    +10

    Australian Banks are by far the most racist and biased places I've ever worked at. White men generally get thrust into management positions and women are treated like dirt if they're ugly or like queens if they're pretty. The social justice handholding and slogans are just words on a website or ad, they don't actually practice what they support. You should feel right at home at the ANZ and CBA. They generally have the most vindictive and psychotic individuals followed closely by Macquarie Bank.

    • petry on 23/04/2021 - 17:19

      I'm quessing you haven't worked for the NAB?

      • Orico on 23/04/2021 - 17:21

        A close mate worked at a branch but it was generally a supportive workplace. No idea about corporate.

        • petry on 23/04/2021 - 17:25

          My experience is the NAB are by far the worst, with ANZ second. No experience of Macquarie Bank

      • Orico on 23/04/2021 - 17:48

        I shouldn't be so harsh on ANZ. I just don't like one their HR managers in Sydney.

    • aimon on 24/04/2021 - 11:37
      +1

      I have several female family members working in various parts of the banks you mention and they all report the same thing. They have called them MEWs (Mediocre Entitled Whiteguy).

      • SlavOz on 24/04/2021 - 14:53

        That's funny. I have several friends who work at various different levels of Commbank and ANZ and they all tell me the opposite. Every week there's a new company-wide email about micro aggressions, woke gesturing, etc, and there is a disproportionate number of gay employees in management positions.

        • Cheaplikethebird on 26/04/2021 - 14:58

          Every company I have experience with has a disproportionate number of gay and female employees in middle management positions. Is this a conspiracy against straight males or is it because university graduates have skewed female for the last ~15 years and we have a generation of males who spent the last decade playing video games and so have f**k all social skills or self-awareness.

          • SlavOz on 26/04/2021 - 18:30
            +3

            @Cheaplikethebird: lol I love how when women or other groups face unequal outcomes, the whole world needs to stop and address the outrage and fix it.

            But when it's men, the usual response is "ah well tough luck, should've done better chap"

            • Cheaplikethebird on 26/04/2021 - 18:38

              @SlavOz: It's not like for like though, women and minorities had real barriers that prevented them from pursuing careers whereas western males just got lazy and were coddled too much growing up.

              You're barking up the wrong tree anyway. Race, gender, sexuality mean nothing any more it's all about class.

              • SlavOz on 26/04/2021 - 19:27
                +2

                @Cheaplikethebird:

                It's not like for like though, women and minorities had real barriers that prevented them from pursuing careers whereas western males just got lazy and were coddled too much growing up

                Girls do far better than boys at school largely because the education system is far more tailored to female learning.

                Most school drop outs are boys.

                Most homeless people are men.

                Men historically had to meet much higher strength requirements to enroll in the police force or military until it was lowered for women.

                Over 90% of prisoners are male and are often sentenced much harsher than women are for the same crimes.

                Most people who die at work are men - up to 94% more likely than women to die on the job.

                Which of these do you feel is not a barrier?

                • Cheaplikethebird on 26/04/2021 - 20:01

                  @SlavOz: 58% of homeless in Australia are men, that's not a huge majority and school dropouts/prisoners make up like 0.01% of the population, that's not the reason your buddy hasn't progressed further than the call centre. Strength requirements and dying on the job? Bahaha your mates work at a bank 😂

                  You've pointed to all these instances where men have a harder time than women but at least from my personal experience all the men who roughed it and had a hard time in their teen years, if they didn't end up dead/in prison, became successful. All the losers I know working dead-end jobs and blaming others for their mediocrity came from comfortable upbringings.

                  • SlavOz on 26/04/2021 - 20:24
                    -1

                    @Cheaplikethebird:

                    58% of homeless in Australia are men, that's not a huge majority

                    The gender pay gap is only like 73 cents. That's not much aye!

                    You've pointed to all these instances where men have a harder time than women but at least from my personal experience all the men who roughed it and had a hard time in their teen years, if they didn't end
                    up dead/in prison, became successful.

                    And in my personal experience all the women who faced alleged syemtic barriers because successful too.

                    • Cheaplikethebird on 26/04/2021 - 20:33

                      @SlavOz:

                      The gender pay gap is only like 73 cents. That's not much aye!

                      Irrelevant to the point we were arguing.

                      And in my personal experience all the women who faced alleged syemtic barriers because successful too.

                      Yes they did! And that's why you're having a moan now :)

                      • SlavOz on 26/04/2021 - 23:03

                        @Cheaplikethebird:

                        Irrelevant to the point we were arguing

                        I think it's quite relevant. You dismissed countless areas where men are worse off because "they are only worse off by a small amount".

                        I'm showing you how futile that reasoning is by applying it the other way around. The gender pay gap is a few measly cents per dollar at the absolute most (disregarding that it's already been proven to be a result of individual choices and hours worked).

                        Yes they did! And that's why you're having a moan now :)

                        You're not the first person in this thread to lay some sort of claim of misogyny or bigotry against me, yet I'm pretty sure you'll be like the others and refuse to give a specific example to back up your claim.

                        • Cheaplikethebird on 27/04/2021 - 00:03
                          +1

                          @SlavOz: My point wasn't that they are only worse off by a small amount, it's that the areas you've mentioned only represent a small percentage of the population (and so doesn't explain the overrepresentation of women and gay males in mgmt roles) or are probably irrelevant to the types of settings we're discussing - e.g. the guys working dangerous jobs on oil rigs getting hazard pay probably aren't whinging about female office managers like your buddy at the bank.

                          You're not the first person in this thread to lay some sort of claim of misogyny or bigotry against me, yet I'm pretty sure you'll be like the others and refuse to give a specific example to back up your claim.

                          Uh what? Think you missed my point. Women have had to fight for their place in the corporate world and because of that we are seeing a lot of strong women in the workplace. Hardship breeds success, comfort breeds mediocrity.

                        • kerfuffle on 27/04/2021 - 07:03

                          @SlavOz: Claims of misogyny? Can’t blame them.

                          Do you listen to Alan Jones, SlavOz?

  • CrowReally on 23/04/2021 - 17:15
    +4

    We all know SlavOz is a troll poster, but in the interests of "enlightened discussion", here's a few reasons why it's a good financial decision for a financial institution to sponsor the Mardi Gras parade

    1. It appeals directly to the LGBT community, which makes up ~3-5%(? Probably more) of society - why wouldn't you want their patronage?
    2. LGBT adults are usually better savers (they're less likely to have children, so no school fees and so on) - UK banks specifically targeted them in the mid 90's for this reason (Google "pink pound" if you want further reading).
    3. Australia is predominantly pro-equality and recognition of LGBT rights (same sex vote, etc) - so you're supporting something the majority support anyway - so even as a promotional event it's a win
    • CrowReally on 23/04/2021 - 19:29
      +2

      SlavOz actually mentioned two issues in his first post (Mardi Gras and global warming), so I suppose we might as well (briefly) cover the other one as well - should a bank have a policy to address global warming?

      According to the APRA's press release yesterday, yes: https://www.apra.gov.au/news-and-publications/apra-releases-…

      Damn these woke regulators, is no one safe from the poisonous snowflake thinking of the left?

      • Gekov on 24/04/2021 - 21:21

        "should a bank have a policy to address global warming?"

        NO!

        Banks have no business meddling in religious cults.

        In The Beginning was The Claim,
        On the Second Day followed The Hysteria,
        On the Third Day, dissenters were Shouted Down,
        By the Fourth Day, the evil was known as 'Carbon Dioxide',
        On the Fifth Day, the pollies forced the people to trade the evil,
        By the Sixth Day (it was freezing) no-one remembered The Claim,
        And on the Seventh Day, Al Gore counted his Carbon Trading Commissions
        and Blessed the Earth (and all the fools on it)

        How to convert me to your new religion in 14 easy steps
        http://joannenova.com.au/2014/04/how-to-convert-me-to-your-n…

        • SlavOz on 26/04/2021 - 18:41
          +1

          lol thanks for the article. Best read I've bad in a while.

          Global warming doomsdayers really are a cult of their own.

    • SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 20:44
      -8

      First off, you shouldn't conflate LGBT/Mardi Gras with the entire homosexual population. That comes off kind of condescending that you think every gay person would support the LGBT movement when in fact they don't. LGBT is a pro left-wing gay movement which expects gay followers to abide by left-wing views. Ask them how they treat more traditional or conservative gay people and the whole culture of inclusiveness and diversity quickly takes a hit…eg Douglas Murray, Dave Ruben, Milo Yianopolus, Peter Thiel etc.

      Also, people who voted for same-sex marriage may also not approve of the culture of promiscuity and and sexual deviancy promoted by the LGBT movement.

      Secondly, if you want to make a financial case, you could also say that the majority of Australia is Christian, and even the niche cohort of fundamentalist Christians would be much larger than the 3% of the population represented by the gay community.

      SlavOz on 23/04/2021 - 20:44 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
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