Help Car Head Unit Recommendations

Greetings fellow tight arses peeps!

Thank you to all that helped me in my previous post on buying my first car, a Toyota Corolla 2013 sedan with only 70k on the clock for $12,000!

As the advice I got in my previous car post was so helpful I’m back again!

My car only has a basic CD player, and I want to bring it up to date by installing a 2 DIN LCD head unit. The problem is I'm not sure if my car will support all the features that I want from a head unit, and I have no idea where to start searching for a head unit.
Also, if someone could recommend me some forums, car forums (Whirlpool?) to maybe post these questions there that would be great!

Some of the features I want are:

  • 2 DIN
  • Reversing camera with guidance lines that appear according to how the steering wheel is operated.
  • Wireless Android Auto
  • HD screen resolution
  • Capacitive touchscreen (Can't believe there are actually head units with resistive touchscreens)
  • GPS navigation
  • Bluetooth

Optional extras that would be nice:

  • Front camera for parking
  • Wi-fi
  • 4g Sim card

I can see there are many 2 DIM head units that meet my requirements on AliExpress for about $200-300, is this a bad idea buying a head unit from AliExpress?
I've bought so much shit from AliExpress, including electronics, so I know there’s good stuff to be had at a bargain price, but I also know there's a lot of shit on AliExpress too.

Pity I missed out on this deal. There's still this deal From harsh27. However there seem to be some people who've had a bad experience with this particular Sony head unit and Sony support seems to be pretty bad.

Any and all comments are welcome 😊

Comments

  • -1

    Reversing camera with guidance lines that appear according to how the steering wheel is operated

    Now let me think about it.

    Are you currently sh!t at reverse driving?

    • Lol I'm just learning to drive, only on my Ls, so yeah pretty bad at reversing.

      • +14

        Then practice without the camera and driver aids.

        You only need them if you can't reverse park.

        The camera is good for a quick check of the blind spot directly behind the car but don't get into the habit of reversing using a camera. Leave that for all the other Muppets .

        • +4

          Good advice.

        • +2

          I plan on becoming fully competent without using a reversing camera, however while I'm just starting out on my Ls I don't want to be that guy that drives past a park because it was too difficult to reverse into or there was a BMW, Mercedes Benz parked there.

      • +4

        Learn without the cam first. Once you rely on tech to help you with basic driving skills, it's gonna be harder for you to drive/Park without it.

        • I plan on becoming fully competent without using a reversing camera, however while I'm just starting out on my Ls I don't want to be that guy that drives past a park because it was too difficult to reverse into or there was a BMW, Mercedes Benz parked there.

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: Are you looking for a head unit/cam that just has guidelines, or one that is connected to your steering wheel and basically "teaches" you how to steer?

            • @Ughhh: The later

              • +3

                @Wystri Warrick: Please get a driving instructor to learn how to steer. If you rely on this head unit to "teach" you, you'll be a shit driver.

                • +1

                  @Ughhh: Ughhh thanks for the advice (pun intended)

                  I will be learning to drive with a driving instructor obviously. The reversing camera is really just a precaution incase there's an expensive car parked in the opposite park to what I'm reversing into

                  • @Wystri Warrick: Do you have trouble predicting where your car goes when you reverse and turn your wheel?

      • +3

        Reversing camera with guidance lines that appear according to how the steering wheel is operated.

        This is not going to happen with an aftermarket head unit as it needs deeper integration with the car's ECU to get data from the steering angle sensor, yaw rate sensor, etc.

        • So there's absolutely no way at all that a aftermarket head unit could have guidance lines that work with the steering wheel? :(

          • +2

            @Wystri Warrick: I believe you can get cameras that show moving guidelines. To be honest though, I think you'd be better off in the long by learning without them.

            • @ShortyX: I definitely want to learn to reverse without a camera, but just while I'm starting out I wanted to use one, especially if I'm reversing into where a expensive car is parked

              • +1

                @Wystri Warrick: 👍 I meant the moving guidelines. Does the Corolla have a rear camera (factory or aftermarket)? I'm all for reversing cameras to avoid hitting something in the rear blind spot, but just don't rely on them.

                • @ShortyX: The car doesn't have any cameras at all.

                  Good advice, thanks ShortyX :)

        • Incorrect, they are available.

          • @plmko: How would I be able to tell if my car supports a head unit with guidelines that work with the steering wheel?

            • +1

              @Wystri Warrick: Your car needs to have the moving guidelines as a factory option first. Headunits simply read that data. Then you will need to read up if adaptors or if the headunit is capable of reading information such as CANBUS or CANTGL etc

              • @plmko: Thanks for that info. I'll research into CANBUS and CANTGL :)

      • +1

        I don't know what the laws are like where you are, but in NSW, you can't use your phone at all while on your Ps. This includes taking phone calls, navigating and playing music. Not sure what that means for Android Auto/Apple CarPlay (a quick Google seems to indicate that you can't use this when on your Ps in NSW as this is technically using your phone)

        • Hello kerfuffle :)

          Thanks for researching that for me. Maybe I can use the GPS in the head unit? 🤔

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: You can use the in built GPS, but you won't be able to use Google Maps via Android Auto (assuming SA laws are the same as NSW).

            Make sure you brush up on mobile phone laws while on your Ls and Ps for your state as I can only speak from a NSW perspective.

            • @kerfuffle: I'm very sure you can't even use the GPS on a phone if you're on your L and P plates in SA.

            • @kerfuffle: I'm curious what the distinction is between "in-built GPS" and "Android Auto", as they're (generally) used via the same head unit/screen.

              • @Chandler: Android Auto requires your phone to be connected in order for it to work. Pretty sure cops can tell the difference between in-built GPS and Google Maps

                • @kerfuffle: But then what's the difference in my operating the in-built GPS and Google Maps on the same head unit/screen

                  So I can touch the "cancel route" button for the in-built UI but not the Android Auto UI… ?

                  So what if a car maker decides to use Material Design principles for their in-built GPS…? It's not Android Auto, it just looks like it…

                  TBH, I haven't read the regs myself and may go and do so as I am genuinely curious, not actually trying to be a pain. :)

                  • @Chandler: Don't ask me; I didn't make up the laws. Go ask the cops if you're that concerned (I have no such concerns as I'm not on my Ps). Also I highly doubt any car maker will use Material Design principles unless they have permission from Google/Alphabet/whatever the parent company is called.

    • +3

      When I hit the car behind me, that tells me when I need to stop.

      I am joking.

  • +2

    Reversing camera with guidance lines that appear according to how the steering wheel is operated.

    WTF? Theres such a thing?

    • +7

      Been in cars for years. It's really useful.

      • -1

        Probably if your a shit driver…. then look at the %age of shit drivers on the road compared to good, its understandable I guess.

        • +3

          One could argue that you don't need ABS unless you're a shit driver. Like parking sensors they have a purpose and they do it well.

          • -2

            @Clear: never had a car with ABS.. never needed it.

            Knowing how to park without 50,000 aids is part of getting a license… but then I dont think the majority of people with licenses ever sit the actual driving test, their friends or cousins do… it would explain a lot

            • +1

              @pharkurnell: Of course. I strongly believe all new drivers should learn to drive without the use of cameras, parking sensors etc. It's how I learned to drive and my personal vehicle doesn't have them either.

            • +3

              @pharkurnell:

              I dont think the majority of people with licenses ever sit the actual driving test

              Take it straight to Grimshaw.

        • You use mirrors to reverse?? Hell, in my day we just turned our head.
          Why slam technology that makes things easier and safer?

          • @singlemalt72: Cause when that tech stops working people don't have the ability to turn their head or use mirrors.

      • -3

        You don't know which way to turn your steering wheel in reverse gear?

        • +1

          Pointing out that cars have such a feature doesn't mean you don't know how to use it. Otherwise in that case "cars have steering wheels", therefore I don't know how to turn while driving.

    • -1

      Yep. But only losers use them.

  • +1

    Why would you want 4G and/or wifi in the car?

    • +2

      Let me start…
      - In-car music streaming without the need of a paired phone
      - Youtube/Netflix (Of course when the car is safely parked)
      - Google Maps
      - As a hotspot (when you are on a long roadtrip with few bored kids and their ipads.
      - Work (There are times some of us have to sit in the car and use a laptop for work)
      - Some new cars already have built-in SIM and wifi that is used for remote diags, software updates, dial 000 during an accident, etc.

      And the list goes on…

      • +6

        realistically, no one is leaving the house without their phone and with android auto/apple car play, there's no need for it

        The car is a 2013 mode, not a Tesla.. seems like a waste of money

        • +1

          Having internet functions without using your phones is an immense improvement to QoL. Android Auto/Carplay heat up your phone and further reduce the life of your battery and force you to fiddle with it, they are also buggy and are slow to get full functions. Needing to set up before you drive also robs the joy of jumping into a car and just driving.

          • @plmko: QOL?! Geez

            You don’t have to be attached to your phone while you drive. You don’t need to stream whatever, or use google maps every single time

          • @plmko:

            immense improvement to QoL.

            Surely you are having a lend.

      • Thanks for posting. Those are the reasons why I kinda wanted a SIM slot - though I'd hardly ever use it unless on long road trips

  • +3

    Optional extras that would be nice:

    Front camera for parking
    Wi-fi
    4g Sim card

    No Autopilot?

    • Can't afford a Tesla, I'm a poor uni student who just works part time in retail :'(

      • Damn, and you bought a $12000 car? I’m twice your age and I never had a car that expensive (though I drive an older Corolla, 2005 model). I could afford to, but I like driving a town car that’s cheap to fix if anything goes wrong and I can cut my losses if it breaks.

        • +2

          Yeah I think I over spent, I should've either got a cheaper Corolla, or got a Camry for the price I paid. I'm happy with my purchase though, it'll last me for many many years to come - I won't be upgrading until electric and hydrogen cars become more cheaper :)

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: They're very reliable cars and very easy to drive/park. I put 150k into a 2014 model and the only issue I ever had was a recall on the fuel pump. Never any other issues besides the headlights blowing once and a flat battery.

  • +2

    I've had an Aliexpress double din android unit for ~4 years now and have never been let down. Prior to buying it i was tossing up between this and an Alpine/Sony for $500.
    To be honest the value for money wasn't there, there were far more features and more up to date than the other resistive touch screen units (Yuck).

    Takes about 30 seconds to start up and is only now starting to struggle with apps, still really good for bluetooth, navigation and radio.
    Don't have the reversing camera setup though.

    To be honest for ~$200 you can't really go wrong, if you can install it yourself then even better.
    If you get one of the newer ones with 6gb of ram then you'll be doing well.

    • +1

      Thanks for this Drakesy. I was hoping to hear peoples experiences with AliExpress head units.

      I'll definitely be installing it myself :)

      • +2

        Also just a heads up, don't use the reversing camera when learning, only as a fall back once you've got your license.

        Mirrors are in every car, reversing cameras are not.

        • Yeah the reversing camera is just to help me as I start out, then once I gain experience I'll wean myself off the camera.

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: Doesn't work that way in reality.

            • @singlemalt72: I definitely want to learn to reverse with a reverse camera. My dad is an amazing driver, he can easily reverse a 24ft caravan like it was nothing - I'd love to be able to do this one day :)

  • +6

    Reversing guidelines - pointless. Having driven cars with it, and knowing you're learning, it's really not needed. You should be using the side mirrors to line it up, then you can use the reverse camera to back up and make sure you don't hit anything. Seeing where the car will go with the lines is useless, especially when learning.

    As much as you'll see people having good experiences with Ali units, you'll hear the bad stories too if you read these forums. Frankly, I wouldn't want a head-unit to freeze, become unresponsive, have shit bluetooth quality etc. You're learning, the least distractions the better imo. Brand name units don't cost that much more, come with warranty, and generally have better software and hardware and will last longer.

    • Hey spackbace,

      You make a good point, maybe I don't need the reversing guidelines that show where the car is going to go?

      Yeah I've read about many horror stories from buying on AliExpress. If I do but a head unit from AliExpress I'll definitely be reading up peoples experiences in the reviews, OzBargain, Reddit and Whirlpool.

    • +1

      Spackbace 100% on the money as usual

      • I know, I think I may have annoyed him a little with all my PM's on cars…. 😬

  • The features you want are dependent on the head unit itself - not on your car.

    • How do you tell if a cars has the necessary smarts and plugs to connect a head unit that has the guidelines?

      • +2

        I think the search for the reversing guidelines feature and making them compatible with your car (if possible at all) will be more trouble than it's worth. Your side mirrors will be the most reliable tool for judging gaps and the reversing camera to cover what the mirrors cannot physically see. My driving instructor taught me to actually turn my head around for a wider field of view and use the side mirrors to judge clearances, when reversing.

        • Yeah I think you're right. Trying to get predictive guidelines on my car is going to be too much of a hassle, and I'm eventually going to wean myself off from using the camera as I gain more experience. I think I'll just forget about predictive guidelines, and only have a dumb reversing camera.

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: No. Do it the other way around. Learn to park using mirrors. The camera is a warped view due to wide angle lens etc. Only use the camera to determine exactly how close to the thing behind you.

            • @Euphemistic: Oh yeah, good advice. I'll use the mirrors to make surei reverse into the car park lines, and just the camera to see when to stop. Knowing when to stop would be the best usage of the camera, I really am afraid of bumping into an expressive car

              • @Wystri Warrick:

                bumping into an expressive car

                Italian car?

                • @Euphemistic: When I'm on my P plates I'll be driving through the city to get to work. I've seen a few Ferrari's, Lamborghinis and Zondas in the city, can't even remember how many BMWs and Mercedes Benz cars I've seen

  • +1

    Do not buy Chinese headunits because they are 'cheap'. You buy them because they are better value dollar for dollar. Avoid anything that doesn't have PX6 and 4gb of RAM.

    • Good advice! :)

      Yeah I'll definitely be getting one with at least 4gb of ram, and a solid processor. A nice bonus would be if it has a strong modding community - I always like tinkering with my electronics :)

  • +3

    As above, please learn how to drive properly without the need for tech. There are enough sh!t drivers already.

    The only handy thing is maybe reverse sensors so you know how much further you can go back before you hut something.

    • Thanks for the advice timthetoolman :).

      I only really want a smart reversing camera while I'm starting out - don't want to bank into expensive cars

      • +2

        I would have thought that after market reverse sensors would be much more accurate than a cheap double din head unit with video?

        If you're worried about reversing in to an expensive car, then you might need more practice before you go out on your own. If you're still on your L's then the parent etc should be able to help you to teach you how to reverse properly.

        Just go slow, take your time, don't stress out.

        • Yeah I just need more practice. It's hard finding time for practice between uni and work though.
          Once I gain experience I plan on weaning myself off the camera.

  • If you are learning you probably won't be listening to music or using the other technology attached to the head unit. The reverse park camera is useful to check for a pedestrian (start) or check your parking once you're basically in (end of manoeuver), but if you were to use it while actually maneuvering into the parking position it would probably be too slow and probably be more confusing than using mirrors or taking a peek behind.

    Best place to start for your head unit might be here: https://aerpro.com/vehicles/toyota/toyota-corolla-2013-2016-…
    Shows you what type of connections your car takes (also shows you the universal harnesses aerpro provides so installation is basically plug and play). A quick look shows that your car probably has all the connections needed for what you want (my old camry in comparison barely has any options.)

    For steering wheel guidelines it seems like you are out of luck if you want dynamic parking lines if your car didn't come with those sensors (hopefully someone else can confirm, or a chat with dealer or installer might be able to confirm this). The head units that have guidelines will project stationary parking lines on top of the camera feed. There are a few reverse cameras with a motion sensor included that overlay a moving guidline - these aren't too accuract from the look of reviews.

    If you really wanted those dynamic guidelines then you'd have to look into an aftermarket solution like iDatalink Maestro RR that hooks up to your car's can bus. It's an expensive solution and it's for the US market, meaning you'd have to double check whether it'd actually work on an australian radio. It does basically what you want however - hooks up to your car to get all the steering wheel inputs and gets the dynamic guidelines and feeds it to a compatible kenwood head unit. More info:

    https://www.facebook.com/idatalinkmaestro/videos/maestro-rr-…
    https://www.bankstownsound.com.au/kenwood-dmx9720xds-is-bigg…

    • OMG thanks so much for the highly detailed post jaffar! Aero site looks really useful - was booking someone would post a useful research sir like this!

      Looks like getting predictive guidelines is going to be pretty complex and a little more expensive than just hooking up a new head unit and attaching a back camera. The iDatalink Maestro looks really interesting, I love all the data and gauges it displays, looks totally awesome but out of my budget, but I'll research out some more!

      Also, not sure why you were negged, your post was very helpful :)

  • +1

    I bought a Teyes CC3 a few weeks ago through the Teyes Australian website. The Teyes are considered one of the better supported Chinese head units. They still get drop shipped from China. It was a 6GB with 128GB drive and Android 10. It came with a new facia to suit my Kia Soul and also with both the two possible wiring harnesses. Fitted really easy. My existing rear view camera was 6 volt so I had to do a bit of wiring to connect it (12V to 6V converter). I paid extra for the front dashcam which is powered from the unit. Footage is stored on the dashcam SD card but can be viewed from the head unit itself. It came with a free extra cam for the rear which I'm going to see if I can install in the existing camera molding. The standard low def camera looks Sh#t on the high res screen. Fixed reversing lines can be turned off and on and adjusted.

    It has built in 4G (2 SIM cards possible) or you can just tether it from your phone. It runs Android Auto and apple Carplay. Android Auto is cable only. I don't really see the need for either as all the apps can be run from the head unit itself. Bluetooth works well. The steering wheel buttons all worked.

    It is the wife's car and so far she is very impressed. A very high WSF. It is a + $500 for unit with the extra memory but seems very well built and has all the features. A very bright and clear screen.

    • Oh wow, thanks for the Teyes recommendation. This is just the info that I was hoping to get from this forum post. The Teyes cc3 look really interesting, I'll research it some more!

      How did you wire your front camera to record to your dash cam and feed video to your head unit?

    • Teyes was looking really promising, and I was really considering buying the cc3 or the cc2 plus, however I just found out that it requires a subscription service to use the software, and Google Assistant is disabled.
      I can understand the subscription service, they've got to pay the bills, new software updates don't write themselves, but I would've at least liked the option to opt out :(

      • +1

        There are two different subscriptions. One is for their voice assistant and the 2nd is for their software that enables you to remotely monitor and track the car through the head unit. The 2nd probably isn't required unless you want to do GPS tracking on your car if it gets stolen.

        The voice assistant is free for 12 months and you get a lifetime subscription if you give them a 5 star review (sounds like a lot of mattress companies.) Google voice assistant is still available within Google apps such as maps. There is also chat on the XDA Forums that it may become selectable.

        The front dashcam is a Teyes special and plugs straight into the head unit for power and video. There are other Video In and Out cables supplied. I guess you could wire your existing dashcam in and watch it if it had video out.

        • Thanks for explaining the subscription to me. Being a tight arse I would give the 5 star review lol….

          On the Teyes page to give a5 start review it says 1.After the approval, the voice control function from 1 year offline command subcription will be upgraded to Lifetime offline command + 2 years online command subcription for FREE! what's the difference between online voice mode and online mode?

          Is the 5 star review lifetime voice control also available for the CC2 Plus? I'm considering getting the CC2 Plus just because there's a 7in screen that'll fit perfectly in my car. In comparison looking at the images of the CC3 it looks like its body fits into a double DIN and the screen sticks out due it being a 10in screen, if I'm understanding correctly the 10in will fit my double DIN head unit?

          Hope everything makes sense, and thank you for your very helpful and in depth replies :)

          • +1

            @Wystri Warrick: Offline commands mean you don't have to have a SIM card in the unit or be tethered to your phone for the voice assistant to work. I assume online mode is where you can monitor your car online from anywhere. If you buy their OBD2 connector I guess you could see what speed and how hot the motor is running when the thieves steal your now highly desirable Corolla.

            Email Dan at Teyes Australia if you have any worries. I had the usual hundred questions and he always answered my queries within hours. There were two possible facia's for my Kia Soul. He got straight onto the warehouse in China and had a photo of the one I needed back that night , just to confirm it didn't come with optional switch popouts already popped.

            Mine was limited to 9" due to matching the facia to the dash. I didn't really get a choice. It was the only one available. Still a great size.

            https://www.teyes.com.au/search?q=corolla&options%5Bprefix%5…

            The 2013 appears to be on the model change year. You'll have to compare it to your car. Some facias are universal and face straight out. Some are sloped to suit left or right hand drive. They must have a thousand different ones already made to suit the thousands of models around the world.

            • @Densor: Thanks for explaining the online and offline Densor :)

              Just Googled 'Teyes OBD2'. I've definitely got to buy one. I was hoping to somehow be able to have that data on the display, but just didn't know what I needed to buy, thanks Densor! :D

              Good idea, I'll message Dan. That's really fast service, would never have thought a budget Chinese electronics company would have such good and fast service.

              Thanks for the link to the search results! Never thought of searching Teyes site for 'Corolla' 🙄

              • +1

                @Wystri Warrick: Could you identify which one was suited to your 2013 ? There was a model change, but also another one that covered multiple years. Be careful not to order one of the left hand drive units.

                • @Densor: Hey Densor,

                  Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, had uni and work.

                  Dan pointed me to this CC3 for my car https://www.teyes.com.au/products/teyes-cc3-for-toyota-corol…

                  I contacted Dan, and he said that Teyes are working on implementing Google Assistant in a future update. So I guess that means I'll be buying the CC3 :)

                  Thank you so much for all your help Densor, your in depth replies have been very helpful :)

  • +2

    OP, please get a dashcam.

    • Already got two!….. Aiofo A129 Plus Duo from this deal, I then bought my car which came with a Black Vue DR750S-2ch…..

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