How to Get Promoted Quickly?

Ldummyboy87 on 02/03/2022 - 20:54
Last edited 02/03/2022 - 20:56

I joined my company about 5yrs ago.
People around me are generally younger, but hold more senior positions than I do due to (1) me changing industry and (2) me being new to the company.
That didnt sit well with me, taking instructions from someone younger, and for the last 5yrs I have been working my a** off to try to catch up, experience/knowledge wise.
The culture of the company also meant that (1) no one supported my learning, I literally worked 15hrs day trying to join the dots and getting paid for 8hrs only and (2) people dont like sharing information unless they know they need something from you
Today, I am finding myself doing all the heavy lifting at work. I am pretty much running the team despite not being the head of my team.
I had to develop solutions to all the problems that came to us, and my manager wasnt impressed probably because it was obvious I was outperforming him
None of my proposals ever got rejected and they all ended up being presented as a team's idea. Fortunately no one from my team could ever provide details when questioned by senior management (despite all the knowledge sharing sessions, the knowledge gap is frankly very wide), so people higher up naturally knew it was my work when they had to come to me for answers.
I am also spending lots of time teaching the juniors about what we do and helping them connect the dots (something that people didnt think was important when I started)

Now my whinge:
I learned that one of my younger co-worker, who was free riding got a promotion because he had applied for a role externally and my company made a counteroffer.
For the last 5yrs, I was just hoping to be recognised and given my promotion. Last year, they let me down. Everyone knew I was the go to person and yet they just gave me a payrise but nothing else. This year I might / might not get the promotion that I am longing for, but again I feel like I am taken for granted because I always kept my head down and wanted to get things done - so that i can do and learn other stuff thats new.
I dont know why do companies only offer their employees a promotion / payrise, especially when they are about to leave? Are they actually setting the incentives wrong or am I doing something wrong? My previous company was the same - 20% counteroffer when I accepted my current role. Before my resignation, I was getting the standard 2-3% rise every year in line with other employees.

Whats going on?

Education & Work

Comments

  • tsunamisurfer on 02/03/2022 - 20:59
    +166

    I may be cynical but my observations so far is the promotions do not necessarily go to the most hardworking productive people.

    The ones that often get promoted are those that do have a body of work but excel at selling themselves.

    They will have coffees with the boss, network very well, make connections with various departments, talk a lot and yes even take credit for work not necessarily theirs.

    Those that are head down, do the work and don't make a noise will get recognised for hard work but that doesn't translate to promotions or a big jump at review time.

    • apsilon on 02/03/2022 - 21:09
      +9

      Spot on IMO. Cosy up to the right people and heavily self promote.

    • chcse on 02/03/2022 - 21:11
      +8

      Same observations here. Company had a new role created, high pay high position, "open" application process but management already wanted one specific person for it so just had to tick the boxes saying that it was a fair process. What a sham. Granted, at least the person had sufficient skills but still has all the characteristics you described.

    • poboy on 02/03/2022 - 21:27
      +29

      And sometimes, if you are indispensable, they don't want to promote you and lose you.

      Personally, I switch companies to get promoted. That way the salary increase isn't anchored to your current salary.

    • Phlume on 02/03/2022 - 21:45
      +24

      Hit the nail on the head. I work in engineering and I observe so many talented and hard working individuals who contribute so heavily to projects passed over for promotion because they don't have the right professional relationship with their colleagues and management.

      • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 09:31
        +4

        Ex engineer - definitely my observation as well.
        My frustration was again doing all the tough work, no recognition for effort, and worse still, when things dont look right you know who the scapegoat is.
        The managers are just extroverts who hang around bosses (not to berate extroverts, i know a few that take their work very seriously too)

        • LightningMcQueen on 03/03/2022 - 11:43
          +1

          In one of my previous companies, whoever not very busy gets promoted, in other words not a critical resource. If you get promoted, it will be difficult for them to find a hard working replacement like you.

        • Nebargains on 03/03/2022 - 11:54
          +4

          Have you ever approached your manager and discussed a promotion, change in role, pay rise etc?

          If you don't ask, you don't get. If you just work hard hoping someone will notice you'll likely just be disappointed as you found out.

          • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 17:25

            @Nebargains: we can hint that we want a promotion, but there is no such thing as applying for it
            you are given a promotion

        • Jamesrulez1 on 03/03/2022 - 15:42
          +4

          The more you go up the less actual work you do and the more relationships you're expected to build with your team(s) or external clients. Working harder doesn't equate to management material.

      • philme on 03/03/2022 - 09:41
        +5

        ditto this, I'm in engineering consulting and the people glued to a desk or sweating it out on site never get any recognition. However, old mate who waltzes around the office striking up conversations with higher ups and goes to networking events tend to always be front and centre with promos.

    • lubos on 03/03/2022 - 08:08
      +17

      Those that are head down, do the work and don't make a noise will get recognised for hard work but that doesn't translate to promotions

      That's because they are the right people at their position.

      Colin Powell's book "It Worked For Me: In Life and Leadership" has great chapter on this topic. In nutshell he explains army is promoting people based on their leadership attributes, not based on how they do in their current position.

      One of those attributes is ability to delegate. If you are middle manager personally fixing other people (profanity) ups rather than delegating. You think you are great but from the point of management you are terrible.

      Of course, there are rotten companies that promote based on "who knows who" but in well-run organizations with some history, only leadership types get promoted.

      • Grunntt on 03/03/2022 - 08:36
        +19

        This is the thing so many people just don't understand.
        You don't get promoted for doing the work you were employed to do - even if you are better than others at it you are just showing that you are the best at your current job.
        You get promoted because you demonstrate that you have the skills to do the job that you want.
        Promotion should not be assumed to be a reward for doing your job well.

      • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 12:59

        totally agree with everything you said
        but the conundrum is - what if you delegate and no one could fix it and you end up having to attend to the issues yourself?
        im absolutely not saying ppl are dumb, but i find people lack perseverance these days that they give up when they see the problem as being difficult lol

        • darkmattersunB6c0MV on 03/03/2022 - 14:54
          +5

          I am sorry, but you do not deserve to be promoted. You have to change this.

          1. You are making yourself indispensible in your current role. This is number 1 reason that prevents you from being promoted.
          2. You are not planning for the future, try some upskilling and getting experience in the position you want. Industry certifications help esp if you have limited practical experience. ( You should try to get some practical experience as well- read #5 below).
          3. Learn to delegate. You cannot do all the work yourself as you grow- even if you are good at it.
          4. Learn to communicate- abstract out the technical complexity for the upper management.
            People love to talk to others who speak their language. You have to be your own publicity department.
          5. Besides doing your job well, what are your achievements? Have a talk with your boss and chalk out your career growth plan, and ask the company to support you for training and opportunities to work and learn via secondment.
          • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 15:40

            @darkmattersunB6c0MV: 1) that was never the intention - but yes ended up being the case
            2) thats what i am trying to do - the problem is I dont get to choose my team. my manager does. and after i delegated the work to co-workers, my manager would want me to review as if it came from me. and thats where i have to get involved because most would be wrong anyway. when my co-worker makes a mistake, i bear the consequence for not picking this up.
            3) yes i get it - i wanna get out doing the detailed work and take on a more strategic role
            4) yes thats what i have been learning how to do
            5) yeah one they promised to get me seconded earlier this year - didnt end up happening as too much work piling up.

        • bobbified on 03/03/2022 - 16:10
          +1

          what if you delegate and no one could fix it and you end up having to attend to the issues yourself?

          If that is a frequent occurrence (ie, the people can't do their job), then that means the team either needs more training or the hiring manager needs to to be sacked.

          • legendary-noob on 03/03/2022 - 18:09
            +1

            @bobbified: OP is saying his manager was hiring manager and sounds like manager was the cause of OP’s grief as well

          • donkeydoc on 05/03/2022 - 09:39

            @bobbified: 2) thats what i am trying to do - the problem is I dont get to choose my team. my manager does. and after i delegated the work to co-workers, my manager would want me to review as if it came from me. and thats where i have to get involved because most would be wrong anyway. when my co-worker makes a mistake, i bear the consequence for not picking this up.

            This is a problem, you should discuss this with your green manager, your team is under resourced based on skills and you keep picking up the slack which affects overall quality control that you should be focused on.

            I'd apply for another job in your position as your manager was newly promoted.

    • SF3 on 03/03/2022 - 08:48
      +15

      promotions do not necessarily go to the most hardworking productive people.

      ScoMo is a perfect example

      • Krankite on 03/03/2022 - 11:49
        +11

        ScoMo is very hardworking, unfortunately he sees his role as getting elected not running the nation.

        • gromit on 03/03/2022 - 15:26

          I would say he is doing a shithouse job at that, would be better off if he was a slacker. He only got elected because the opposition was even worse, it has been pretty much all downhill for him since then and practically any time he or dutton open their mouths they make it worse.

        • elektron on 03/03/2022 - 17:27

          As opposed to who?

    • Cyphar on 04/03/2022 - 16:12

      Yep nepotism is rife in office jobs. It's always who you know, not what you know, that gets you the promotions.

      For us that prefer to get recognition through our skills & experience, rather than sucking dick up the corporate ladder, your only way up is finding a new job.

  • zonra on 02/03/2022 - 21:00
    +78

    You can either do what they did to get promoted, or leave for another better role elsewhere (which is really what your coworker did anyway).
    One thing I’ve learnt is never try to fix the workplace, if it doesn’t suit you, leave.
    If you can’t afford to leave, well there’s your issue.

    P/s

    That didnt sit well with me, taking instructions from someone younger

    I’d say that’s not a good attitude for someone changing industry/career.

    • AustriaBargain on 02/03/2022 - 21:30
      +48

      Also not a good attitude for someone who is getting older every year. The odds of your boss and senior workers being younger than you go up every single year.

      • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 09:38

        Not in a bad way and would sabotage my co-workers
        I was just thinking that as someone older, you'd think you should know more and be wiser than younger people.
        It has been a major driver for me, pushing me to work extremely hard to catch up

        My boss is older than me and he switched from a different area to my team recently (still in same industry)
        I know he feels awkward each time we attend meetings with senior management
        He had to look to me for answers all the time even when those questions were directed to him

        I think its only natural - as long you dont have bad intentions, i think you can turn it into a powerful force to drive yourself

        • kerfuffle on 03/03/2022 - 09:51
          +15

          you'd think you should know more and be wiser than younger people

          You'd think so, but not all older people are more knowledgeable and wiser. Some in fact display less maturity than a child (like my ex-colleague)

          • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 10:25
            +1

            @kerfuffle: and thats exactly what I am trying to avoid
            i hope that i can keep up with the stuff around me and not be obsolete before i even turn 50
            constant self-reflection on how to self improve definitely helps

        • bobbified on 03/03/2022 - 11:11
          +17

          I was just thinking that as someone older, you'd think you should know more and be wiser than younger people.

          I've always been one of the younger managers. I have come across a few people like yourself who have a problem working with younger managers because they think they are older and wiser. I usually fix that by taking them through a day in the life of me and let them see all the shit I have to deal with.

          He had to look to me for answers all the time even when those questions were directed to him

          I do that all the time. I don't feel bad or awkward. Each person has a different role and the 'manager' doesn't necessarily have to know every single thing. Depending on what meeting I go to, I usually take a subject matter expert (SME) with me and I'll look to them for answers when there's questions relating to their field. I can definitely say that the SMEs I manage know much much more than I do. So what? My job is to manage. Their job is to be an expert at their field.

          • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 11:30
            -2

            @bobbified: my point on working with younger people is a self reflection - what did i do so wrongly that i messed up my career
            and therefore what should i do to get out of that situation
            its definitely NOT me hating managers that are younger than me

            on your second point, i dont disagree what you are saying
            in my case,my boss was supposed to be the SME. we are a niche team, with somewhat narrow specialisation and if you think the head is not the SME then i dont know where to draw the line.

            • bobbified on 03/03/2022 - 11:54
              +16

              @dummyboy87: I'm sure you don't hate them, but you've got the attitude in your mind that older people are wiser etc, etc. You may not say it out loud, but that attitude probably appears in your day to day behaviour or in the words you use without you even being aware of it.. Other people can probably see it though.

              I'm assuming you're about 35 years old going by the "87" in your username, so these 'younger' people you're referring to are probably not that much younger than you at all.

              I've read your replies throughout the thread. You say you're an introvert and you want nothing to do with office politics etc. As a manager, you don't have to like office politics, but you need to able to handle it in the right way. If you're really an introvert, do you think that's a good quality for a position in a role that has to deal with a lots of people (at all levels) daily? Because I personally think that that type of role is more suited to an 'extrovert'. The other recurring message I get from reading your comments and replies seems to be that you seem to think that you're better than everyone else.

              I'm starting to imagine you as the quiet guy in the office who walks around with a chip on their shoulder. lol

            • misu p on 04/03/2022 - 15:50

              @dummyboy87: Why would the boss be the SME in everything? I got a meeting invite today to talk about something that my team did. I immediately invited the junior in my team to answer any questions that I could not. There is no shame in that. I know the big picture, I do not know every implementation detail that they needed. I am very technical but I cannot be across everything. My boss for example is not technical at all (and younger), his job is to manage people not to be technical, for technical stuff he relies on me.

              Also about promotions, not everybody wants one, they come with more responsibilities. If you want one go speak to your manager, if you never raise the issue how would he know you want a promotion?

              My dad passes a promotion that he did not seek and they offered him. I did not get it at the time, now I do, it came with office politics, budgeting etc… he just did not care to do all of those. Just make sure you want that promotion.

        • buckethat on 05/03/2022 - 01:25

          Management isn't about having the technical skill to do the actual work.. It's having the skills to manage the people that have the technical skills.

          Of course you'll still want managers that knows their shit, and most good ones do.

          I'm not sure I'd consider 5 years to be 'new to the company'. Personally, once I stop learning in a role, I look to go upward by through either internal promotion or a new job.

    • kozb on 03/03/2022 - 13:04

      One thing I’ve learnt is never try to fix the workplace, if it doesn’t suit you, leave.
      If you can’t afford to leave, well there’s your issue.

      Thanks. I needed this today.

    • SierraBMel on 03/03/2022 - 23:32

      That comment about taking instructions from someone younger is the part of this post that gives me the most pause and makes me wonder how much nuance we’re missing from the full facts. We’ve all worked with someone who’s convinced that because of their age, or on paper qualifications or gender or surname or money, they’re being hard done by every time they miss a promotion or aren’t put in charge. And there’s no telling them that the problem is about everything except their demographic.

      Assuming OP’s story is basically accurate and not /that guy/ - there’s no getting around a shitty office culture. You’ll get a promotion when you’ve got leverage like an external offer or a stranglehold on crucial knowledge or something. But you’re probably better off leveraging what you can learn on the job to pick up a better paid gig somewhere else. Take your skills to resume build and job hop.

  • boomramada on 02/03/2022 - 21:00
    +21

    Fastest way to find an another job.

    • netjock on 03/03/2022 - 11:46

      OP even said it themselves.

    • Almost Banned on 03/03/2022 - 12:42
      +2

      Or to kill everyone at the company who is ahead of you.
      One or the other.

      • darkmattersunB6c0MV on 03/03/2022 - 14:59

        You should not be almost banned, but banned. :-)

      • subroc on 04/03/2022 - 14:28

        Don't forget to eat their brains to gain their knowledge.

  • chcse on 02/03/2022 - 21:08
    +5

    Yes, echoing others on don't expect promotion at your current role. Fastest and best way to get promotion is to find another job and climb up that way. There are barely any company that rewards loyalty anymore so don't make them take you for granted and leave you fixed in that position forever. Also sounds like your company culture isn't the best, so you might be better off moving somewhere else anyway.

  • dasher86 on 02/03/2022 - 21:10
    +17

    Sounds like OP is a work horse but doesn't know the way around office politics.
    My suggestion is find another job, loyalty is never really rewarded these days.
    If you want to stay at the company well, find another job and hope they counter offer to keep you.

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 09:49
      +6

      thinking about it more
      im probably annoyed when people get promoted for shenanigans like resign + counteroffer
      if the person is right for the role, he should be getting rewarded, not when he is leaving
      im an introvert, that just wants to get my job done properly, and not having to worry about playing games to get what i deserve

      • dasher86 on 03/03/2022 - 10:11
        +7

        So you hit the nail on the head.
        half of being promoted is not about doing the work.

        As you climb higher in the chain you will notice people are hired for being able to make decisions.
        Making decisions is hard when you have to navigate office politics, you can't get away from this being an introvert or not.

        More importantly have you asked for what you want?

      • Aureus on 03/03/2022 - 11:04

        You may not like it, but that is the way workplaces work. If you find another job and give notice, there will be a good chance you will get an offer to stay.

        I think you should start looking around for a different job. You have a lot of resentment for your current job and that is just not healthy. Much better to get another job where you feel you are being treated fairly. Don't forget to factor in the long service you will be missing out on when considering your asking rate for your new job.

      • darkmattersunB6c0MV on 03/03/2022 - 15:00
        +1

        Rule#1.
        If you resign, NEVER accept a counteroffer.

        • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 17:30

          absolutely! show some dignity

      • wtfnodeal on 03/03/2022 - 23:20

        LOL tell that to those loyal customers who renew their insurance policies without switching around or at least purchasing a new insurance policy from your existing insurer as a new customer. The world is about the more loyal you are the more you get ripped off and penalised. Just quit and leave those managers to deal with the questions they are no longer able to answer without you.

  • Mechz on 02/03/2022 - 21:11
    +6

    Take your skills elsewhere, use their counter offer to push up the salary package you get at the new place.

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 09:45
      +1

      Which is my point
      I mean morally, I should just focus on my work and my employer rewards me according to my performance
      We shouldnt be playing games - employers thinking that this guy cant go anywhere hence im giving just enough to keep him, and employees thinking that i need to jump ship every 1-2yrs to get my rise

      • djsweet on 03/03/2022 - 11:34
        +6

        Sadly that's not the way the world works anymore. Companies do not care about loyalty. Do you really think your company would have your back if they ran out of work for you to do? Just remember, your company is not going to be loyal to you in hard times. Don't misplace your loyalty. And if you were born in 87, you're not that old…

  • AustriaBargain on 02/03/2022 - 21:29
    +1

    2-3% is basically inflation, meaning it's no pay raise at all. You might consider brown nosing, getting your nose brown somehow.

    • Stephen2 on 03/03/2022 - 09:45
      +3

      Except inflation is through the roof last 2 years, so 2-3% is a pay cut.

  • randomusername2017 on 02/03/2022 - 21:35
    +11

    Now my whinge: ^^see above

  • plmko on 02/03/2022 - 22:04
    +20

    Don't fall into the trap of working harder, you'll wake up one day and be made redundant one and the same. It's all thankless.

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 10:11
      +2

      It has crossed my mind to just work smart
      But that didnt sit well with me - the perfectionist in me has forced me to make sure i attend to every single issue that was brought to my attention
      I just cant turn a blind eye

      • Limitless on 03/03/2022 - 22:16
        +2

        You have to pick your battles. Some issues aren't worth the fight.

      • shreav on 04/03/2022 - 18:59
        +1

        If this is the mindset you have then you are better off going into business for yourself. I mean, when you die do you think it'll matter how hard you worked for a company or how hard you worked for yourself?

  • spackbace on 02/03/2022 - 22:10
    +27

    OP's comments tell a different story…

    A month ago:

    dummyboy87 on 02/02/2022 - 17:29
    sounds like a bank doing innovation in banking system / platforms / app - just my blind stab in the dark

    it really depends on the job prospect
    i took a pay cut when i moved from corporate to bank
    was almost 15k and lost my LSL where i have 1yr left to go, even worse, we have something called RDO which was 26days off on top of our AL/SL entitlement
    first year was bad - quite demoralising despite me acknowledging the pay cut when i accepted the offer
    funny enough they said exactly the same thing RE highest offer and how i could catch up in few months
    took me 1.5yrs to breakeven
    now after 3yrs i am making 50k higher (assuming old job has no pay rise)
    but my hours are definitely much longer but it worked out well for me
    upshot is, only accept if you see better prospect, and be prepared to feel pretty sh*t when things dont go your way at work and you wonder why you accepted a pay cut in the first place.

    That's a $65k wage increase over 3 years, for those playing at home…

    So which is it?

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 09:57
      -6

      LOL I always wonder if people always go back and find previous posts / comments

      To put it in perspective, a single promotion is worth ~$50k including bonus
      And if you read my comments from above, I did say they gave me a payrise and nothing else
      And I regularly work 15hrs day, my previous role was a sweet 7.5hr job with 26 days RDO per year + 20 days AL + SL + flexi working
      Many might argue - it was my choice to work 15hrs (yes it was, for the $$)
      Imagine in a world where, work is just building up and your boss just constantly looks at you asking if you've done all of them
      They have increased the headcounts in my team as they noticed my hours, but i have trained 3 people in the last 2 years and all of them have left
      No one can put up with the workload in my team for the pay we are getting
      The way i see it, I take on the work of 2 employees, i get paid like 2x an average persons salary, which means that my experience / knowledge is worth nothing. I am paid for the hours I put in only.

      • Limitless on 03/03/2022 - 22:17
        +2

        sounds like you need to find a new job

      • amberstyre on 04/03/2022 - 19:59

        Have you tried telling them you're overworked and they need to hire more competent people? And also don't work 15 hours if its not making you happy - that is some outrageous overtime. You need to manage expectations better if you're unable to deliver on your promises.

  • Icecold5000 on 02/03/2022 - 22:17
    +24

    Whats going on?

    You are not liked.

    Politics > Hardwork

    Sounds like the younger employees are smarter than you to be honest.

    • Mechz on 02/03/2022 - 23:42
      +6

      Yeah, I wouldn't be doing extra hours for no pay in this job climate. Way too many jobs on offer.

    • OzFrugie on 04/03/2022 - 00:39

      When people say office politics, what do they actually mean? Esp in getting promoted

      • Icecold5000 on 04/03/2022 - 02:15

        It’s probably something you should look into

  • Adz81 on 02/03/2022 - 22:19
    +40

    Oh, sweet titty (profanity) Christ, this has to be a troll post.

    "Didn't sit well with you"? Taking direction from someone younger?

    That right there, that's why you're not getting promoted.

    • mskeggs on 02/03/2022 - 23:07
      +13

      Agreed. A very strange attitude, and will be seriously career limiting.

      • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 10:03
        -8

        Its not like I hated them - it was just a self reflection that how on earth did I not do as well as they did, career wise
        I just think that as someone older you'd want to be wiser, and naturally be more senior at work
        I'm happy to be singled out as a weird person - I wouldnt go out and sabotage to overtake them, I'd just use that "self-ego" to push myself to do better

        • Icecold5000 on 03/03/2022 - 13:00
          +2

          I think after 5 years of getting nowhere it’s time to move on. New workplace new change to make a good impression. Perhaps your attitude towards others, that you deserved promotion because of your age can be adjusted and you’ll learn to play the game. Don’t make the same mistakes with your new employer

          • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 13:11
            -1

            @Icecold5000: hard to believe but i never showed any resentment at work
            the only thing i do is to whinge to another colleague, who is in a different team
            funny thing is, she is an extrovert who gets things done as well, but her situation is worse than mine
            her team promotes all the others that go around and network while she is actually doing everyones job
            poor lady, older lady who genuinely wants to get things done but got sidelined and therefore seeing people overtaking with ease

            • Icecold5000 on 03/03/2022 - 14:28
              +1

              @dummyboy87: It is what it is and you’ve been sidelined. Don’t focus on why just get out and try again in another role.

              Don’t whinge to others at work. They are not your friends and could be feeding information back to others. Better to keep things on the DL and grease your way onto a promotion

              • StalkingIbis on 04/03/2022 - 07:58

                @Icecold5000: I used to play soccer with a team that would train on the same nights and get involved with the first team.

                There was a guy on my team who was always furious he wasn't playing for the first squad because he would come to training and run the laps harder than anyone on the first team.

                In his mind, being fitter and working harder at training meant he deserved a spot on the first team over the other guys.

                There was also another guy on my team who was seriously not very good. He had been at the club forever and knew all the coaches, players, managers etc. He was so bad! But somehow he was on our second-string squad and never at risk of getting dropped.

                Take from it what you want…

            • pjbargain15 on 04/03/2022 - 17:50

              @dummyboy87: David, is that you?

    • legendary-noob on 03/03/2022 - 18:46

      Probably a culture thing. I can definitely relate to this

      Used to work in a company which was quite political and management would just play the game with no focus on getting work done (government sector). Every 1-2yr there would be a major reshuffling because A doesnt like working under B cuz he is young and ego and show no respect so A moves under C and brings his whole team as well and team A has no clue what team C does but who cares someone’s cleaning up the mess anyway.

  • pegaxs on 02/03/2022 - 22:30
    +1

    Hard workers don’t get promoted. Why would you promote someone who does the most work for you at the best quality for the lowest price. You always promote the idiots because it makes the good workers try even harder to get promoted and you promote another (fropanity) over your valuable and skilled staff, the cycle repeats…

    And you employ younger people into positions like that because they are usually more willing to do a managers job at half the price of an actual manager.

  • pharkurnell on 02/03/2022 - 22:32
    +13

    I am pretty much running the team despite not being the head of my team.

    Stop doing what your not meant to and let it fail.. then those who should be leading will get their arses kicked not you. They obviously see you as a sucker who will just keep taking more and more shit and not complain… Many of us have been in those shoes.. I just let shit fail now.

    The more shit you take, the more you'll be fed

    • JIMB0 on 03/03/2022 - 09:03
      +3

      There's a lot of enjoyment to be had just watching the world burn.

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 17:34
      +1

      i'll probably do that when i leave my job
      until then, just not me to see things fall apart right in front of me
      i mean my stakeholders, from other teams, they have nothing to do with what im experiencing
      so im still keen to help these people out when my service is needed even if it means going beyond my role.

      • Limitless on 03/03/2022 - 22:20
        +3

        You complained about the long hours yet you are choosing to work long hours by picking up everyone else's slack….you really only have yourself to blame.

  • SydStrand on 02/03/2022 - 22:32
    +12

    Now my whinge:

    NOW for your whinge?

  • Caped Baldy on 02/03/2022 - 22:51
    +1

    Seems like you should jump companies..

  • kanmen on 02/03/2022 - 22:58
    +3

    Have you asked for one?

  • KaTst3R on 02/03/2022 - 23:32

    There is much more than just working hard. You have to be a master manipulator and very good at managing politics. Unfortunately that is the reality of things.

  • deme on 02/03/2022 - 23:39
    +6

    That didnt sit well with me, taking instructions from someone younger

    Skill issue.

  • altomic on 03/03/2022 - 00:02
    +4

    insert <Clown Make-Up meme>

  • Derrick Crane on 03/03/2022 - 07:43
    +3

    Have you considered marrying the boss' daughter?

  • Hithere on 03/03/2022 - 07:45

    I thought I was on Whingepool reading OP's post.

  • Overclocked91 on 03/03/2022 - 08:04
    +4

    The others in your workplace might be able to develop better relationships with people and prove to be better leaders. Regardless of their age. If you think you deserve more, have a meeting with your boss about your future and where you can improve to get into a higher role. While doing that organise a resume, start applying and see what else is out there. If you don't want to do that, be quiet and listen to your boss.

  • capslock on 03/03/2022 - 08:13

    How can someone change their personality from the hardworking quiet type to the loud confident type? Or is this not realistic and it is easier to just job hop?

    • dummyboy87 on 03/03/2022 - 10:20

      i think its possible if the culture was right.
      i think the way the society SHOULD work is you have introverts working on solving problems and you have extroverts working on presenting and communicating the solutions. Very often these days the extroverts get valued more even though introverts' contribution to the entire process is the same as extroverts, just in a different way.

      I have also reflected this to my ex-manager.
      When they hired us, their main criteria was good at math / quant with degree in engineering etc
      Naturally 100% of my team (team of 4) when I first joined was ISTJ according to that Myers-Briggs Indicator
      Yet when it comes to promotion they expect us to be more social and go around building network like a complete opposite
      Its like judging a monkey for its swimming skills LOL

      • Icecold5000 on 03/03/2022 - 13:07
        +1

        Yet when it comes to promotion they expect us to be more social and go around building network like a complete opposite

        Look it’s going to be adapt or die for you. Just fkkn pretend FFS because it’s what everyone else does.

        You can LOL until the cows come home but you’re the one with no promotion after 5 years of hard work

  • Belgarath on 03/03/2022 - 08:25

    If you cant manage up, you'll never be considered for any type of promotion.

  • treekangagaroo on 03/03/2022 - 08:44
    +1

    Try to find another job and shift if possible
    If unlucky then cut back your hours to 8 and see if your teams performance suffer and higher management is concerned about it. If no one notice anything then you were doing 7 hours extra for nothing !

  • kanter on 03/03/2022 - 08:45
    +6

    Like everyone else, you think that you're the hardest working member, the company can't survive without you, and that you're not getting recognition?

    Leave.

    The company was running before you came in, it will keep going after you've left. Use what you've learned there, apply it elsewhere where you feel you're being treated better.

    That said, you sound like an old fart thinking every one else is rubbish and young people know nothing. Work on that attitude and you'll feel better :D :D

    • [Deactivated] on 03/03/2022 - 14:11

      The company was running before you came in, it will keep going after you've left. Use what you've learned there, apply it elsewhere where you feel you're being treated better.

      Everyone is replaceable, expendable. Everyone. Yes, even you.

      People think they're special, that they do an amazing job that no-one else can do. The business will survive.

  • JIMB0 on 03/03/2022 - 09:04
    +4

    You need to be useless and stuff up on the tools. Then they'll promote you to management where you can't do as much harm.

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