For example Nissan Skyline/ Silvia have increased in value over time, what other cars do you think will end up doing the same or holding value?
What Cars Do You Think Will Hold or Increase Their Value?
alex123711 on 28/12/2021 - 19:20
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@Daz91: There's no comparison to the amount and complexity of electronics in even a case model 2021 car and even the highest spec 1991 car. I'm confident I could fix any electrical failure in my '97 MX-5 for example myself. When my 2021 Kia Picanto is 24 years old (I don't believe there's any chance of it reaching that age) I think there's basically zero chance of me even finding the source of an electrical fault let alone fixing it.
And in 30 years time fossil fuel vehicles will be priced out of existence.
Not mention there’s not really anything special about an 86. It’s a good car, but OK, not exciting.
I saw it holding its value when it was first announced, was thinking of buying one new.
Cheap, RWD and common NA engine that already has turbo kits developed. A clean model will hold its value indefinitely as car enthusiasts look for a good baseline for a project car.
Nah to cheap and too many of them for them ever to be really collectable.
No way - too cheap, too many of them made and little-to-no enthusiast interst in them.
EK9, DC2R, NSX, even old EG civics are seeing price rises
FD RX7 spirit R
A mate is working on a Toyota MR2 (32 year old car). I reckon it will be worth a fair bit when finished.
Lada Niva
Don't be Russian into these. They are a true shitbox.
Ladas are absolutely rubbish. The Niva however is pretty rugged and capable. Possibly the best car to ever come out of Russia.
Just because it's the best car to come out of Russia does not mean it's not shit
V8 commodores have been doing very well the last few years since manufacturing stopped, i think supply vs demand since our population has been growing (covid) and new cars seem to be hard to get so all 2nd hand cars seem to have got a price rise
Good luck finding a cheap LS1 and be prepared to pay for it when you do find a decent one.
A lot of old Holden's and Ford have neared their top value and should stabiliser a bit now. I think the big increases in value will be the Valiant 4 door pacers they are already gaining momentum.
Older Landcruisers … Prices have gone nuts …
any low km pretty stock 4x4 thai built dual cab ute OR its suv variant like a mu-x, fortuner preferably not a triton
No. There will be a point where the market is saturated with these things and they will be worth scrap value.
All the big brands
I actually wonder about vintage car value in 10 years, when half of the western world will be driving EVs and petrol prices will be $4 a litre.
When you're paying $80k for a vintage car that cost $20k new, the price of fuel isn't a huge problem. Collectibles will be collected.
Most vintage cars aren't daily driven though (or at least they won't be once they've reached vintage status). I've put 2,000 km on my 'collector' car in 18 months - fuel usage is literally my lowest expense.
Here's a hot take. Early performance electric and hybrid cars. Why? Because we may end up in a world where ICE cars are no longer registerable, so if that's the case then the earlier cars from this period (or a few years ago) may end up as the only drivable 'classics'. Time will tell but in the UK I expect this to potentially be the case
I highly doubt it, it will just get to a point where the government has taxed ICE vehicles to the point that it's no longer practical to have them as everyday drivers.
Hopefully they bring in the per km road usage taxing, that was you'll still be able to keep an own these classics, but people will only drive them a few hundred kms a year having a negligible impact on the environment.
Anything with a Barra turbo or 2jz/1jz
Toyota Aurion TRD 3500 SL… there has been a healthy demand for it since last few years.
I suspect that while certain collectors cars/unique cars will grow in value, we are going to be facing the greatest mass devaluation of petrol automobiles in the next few years as the entire world moves away from petrol fuelled private road vehicles.
I imagine that a new car purchased today will be a fraction of its +5 year bluebook value in 2026 when people generally look to replace.
Probably not the vast majority of shit-boxes people are listing here.
AMG A45 of course
ND mx-5, or so I'll tell my partner when we need to get a car that actually holds a baby seat
But honestly I think it will if the next mx5 is hybrid or electric
350z/370z, they have surged 6-7k in the past year already.
That's literally just covid though, everything from an i20 to a LandCruiser has gone up substantially in the 2nd hand market. There will be a crash for 95% of them once supply catches up to demand in 12-24 months.
is it though? or maybe people know the 400z is coming and that ANY rwd manual car is going up and any JDM rwd 4wd performance thing is in fashion?
I get what your saying, it's just hard to say for sure at the moment and considering their price rise coincided exactly with when the rest of the market went up due to covid shortages… I'd say that's the safe bet at this point.
370z aren't going to get the huge bump we saw with skylines once they hit that 20 year (25 year maybe?) mark and were eligible for import into the US as the 370z was already sold there from new.
It's crazy at the moment, my father in law bought a brand new Yamaha's jetski in late 2019, put about 60hrs on it and sold it about a month ago for 2.5k more than he paid for it new. How many people can have ever said that about owning a jetski 😅
I think both factors are at play here. They are huge on the modding scene so alot of em are thrashed and dead. If you have a stock one they are becoming rarer and rarer.
C63S AMG - better yet, any of the V8 AMG's as they're going to be the last ones
i think the 4.0 v8 twin turbo ones very much less
they're going into everything inc. aston martins
and becuase every company is going to 4.0 v8s that's it actually kind of boring
the Urus for example
Holden Crewman SS V8 and VW Golf Mk 5 GTI
Make sure the Mk5 is a manual and 3 door and i wager you will be correct
E46 M3 CSL and like above any V8 German sedans
None. Most of current cars will be obsolete in a few decades. Only if you could keep a car (any car) very carefully so it can be treated as vintage in 50 years time. But that'll be for your next generation to enjoy the associated capital appreciation (if any). The electric cars (if they become mainstream) will also depreciate just like any other depreciable asset as the production will outweigh demand.
Don't forget about the holding cost - as in fixing things that will perish over time i.e. hoses, gaskets. Little tiny bits of plastic that will demand bulk labour to fix.
Parts availability is another, when things go NLA, NOS instantly skyrocket or when things make it into the say, Nissan's Heritage program, parts tend to go up a shitload like the N1 pumps or R33 GTR Series 3 front bumper lip.
Camry Altise 2010
Alfa Romeo 4c were going for 60k up until recently
Now people are paying that for a rav4 hybrid, that will be worth 30k as soon as the next model drops.
Toyota FJ cruisers, they were going up in value even before this crazy covid car market hit.
Any Porsches. Especially those you find in landfil.
The boat has pretty much sailed on the 90s cars and even the Honda S2000
So lets do manual transmission 2000+ and choose relatively affordable sports cars that have increased. But may weaken again before they go up.
Any 6cyl Porsche Cayman/Boxster
Porsche 911 996/997
Mazda MX5 (any generation)
Renault Clio Mk3 and earlier.
Renault Megane MK3 and earlier
Original Audi R8
E46 and E92 M3s
Alpine A110
Alfa 4CAnd heres some other cool choices that I wouldn't bet on. But I still think these will eventually go up a little and get some recognition longterm.
Volvo C30/S60 with the 5cyl engines
Audi TT (All generations)
370ZUnsure:
Toyota 86/BRZ (I personally owned a BRZ. And I couldn't stand the thing).Edit: Out of the above I have owned 3x Clios, BRZ, 2x Caymans, 370Z, 3x Audi TTs, C30, 5x MX5s. There is bias here obviously, but these are solid cars.
But I am super annoyed I missed out on getting a tidy S2000 while they were cheap.Contemplating importing an S2K, running it for 2-3 years or so and then possibly selling it.
Do you have any kind of a read on what a 2009 edition with 30000-40000 km might fetch?
Give or take $70,000. However being an import it might lower the price by 20-40%
2019 and prior BMW 140i - the last of the rear wheel drive, inline 6 cylinder hot hatches.
surely the only FR inline six hatch ever made?
a bit niche though
Only special cars with limited run and high demand. The rest are overinflated and will come down back to reality as soon as covid normal hits & the official interest rates rise.
Great comment. Its all about supply/demand - I expect "Normal" cars will drop back down, especially as supply of new cars gets back to normal.
Thanks Gaz1
I'd say most interesting NA vehicles, M/AMG/RS along with some HSV/FPV, of course the higher end brands as well. Its already happened, turbo's are everywhere, most recent performance cars sound like vacuum cleaners unless you're listening to the piped engine audio inside. If you want a car without a heart of boredom you need to look older now, no petrol head can say a C63 is meant to have a 2 litre turbo 4. In an ever approaching world of quiet electric vehicles the louder more interesting NA's will get a lot of market interest.
HSV/FPVs are very overinflated. A BA GT with 150K kms were like $18K last year. Now, many sellers are asking ridiculous prices on them just to profiteer. They are mass produced cars compared to many others and abundant. Plenty of HSV and FPVs for sale with circa 80K - 150K kms. Too much FOMO that has dragged the prices upward. Look at Carsales and you'll see many of these cars for over $50 - $90K FPVs and $110K+ HSVs just sitting for months now unsold. An XE ESP that is nearly 40 years old sold for $115K … you need many years for rarity and prices to climb. Not 12 months
Lexus IS, RC and particularly GS F will all go up.
Stock Evos, particularly VI to IX.
I think the V8 Falcons will go up a bit more to catch up with the Commodores.
the true limited exotics, McLaren F1, Veyron, Enzo, LFA etc.
996 generation 911s
Well kept rare 4wds. 3 door Pajeros and Prados, Landcruisers, Patrols.
i can only imagine the V8 Lexus F cars going up
no one gives a shite about the fours and sixes realistically… unless its 2jz no shit
Cars have hit thier peak and the majority will drop in 2023.
Shrink wrap anything fro Stellantis and wait for museeums to bid…
I sold my R34 GTR V-spec about 15 years ago for around 50k after about 6 months of overship, paid 64k for it.
ouch
oh man… so sorry
tell us you used it to put a deposit on a house thats worth a million
I bought my first house over 20 years ago when houses and cars were much more affordable thankfully.
I went through a car phase in my 20's and the R34 was always my dream car, once I owned it I really wasnt interested anymore hence I sold it and that was the end of that phase. I had a 33 gtr before the 34 but my favourite 2 cars I ever owned was a spec-r s15 and 06 wrx sti, weren't anywhere near as fast but much more fun to drive to be honest.
@immortalbjr: this is what I'm scared of, finally owning my dream car after years of working and yearning for it just for it to be boring after all. I'll be devastated
@bakemon0: Everyone will be different but for me the thought of owning it was more enjoyable than actually owning it, ive found that with most material things in my youth. That short high you get from buying something generally only lasts a few weeks or months if that. After I sold my 34 I was over cars and just bought a 4wd/suv type car and stopped blowing so much money on cars.
Thankfully for me I had enough of that by the time I hit late 20's now I just put my money back into my business to either try make my work life a little bit easier, or make a little bit more profit. I find that much more rewarding than anything ive ever purchased in my life.
The only exception for me now is spending money on holidays/getaways with my family now I have a kid. I value and treasure those memories more than any material object. Time is the one currency you only get once, you can always make more money.
Literally any car that is popular with young people.
Either the car teenagers and people in their 20s dreamed of owning (new), or the cars they actually owned as 15 year old rust buckets. Once those people turn 40 to 50 they'll have plenty of disposable income and want to relive the golden years of nostalgia.
It doesn't have to be a good car, or expensive. It just has to be in really good condition.
The one catch is if you're investing in vehicles don't forget storage costs, maintenance, leaving the car alone and not driving it, insurance, and most importantly: inflation. People look back on classic cars of the 1970s and the sky high prices commanded by such vehicles, but forget when inflation is factored in, a vehicle from the early 70s must be sold at 10x its original price just to break even.
Historically that seems to be what happens.
I wonder what percentage of teenagers & people in their 20's have an interest in the current classic cars.
If not, the really high prices of the current collectable classics could fall as demand falls.There's a sweet spot for most collectibles: sell them while the target audience is still alive and is flush with money.
Some cars are popular with all age groups, but generally speaking you won't get a 20 year old excited about a car from the 1970s, but a 60 year old will remember driving one, or being driven in one, and the 60 year old has money to buy a fine example. But in another 20 years that market may flatten and even start dying, as the target customers are also dying.
Mostly true. There are exceptions such as the original Z.
GTR32 will be well remembered and appreciated.
GR Camry if they make one. 2006 manual Corolla hatchback.
There is a long list of opinion here. I think "All ICE vehicle" sums up the all the post above and below.
Lego cars, I got some that are worth 30-100% more now
Easy to store too.
XR6 Turbo.
Yeah big time
Civic's are a "hype" car that are already starting to appreciate. Friend that owned a car import yard said they also rust easy. So storing clean examples might be an option.
reliable v6 not in production like aurion
I don't think a high volume (and dare I say "boring") car like the aurion will ever be a collectable classic.
I think reliability is not high on the requirements list for most classic car enthusiasts.Completely agree. I've owned a Mitsubishi Magna and two 380s. The Magna and the first 380 were modified. I've been on a couple of owner groups and you get the occasional spruiker claiming they're about to be a classic. Surprise surprise - it's never happened. Sure there's some interest in the Ralliart and TMR 380s, but the rest of the range is largely forgettable. And I don't mean that in an offensive way either - I wouldn't have owned three of them if I didn't think they were good cars - it's just that they weren't really enthusiast cars back in the day, meaning that it's hard for them to maintain a following now that they've aged.
I wonder what will happen with petrol stations as electric cars become more common.
I guess many stations will close due to lower demand for petrol & some will convert to quick charging stations?
Presumably petrol will become more expensive, but that won't really make too much difference to the classic car enthusiast that only takes their car out for a run on a Sunday.Assuming we are talking true 'drivers cars'. Old well kept M3's. E30, E36, E46 and even E92's, anything newer and the future isn't so bright.
Any SS commodore (Incl HSV) or XR falcon will keep increasing in value as they will continue to be collectable. Values may plateau after COVID but anything interesting and Australian is guaranteed to be collectable in the future. Ordinary povo packs may not go up with the exception of the mighty AU Falcon which has finally found its cool.
Virtually any Porsche. People are nuts over them and you see second hand late model macans selling for higher than new.
BMW M-sport cars with manual transmissions.
Mitsubishi Pajero (now discontinued and replaced with Pajero Sport)
Golf GTI's with manual transmission. DSG's will age and become very problematic and become the Alfa Selespeed.
The BRZ/86 has been debated but I reckon it will go up. Enthusiast cars are disappearing and being replaced with overly complex hot hatches or SUVs (vomit). The market may not go crazy but like the MX-5 there will be a small enthusiast segment to keep it bubbling along. Automatic versions won't hold their value.
I don't understand the reasons behind people buying sport cars in automatic…
I think automatics are fine for some sports cars that are a bit more on the GT side of sports. For example I would probably opt for automatic in something like the new Toyota Supra (as if there is a choice, but its got a great auto in it) and the new Mustang GT. Everything else probably should be auto. Maybe the I30N with the fancy 6 speed wet DCT could be worthwhile as it comes with a long warranty but I would be scared of the breakdown cost after warranty.
My friend bought the new Supra in automatic too
Well your not on a race track for starters and there is a speed limit. You can't use a sports car to it's full potential on the road. Personally after driving trucks (18 speed road rangers etc) for 20 years it's nice not to change gears and enjoy the trip and the company. Also for some people they can focus more on other things such as traffic, lane position etc.
Wet clutch DSG will never become the Alfa selespeed, because they are generally reliable, and can do many hundreds of thousands of kilometres, but also they are good gear gearboxes, even the MkV Golf GTI DSG was a super fast box by today's standards.
Mitsubishi Pajero (now discontinued and replaced with Pajero Sport)
I think the earlier model Pajeros will be looked upon quite fondly. The later models not so much. I ended up buying a Pajero Sport and test drove it back to back with the Pajero (and a MU-X). It was disappointing to see how far the Pajero had dated - and more particularly, how much Mitsubishi had neglected it, as it still had some strong points to it. For what it's worth, you could could say the same thing about a 79 series Cruiser, but at least they have a V8, and extensive aftermarket modifications available.
No one that seriously said any kinda of Camry should be allowed to post here :p the Camry is the enemy to all car enthusiasts.
This is Ozbargain 91rs. You could come here asking “which hypercar should I buy?” and people will straight-face reply with “Camry sportivo is the best hypercar”.
Just hold onto any car for long enough and it will go up. Nostalgia and rarity will always win. As most new cars will be silent electrics. I'd be looking to go for cars with noise, manual gearbox, cars that make you smile.
Surprised no one has mentioned Mustangs - given there are a crapload of them around but with the new platform coming out in 2023, which may be awd if you read the hype, would the last batch of the manual Coyote NA v8 rwd hold its value, esp some of the limited edition models?? I’m sure this will get a lot of Mustang haters comments about poor build quality etc…but will it become like the Commodores again when they introduce hybrid and full electric engines???
You know before the pandemic I saw several V8 Mustangs, could have been demo cars but I think they were brand new, for something like 45k on the dealers lots. Wish I'd grabbed one. I think most of them were the 6 speed autos, but there were 10 speeds for under 50k too.
The first two months when covid hit was great.
Saw dealers flogging under 3yr old stis for under 40k. One 2017 one sold for 36k around dec19 or jan20. Been going for crazy money since.
Weeks into covid paid $9,300 for a hilux 2 door entry level workmate with 87,000kms 2015 model if I sold it today I’d get $16,000 with 105,000kms
Utes went up an average of 40% during the pandemic.
Friend of mine paid $58,000 for a new golf r and sold it for $65,000 with 14,000kns after a year
Did someone say Westpac + High Yield Investment?
Jaguar E-Type
Already an iconic collectable…
video games have been a pretty good investment lately
Not sure why you think that. 80s and 90s cars are also packed with electronics which fail and can be repaired if necessary. I’ve had boards for my car recapped.