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One of the best gaming headphones available. Headphones are essentially a retuned DT 990 without the harsh sounding treble.
Only real negative is that the audio cable isn't detachable.
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Don't leave us hanging… what's your other headphones you recommend?
At $200 ish, open back, dynamic driver? AKG K612 when Amazon gets UK stock back up and running. Maybe Sennheiser HD 560S on sale if you're leaning more musically. I've covered this a few times on here, you can look at my deal posts to get some sense of my recommendations.
Crinacle has a good guide for choices. https://crinacle.com/guide/gaming/
Thanks.
Have some astro a10s and they are horrible. So uncomfortable. I use some audio technicas when I don't need mic and they are great open back ones for gaming but be good to have something with mic to get rid of astro a10s. Happy to spend up to 200. So many mixed reviews for so called good headphones.For ps5.
I'm looking for a decent headset for gaming and answering work calls. Do you have any recommendations for around the $250 price point? I've seen you post before and you seem to know your stuff
Nothing right now, as I genuinely don't think there are many headsets that extend beyond what you can get at $80 on sale.
I'd be more focused on headphone, then figuring out what mic solution you won't. As much as you might be taking work calls, you're going to be using the headphone a lot more for listening to music, watching videos, playing games, etc.
If you want a closed back headphone for some isolation, the AKG K371 is $209 on Amazon right now, but should be $150ish if you time gift cards and cashbacks for their mid-year sale.
A gaming headset that has a decent mic and good musicality is the Cooler Master MH751, or the 752 if you need the USB adaptor.
If you want open back for audio quality, then you've already seen what I'd recommend, and it's posted again above!
PC38X in black.
PC37X or Game One if you want to save some money.For closed back, Cloud II, Alpha or MH752 are all fine. H6Pro if you don’t mind significant bass or have access to rudimentary EQ.
Sennheiser gaming headsets aren't worth it for $150+.
Cloud II is fine for $60-$70 in a pinch, Alpha is junk. Epos gear is also junk.
MH751/752 is good musically but falls behind on imaging, though you are putting up a PC38X here so the bar is set even lower.
@jasswolf: I think they're very much worth it. They're also the default recommendation of Crinacle, Armin, Marv, DMS and Josh Valour. Andrew and Zeos went with the HD560s, but they're not suitable for Dualsense or Xbox controller use, which a large number of people will be using as a source. The PC38X is also less fatiguing to my ears.
I find positional audio on my PC38X is excellent. Far superior to my MH752 - and by far good enough for the typical gamer who wants a comfortable, well built, great sounding headset with a quality mic.
They're also the default recommendation of Crinacle, Armin, Marv, DMS and Josh Valour. Andrew and Zeos went with the HD560s
That entire video was very obviously Drop sponsored, and they were on a sponsor blitz during that period. Crinacle has a review of the PC38X on his website that directly contradicts that video, as well as another YouTube video where he mentions his thoughts. His genuine picks at that price level or lower are the K612 and the Koss KSC75.
Front/centre depth on the MH751/752 and Takstar Pro 82 isn't particularly deep due to driver size, headphone design and angling, but it's otherwise showing good depth, height and imaging. PC38X is blurred by comparison.
Keep in mind HRTF functions vary, and the more bass they implement, the more they'll typically interfere with cheaper open back headphones that are more neutrally tuned due to bass distortion, and a lot of bass boosted headphones.
@jasswolf: It wasn't Drop sponsored - it was Brian's video, and while he posted an affiliate link which aligned with his choice (the PC38X), it's ridiculous to say Crin and the rest chose it for this reason.
What Crin actually says in his video - is that it doesn't matter. Pick whatever you want, because for gaming, it doesn't matter.
In his review of the PC38X, he praises it is because it works well for gaming, while being excellently tuned for music.The K612 is a great choice if you want something comfortable and either 1) don't require low-end immersion, or 2) have access to EQ. So yes, it's very good for purely competitive gamers.
I promise you, for the average person on Ozbargain looking for a gaming headset (which will be their only headset for the next 3+ years) - they want something comfortable and durable, with a good mic and "immersive" sound out of the box. There's a reason the Arctis line and Cloud II's sell as many units as they do.
The PC38X is an almost perfect choice.
@seerious: https://crinacle.com/2021/02/10/drop-sennheiser-pc38x-review…
How can I put it nicely… the PC38X is not resolving. It’s mostly surface-level detail with it, and definition takes a rather big hit as a result. Since we’re talking about a gaming headphone here I’ll use a game-related example here: use a high-enough RPM weapon and the PC38X would just make it sound like a single-tone laserbeam.
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And that’s just talking about its resolution. Moving the topic to stereoimaging capabilities, the one thing a headphone like the PC38X is supposed to do well given its gamer branding, it’s not any better. The PC38X has HD650/6XX-levels of that infamous “3-blob imaging”, that is to say that it can really only properly localise “left, right, and centre”.
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The PC38X is not a technical headphone, and certainly not one I’d recommend for hardcore gaming.
Please stop replying, thanks.
@jasswolf: You regurgitate nonsense about headphones without ever having used or listened to them and you constantly attempt to lead people astray on these forums with your semi-audiophile nonsense.
You need to be called out on the constant poor information you provide here.
I urge anyone else who reads this to focus on what the professionals, like Dr Sean Olive and Oratory1990, say about 'resolution' and 'technicalities'.
I honestly wish you'd just post deals and stop leaving your awful "advice". You belong on Head-Fi, 10 years ago.
@seerious: Hang on, did you just uphold a bunch of people as references, only for you to trash on them when I showed that they actually held differing opinions to your own? I think you might have.
We can argue back and forth about how to define some elements of technical performance, but anyone who is a purist on frequency response measurements using current techniques is a fool, and certainly not reflective of how any scientist or engineer measures the performance of a speaker driver.
Imaging is a clearly defined aspect though, and refers to stereo performance, so things like channel matching and how the fitment and design of the headphone enclosure allows for that to be repeatable across multiple users. Please continue being agonisingly ironic elsewhere.
@jasswolf: I own them. I think they’re excellent and superior than the vast majority of my collection.
I showed you a video where a number of YT audiophiles also chose them as their top pick. These are hobbiests you appear to look up to.
You thought cherry-picking a couple critical lines from Crin’s review was enough to label them as overpriced trash?
Like there is any headphone Crin has nothing but positive things to say about.The PC38X has astonishingly good channel matching. Sennheisers cup designs (E.A.R’s in the 5XX line) specifically prevents any part of the ear touching the driver, which has a major effect on how sound is delivered.
Do you honestly think you know more than Sean Olive? Or Oratory? Because they rely on frequency response above all else.
What's the best gaming headset you can recommend for imaging/positioning for footsteps ect.
Currently have Gsp 500 and they are bad.I disagree.
I think the TYGR is probably Beyer’s best headphone. Most people will enjoy their excellent comfort, warm tuning, spacious soundstage, lack of harshness and low power requirements.
The K612 is also great, but is never popular outside of audiophile forums due to it’s lacklustre bass.
And this is an excellent price for the TYGR.
That trade-off with the AKG tuning enhances imaging without stabbing you in the head with treble.
Beyer 770, 880, and 990 were built for checking vocal and instrumental recordings for hiss and hum, not slamming your ears with treble peaks. They were also originally designed in a time where output was a lot more mellow in the treble.
Bass isn't lacklustre, it's just flat, and the distortion characteristics are so low you can EQ more in if you must. The next best compromise in that price range is the Sennheiser HD 560S.
Not a bad guide on head-fi for gaming headphones
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gam…
Not good, either.
I’d recommend people stick to Crinacle, Andrew Park (headphone show), DMS (who has improved lately) and audiosciencereview.
I’ve personally think ASR is the best, but all are good resources.
But basically, comfort + frequency response come first. For music, I’d say they’re equally important. For gaming, comfort is king.
Hard to take DMS seriously after he raved about the pc38x, which contrary to his (and most others) review is terrible for pinpointing footsteps.
Yes, DMS is definitely the weakest link from those reviewers. But at least he's now posting measurements, which tend to align decently well with Andrews.
I also don't agree with how accurate they are for footsteps. But thats a whole other topic… all I'll say is the PC38X ticks so many boxes that it would be ridiculous not to consider them when looking for a new headset.
The 'real' downsides are the slightly high-ish clamp, high-ish pressure on the top of the head, and the lack of a removable mic. But those first two points really depend on the user.
I've been using these for a year or so and I love them. Upgraded from the venerable sony fidelio x1 which I'd used every day for 8 years. Didn't respond well to bumping the bass in EQ at first so I was dissapointed, however after a few weeks it was much better and it's only improved over time. I use the same section from Oblivion of the station blowing up and at first it was a crackly mess with the bass turned up but now they can handle it fine. They are also more comfortable than the sony and have much much better staging and clarity while only losing a little bass compared to my very worn in Hybrid leather modified X1 Fidelios.
Not sure if the first post is aware what model this is as they do not have a mic, many of the higher end DT series owners were desperately looking to purchase the inner padding from these headphones due to it nicely suppressing the typical harsh high end of these models. They reviewed at $350 afaik and were considered a bargain at RRP.
He’ll be talking about the fox mic these were originally bundled with.
But I agree with you. The TYGR is great. I’m a Sennheiser guy myself as they’re the only manufacturer who caters to bigger ears - but for most people, these TYGR’s are an excellent buy.
Better summary is: scuffed DT880 with a mic.
It's an OK gaming headset from a listening perspective, but the price needs to come down, and you need to not be sensitive in the mid-treble, which a lot of people are when you jack it 8dB over neutral (i.e. almost twice as loud). Not a headset that you'll like a lot of music on.
Plenty of good headphones with good imaging and clean audio if you want to aim for something closer to the best of both worlds, just a question of your microphone solution. Try not to get caught in 2-3 year upgrade cycles when you can get better gear and then just change pads every 18-36 months.