Failed Driving Test

biontears on 22/04/2022 - 13:47
Last edited 24/04/2022 - 06:18 by 1 other user

Hi All,

So today I took a P1 driving test and I got F1 fail item for disobeying traffic light

I remember that moment because when I was about to turn at an intersection, the light turned amber but I was already sort of crossing the line and pedestrian at that moment so I still committed it.
Then I guess that was a fail item and testing officer directed me back to service centre (that was about 15min in the test) So I didnt even get to try the maneuvers (reverse parking etc)
I didnt commit any other mistake but apparently due to covid, if you get fail item, you dont complete the rest of the route, heading straight back to NSW service centre

Officer told me I could have stopped at yellow because there was no car behind and I can only go at yellow if there is risk of car behind hitting from myself stopping suddently but I guess I didnt manage to check my back…

Another comment I got from the officer was that I am driving too slow, the thing is it was raining alot today so I drove slower than my usual speed so When she mentioned that, I initially thought I failed because of the speed management (Probably driving at 30km/h at 50km/h road) but I didnt get any circles or fail items on my speed management so it is quite confusing.

Told my driving instructor about it and he told me she shouldnt have mentioned about my speed management if she is not going to mark me down for that otherwise it will confuse me. The book also mentioned slower speed based on weather conditions…

I was really hoping to finish at least the rest of the test just so that I know if I will make any other mistakes so I can improve on it in my next test but since I failed in the first 15 min, I didnt get to drive the rest of the test.

Automotive

Comments

    • gyrex on 23/04/2022 - 12:20
      +9

      How did you get your licence?

    • dizzle on 23/04/2022 - 18:49
      +4

      Ornange means "stop if safe to do so", not "proceed if safe to do so". It was safe, so it's a fail. Cars get pulled over and fined for the same thing.

    • Piranha2004 on 24/04/2022 - 06:53
      +1

      I suggest you re-read the road rules. Amber means stop if safe to do so.

    • tonsta on 25/04/2022 - 11:19

      You sound Italian where lights are just a ‘good idea’

      • D6C1 on 25/04/2022 - 22:17

        Why are those collapsed?

        • iand on 07/05/2022 - 11:00

          I think it's because the original post has received so many negative votes

  • SnoozeAndLose on 22/04/2022 - 13:59
    +36

    Test is test, get over it and go again.

    sometimes it is just the person.

    • PopCounty on 22/04/2022 - 21:59
      +23

      During my first driving test, on a single lane, I had to wait as an old lady was ending her park. She had to do at least 3-4 times back and forth before she could position car on road and drive off.

      At the end of test, I failed. Reason I waited too long and did not honk. The officer asked me why didn’t I honk. To which I replied Sort of ‘As compared to my birth country, Aus seemed relaxed and almost I heard no honking in 6 months. So to maintain that, I did not honk’.

      The officer just smiled. But I failed. This still puzzles me when I read/hear about driving test stories 😂

      • adzyau on 23/04/2022 - 10:38
        +5

        Lol wtf….

      • try2bhelpful on 23/04/2022 - 10:42
        +37

        That is rubbish. You can only use the horn as a warning for an emergency. I would've taken that up with the instructors superior.

        • PopCounty on 23/04/2022 - 22:01

          Yeah. Agree if I have to do this test again.
          But but but.. I was still happy that I completed full test even I failed.
          - This was my first test ever in Aus
          - I was going for full DL based on other license (ppl may disagree but I can tell that full test is judged harshly than to someone intending to obtain P)
          - I did not have car at that moment (only 6 months since I landed to Aus)
          - It was rented car (hertz or budget) that I took for testing
          - No instructor for me
          - I had two other feedback. That I stopped the car little too far at red light (some 1 meter)
          - And after reverse parking, I did not completely wait for 5 seconds. Guess I counted 5 seconds little too faster. So maybe 4-4.5 seconds.
          - I was happy that I did not make any critical errors
          - I went for test rather to see how it felt. I actually had presumed I would fail anyway.

          So looking back, guess I simply nodded because I wouldn’t have thought to contest on those points. As I was happy that I completed full test.

          I did drive, however, from Melbourne to Sydney and back based on my international license prior to the test. Without any fine haha.

          • trapper on 05/05/2022 - 18:44

            @PopCounty: So you didn't just fail for not honking then…

      • kaitoivan on 23/04/2022 - 10:48
        +14

        Would have asked what's good if you honked? Like people would do a better parking job if someone honked at them or something?

        • Mistredo on 25/04/2022 - 15:19

          To play a devil's advocate, at some point they tried too many times, and they need to stop obstructing traffic and move on. What are cars supposed to do behind them? Imagine a busy road where you cannot safely pass them, and they are attempting to park for 5 minutes.

  • Hithere on 22/04/2022 - 14:01
    +23

    Many drivers going for their license fail the first time. Often just from being nervous, but not stopping at traffic lights is one of the worst offenses.

    Next time you'll be more prepared and should pass the test with flying colours

      • iand on 07/05/2022 - 11:04

        I remember many many years ago when I was at school one guy failed his learners permit over a dozen times

    • gimli on 22/04/2022 - 20:23

      i failed 2 -3 times. can't quite remember

      • Ridiculous Panda on 23/04/2022 - 01:24
        +31

        I hate conspiracy theories especially when they are based on absolutely nothing but a wild guess. Driving around each day, I’d say not enough drivers fail their tests.

          • Ridiculous Panda on 24/04/2022 - 16:26
            +4

            @Gnostikos: I like this comment where you supported your claims with proof unlike your previous one. Can’t agree more about speeding fines being a cash cow.
            However, when I did my driving test, it cost something around $50 (not sure how much it is today). $50 would hardly cover the wages of the examiner and admin work they had to. I doubt they would all conspire to make a few $$ of profit out of you when they fail you. Some government departments would be more corrupt than others but you can’t just judge them all with a blanket judgment like that.

          • dizzle on 24/04/2022 - 16:55
            +1

            @Gnostikos: If they are just doing it for revenue, wouldn't it be smarter to let them pass and make mistakes? They could get four or five fines a year rather than a retest fee.

            • SlavOz on 24/04/2022 - 20:44
              -7

              @dizzle: Bad drivers don't get fines. Only good ones do. Our traffic enforcement is focused almost entirely on handing out tickets to experienced people who are confident enough to exceed the speed limit ever so slightly on a road they travel twice a day for years on end.

              Meanwhile, the guy driving below the speed limit, holding up traffic in the right line, signalling 3 turns in advance, or waiting for literally 0 cars to be in sight before feeling comfortable to make a turn is never given a fine or so much as pulled over.

              As for reckless drivers who intentionally endanger other people, they usually get a slap on the wrist and returned to the roads after a year or 2. No biggie.

              • dizzle on 24/04/2022 - 23:42
                +1

                @SlavOz: On the other hand you can't be that good of a driver if you can't control your speed (fast or slow).

                Our traffic enforcement is focused almost entirely on handing out tickets to experienced people who are confident enough to exceed the speed limit ever so slightly on a road they travel twice a day for years on end.

                That's like saying "I know the road so well that it's OK if I go through the red light. I know that intersection is never busy".

                So I reject your premise that only the good ones get fined.

                • SlavOz on 24/04/2022 - 23:58
                  -3

                  @dizzle:

                  That's like saying "I know the road so well that it's OK if I go through the red light

                  Except nobody goes through intersections. Not because it's illegal - but because it's dangerous. People are better at looking after themselves than the government is.

                  Speed limits are completely arbitrary and the way they're enforced is blatant revenue raising.

      • gimli on 23/04/2022 - 12:20

        Lol username checksout

        • Gnostikos on 24/04/2022 - 15:26
          -4

          Your brain checked out a long time ago. Why don't you stick to discussing what your favourite anime series is and leave the big boy topics for the adults? You seem to be following my posts around like I'm your senpai and you're desperately trying to get my attention.

          • gimli on 24/04/2022 - 20:15

            @Gnostikos: Ur probably right. My brain if it existed checked out ages ago.
            Nothing personal. U just seem to say some funny shot and get owned

    • cameldownunder on 23/04/2022 - 16:57
      +1

      If OP can't proceed through intersection wait at the line. Don't obstruct intersection or pedestrian crossing.

  • whatwasherproblem on 22/04/2022 - 14:06
    +35

    Sucks to hear man, and it sounds like you got a bit of a stickler about the traffic light thing if your side of the story is to be believed.

    That said, a couple of things:
    1)

    Probably driving at 30km/h at 50km/h road

    Are you lowballing that speed? If you were actually driving that slow compared to the rest of the traffic, especially on a rainy day, then your car is absolutely a hazard and I'd argue your instructor was right to have a go at you for it. As paradoxical as it sounds, driving slower doesn't always mean driving safer.

    2)

    Apparently the testing officer can end the test in the middle if I am committing any offense or Covid 19 restriction.

    Given that the test is all-or-nothing pass/fail I can't say I really understand your frustration that the test ends the second that you passing it becomes impossible. Continuing the test from that point on is literally a waste of both your time and the tester's. Telling you what to improve on is supposed to be your driving instructor's job.

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 14:15

      apparently before covid they did finish the rest of the test even if you fail in the middle
      I think from the perspective of a person preparing for the test, It would add a lot of value for me to finish the rest of the test so that I know If I will commit any other mistakes that I can prep for my next test…

      Paid $150 or so to hire the car and taking a day off from work with annual leave for the test and test finished in 15 min was very disappointing for me personally.. (dissappointing at myself doing F1 Fail item as well..)

      • Quantumcat on 22/04/2022 - 15:19
        +5

        How are you practicing driving if you don't own a car or have one to borrow from a friend or family member?

        It is also easier to pass a test if it is a car you know well so you are at an automatic disadvantage having to hire a car. And if you don't own a car what are you going to do with a license anyway? Maybe take a break from trying to pass the test until you own a car?

        • [Deactivated] on 22/04/2022 - 15:56
          -1

          not all assessors let you use your own car, some require that you use their car. the RAC doesn't let you use your own car, it has to be one of their little swifts.

          • Quantumcat on 22/04/2022 - 16:27

            @[Deactivated]: What's RAC?

            I did my test in NSW and used my own car (nearly didn't pass though, the driver side door was hard to shut properly, you had to slam it - it was rattling the whole test and I very sheepishly opened and shut it again at a red light thinking for sure I was going to fail….)

            • [Deactivated] on 22/04/2022 - 18:02

              @Quantumcat: royal automobile club, stick a T, Q, V etc on the end depending on the state

              i did my test with the RACT and i nearly didn't pass because i managed to cock up the reverse park a little bit, fine in normal circumstances but you only get 3 attempts to do it properly on the test and the assessor chose the worst possible spot (on a hill and the side of the road was on a bit of a slope due to the way the land is shaped, i think there were some tree roots making the road bulge as well.

              i had to use their car

              • Quantumcat on 22/04/2022 - 19:01

                @[Deactivated]: Oh that's interesting. They look like insurance companies. Wouldn't you be doing it with "Service Tasmania"? Can RACT issue licenses?

                • [Deactivated] on 22/04/2022 - 19:34
                  +1

                  @Quantumcat: they are both, they also offer lessons.

                  i did the actual assessment with the RACT, then when i passed, i got a paper with my assessment marks on it and i had to take that to services Tasmania who issued me an eye test and gave me a temporary paper licence, told me to expect my proper licence in the mail.

                  there are people who are authorised to give assessments, some people are independent, while others are companies like the RAC, but i don't think you can be assessed by someone you've had lessons with as the receptionist looked on the computer and said "you haven't had any lessons with (assessor), so you'll be assessed by him" or something along those lines

                  people who assess for the P1 test have to have a vehicle up to a certain standard, including a passenger brake and i think the cars have to be less than 7 years old as one independent instructor i had mentioned that he had to go get a new car and have his passenger brake removed as it became too old, it still worked perfectly fine, but it wasn't fitting the regulations anymore.

      • Raj09 on 23/04/2022 - 13:37
        +3

        Dude. Get over this and move on. I failed 3 times due to nerves and also wrongly interpreted instructions. Got the licence at the end though

      • cameldownunder on 23/04/2022 - 16:58
        +1

        I think it's called "immediate fail" for a reason.

      • dizzle on 23/04/2022 - 18:47
        +3

        It's not a driving lesson. It's a test. If you failed then it's considered you're not safe to drive. I'm surprised if that is the actual standard to continue.

        It was a number of years ago now, but doing my driving test, if it was a fail, then it was back to the driving center. My instructor even told me about one of his students that didn't stop at the stop sign exiting the testing center…Test over

    • stringbean402 on 25/04/2022 - 07:53
      +2

      100% agree… driving a fair bit slower than the rest of the traffic around you increases the risk of you getting involved in a collision.

      When a large speed differential exists it makes the braking distance shorter for the faster vehicle if an unexpected event should occur. You are actually increasing your risk of getting into an accident.

      You see more extreme examples of this sometimes on highways when it’s raining heavily, you have some Wally who feels the need to slow down to 40kmh while the rest of the traffic on the road is still comfortable driving at 80kmh. The reduced visibility and huge speed differentials are a recipe for disaster.

  • Savas on 22/04/2022 - 14:10
    +12

    Public transport is free so you fail the ozbargain test

    • chrisn26 on 22/04/2022 - 14:22

      A test, which many would glady fail. Welcome a car dependent world. This is the way!

    • gimli on 22/04/2022 - 20:35
      +1

      op was driving to the train station. :P

      • nobro25 on 23/04/2022 - 09:43
        +1

        I once drove to the train station to complete my train driving test.

    • Blitzfx on 23/04/2022 - 01:54
      +2

      Where is there free PT?

      • AustriaBargain on 23/04/2022 - 03:59

        In South Australia soon, if you're 60 or older.

        • Jolakot on 24/04/2022 - 16:28

          Ah yes, the people who have had 45 working years to save for retirement get free public transportation, not young people who are living pay-to-pay with skyrocketing rents and inflation, makes perfect sense

          • AustriaBargain on 24/04/2022 - 17:13

            @Jolakot: I think all public transport should be free and paid in part by a tax on businesses, because at the end of the day most people travel to either get to work or go to a business to buy something. This would encourage more people to catch public transport, which would also make the roads more better for drivers.

  • Cave Fire on 22/04/2022 - 14:21

    "pedestrian at that moment so I still committed it." was there a pedestrian crossing or starting to cross? Probably goes down as a major fault. You have to follow all the road rules and also drive to what the limit is. So it should feel like you are a confident driver. I got mine after changing instructors and test location.

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 14:26

      no what I meant was the stop line before the pedestrian crossing, no one was crossing at the cross as it was red light for pedestrian
      I was just thinking it is too late for me to stop now at that moment when light turned amber because I already crossed the stop line as it was still green at that moment but suddenly turned amber and if I stop now the car behind will hit me (well I guess I should have been prepared to stop even if it was green light)

      Apparently there was no car behind and I was driving pretty slow so I could have safely stopped according to the officer

      In couple of practices with my instructor, I did suddenly stop as soon as I see yellow and he told me its not safe to stop as I could get hit from behind but I guess it depends on the situation

      • Kangal on 22/04/2022 - 22:08
        +1

        If it was raining a lot, you could have said your rear-visibility was compromised.
        But then again, "speeding up" from 31kph to 49kps to make the traffic light can be considered a hazard too.

        All in all, I think it is pointless to argue with the instructor. Try to get as much detail and information from him, then and there. Practice. Then practice more. And try to "pass" by sticking to the book. Even if you fail this time, you can get it another time. I wouldn't beat myself up too much if I were you… it won't change the past, and can make your future worse (more nervous for next time).

  • cupcake on 22/04/2022 - 14:33
    +6

    Thoughts and prayers.

  • try2bhelpful on 22/04/2022 - 14:33
    +10

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-s…

    Yellow is a “must stop”; unless you can’t do so safely.

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 14:36
      +1

      yep learnt a lesson hard way
      I was initially quite paranoid with amber and would stop at all cost
      "unless you can’t do so safely" part is confusing in some occasions from beginner driver's perspective….

      • spaceflight on 23/04/2022 - 17:41
        -1

        A guide you can use it if there are marked arrows on the road and the light changes to yellow.

        If there are 2 or more arrows before the intersection you should stop.
        If you have passed the second to last arrow before the intersection then keep going.

      • stealthpaw on 23/04/2022 - 23:24

        TL:DR; Amber means stop unless you will crash due to stopping or cause someone else to crash into you.

    • redfox1200 on 22/04/2022 - 15:09
      +13

      i thought yellow was speed up and send it through the lights while you can

  • brokenglish on 22/04/2022 - 14:36
    +2

    Yeah, don’t get disheartened, not all the things you need to do in the tests are practical in real life.
    Do the things you gotta do to pass the test.
    Changing lane? Make sure you bend and rotate that neck!
    The most important thing is you learn and acknowledge your mistakes so you can improve yourself.
    Good luck!

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 14:43

      thanks I guess I was so focusing on head checks and indicators and forgot about the most basic road rule… traffic light

  • GordonD on 22/04/2022 - 14:40
    +3

    Amusing story, OP, but what's your question?

    This isn't a blogging forum.

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 14:41
      +1

      Just sharing my first p1 test experience and hearing feedback from whom could be experienced drivers… thats all

      • cupcake on 22/04/2022 - 14:44

        Each fail is a learning lesson.
        Better luck next time.

        • SlavOz on 24/04/2022 - 14:43
          +2

          I think OP's main concern is that he wasn't able to grasp more lessons from his driving test because it ended early. I don't see why this is an unpopular opinion. Booking a test costs time and money. Young drivers eager to learn and become independent should not be needlessly prohibited from doing so just because of bureaucracy.

          Is anyone here really going to claim that they learned most of their driving skills from the license test when they were teenagers? I really hope not - the best experience comes from learning through action, not memorizing arbitrary and subjective rules.

          Australia's licensing system is shithouse anyway. You pass a short test when you're 17 and can keep driving for the rest of your life thereafter. God knows 85% of drivers are absolutely useless on the road anyway.

    • screensaver on 22/04/2022 - 16:29

      its a discussion forum, and an often hostile one at that

      • Muzeeb on 22/04/2022 - 17:55
        +2

        You would have passed first time Pam?

      • kerfuffle on 22/04/2022 - 23:03
        +1

        Then why are you still using it if you feel it's hostile? You haven't said anything positive about the forums, only negative, so why do you still keep using it?

        • screensaver on 23/04/2022 - 01:54
          -1

          so people can copy my rookie comment

        • Blitzfx on 23/04/2022 - 02:04
          +1

          Sometimes making a comment to bait out people like yourself paints a more accurate picture for others to see.

    • Munki on 22/04/2022 - 23:51

      Dear diary,

      Today, Gordon was being a massive D. I just wanted to share my experience, but he had to call me out and point out that OzBargain wasn't a blogging forum. I wish I could draw a picture of what a massive D Gordon is being right now on MSPaint.

      - OP

  • MrHyde on 22/04/2022 - 14:50
    +5

    Also, if you need test practice - most instructors will provide that and they know the route and can take you through the exact route before the test. This is something you really should have asked your instructor for before the test.

  • freefall101 on 22/04/2022 - 14:52

    Another comment I got from the officer was that I am driving too slow, the thing is it was raining alot today so I drove slower than my usual speed so When she mentioned that, I initially thought I failed because of the speed management (Probably driving at 30km/h at 50km/h road) but I didnt get any circles or fail items on my speed management so it is quite confusing.

    Sounds like you were borderline and if you finished the test you might have failed if you kept doing it. IMO they're just being helpful, a bit of advice because if you drove at 30km/h in a 50 zone on a sunny day they'd definitely fail you.

    If you're worried about the manoeuvers just go practice them more.

  • Sunproof on 22/04/2022 - 14:52

    I know of people being turned around after failing and not getting to complete the test. Don't dwell on it too much, shift your focus to your next attempt and best of luck.

    • Munki on 22/04/2022 - 23:54

      I remember there used to be traps just at the exit of some RTAs (if not all) where they would have stop signs, and that caught out a lot of people.

  • Xistn on 22/04/2022 - 14:54

    As its been mentioned here many times, I'll just say.

    Yellow is the first red.

    unless you a truck then plow through that as fast as possible.

    • o53djz7qTPY4der on 22/04/2022 - 15:05
      +6

      Part of the truck license is to prove your can't tell the difference between green, amber and red.

      • michaelpls on 22/04/2022 - 15:24
        +1

        I was commended for not trying to stop on an amber in my MR test. It's unsafe to slam the brakes on in a vehicle that size, better off comitting to it. Plus traffic lights are designed with this in mind: 2s direction change from red <80km/h and 3s >80km/h

      • sam-1966 on 22/04/2022 - 16:42
        +1

        And not knowing heights of bridges… at least in Qld.

  • pharkurnell on 22/04/2022 - 14:57
    +13

    (Probably driving at 30km/h at 50km/h road)

    Thank goodness you failed.. theres enough people with full licenses doing that pissing people off..

  • o53djz7qTPY4der on 22/04/2022 - 15:06
    +2

    I failed on my first attempt too. I felt hard done-by too.

    I took a few more lessons and tried again. The next time I was much less nervous because I knew what to expect. So, whilst the first attempt was annoying it wasn't a waste of time nor money.

  • John Kimble on 22/04/2022 - 15:19
    +2

    I didnt commit any other mistake but apparently due to covid, if you get fail item, you dont complete the rest of the route, heading straight back to NSW service centre

    Not sure what covid has to do with it, maybe just coincidental policy change?

    Almost 30 years ago, my older brother failed right at the start, because he didn't stop at the stop sign coming out of the RTA car park, they let him complete the rest of whole test, just to come back and say he would have passed if he stopped at the stop sign.

    Conversely, I failed right at the end, coming back into the RTA car park because I mounted the kerb slightly when turning left, spooked by a car coming out of the car park. 😂

    Not sure what's worse.

    • biontears on 22/04/2022 - 15:45

      Officer did tell me usually even If I fail I get to finish the test but due to covid, they can finish the test in the middle (I guess to reduce the time spent in the car for officer and person doing the test)

      I would have got much more value out of it If I get to finish the rest of the test so that at least even if I failed, I get to do a practice round with the actual officer and know if any other mistakes I can improve on (yes it is waste of time for officer but still not a waste for me)

  • jellykingdom on 22/04/2022 - 15:21

    I failed when i didn't use my indicator at a merge due to roadworks. we were already going 20kmph. This was about 300m from the end of the driving test…I was not happy!

    Anyways, don't stress it, just do the test again, and you'll be fine. Then you can drive however the hell you want!!!!

    • John Kimble on 22/04/2022 - 15:26
      +8

      Then you can drive however the hell you want!!!!

      🤔

      • jellykingdom on 22/04/2022 - 15:31

        Well……you know. Within certain limits I guess

        • netjock on 22/04/2022 - 21:00

          You see people who drive however they want. Generally not very helpful.

    • Munki on 22/04/2022 - 23:55

      I failed when i didn't use my indicator at a merge

      You only get an exception if you drive a European car like a BMW or Benz.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/04/2022 - 15:48
    +3

    from what i understood, once you have crossed the line, you are supposed to complete the turn as quickly as is safely possible, i don't think you can just stop once you cross the line (unless a pedestrian rushes out), even if the light turns yellow. i was taught (by RACT instructors) that when waiting to turn right, you can drive out over the line while waiting for oncoming traffic to cease, so that when the light goes yellow and everyone stops, you can still complete your turn without having to wait for another green behind the line.

    driving at 30 KM is far too slow, unless the rain is very heavy and / or your visibility is impacted enough that you cannot drive safely at a higher speed. if it's just normal rain and normal visibility (for rain) 40 - 45 is low enough in a 50 zone, of course other drivers might be going slower and you'll have to match their speed.

    you just got unlucky with the instructor being a tightarse about the rules. most people in that situation would have just completed the turn (which is the right thing to do if you are over the line). you have to study for the test, not for how people actually drive. once you have your P's, you can drop or ignore the parts of the test that no one in any real driving situation would use, but until you have passed your test, practise with a goal of no mistakes. it's not realistic, everyone has mistakes when driving now and then, but it's just what you have to do.

    • jzdhgkd on 22/04/2022 - 22:18

      +1 for your first point. I was also taught this concept of "past the point of no return" once you've crossed the furthest white line when I started driving some 15 years ago. Sometimes you need to do this to be able to turn right at some unprotected traffic lights!

      The biggest risk however is if someone going the opposite direction runs the red very late and you end up crashing. A friend of a friend died in this way some years ago.

      • Munki on 22/04/2022 - 23:56

        unprotected traffic lights

        Nani? Unprotected? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      • stringbean402 on 25/04/2022 - 08:32
        +1

        If stopped in the middle of an intersection I always wait for all traffic to stop or at least seriously slow down before proceeding to turn right across their path, even if it means waiting until the light goes red. Never let the urge to clear out of the intersection make you rush into an unsafe situation.

        Failing to do so is a good way to get t-boned by a driver speeding up to beat the orange light.

    • trapper on 05/05/2022 - 18:32

      Nope.

      You must stop at an orange light unless it is unsafe to do so.

      • [Deactivated] on 06/05/2022 - 02:17

        Not if you are already over the line.

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