For example Nissan Skyline/ Silvia have increased in value over time, what other cars do you think will end up doing the same or holding value?
What Cars Do You Think Will Hold or Increase Their Value?
alex123711 on 28/12/2021 - 19:20
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how much more ownership cost compared to non-v8 version?
subaru wrx
I've been watching my $1500 93 Subaru Liberty RS Turbo climb in value through insurance alone. Agreed value is at like $7500 now. Market value for a replacement would be around $10k for a cheapie.
How does that go these days? I had a similar year GX back many many years ago and the pneumatic suspension started to go, the headliner was drooping (this was around 2000). Always liked seeing the rare RS on thr odd occasion.
It goes great. I've kept it well maintained. It's a real joy to drive. I just re-did insurance today actually and the agreed value they gave it was $14,500! Not a bad investment so far lol
RS Liberty - Hold on to that, its a thing of beauty.
I sure will. It's a great car for the winding and long drives in Tassie. I've had it over a decade now.
I miss mine, but glad it's in good hands as a track car elsewhere now.
Don't see many on the roads these days sadly.
Seen V5 STI triple in price in the space of 3 years. I was naïve wanting one as a resto project. However they've seem to have peaked last this year.
Now current gen STI are insane, google "Subaru sti final edition for sale".Seen my 2017 STI go up 20K from what I bought it. People not liking the new model, last of the ye olde EJ motor
As an owner of a 2015 STI I’d love to want to agree with you, and I dare say current resale values also agree in that they are quite decent atm though disproportionally due to current availability issues across the entire market. The new WRX platform was woefully underwhelming and bodes poorly for the new STI, so stands to reason that the last gen STI’s may become “collectors” but I sadly feel that there is a dying level of Subue connoisseurs (read fanbois) and appreciation for these types of cars, which stacked up against any current reasonable competition, generally loses out. Performance is limited due to increasing power requiring more $$$ to ensure reliability and then there’s the dreaded ringland failure if you want to squeeze sub 4.0sec figured. Subaru seem to have given up on performance and focusing on mass produced crossovers and family sedans. They’re following Mitsubishi’s playbook and sadly future car enthusiasts will prob not even include Subaru in their list “performance brands” just like some teenagers now not even knowing what an Evo is. I hope I’m wrong, and love driving my Rex, as the handling is something else but at the 6 year mark, im toying with selling now whilst the price is good as I don’t think it’ll appreciate much more, but as a Subie fan Im happy to proven wrong.
Still is a huge following of these cars, will always been for our generation. I was getting people asking me about my old WRX at the servos if I wanted to sell it. You can put any classic car in your argument and might look true but price doesn't reflect, supply is always dwindling even if demand is same or decreasing, price will still increase.
That said I didn't buy it as investment, dont care about high yield or performance metrics (my STI has a toddler seat), I just love these cars.
This one will be interesting. The WRX sold so well in Australia, I think Subaru basically sold more WRX's than other Japanese brands sold sports cars combined. Over 50k in Australia alone. That's why the WRX is getting a new model and basically all of it's competitors have died off (some of them have even died, and then revived).
Surely the abundance of supply of these will cap WRX prices
You've come to the right place to ask. Plenty of people around here driving 80k+ high yield investments
Only these starting off in the investment banking entry position.
They worked for Westpac. There is no investment banking there.
That makes sense. Cheers.
This never gets old haha…..
Old falcons, old commodores, old hotrods
first model Excels
i regret driving my LH Torana to the wrecker at its end of life.
i regret giving my VH Commodore to my nephew as a paddock bomb.I regret not buying an A9X for $12.5k when I had the chance. Was a lot of money way back then (more than I could afford) and my parents talked me out of it. Hindsight hey.
Be nice to have an OzB deal on some hindsight…. or a time machine. :(
We used to paddock bash toranas and … Gulp, Jimmys HT monaro :'( in the early 80s' got our hands on a Capella - with plastic wrap still on the interior… body had rusted out but interior would be worth a fortune these days.I hear you, I test drove an XA hardtop in 1981, it was $1500. My father said to get a Marina, same price, but heaps cheaper on fuel :( , one of the only pieces of poor advice he ever gave. A couple of years later, I went my own way and bought a 79 XD Falcon S pack - its still stashed under the house, a beast to drive, and has appreciated nicely.
There was a $50 EK around that time too, five of us put in $10 each, and like apsilon, we paddock bashed it all weekend before driving it into Lake Macdonald on a Sunday afternoon. That was probably a mistake, but seemed like a good idea at the time.
Porsche
(not the suv's so much though)
997 GT3 4.0
Anything with a cult following, as well as a limited production or no longer producing.
E.g
Skylines, especially GTRs - already gone up a tonne
Evos are now going up like mad.
Chasers
Not to familiar with Eurosall old yotas are going ballistic. bought my 92 MR2 2 years back for 12.5k. now floor price is 20K+++
Anything old and Aussie or rare JDM.
Even the formerly not so rare JDM cars like the S15, used to be peanuts and now cheapest one on carsales is $39k!
It kills me! I'm in a position now where i'd be happy owning a 180sx, they were about $8k at the lower end 10 years ago.
AU falcon
Series I only
Forté.
You okay? Why the droopy face?
Touché
Well they can't really go down in value.
Citroën DS, Especially the convertible.
1935 Duesenberg SSJ
Or put it this way, the current owner hopes it will.
InB4: all the Tesla fanbois turn up and try and tell us that their Model S and X are worth more now than what they were sold for new…
You have to look at what is popular now in todays youth. These are the cars that will be popular in the long term. Toranas, Kingswoods, Commodores and Falcons etc… are popular now because of all the boomers. Skylines and Supra prices are more driven by the Gen X crowd. It’s all about early 90’s vehicles at the moment.
Other bankable brands I keep an eye on outside of cars are Ducati, Harley Davidson, Vespa with some Japanese models thrown in for the right models. Mid 90’s bikes that were hard to give away a few years ago have gone through the roof due to Gen X coming into hand me down Boomer scraps and Covid. Some of these bikes are now selling for more than their original purchase price back in the 90’s.
I'd be guessing anything manual and petrol. 2 features expected to die soon. Think Golf GTi, Yaris GR, etc
10yrs from now the fanbois will want them
Turbo hot hatches are going to be the in thing. RS Focus, XR5 Focus for example. Things like the 86/BRZ will be the Celica of now. Even some of those shitbox French cars will get some status. Megane RS, Peugeot GTi will appeal to the right people in a few years.
Turbo hot hatches are going to be the in thing.
Can't imagine turbo hot hatches being something that will end up having a cult following though.
Their philosophy is the exact same philosophy of EVs (i.e. more power). Most people I know who buy a Golf R (or similar) just want a car that is quick off the line when they put the foot down. There's always going to be faster cars, and IMHO the Tesla Model 3 will practically kill the hot hatch market.
Think what the appreciating cars have in common is the character - something about the way that they drive, handle…etc. that reeks a sense of nostalgia and yearning for a time gone by. FWIW, I get much more of that feeling zipping an MX-5 around back mountain roads than I do a Golf R, great straight line speed, but it's built to be fast, not fun. Having been a passenger in a (car enthusiast) friend's S2000 not that long ago, doing some spirited driving on windy roads, it's definitely the character that makes them desirable.
Can't imagine turbo hot hatches being something that will end up having a cult following though.
Golf R is an appliance but Golf R32 is something interesting. He's talking older hatches with manual transmission. Honda Civic and intregra type Rs add to list.
@p1 ama: Your whole last sentence describes most hot hatches (FiST, FoST, RS, Megane RS etc.).
These cars are not fast. They're built for handling and fun. Would expect them to appreciate (for example, refer old integra type r)
If it were 20 years ago I'd agree, but the Celica was pretty disliked even when it came out.
I reckon the 86/BRZ will be one of the last NA manual cars you can buy and the values will hold up especially now that P platers can't aren't allowed to drive them anymore
@cille745: Agree on the 86/BRZ. There is a sports car purity to the 86/BRZ that not much will come close to. Hot hatches are dime a dozen.
This, its about gen X poster cars and 90s JDM and JDM rare oddities (eg Autozam, toyota century etc…). Older WRXs, EVOs, Honda Type Rs as well as the after mentioned GTRs, Skylines, anything with a drift tax. Cant go wrong with anything thats homologation car (eg Stratos, Delta, GT4 etc…)
Domestic muscle is insane gain, even boring Commonwhore V8 asking silly money.
Its about nostalgia, depends what you want it for speculation or actually own. Ive driven a lot of these classic cars and personally a lot are shitboxes more so when compared to modern cars IMOs
I pulled up next to a guy in a Century a few weeks ago, I rolled the window down to chat to him but he wasnt interest. Must be the first car guy I ever met who didn't want to talk about his car
Probably was on his way to or from a coup
Other bankable brands I keep an eye on outside of cars are Ducati, Harley Davidson
Definitely agree on this one. Used Panigale 899/959's prices remain stubbornly high and absurdly its cheaper to buy HD brand new than second hand.
I wonder wether we may have reached peak for fossil fuel powered vehicles. emission tests and standards will be imposed and fuel prices will rise. They will drive current vehicles to become specialist hobby vehicles and expensive to run and register. Electric vehicles will be the norm. Retro fitting EV to existing ‘hero cars’ is where the future lies.
But, the most expensive hero cars of the time seem to be what middle aged buyers wanted but couldn’t afford in their 20s. Effectively the cool cars from 15-30y ago. the cars of that age are getting rare, but still around.
But, the most expensive hero cars of the time seem to be what middle aged buyers wanted but couldn’t afford in their 20s. Effectively the cool cars from 15-30y ago. the cars of that age are getting rare, but still around.
That's pretty much it. If you haven't already bought then you've missed the boat. Cars of today are like whitegoods, they're all the same, nothing exciting or different. Manufacturers don't take risks or make anything niche any more.
The BRZ/86 is one of the few risks I'd say that aren't mass made econoboxes in that it's a rwd NA engine that's relatively affordable and somewhat quick when everything has gone the way of forced induction and in that price range is fwd.
(Stock) BRZ\86's (they're all 86's to me) are the new Tesla owners, they're a pretty average and underwhelming car.
It's not going to be a hero car for the bulk of car people, maybe some of the younger crowd who have already had them when they came out as mum and dad bought one for them but overall it doesn't fit in that list.Unless it was bought and then stored and maintained its unlikely there will be a line of people wanting to pay you money for it.
Cars of today are like whitegoods, they're all the same, nothing exciting or different. Manufacturers don't take risks or make anything niche any more.
Very true… look at the zillions of Dual Cab's on th road.. just about interchangeable parts… Old Harold Scruby must be crying in his pedestrian council office
Retro fitting EV to existing ‘hero cars’ is where the future lies.
If you want to kill the value of your collectable, sure.
I disagree that it will kill the value, it depends how it's done.
Buy a collectable car, then remove the fuel tank, remove the engine and then insert a battery and electric motor to drive the existing running gear. Hell, they'll even get sophisticated enough to stay within the same power and torque figures of the originals so they don't wreck the original components.
Then you can have the engine kept as a part of the collectable that gets sold with the car.
As long as the work is reversible, I don't see why this would lower the value, people have been modernising cars suspension, brakes, even fuel systems for decades, this is just the next generation.
It doesn't matter what the mod is, whether it's beneficial to the experience or not, modifications almost always decrease the value of rare/collectable cars.
Disagree. It’ll get to the point where having a fossil fuel collector car is something that is barely drivable. Having an everyday drivable version will be worth more, especially if it has a box of parts to put back in for pUrITy
The people who are collecting them wont see the pay to play price being a barrier (fuel and ongoing maintenance) and will still be able to keep them going.
Collectors don't daily drive the cars they collect, they're occasional cars and when not being driven are stored and looked after.I can appreciate the work and engineering that goes in to some of the conversions to EV however i've not seen one that I'd want as a daily.
@91rs: There’s always going to be the super rich collectors that just like to hoard stuff in manicured museum spaces. Those are limited to super rare and expensive cars.
I suspect the OP is talking about what more regular people will be chasing so OP can try to purchase one or two to make a buck. Those are the cars out of price range for a 20y, but achievable for the mid life crisis splurge.
If there is a peak we are already passing it, a lot of models now come in 4cyl that used to come in 6cyl.
Theres no room for cheap mods when the car comes from the factory with a twin turbo 4 cyl engine instead of an NA 6cyl.
Still plenty of mods you can do for more power - if that’s your thing. It’s never really been cheap to mod stuff. It’s just changed the way you get more power.
Ferrari F40 and other exotic euros from that vintage.
These cars have increased substantially in recent times. I wonder if todays kids still want these in the future (when they are old enough to afford them).
Perhaps there will be collectors that will always see the value.Yes I want a red f40. Now!
When i looked turn of the century the last one I saw m australia was $740,000 aud. What a bargain. I'd do a lot to get one at that price now
ha, in 2019 there was silver F40 on sale for 3.000.000 AUD and as I heard their phone was red hot with people happy to pay that money
@corvusman: Yeah sad story. I don't have a clue how the market moves this way. Just oil sheiks outdoing each other?
No sane person increase the value of something they want by so much in so little time.But silver, yeah, I'd like to offer 1/3 of the price please :P
Waits for a sift kick to the nads from seller
VL Turbo
LV Turbo
Toyota Camry
corolla '95
Collectable.
Holden VS Commodore.
If it's got a V8 then hell yeah
Hyundai Excel
Mazda 121
Joke all you want, X3 Excel prices are 3 or 4 times higher than they were a few years ago. Good straight twin cam models are desirable as the base of an excel racing series car.
I wasn't joking
Toyota Celica SX early 90's = worthless (i have this one)
Toyota Celica GT4 early 90's = worth a bloody lot ( i don't have this one)even the normal civic ek hatch gli/cxi also increases in value despite not being the type-R / vti-r b16a
depends which model, they'll all have gone up - but the St185 didn't seem that rare, whereas genuine ST205 version only had a very small number brought in and they're rare as hen's teeth. I wish driver safety could be sorted so Group B could come back to life, that was an amazing era.
Basically anything made in the 90s with a turbo in it. Bonus points if it’s rwd or awd. Nationality doesn’t really matter anymore. Extra bonus if it’s a homologation car.
Evo X maybe?
EVO 9 was better and the pinnacle for Lancers.
The lack of Evolution to the WRX, is like Goku without a Vegeta.
Take a look at the current prices of the R35 GTR
Cars that appeared in the Fast and Furious series is perhaps not a bad way to look at it.
FWIW, I think it's the "drivers' cars" of the 90's and 00's that simply are not made anymore - you have the typical WRX STi / Type R / Evo, but I'd also add cars like the S2000. Most of these have already started going up in price though.
If you're trying to speculate on what in-production cars now that will skyrocket in the future, it'll probably be the 86 / BRZ.
GR Yaris
Anything from Initial D…
Daewoo FTW
Rx7’s for the win!
I don't think anyone here is answering OP's question properly, so let me start
BRZ/86
Why? Because the 2nd gen has raised the price ceiling and is now officially non Pplater friendly, yet fundamentally isn't too different to the original. This means the gen1/facelifts should hold their value around $15k for a shit box all the way to $38k for a pristine loaded example in the next few years
they might go up but it will be 30+ years
The problem with modern vehicles is they're packed with electronics and it's likely an electrical failure of some kind will be what ends a vehicles life. Cars from 20+ years ago were much simpler. A new circuit could be made to achieve the same thing, probably even better than it was. That's why I'm of the opinion there won't be any modern classics.
Agree with this. Have a few commodores in great condition stored and occasionally driven. VR and VT. If something fails parts are easily repaired or cheaply replaced. Anything from 2010 onwards that becomes a lot more difficult.
@Muzeeb: I hope you have a collection of spares. Anything that's not making the wreckers money will get crushed eventually. Once the 90's commodores get rare enough that no one wants spares then they'll go the same way. They're already getting rare on the roads.
@macrocephalic: There are companies popping up in China and elsewhere that will happily manufacture any part for you, either from sheet metal or fibreglass.
Yes, you pay the nose for it. But there is a steady stream of parts.
@guidedlight: Yeah I suppose anyone with a suitable CNC can make most engine parts - but like you say, it comes at a cost.
@macrocephalic: A lot of the more iconic JDM models many parts are still being produced by the OEM. Some have even launched refresh programs where they'll take a vehicle back and completely renew it. I know Mazda last year announced 270ish parts were being made available again for the NA MX-5 and many parts for them were already still available.
Any super/hyper car with a limited production run.
V8 cars when we’re in an all-electric world. Mad max style.