Driving: Who's right and who's wrong?

Happy Sunday all….

It seems to be a slow day, so I thought I'd try stir up some conversation about this "interesting" dashcam video I came across this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZiBGMqy3-U

In the video, there seems to be a slight collision where the vehicles are side by side and it appears the mirrors have knocked each other. There's a mix of broken road rules and (lack of) common sense and courtesy. In my opinion, the situation and the "collision" could have easily been avoided.

So my question for everyone is… who do you think is more in the wrong?

Edit: 07/07/2021 10:45: I probably didn't make it clear in the post, but the video is not mine and that guy with the man-boobs is not me.

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  • 7
    Dash Cam driver is more at fault
  • 533
    Driver of the blue car is more at fault
  • 56
    Both are idiots

Comments

  • +75 votes

    Is this even up for discussion? Blue is obviously in the wrong.

    • +109 votes

      Blue is wrong, but white could have taken action to help prevent the incident by slowing down.

      Sometimes you have to make allowances for idiots while you are driving.

      • +15 votes

        Sometimes you have to make allowances for idiots

        There's one word wrong in this sentence: Sometimes.

        • +1 vote

          I wish the video went longer

          Satisfying.

      • -34 votes

        I never slow down to let in slow cars (SUVs, Toyota Camrys/Corollas, 4 cylinder hatch backs etc.)
        I wouldn't have slowed to let the blue car in because it sucks.

        • +8 votes

          So you are saying slowing to prevent someone hitting your car isn’t sensible?

          Modern cars aren’t slow in a ‘driving in traffic’ sense. It’s the driver. If you think they are slow, you are probably driving too fast. You’ve also named pretty much all vehicles on the roads.

          • -23 votes

            @Euphemistic: I'm saying that I speed up to avoid an accident and to get in front of slow cars.
            I find that slow cars and slow drivers often go hand in hand.

        • -2 votes

          To be fair you know those people will be slow and suckful drivers so why let them ahead where they will just slow you and others down.

      • +1 vote

        The blue is wrong.
        But you can make all the excuse in the world you'd like, and blue is still wrong.

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      That's definitely some town in country victoria.

      That guy obviously has some man or lack of man issues.

      Woman in the boom boom landcruiser should have gotten out her obligatory shovel and wheel jack.

      Guy deserved the instant karma.

      • +2 votes

        Location is Sturt street in Ballarat. in front of Ballaarat Mechanics' Institute.

  • +19 votes

    Blue = idiot

    • +19 votes

      Will probably be charged with negligent driving, common assault and be sent straight to bed with no tendies!

  • +44 votes

    How on earth can you consider this up for debate? Indicated and turned, over a solid line, while not head checking?

    If you think the 'courteous' thing to do would be to let anyone in any time then indicate and slow down for them, then we would have even worse traffic than we already do

    • -10 votes

      If you think the 'courteous' thing to do would be to let anyone in any time then indicate and slow down for them

      It's not about letting someone in - it's about taking steps to avoid a collision. The DC owner has, instead of taking steps to avoid a collision, done the opposite and intentionally positioned herself alongside that car while she can see them changing lanes.

      • +25 votes

        I see what you're saying, but the onus is not on that person. It's a minor bingle and people shouldn't have to cover for inept drivers.

        What if that car swerved to avoid the blue car and hit another, then is going to struggle to prove they are not at fault?

        People need to take more responsibility in how they drive

        • -39 votes

          I thought it was an interesting one because it doesn't look like the DC driver not only didn't do anything to try avoid the collision - it looked like she actually made a conscious move to block the other driver. IMO, it's almost bordering the offense where someone speeds up while being overtaken.

          I was thinking back to the days when I was a claims assessor where I had to determine liability for this kind of thing. The blue car is at fault, but I'd seriously be considering contributory negligence on the part of the DC driver.

          • +22 votes

            @bobbified: I disagree. They've been given no notice, they beeped, blue car should therefore go in their lane as it isn't safe to change lanes, and DC continues driving so traffic isn't held up.

            If you let that sort of behaviour pass, then everyone will just bang on an indicator and force a turn then you better let it happen, absolute chaos.

            I have very little patience for this sort of shit driving. I'd rather (and do) miss my turn off if I can't make the lane change than to force my way in and slow traffic down

            • +22 votes

              @timthetoolman:

              I have very little patience for this sort of shit driving. I'd rather (and do) miss my turn off if I can't make the lane change than to force my way in and slow traffic down

              I agree with you on this. It shits me too, but if I had to choose between letting someone push in and having to go through the inconvenience of having my car out of action and getting it fixed (even though I don't have to pay for anything), I'd always let the prick in.

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              @timthetoolman: I'm not sure who was beeping.

              If it was the DC driver her beeping was very late.

      • +26 votes

        From a purely rational 3rd party perspective I am in complete agreement with you. This is a classic case of being "right" not producing the best outcome. The dash cam driver chose to pursue their right of way and in doing so caused the following:
        - Waste time dealing with the police and insurance
        - Waste time getting their car fixed
        - Potential further violent escalation from the other driver

        If the dash cam driver chose to swallow their pride and practise defensive driving, the only thing that happens is they let a bad driver off the hook with their crap driving.

        In calmness I know exactly which option I'd take. That said, I can fully empathise with the dash cam driver in this instance too.

        • +3 votes

          100% agree with this comment. My car is my pride and joy. And as soon as this guy started indicating and started coming across at a snail pace. I think most defensive drivers would stay well away and move into a separate lane.

          Not worth the potential headache.

      • +4 votes

        Stopping suddenly is just as likely to cause a collision, and swerving will risk hitting a car in the next lane, so if you are in any high - moderate level of traffic, the argument for avoiding an accident is null-less than zero.
        If you make any sudden moves you are more likely to endangered other road users, especially pedestrians, cyclists, and motorbikes, and most likely you will be putting your own insurance on the line, since you become the cause of the secondary accident, should it occur.

        • +2 votes

          The only reasonable course of action was to brake slowly and let the car pass. From video it seems to have been possible but obviously I wasn't there

        • +2 votes

          There is no situation where a car should be driving so closely behind another vehicle that they can't stop in the event of an emergency.

          • +2 votes

            @dcash: Under rated comment. You learn this when learning to ride a motorbike.

      • +2 votes

        I'm not so sure to be honest, it looks like the collision was inevitable which leaves the white car with one option to very quickly change lanes which could likely end up in them doing the same to soemone else, and it being their fault.
        Being 100% aware and in control, other than breaking I would have done the same, the hit was going to happen anyway, don't complicate things by potentially involving someone else which wouldn't help with the first issue anyway.

    • -4 votes

      slowing down for others would reduce traffic, not make it worse.

  • +28 votes

    LOL… fat middle aged guy in slides pulling that, then the cops, brilliant.

    Definitely blue. If he had to make the turn he should have either accelerated to get in front, or just waited till the other car passed and then made his move. Instead he took his sweet time and then made out like the other driver was in the wrong.

    • +5 votes

      LOL… fat middle aged guy in slides pulling that, then the cops, brilliant.

      haha that was pisser! The cops were at the right place, at the right time! Not just one, but two paddy wagons!

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        but two paddy wagons divvy vans!

        FTFY. It is Victoria after all…

        • +1 vote

          Ah yes.. divvy vans here! I've brought my Sydneysider "paddy wagons" with me! lol

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          potato scallop not potato cake hahahaha

    • +1 vote

      To me it just looks like he's changing lanes to get into the one that will start up quicker. Still his fault for not checking the lane was free.

    • +2 votes

      I hope he's horrified that his attempted assault (on a woman, no less) is broadcast publicly. Like was he heading into a cat fight with his arm up in the air like that?

      • +1 vote

        In his defence, looks like he was driving with his elderly mother, bound to drive any man crazy :)

        • +2 votes

          Could be even worse than we know… could be his mother in law.

        • +1 vote

          Hahaha!
          Na… Something tells me that guy does EVERYTHING including living with his elderly mother!

          Given that reaction, the physique and shorts, I'm picturing Alan from "THE HANGOVER" (played by Zach Galifianakis) who lives with his parents and is always yelling demands as his poor mother - maybe he needs an Intervention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfTAD0Nmrqo !!

  • +34 votes

    Blue car is wrong and blind.
    Dash cam owner is stubborn and stupid.

    Both need a good spanking.

    • +4 votes

      This is exactly what I think.

      Drivers have a duty of care to take steps to avoid a collision where possible. In this case, the driver of the blue car is technically wrong, but the DC driver appears to have purposely gone side by side to intentionally block the car from changing lanes.

      • +26 votes

        I don’t agree. White car was moving in that lane, blue car has to give way. Blue car starts to move, white car hesitated, blue car started moving back into their own lane, white car saw this as “they’ve seen me, it’s ok to go now” and then blue car decided to try their luck again after the white car had moved up beside them…

        Blue car, 100% at fault. White car does not have to give way to blue car.

        • -8 votes

          It appears that your "neck bearded manlet" mate tried to move back into their own lane, then saw the maroon car in front of him (probably wasn't sure if he could stop in time) and couldn't decide whether to go left or straight. Meanwhile the DC car has decided to stay side by side.

          They're both idiots. It'd be interesting to see if there was anything earlier between the two drivers before this video started.

        • +12 votes

          White car is right, but being right doesn't mean you're being smart.
          Being right wont' save your life, being smart will.

          No one benefits in a collision, at fault or not at fault.

      • +4 votes

        Drivers have a duty of care to take steps to avoid a collision where possible.

        I frequently ride a motorbike and have learnt that in order to survive you've got to make allowances for these idiots to avoid a collision. It can be frustrating but unfortunately our roads are full of people who don't know how to drive.

        • +1 vote

          Yes, I learnt to just stay away and let people in or whatever from my motorcycle days. No point being dead and right!

          Also, it's often better to have an idiot in front of me than behind me.

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          This is the way

  • +4 votes

    stir up some conversation Controversy

    FTFY ;)

    • +12 votes

      Blue car drove over a solid lane so they're 100% in the wrong. I wouldn't say dashcam car is a jerk but lacks common sense (to avoid an easily avoidable collision).

  • +20 votes

    Blue car is 100% at fault (not “mostly”) Not giving way when changing lanes. Changing lanes over continuous line.

    NEXT!

    Also; lol @ neck bearded manlet driving his mum around. Got carpal tunnel in that wrist no doubt from either WoW or spending too much time with his digital waifu.

    • +2 votes

      However it is Ballarat.

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        In that case, the women was probably his mum, his sister AND his girlfriend…

        I initially thought it was Geelong until the footage got a bit further up the hill.

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      You don't think the DC driver could have or should have avoided the collision?

      • +2 votes

        I think that how things look at the time and how they look watching them back on a computer screen is very different. Reaction times, decisions making, hindsight, lens’s distortion, other things all add up to everyone acting like “Monday’s armchair experts”.

        To me, what the blue car did looked like a deliberate action to ram into the white car. At one point, the blue car seemed to see the white car and moved back into its own lane. To anyone at the time, they may have thought, “oh, the blue car has seen me” and gone to drive around them. What comes after looks deliberately done by the blue car driver.

        I think that given the same situation, most people here would have made the same call as the driver of the white car, but it’s easy watching it on dash cam with all this hindsight and third party perspective and saying “wHiTe cAr aLsO aT fAuLt”…

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          So, if YOU were driving the white care YOU would have had a collision too?

          Observe blue car's lane blocked up ahead, Observe blue car breaks at 1 second, Observe blue car's left blinker comes on at 2 seconds, still with plenty of room.

          Easily avoided.

  • +2 votes

    I remember watching this many months ago in a Dash Cam Australia compilation video.

    Why are we commenting on a video that's nearly a year old?

    • +1 vote

      I only came across it this morning - thought it'd be interesting to get everyone's opinions.

    • +1 vote

      I don't see how the video being a year old makes it worth not discussing

  • +13 votes

    Someone has actually voted for the dashcam car being in the wrong so now we know the blue car driver is here on OzBargin.

    • +3 votes

      Unfortunately there's a lot of shit drivers everywhere. That move is okay to most luxury euro car drivers…

    • +4 votes

      Now two so mum's here as well.

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        3 votes now. Looks like his daddy is in here as well.

  • -1 vote

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    • +12 votes

      It's dashcam Australia on youtube. The problem is on your end.

      • +1 vote

        not working in incognito either

        • +10 votes

          Yeah, that's not how incognito works. Incognito doesn't hide what sites you visit from your network admin. It only stops your browser from keeping any history.

          So, in incognito mode, your late night surfing over to 4chan is safe from your wife/husband/life partner, not so much from your network admin.

          • +3 votes

            @pegaxs:

            Please check the … network administrator restrictions.

            Dead giveaway

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            @pegaxs: I know, I meant about any retaining cookies. I am the "network admin" at home and it is now working. Should be an issue with ISP then (some kind of filtering ?). I had some issues with DNS too and fixed after switching to Google DNS at router and flushdns.

            Seems like this is due to the "Restricted Mode" in Youtube. I found similar issue in Reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/kq02ev/unable_to_t...

  • +2 votes

    My wife is right and I am wrong

    But yes the Blue car is wrong, though the dashcam owner could have given way…

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      Of course you are, your inherent wrongfullness is due to the Y-chromosome.

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      The dash cam owner is basically an oblivious goose, the fact that they saw this clown coming and still hit them is testimony. It takes two to have an accident, that's why all the talk about motorcycles being too dangerous is only the case for some riders. Anyone with the right physical and mental attributes can mitigate most issues quite successfully and be safe on a bike. If that was my sister I wouldn't let her near one.

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        No it really doesn’t take two to have an accident.

        Sure, defensive driving is valuable in many instances, but your aphorism is a silly quip because it’s so often untrue.

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          because it’s so often untrue

          So is getting hit by lightning, it happens, it's just not something you worry about and it's by far the minority of accidents

  • +4 votes

    Man, I am scared to get a dashcam - seems like a lot of bad things happen to dashcam owners :(

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      Did you know you're most likely to have a car crash within 10kms of your home? Better move from it too! :(

  • +5 votes

    My misses would have throat punched that gronk so hard he’d never eat again. How can the tit think he is not in the wrong.

    • +3 votes

      tit

      I'm pretty sure that guy had a couple!

  • +18 votes

    I remember this. The real crime is the video ending too soon.

  • +5 votes

    At least the man finally got some exercise !

  • +2 votes

    Blue car 100% in the wrong as they crossed an unbroken lane line.

  • +3 votes

    I would love to see the rest of the video, even ending with a comment like "we can't show you the rest of the video as it will be included in a future episode of idiots driving on highway patrol " … It would be hilarious to watch…

    I also do love the arrival of the 2 police cars right in time and one parking in front of him… I would like to see his excuse for getting back into his car to drive off…

  • +4 votes

    Originally I was in the ‘Blue car 100% in the wrong’ camp until I rewatched it from the start.

    Dash cam car should have given way to Stupid, the blue car was already starting to drift over and did have its indicator on, there was plenty of notice that the blue car driver is a fwit.

    Blue car driver should have been aware of Dashie moving into the blind spot and simply waited for it to go past, there is clearly no traffic behind Dashie and he could have still made the turn if he took his foot off the accelerator and waited half a sec.

    Blue car driver is 100% in the wrong, but you HAVE to cater for morons who don’t indicate/check their blind spot/drift around their lanes like crazy.

    Particularly here in Victoria, we breed moronic drivers like you wouldn’t believe

  • -1 vote

    It's worries me a bit that so many people don't see anything wrong with the DC driver's actions. If you're driving across an intersection and someone runs the red from the side street, they are committing an offence and if you hit them they'll technically be at fault. But it doesn't give you the right to ram them if you can avoid it.

    When a collision happens, no-one wins and being "right" doesn't protect your vehicle from damage or yourself from sustaining any injuries.

    • +3 votes

      You're assuming DC driver was paying proper attention and itended the at fault driver to hit him. Most likely he'd seen the car in front was slower, but as the light turned green he wasn't slowing down (he didn't slow down, but he also didn't speed up to "make" the accident happen).

      Yes he should be more aware of other cars changing lanes, but if we were always aware of everything going on around us accidents wouldn't happen at all.

      • +2 votes

        Yeah, blue car even started to move back to their lane. It's not hard to check your blind spot.

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          Dashcam car was in front when the collision happened, there was no blind spot involved. Blue car hit the cam car deliberately because he was annoyed they didn't recognise the fact he owns the road.

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            @apsilon: Probably a hair in front. There's a good few seconds where they are besides each other. The dash cam car would have been in the blue car's blind spot before the attempted merge… Not saying either is in the right but the blind spot was in play because he was trying to merge for almost 5 seconds.

            • +1 vote

              @Caped Baldy: I still don't believe there blind spot was in play. If he was properly checking his mirrors he would've been aware of the DC car approaching. As they were alongside he moved back to the right slightly indicating he was aware of the other vehicle then merged into them anyway. You can even see him after moving slightly right then do several little jerks to the left while alongside trying to intimidate the DC car. IMO it was 100% deliberate action by the blue car.

      • +1 vote

        but if we were always aware of everything going on around us accidents wouldn't happen at all.

        It's not like the blue car came outta no where, before the collision, the blue cars intentions were very clear- indicating, driving on the line. The fact the the white car did not react to this obvious unsafe driving in front of himher shows heshe needs to undergo defensive driving training and eye test.

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      You did not ask if anyone thought the DC's drivers actions were wrong. You asked who is more wrong. And the only answer is the driver of the blue car. Merged across a sold line, failed to merge safely. In terms of police and insurance they will be 100% at fault.

      Could the DC driver have taken action to avoid the accident, assuming they had been paying attention then absolutely. Is the DC car at fault? No.

      If you wish to discuss whether people see anything wrong the DC drivers actions then you should ask that as your question, but you didn't.