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ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 16" WQXGA (2560x1600) IPS, i7-11800H, 3050 Ti 4GB, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD $2,399 Delivered @ Lenovo

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ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 now at $2,399, a massive 46% off RRP of $4,469.

  • 16:10 UHD Screen; Self-upgradable RAM; Great selection of ports
  • One of the lightest and best built ultrabooks
  • Impressive spec; Great value for money with current discount.

Full spec for base model at $2,399
Processor: 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (8C / 16T, 2.3 / 4.6GHz, 24MB)
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64
Display Type: 16.0" WQXGA (2560x1600) IPS 400nits Anti-glare, 100% sRGB, Low Blue Light
Memory: 1x 16 GB SO-DIMM DDR4-3200 Non-ECC
Hard Drive: 512 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe 4.0x4 Performance NVMe Opal2
Warranty: 3 Year On-site
AC Adapter: 170W Slim Tip (3-pin)
Graphics: NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 TI 4GB GDDR6
Second Hard Drive: N/A
Battery: Integrated 90Wh
Camera: IR & 1080p with Privacy Shutter
Pen: None
Fingerprint Reader: Touch Style, Match-on-Chip
Keyboard: Backlit, English
Wireless: Intel Wireless 6E AX210 (2x2) & Bluetooth® 5.2
Integrated Mobile Broadband: N/A

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  • MojoMiwo on 06/03/2022 - 18:18
    +4

    1.81 kg does not make it an Ultrabook and definitely not one of the lightest. But it does come with discrete video.
    This also has the older 11th gen CPU which has less performance but greater power consumption compared to the newest generation INTEL CPU.
    Nice 3 year onsite warranty but no touch screen.

    • Averell on 06/03/2022 - 18:48
      +1

      I had to switch to a MacBook Pro M1 16 inch, 2.1+ kg. Now 1.8kg is considered portable :-)

    • bdl on 07/03/2022 - 01:06

      UltraChonkPad

    • magic8ballgag on 07/03/2022 - 13:07
      +2

      1.81 kg does not make it an Ultrabook and definitely not one of the lightest.

      There is no maximum weight requirement to be eligible for the term 'Ultrabook'.

      It has a thin form factor and is light weight relative to it's components, of which are high-end, regardless of how modern they are.

  • a1b2c3e4f52002 on 06/03/2022 - 18:32

    I will be more inclined with at least a 3070 for this price lol

    • BigRiggs24 on 06/03/2022 - 18:35
      +5

      It's a ThinkPad.

      • ubcool on 06/03/2022 - 20:18

        Nothing special about thinkpads now. The build quality of these is miles behind apple.

        • AlgoTrading on 06/03/2022 - 21:24
          +2

          Well. I'd say it's different. I had a Macbook Pro before and now using X1 Carbon. The X1 feels very premium. The soft touch finish is luxurious to touch. Sure it's not full metal finish but I'd say the X1 series is pretty unique in terms of touch and feel. My sis has a T14s and it doesn't feel the same. The keyboard is also miles ahead of Macbook.

        • Zackeroo on 06/03/2022 - 22:40
          +1

          What is this based on? I owned an X1 Carbon for 3 years. I can proudly say that thing felt STURDY for such a thin, lightweight laptop. It weighed 1.1KG but was the best Ultrabook I ever owned, and probably will ever own…

          Unfortunately I had to upgrade very recently since I needed more performance (and a dGPU)

        • Averell on 06/03/2022 - 22:54

          I've been having various versions of Thinkpad for 13 out of the past 14y (the first one was an X61, the latest is X1 Carbon G5). Also having various versions of MacbookProfor the past 7 years (from a 2015, to a 2021 M1)

          The best of a MacBook Pro over a Thinkpad is the trackpad. I've never used the trackpad on ThinkPad - only use the red pointer. Mac's touchpad is miles ahead of Thinkpad's.

          The next thing is the screen's brightness. Thinkpad's matte screen is not as bright as the glossy Mac's.

          Everything else - Lenovo has done better.
          When joining a new company and being asked which laptop I want, my question has always been: 1st choice: ThinkPad X1, 2nd choice: small MacBook Pro.

          • AlgoTrading on 07/03/2022 - 09:30

            @Averell: Newer X1Cs have amazing screens. I had a X1C6 with the HDR screen that's 500nits. Now on a C9 with the UHD+ screen that's also 500nits I believe

          • utsc on 07/03/2022 - 14:00

            @Averell: IBM Thinkpads such as X61 were far superior build quality to the current generation of ThinkPad's.
            My last Thinkpad was T450s and one of the battery was dead, power adapter stopped working, keys falling off the keyboard and the speaker stopped working in 2 years.

            I have had better reliability with HP

      • dogsryummy on 06/03/2022 - 20:40

        Funny you say that, this exact model can be equipped with up to an RTX 3080. Price is another question entirely though..

        • superroach on 06/03/2022 - 21:22

          Got to agree, I have a gen 1 extreme, and the quality of their keyboards have dropped (less travel), and I'd regret going for a newer one.

          Also their rrp price has gone up heaps! A gen 5 x1e has just come out too (albeit with laughable prices).

          Oh that's the other thing too, their driver support isn't as top tier as it used to be. The fingerprint reader is meh and sometimes won't work from standby. Enough to make it annoying.

          • Zackeroo on 06/03/2022 - 22:41

            @superroach: I agree that the keyboards have decreased in travel. I had an older X1C just before the travel drop. Gen 6 X1C I think was the last one with the original keyboard design. It was such an excellent keyboard, my current G14 can't get anywhere near that

        • meong on 06/03/2022 - 21:23

          wow didnt know that… that is impressive for a thin laptop like this… what sort of TGP is configured on the 3080?

  • Brrrrt on 06/03/2022 - 18:34
    +1

    Seconding MojoMiwo, Im curious if this is any worth the price? Even if you exclude doubts about TP's build quality after the the Lenovo take over, this does not have neither the dimensions nor the weight to be an ultrabook nor a business laptop, and 2.4k is a bit steep for a the specs. Heck, a single stick of 16GB ram is a bit sad.

    For 2399 Im looking at the Kraken X15q with 11800H, QHD165hz, 32GB of ram, 3070 145w, a 2TB nvme SSD, a bunch of IO (compare to the TP, you do only have 1 TB4, but you get 2.5G lan port, and 1 extra USB A port with all three USB A being 3.2 gen 2 ports instead of gen1 on the TP) that is certainly up to the task of a productivity laptop and its pure black chasis will fit in a workplace setting as well. its not too heavy at 1.96kg neither.

    • AlgoTrading on 06/03/2022 - 19:00
      +2

      This laptop's true competitor is Dell XPS15/Precision. It's a business laptop. If you're looking for value for money this won't be it.

      Also note that their vapour chamber tech is only available on the rtx 3080 model. I think this one just uses regular heat pipes and fans.

      [Edit] What constitutes a "good" laptop is also faceted. Sure top specs is one. But some users also favour durability, keyboard experience, adequate cooling also makes a big difference.

      • Brrrrt on 06/03/2022 - 19:20

        If it's a business laptop there outta be better options than this no? A dGPU thats probably only slightly better than a 6000 series ryzen iGPU at much higher thermal and power draws. a chasis that is too heavy and big to be easily carried around like as an ultrabook/business notebook. What the usecase for such a laptop? It doesnt get quadro cards so its not a workstation neither.

        • dogsryummy on 06/03/2022 - 20:44
          +1

          "Slightly better" is pretty disingenous, the 3050 Ti is 60-70% faster than the Radeon 680M in pure rasterisation performance.

          If you're playing games (which you shouldn't on this kind of device), the gap opens up even wider.

          • desync on 07/03/2022 - 04:54

            @dogsryummy: no more disingenuous than your comparison with a barely released product running on beta drivers based on synthetic benchmarks

            and then you have to deal with that crazy resolution

            that being said i expect performance to be approaching the version of the non Ti, but who knows, maybe with ddr5 and overclocking as well as proper drivers it might even put up a fight in real world gaming

            • dogsryummy on 07/03/2022 - 07:59
              +1

              @desync: A driver update isn't magically going to give a graphics card 60-70% more rasterisation performance, and neither will DDR5. Benchmarks are there for that reason, to assess that. If you're referring to gaming performance then sure you'll see some improvement here and there but AMD still has no answer to DLSS (FSR is not fully comparable).

              All signs point to the 680M being comparable to a last-gen GTX 1650 which is already damn impressive in its own right, I don't know why people have to further inflate the card to something it's not.

      • dlee on 07/03/2022 - 08:21

        For me, a better competitor is the Dell Inspiron 16 Plus, which uses the same processor (i7-11800H) but is available with a higher spec graphics card RTX3060 (6GB), twice the RAM (yes, 32GB) and twice the storage (1TB). It's been recommended for "creators" (video editing is supposedly fast and good) and also does low-end gaming (limited by the screen's 60Hz refresh rate, though it's IPS and "3k",100% sRGB). With the eBay promo now on, this Dell configuration is $1,999, so it's cheaper by $400. The downsides: the Dell is only 300 nits (though said to be adequate, with the matt screen), has a max 60Hz refresh rate, and some (not all) have had problems with the trackpad.
        What do other people think of this Dell?

        • AlgoTrading on 07/03/2022 - 09:32

          The difference would be build quality. X1 is Thinkpad's highest end series and should be compared to XPS/Precision. From memory when I looked at Inspiron at JB Hifi, it has a fairly plastic feel.

          • dlee on 07/03/2022 - 15:01

            @AlgoTrading: Hmm… This is the Inspiron 16 Plus (I guess the "Plus" makes a difference). It's different from the usual Inspirons (which are, indeed, lower-end). Hope we are talking about the same thing?

            Reviewers say the opposite: it has an aluminium chassis, with a premium look and feel. Their reviews are very good/ rave reviews, saying the Plus is the mid-range between the pricey XPS and the cheaper models, for very few sacrifices. Anyway, if $400 is worth saving, then I think the Dell is a better bargain… (I think Dell should have used a new name, and missed a marketing trick. They should not recycled the "Inspiron" label, which people don't associate with "high-end".)

            • AlgoTrading on 07/03/2022 - 15:08

              @dlee: I see. I've never looked at the Plus. I guess then you could compare this to say Lenovo Yoga or even Legion 5 which are for gaming.

    • plmko on 06/03/2022 - 19:06
      +2

      I would take the X1 over the Intel X15 everytime if I was after a portable workstation. If you are on a very tight budget and then perhaps the Kraken X15 is for you, but you're not even the same target audience.

      • Brrrrt on 06/03/2022 - 19:14

        Curious-whats the difference that would make you chose the x1 over the x15? From what I can see, there is no real benefit with the x1, its only 100g lighter, trade the rj45 and 1 USB A for another TB4 slot, and dimensions are about the same, yet all the specs are much worse than the x15-how come the better portable workstation?

        I guess the only thing comes to the big brand warranty?

        • X200T on 06/03/2022 - 19:55
          +2

          Yes, I would choose 3 Years on site warranty over the feature difference in this case. As business laptop, downtime cost is critical

    • Zackeroo on 06/03/2022 - 22:43

      As others have said, this laptop is a business laptop. You shouldn't be buying this to game on it. It will disappoint you in terms of value for money, and gaming performance too.

      The screen is not what you'd want for a gaming laptop too - and considering it's what you'll be looking at when using the laptop, this is very important to factor in.

  • trawg on 06/03/2022 - 20:08
    +1

    How do Lenovo do at the on-site warranty? Thinking about moving away from Dell XPS for some work laptops as I've not been as impressed with more recent generations - I need to buy several soon and this seems like a good deal. I'm just wary about the support side.

    • zonarhd on 06/03/2022 - 20:24
      +1

      I have 100+ Thinkpads in our fleet at work. Their on-site is ok. The support staff try and go through all the basic troubleshooting which you'd do beforehand regardless and it can become time consuming. If it's not too much more I'd highly recommend getting the Premier support. Next day repairs and the phone line you get from it are much better than the standard support.

  • pompompom on 06/03/2022 - 20:11

    Is this a full metal/alum build ?

  • sav11 on 06/03/2022 - 20:14

    Is it right this doesn't have USB C charging? You have to use their proprietary port.

    Can you install extra RAM and another SSD?

    • ubcool on 06/03/2022 - 20:20
      +1

      Yes on the ram on SSD not sure on the charging

    • zonarhd on 06/03/2022 - 20:32
      +1

      Yes you can add an extra stick of RAM (2 x total) and an extra SSD (2 x up to 2tb each). 3060 GFX & higher you can only have one SSD.

      I've seen in some reviews that you can use a 95w USB-C Charger however it'll drain quicker than it can charge.

  • Cheaparoo on 06/03/2022 - 20:31
    +2

    12th gen X1 Extreme Gen 5 (14C / 20T) specs are out with RTX 3050 Ti, 3060, 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti dGPU options.

    https://www.ultrabookreview.com/54075-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-ext…

    They're offloading these 11th gen X1 Extreme Gen 4 units to make way for these new units around June 2022.

    • dogsryummy on 06/03/2022 - 20:46

      QHD+ 165Hz displays wtf it's basically a gaming laptop in disguise at this point.

  • FutureMe on 06/03/2022 - 21:19
    +8

    Thought I would share my recent experience with Lenovo. Bought a Lenovo Legend laptop just over a month ago.
    It had a faulty screen or video card. Took lots of calls and emails to get them to accept it had a problem. Offered me a replacement that would take a couple of months so
    I asked for a refund. It was over 2 weeks from purchase before they organised for a courier for pickup. They should have received it now but I am still waiting on a refund.
    I had even paid extra for the premium 3 year support which is the only part they have refunded so far . Would never deal with that company again as service is disgraceful.

    • Mahogany Granger on 06/03/2022 - 22:03

      Was going to buy this one but you saved me the headache, cheers.

    • hhuy837 on 06/03/2022 - 23:21

      It is such a shame that Lenovo's support and customer service is so bad. I've purchased Lenovos for work as personally and when they work they are solid, but when something breaks it is a nightmare.

    • EnALup on 07/03/2022 - 09:54

      Service wise, is Dell better?

      • hhuy837 on 07/03/2022 - 19:25

        From what I've experienced, Dell's service is much better - it is a hit and miss but definitely less painful than Lenovo.

        Though for Dell this was a business account. Lenovo don't seem to treat their business and personal any different.

  • desync on 07/03/2022 - 04:51

    just wait for the rdna2 6000 series ultrabooks

    the best ones look like they perform similar to the 3050

  • motion2082 on 07/03/2022 - 09:11

    My X1 Carbon Gen1 is still going strong after three years. Only prob I had is windows freezes from time to time. 1st Gen suffered from heat issues but Lenovo have fixed everything in ongoing bios and driver updates.

  • jihape on 07/03/2022 - 09:44

    I have a gen 2 and would buy again.

    I also have one of the new yogas from work which is okay, but I don't like it's an aluminium cover.

  • Cscroft on 07/03/2022 - 11:53
    +1

    Thanks op needed a new laptop, just placed an order last night but forgot to remove the daily limit on my card so my order is on hold at the moment, no one seems to be manning the phone in Lenovo payments section as the phone just rings out, as others have mentioned above I'm now a bit worried that this will be a similar experience with the technical support.

  • neikel on 07/03/2022 - 12:09

    The only thing that stopped me from getting this laptop is the Resolution being too high in comparison to my 1080p portable monitors which will make it annoying to move things between the monitors. Otherwise, I was so close of getting this one because it's great value for money. No comments on after sale service though as my Legion never missed a beat. Dell warranty claim and product return experience has been very good FYI, you call, they make a booking/claim and give you a number and everything is via email.
    I never needed to call either company for any tech support. Not many companies nowadays have instant phone support anymore except for when they want your money i.e. the sales department.
    For value comparison, you can also compare this with an XPS 15 like the one that was on sale last month for $2,966
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/682482
    or the ones in the Dell Outlet section like this AS NEW XPS 15 - 9510 with only 1 year warranty for $2,659
    https://www.dell.com/en-au/outlet/refurbished-xps-15-9510-la…

  • utsc on 07/03/2022 - 14:23

    Thinkpad is average quality after it was sold to Lenovo by IBM and definitely should not be considered as premium quality.

    Guys you could have saved $1K on the following deal
    HP Victus 16.1" Gaming Laptop, 1080p 144Hz 100% sRGB IPS, Ryzen 7 5800H, RTX 3050 Ti, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD $1199 Delivered @ HP
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/684787

    • dlee on 07/03/2022 - 16:03

      Yes, I missed out on that HP Victus deal (which has now one up to $1,999, and out of stock too). I wonder how that compares with the:

      Dell Inspiron 16 Plus: 16" Gaming Laptop (sort of, though not meant primarily for gaming; Is the 0.1" difference in display size significant? Someone tell me!), 3K display (3072 x 1920; 16:10) 100% sRGB IPS (*300 nits v. HP's 250, but only 60Hz v. HP's 144Hz), i7-11800H (less energy efficient, but slightly faster than Ryzen 7 5800H?), RTX 3050 (v. HP's 3050 Ti), Same:16GB RAM, 512GB SSD; Battery is better? 6-Cell, 86WHr (v. HP's 4-Cell, 70WHr); + has 1 Thunderbolt 4 port (v. HP's no Thunderbolt) $1,699 Delivered @ ebay

      Not easy to compare? HP Victus has a great refresh rate (144Hz), but slightly lower brightness (nits), and gamers may prefer refresh rate over brightness; HP has a more energy-efficient Ryzen CPU (according to reports) and slightly better (Ti) graphics card, but Dell's larger battery may make up for it? And, of course, the Dell has a Thunderbolt port, but is $500 more.

      In the end, the Victus cheap deal is over, so….

      • utsc on 07/03/2022 - 16:05
        +1

        I am not a computer expert but my advice is only pay a premium for what you need today.
        Example if you need a Thunderbolt today then pay more and buy a computer with thunderbolt but paying more for something that you may need in one or two years is not a good idea because you may get a new PC in two years.

  • Powderhound303 on 09/03/2022 - 14:57

    X1 is fab laptop for business and study.

    I've had 6 other laptops and went back to X1 after the orgiinal x1 died (lasted 3+ years). I'll never use any other machine for work. Keyboard, size, weight and specs are all fine.

    Do you really need the latest tech to write an email or log into Teams?

    Suggest you wait for Black Friday Lenovo deals if you can on X1. budget around $1500

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