I found the "Preparing for HSC" thread interesting, so I thought lets hear what peoples ATAR (or no ATAR) was and where it got you today :)
Where Did Your ATAR Get You?
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Where I do not attribute my Atar(VCE) as getting me anywhere. I do see the importance of it. The higher the ATAR you get the more capable of getting into that course of your choice straight away. This then flows onto completing the course at a younger age, entering the workforce at a younger age and making more money over your working career.
Had I not mucked around, I would have been more well off than I am now. Instead I took the scenic route: tafe then UNI, oh down forget that in between the two when you need to have rest from studying.
I don’t force my kids to do better rather I now encourage a University path straight out of highschool and that means helping them get a better ATAR!TER: 72.6. Was quite embarrassed to share the result amongst my Asian community because it wasn't 95+
Always wanted to do engineering, did it. 8 years out and making 150k now.
I do like my job, but wouldn't do it for free ;)
no one needs to know mine : /
VCE 90 did bachelor of business systems (in the same class as kogan - nice guy).
Went on to do ApSci, chiropractic, Chinese medicine and then sat exams to get into med.
Now I work as a doctor. Never wanted to do med when I was in school. Never thought i was smart enough. To some degree I still don't, but i do work very hard.
The mark is not that important, you can get into almost anything after yr12, but you just have to work at it, even law or med. There is some element of intellectual capacity, but hard work always pays off.
ATAR of 73, I went from top of everything in year 10 to not giving a shit about school in 11 and 12, went from Dux of the school to not even studying for my exams and just showing up on the day. Still got 73 plus the extra credit my local university gives you to attend there and I had enough to go into IT but decided to do a trade instead, started an electrical apprenticeship the Monday after graduation, so before marks given and actually any use to me but ah well.
Humiliation.
~95 atar got me into Engineering and on 6 figures after graduating
how was teh uni experience
it was ok, software engineering is a waste of time I think tho (an extra year, most of which is maths/stat or other engineering that can just be learned adhoc later). I work at a FANG now and it wouldn't have mattered if I did compsci or IT and saved a year 🤷♂️
No ATAR or HSC
Two degrees - Topped my undergraduate
Medical doctor now
Took the long (fun) path, not sure what I would change if I could redo it all again.
*would be substantiated more wealthy if I had not pursued medicine however I love listening/helping people directly as a job.95 and now I invest in startups
What is this space like in Australia?
Not many roles open, and pretty selective hiring but is growing every year. Largely dependent on the success of tech startups in Australia
What did most of your peers study? MBAs? Finance?
@A Flying Boom: I personally studied finance. However, my peers have studied a large range of degrees, some did STEM degrees, others took arts or philosophy. Diversity of thought is quite important in this field to ensure that analysis is comprehensive.
I was just below the entry requirement but still made it. From memory I got like an 86 and requirement was 90.
Finished my honours degree with 65% average, now working in my field and enjoying it.
The majority of the "smart" kids (95+) are all doing different things now. The two highest scoring students from my year level didn't complete uni and are both working on very different projects and seem to be doing well for themselves. It's really just a number and a taste test for studying at uni. The most important thing about school and scoring is learning how to learn.
I got an ATAR of 25. Yes, 25. High School was difficult, low attention span and my school was downright horrible.
Yet in the long run, I managed to get a Certificate IV, 2 Bachelor Degrees, 1 Graduate Diploma degree, and a Masters degree.
🙃
Did you spend a lot of time peeing?
Many many lectures were filled with the excuse of me needing to have a pee.
General achievement test score?
ooo I actually cannot remember that. My ATAR was actually called ENTER at the time.
I am going to assume it was not a good score though.
tbh i got an atar far below most of my peers in medicine but i got in after a few years of other study anyway. Maybe i couldve saved some time and 20k in HECS if i'd been more switched on in highschool who knows. at the end of the day i dont regret it.
I didn't finish high school, so no ATAR for me. Retired at 45 with a Master's degree.
Why plumbers with Tafe certificate can earn more than ATAR kids
Because tradies get the ladies and most office people are scared of a leaking tap.
79.3 busy smoking bongs and doing burnouts in cars.
School is not for everyone
I did a Tafe cert 3 and then adv diploma with msce and ccna. Earnt more doing SAP implementations 200k 10 yrs ago.
Now doing postgrad study in customs law. No dither uni. OK full time salary at 120k. Money's not everything, have a good work life balance too.
90.8, it didn't get me very far - slightly above the avg full-time wage now at 34. My career has been interrupted at times for personal reasons, becoming a public servant didn't set me up for a huge salary either and I have no desire to go into management - nor the traits for it.
Scored 59.9 managed to get into uni with a lower score due to my socio economic circumstances.
Graduated and worked hard to get myself into a multinational company and earning 80k+ 3 years into my career
I got 72.3 in my TER … I am now a surgeon
ATAR / TEE / TER I found makes little long term impact, My brother scored 49ish and is now high up in the mining sector management and earns more than me
How did you end up as a surgeon?
64.35, got a Bachelor of IT and now earn good money working in the tech industry.
same except for the now earn good money working in the tech industry.
I landed 99.95 about 12 years ago now.
I applied for medicine as an undergraduate, but didn't get an initial offer. Probably a number of factors, but my ego feels better if I tell myself that it was because I worked part time during high school whilst looking after a disabled family member, and therefore had virtually no extra-curricular portfolio. Literally scraped the bottom of the barrel and ended up with a second round offer a few days before the semester began.
Hated my years as a junior doctor and would have likely quit if I had a robust exit plan. Currently doing advanced training in a physician specialty I actually care about and now can't imagine doing anything else.
99 . ATAR put me through 10 years of hell in a job i hated making me $90k a year serving people that i fking hate and really average minded colleagues.
TLDNR: Do the things at which you are great, not what you were never made for.
Bit of the brains that got me that 99 and grit and perseverance now makes me about $400k+ about 3 full days a week of actual work. Rest of the time I'm thinking about work and planning but that's just my personality I don't really switch off. More live to work, rather than work to live. Business/consultancy.
Looking back, the ATAR wasn't the cause of my suffering, my lack of direction and balls was.
Do what you like, and be very good at it, but have some commercial common sense at the same time. +heaps of grit.
I think I have that lack of direction and balls problem.
What field do you work in?
now makes me about $400k+ about 3 full days a week of actual work
More live to work, rather than work to live
UM
I got above 85 which got me into the computer science course I wanted which I completed quickly with decent marks. made about 200 job applications before I was employed as a game developer for a few years. currently unemployed due to covid. I'm in a great position pick up new skills and find a new job but currently feeling burnt out for the first time in my life. working full time to afford a place to sleep isn't making me happy.
Got an ATAR of 63, and didn't get into my 1st preference of engineering. Had to transfer in after 1 year.
Spent 6.5 years at uni on a 4 year course, racked up a 89K debt, failed almost a dozen topics which got me suspended for 6 months at one point, had a GPA of well below a pass (3.3 I think?).
Now im an engineer at one of the biggest construction companies in Australia (and didn't know anyone in the industry), sitting on 145k plus, and graduated 12 months ago. Moral of the story, never let grades defy you, personality is everything and anything is possible.
Hah never let technical competence define you if you can fail most of your degree and still get a well paying engineering job in construction. Sorry to be blunt but I hope you aren't doing any safety critical design. The industry must be extremely desperate if they are paying a P level grad that coin
No hard feelings at all, spent my first 10 months on rural defence job full time on site in a camp and gained invaluable experience as a jnr eng. After that moved to a site eng role. Just have to be a fast learner and have adapting skills, combined with good memory. Also putting in the time after work makes you prepared for upcoming project works and that way a lot more competent. No work is ever done on one persons accord in construction, especially safety critical tasks. All risk related works go through dozens of checks before commencing, especially with tier 1 companies, and the key part is to seek advice from experienced peers and learn every time you preform a task, so you know exactly what's required the next time a similar tasks is required. These are skills developed in experience, and ones no uni course can directly teach.
Hard to believe that a junior position pays 145k…
https://au.indeed.com/career/site-engineer/salaries
Most tier 1 companies pay base just over 100k for starting site eng roles, did a cadetship in my 2nd to last year of uni, so didnt need to do a grad course and went into a jnr eng role for about 10 months. Now i started as a contractor for a site eng about 3 months ago, and i get about 20% extra wage given dont have leave allowances, plus super, lands my package at just over 145k.
What exactly are you 'engineering' in your role? Is it more a project management role?
My experience is engineers in construction (structural/civil engineers) are seriously underpaid and only associates would be on a package of 140k+.
@devize: My main role revolves around quality control, design issues with subcontractors (as we are the Principal Contractor (PC)), and solving issues with designers and architects based on clients needs which in our case is a government department for transport. This is for a public transport infrastructure project.
This is true but subjective, and picking the right company and project is really critical when seeking employment in this regard. On my previous job, the tier 1 PC was paying there grad eng 65-70 and site eng 90, while the subbies engineers were all on 90-120 (plus flights package) and this was a rural FIFO defence project for $1.2 billion. Another note is that there alot of, what are normally referred to as 'preten-gineers' out there. So that's people with a construction/project/eng managment/eng course qualification out there, whom often are in engineer roles. Employers will often pay them a lot less and have a mix of them, with actual engineer qualification workers in a team performing the same tasks depending on the size and complexity of the project. This is the case with alot of engineers out there. Generally speaking, they can only work towards project management roles, rather than senior/head eng roles which require masters/honors eng degrees.
For our tier 1 company our project eng sits on about 160-190 (3-5 yrs exp), senior proj eng 200-250 (6-9 yrs exp), and project manager about 300 - 330 (6-9 yrs exp min)
@knig123: Thanks for the response.
I think if you're an engineer looking to enter the construction industry then the only roles that earn a good salary is the area that you're in - project/site engineering in more of a project management role rather than a design engineering role.
My experience at tier 1 engineering companies is structural/civil engineers are severely underpaid, with grads earning less than 65k, design (3-5 year) 70-80k and senior engineers (>5 years if you're lucky/good) 90-100k. Management roles push the 120-140k mark.
OP10 (very much middle of the road). Two degrees (Business and IT), second degree from a Go8 Uni. Had about 30k HECS but that was paid off a few yrs ago (or possibly many years ago, can't remember?). Been working in various IT admin roles at said Go8 Uni since I graduated. Currently on ~$115k package or ~$100k gross @ 37. Should be slated for a bump in the next 12 months when someone leaves which will bump me to the next level (HEW 8/A07 equivalent) which realistically is probably the level I'll end up retiring at.
Have a 1 year old daughter and think I'll press upon her the importance of studying and choosing the right vocation/trade. I never really remember studying at school which probably reflects why I did so bad.
Forgot to add I'm currently on and have always been on a 36.25hr work week (think work-life-balance with flextime/VBT etc.). Not sure if I could hack doing more than that TBH. Guess you could call me institutionalised - I'd probably be eaten up in the private sector. I'm sure I'd be motivated to do more hours if I was a sole trader.
working for Griffith/QUT/UQ?
I got pretty dismal TER way back in the day. Went to TAFE instead and headed in the right direction anyway.
Got into IT like I wanted and ended up in Management on $200K+. Ive switched to IT Project Management now to get more flexibility with young kids and getting older.I have a nephew who got 93, went to uni to do business and worked corporate for a couple of years and hated it. He's now an apprentice builder. He'll do well
My advice to my son in year 11 is to do your best while choosing subjects that you'll need and not worrying too much about doing the really high subjects.
Unless you want to slice people up, do something general at Uni like business etc.I got 99.0 which landed me a full scholarship into a Commerce/IT double degree. I really had no idea what I wanted to do and the scholarship offer made the choice easier. At the end of my studies I still didn't know what I wanted to do but I got a position on a graduate program in a government agency, and I'm still working in government (independent statutory authority, not politics) 15 years later.
Didn't get one and am currently doing cyber security
I got a UAI of 46. Due to poverty, living rurally and no jobs (back then you classed as "independent" at 25 by centrelink) I couldn't afford go to university. I went to tafe in 2006 to do cert III in IT. Then after that I got a mid year enrollment in University of Newcastle, Bachelor of Nursing. Decided to risk it and slept out of my car because I was earning 100 dollars a week first six months. I did my first prac then I was qualified to be AIN, then it got easier for me, I was able to afford a room (@ $100 a week). I graduated with a C average and no money. I did my first 2 years at a extremely rural hospital (as it had free accommodation), where I learnt "First Line Emergency Care" (FLECC) related care. However I was bullied, eventually ended up depressed. Then I went to China for a few years teaching healthcare professionals english and the western healthcare system which I earnt alot like 30k RMB a month. Then I went back to Australia I did nursing again because I hated China. I got into mental health, then I did a Masters in Forensic Mental Health, now work in Forensic ward made 150k including OT and shift work.
Hey that's a great story - nice work. It seems like you've broken the poverty cycle with a crapload of hard work.
Was it coming from poverty that made you want to keep on working at the goal or did you just really want to be a nurse?
Quite depressing and not sure whether to believe these 100k+ graduates and also TAFE graduates.
I wouldn't be depressed about it. For every 5 people on here that post about their success stories and $$$ salaries, there's hundreds that are nowhere near that so won't post. It's not the norm. Forums can give a very skewed view of the reality for most.
Salaries on OzB are skewed by highly paid managers because they're sitting around on their phones with nothing to do while their underlings are running around doing the work.
we all know there's whirlpool salary, ozb salary and real salary. adjusted for inflation
To be honest, 2 years ago I would've agreed with the comments above about skewed data…but now that I know people who have graduated, its actually really common…
OP23. Now I'm an air traffic controller. Probably best if you all take the bus.
Into undergrad. Then worked for a few years and did post-grad part-time whilst still working.
Once I finished post-grad I got a fairly well paying, easy job. So overall it was worth it.For me it was definitely a case of working smarter not harder.
I wouldn't say your final score is everything but for me it was fairly helpful.
But I also know people who got very low ATARs (below 50%) and still ended up doing post-grad, architecture, etc.
Because they worked hard at uni/TAFE and eventually got into their preferred course and eventually got a decent job.
Certainly not the case to say you can just bludge at school then just get a law degree and suddenly start earning good money.Good luck!
Kings cross
73 ATAR.
Got into forensic biology, then worked at Woolies part time and got into TAFE for IT. Now studying Bachelor in IT whilst working full time in IT… ATAR ended up being useless for me as my tertiary studies didn't rely on my ATAR.Low 90s got me into an architecture degree at a uni I wanted to go to.
In highschool I worked quite hard to get that score, felt a bit burnt out in my first year of uni, flunked it, almost got kicked out.Motivated with being about to lose it all, I worked hard, which in an indirect way got a good internship at a well respected company, got a job, started working on the side.
Got registered, dropped down to 4 days a week, worked a day a week for my self, hired a co-op space, dropped down to 2-3 days a week, then took the plunge full time for my self.
Hired a student, then re-hired them as a grad, business has been gradually growing since I got my first co-op space.
it has been the most incredibly hard, long hours, stressful thing I have ever done.being good at architecture, and at business isn't something that necessarily learnt from uni or from my atar, it came from within, looking back more appreciative of my education now, even if I could have arrived at the same point without the ENTER/ATAR.
The most important thing I've learnt is to be resourceful.
I got my first job in architecture firm because one of the directors recognised me from an extracurricular activity an art show that I helped organise that he attended.
I got the job interview though from cold calling repeatedly 100 firms.I think a lot of students are incorrectly taught that life is, do this, get this result, you do well at high school, you get into a good uni, you get a good grad job, and that lead to a great pathway. However it's being resourceful and consistently working hard that gets you places. If I didn't like what I did and did it for the 'money' or the the 'title' I would have burnt out a million times over ago.
ATAR 32
Did well in uni applications to get into horticulture
mow lawns for a living
17 years training on backyards and frontyards
Recently finished
Age 35
800k
9 inch cockdo you think if you studied harder you could have stretched it to 10?
ATAR of 86 - mid 30's, earn around 350k pre covid (no bonuses these days), in people leadership role. A mate of mine had his work sponsor his Tafe course when he was 19, is late 30's now and earns close to 500k! ATAR means jack all…its all about the individual ability and being at the right place and right time! Another family member, flunked the HSC and retired at 33 as multi-millionaire in construction (in the range of 20m+).
ATAR: 99.75
Age: Mid 20s
Occupation: Full-time Dentist
Annual after-tax wage: $62,561.98I felt like I could have studied harder at uni (nearly flunked a few times) and applied for more jobs. Instead, I lazed around in uni, getting into gaming, anime, and literature. After getting out of uni, I applied for just one job and accepted it… My colleagues all applied for multiple jobs and picked the ones that best suited them. At this point, I am not ambitious, okay living paycheck-to-paycheck. Depression comes and goes but I am gradually improving on that front, working on personal development and body transformation.
In school, I could have focused more on socialisation because my skills are now lacking in that respect. Zero dating experience and few friends, because my upbringing led me to believe that friendships and relationships made in primary/high/uni don't last.
My two cents on this… Regardless of the course you get into, get out there and build your connections with people.
Just some tips:
It's not a zero sum game, you don't focus on socialisation, then drop everything else. You can do both.
I've never heard of that saying re friendships, you may need to gain a different perspective.
It's good you're looking at personal development, I suggest just youtubing some high performance training/stoicism/dale carnegie to start off with.
Wouldn't be too obsessed with the after tax wage as you've probably got heaps of hecs in there.Just wanted to say, I really appreciate your tips.
You're right. Life's not a zero sum game; I played by the wrong rules in the past. The way I was brought up in an Asian family—friends and lovers in school don't last (was told repeatedly that friends made in uni are the ones that will become lifelong friends)—was something I could not control, but I have the power to gain a different perspective.
Having just watched a YouTube video by Aperture on Stoicism, I'm feeling heaps better about myself, and not obsessed about basing my self-worth on my financial worth. (I actually bought How to Win Friends and Influence People the other day. Waiting for its delivery, still.)
Yes, I do have 60k in hecs, but it will eventually be paid off. HECS is the good sort of debt—no interest, no deadline, and if you die the debt dies with you instead of being passed on to your loved ones.
damn dentists dont make much?
It's below the average for a dentist but within range as that's post-tax. So his gross is closer to $87.3k. I guess the dental money only rakes in if you start your own clinic in an area with demand.
Yes, the pay I get as a full-time dentist is among the lowest in all of Australia. The reason is that I work in the public sector, in VIC.
It is a misconception that all dentists are paid highly. As a rule of thumb, private dentists earn more than public dentists. And VIC public dentists probably earn the least of all Australian public dentists. My gross income is indeed closer to $87.3k. If I had been working in SA, my wage would have been closer to $100k. In WA, my wage would double. I suppose that says something about how much the government in each State/Territory values dental care…or perhaps it's just the relative cost of living?
Why do private dentists earn more? It is because they must source their own equipment and materials, so the added costs are handed on to their clients. That, and private dentists have the freedom to choose their fee schedule.
Public dentists get their funding from the government, so treatment costs are subsidised (and treatment is only for those who are eligible). For those who are eligible, each dental appointment entails a low flat fee (e.g. $30) but this fee covers any and all types of treatment that can be offered in each appointment. For instance, for a $30 hour-long appointment, you could potentially have three fillings done (which may have cost >$150 apiece privately).
The real dental money does only rake in if you start your own (private) clinic and it becomes successful. You'd have to earn enough to pay all your employees and cover all equipment, materials and insurance… imagine how much you'd actually have to earn to do all that. Also imagine if your business fails…
Anyway, I earn enough to cover what is essential and, well, what is enough. Hmmm… I think Stoicism is great! I shall become a Stoic. Not feeling depressed about my relatively low pay for once, and for ever.
@Lowfalutin: Still good I reckon. btw, random, haven't had my teeth checked in 5 years, might be toothless once I hit 30 lol
less lucrative if you want to stay in the city as a new grad. plenty of money once settled in / regional or rural. covid also would put a dent into the non-established dentists income. otherwise you're looking at at least 300k+
Atar 99.55, early 20s.
Just finishing up my last year of MD. Have intern job offer ($80 000 pa) lined up next year in WA. Hoping to get into a training program afterwards in internal medicine specializing in Cardiology.
TER 91(?) double degree in geoscience and computer science.
After completing it, I worked in multiple mineral exploration companies taking on different research and development roles; ending up back at uni sponsored through my workplace— completed PhD age 25 in applied computational physics. After the oil price plummeted, I ended up back in academia and spent about 9 years as a researcher and lecturer. I'm now in Data Science. Over the years I've turned down multiple better paying offers because I don't like humid weather.
It's been a fairly rewarding pathway to this point, however I can sense that I will be completely burnt out by 45. My plan B will be grow potatoes or something.
- 98 ATAR
- Graduated with bachelor in Actuarial
- Landed dream grad job in that field
Everything seemed good and dandy up until I actually started working full time in the grad role and been struggling with anxiety/depression ever since…
- Work is super mundane and unstimulating (spreadsheet monkey)
- Hate the office culture/9-5 schedule in general
After 1 year in the grad role, worked for a couple other companies in the same field and getting pretty much the same result: dreading work and the 9-5 rat race.
Mid 20s now and been unemployed for the past 1.5 years trying to figure out what I want to do with my life. I'm male so OnlyFans isn't even an option.
Used to think I was smart but now I just feel stupid because I have no career.
Try looking at working at startups (big or small).
Less likely to have 9-5 schedule and more flexible/remote working.
Better than nothing.
Don't want 9-5? No worries, you can have 9-9!
I'd quite happily work 9-9 at a job I love tbf
Maybe consider getting into research if there are prospects for that in your field
Did scored incase I decided to pursue uni. Didn’t pass high enough to get a score. Currently earn 6 figures as an apprentice.
I remember when I received my ATAR. I got a text message saying you got <30. I still got into a course that I wanted, didn't finish it and ended up working for the Government.
ATAR is never the be all and end all. If you got a poor ATAR and really wanted a specific course, wait until your a young adult and enter, as the ATAR isn't required.
UAI 74 was disappointed initially however went into B Commerce and worked to transfer to a better university.
Worked full time in global finance organisation in their call centre while studying part time, took 6 years to finish my degree however had better overall marks taking it slow and actually understanding what I was learning.
Managed to work my way up across a number of roles at the same company for 10 years, now Business Development across APAC. Currently 30 years old sitting on close to $200k.
That's a proper Ozbargain salary, only to be undone by the chap on Whirlpool who earns $350k
Are you feeling jealous?
I really hope those earning 200k+ are pumping the max allowable into concessional super. Although after a certain salary threshold it's a bit moot once you hit division 293 levels.
div 293 is a bit overblown..yes it sucks you have to pay the extra 15% but more importantly your gains inside super isn't taxed at the top marginal rate
I know, 30% still better than 47% and internal gains. I was just focusing on the threshold for the 15%-ers
Bahhhabnhaaaa
Mate those will retire millionaires in the 40s u kidding me ?
Next ull be recommending the extended warranty that’s already covered by consumer rights.
Huh?
I got 91 twenty years ago and it got me to doing a brain numbing job in finance, but paid pretty well.
Anyways after a few years, now I'm a stay at home mum… and I love it!93 about 11 years ago, enough to get into undergrad science. Took the postgrad pathway to medicine, and now half way through radiology training.
I'm 17 and my ATAR was 93 (raw 81), skipped a grade in High School but started to drift at senior year. Always was interested in Health and Medical Science however a need to financially support family led me into a job which could let me earn money fast so I could ignore the regrets of a low ATAR. Led myself into a double of Finance and Computer Science.
Absolutely hated the degree and bombed out first semester this year. Currently working a job in IT Marketing thanks to some help of an older sibling in the time being until I can get into Health and Medical Science next year.
Honestly regret the 6 months which I spent doing Finance because though there were some points which were interesting, I always loved Health. Now looking to get into an Honours in Speech Pathology.
Pay and money don't matter to me anymore, but can't ignore that Speech Path has a reasonable salary and somewhat decent career progression.
ATAR 70.1. University drop out (Information Technology, lower rung version of Computer Science). Low paid lab-factory job 10 years, then bought some Bitcorn early. Now at 38 years old, semi-retired with several properties on rental income and a bit of stash in a low-med risk managed fund doing 7-8% yearly return. Wish I held longer selling my Bitcorn, would have drug kingpin money now but have to be grateful. If not for dumb luck in Crypto, would still be at the Lab making $62k a year and no properties.
Did you grow the Bitcorn or did you buy it?
what brand of fertiliser did you use? nvidia or amd?
AMD
Your ATAR doesn't have to be a barrier. My HSC score was well below my ability, and ultimately made no difference in the long run. I earned two degrees and started my own business.
I used the mature-aged student pathway to enter my first degree. In my experience, it's a pathway that judged more on transferable skills and life experience than test scores.
For my second degree, again I was easily accepted as a mature-aged student based on my very relevant work experience. It probably helped that I finished my previous degree with distinction, which again shows how little relevance my HSC result had on determining my ability.