Scammed on Gumtree (Sent $950 Seller Didn't Post Goods) - Police Don't Seem to Care?

LMarcusJones on 11/05/2022 - 16:57
Last edited 12/05/2022 - 09:43 by 1 other user

Hey all,

Mostly just need to vent, but was recently ripped off $950 from a seller on Gumtree which is annoying, but I am more disappointed in how little the police care. I have the persons mobile number and bank account details (Australian Bank) and basically when I tried to report it they basically said don't bother there was nothing they could do.

I mean, surely they should at least do a basic investigation with the bank to try and prevent this stuff happening again or at least get the bank account closed? I was able to report it at scamwatch (although they do nothing) and I reported it to my bank who basically said it had been more than 24 hours since depositing the funds, they weren't able to recover any money or help in anyway.

Anyway, guess the lesson is to not trust anyone in this country any more :(.

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Comments

    • [Deactivated] on 12/05/2022 - 11:19
      +2

      Most the time it's international criminal organisations or junkies.

      It's happened to me a few times.

      I don't do bank wire anymore.

      One guy had the JB HiFi receipt, but the issue is he sold the phone to 15 people.

      I rang the bank, they told me police were already there but you never get your money back with these things.

    • Butt Scratcher on 12/05/2022 - 12:19

      So like I'm not sure how the scam would have worked if I went to the address to pickup?

      When you begin trying to organise a time, if they still have remnants of a conscientious come up with BS excuses why you cant come or let you go to the fake address.

      Nothing lost for them really

    • serpserpserp on 12/05/2022 - 15:04
      +1

      So like I'm not sure how the scam would have worked if I went to the address to pickup?

      Have you visited the address he gave you? That would be the first place I'd go if I got scammed.

    • frannyOzb on 12/05/2022 - 16:04
      +5

      Sorry to hear that you got scammed mate.

      You're probably not going to like what you read. But just take it as an expensive lesson learned.

      Something similar happened to me as well. I actually met them up in person and saw them log into their phone and send me the money through PayID. With screenshots of the transaction and receipt and also the transaction coming out of his account (Which shows me the guys account number). CBA seems to have a security feature that holds transfers to new numbers over a certain threshold for 24 hours (Didn't know about this about PayID). So I thought I was pretty safe cause I had so many details of the guy even though the money hasn't arrived.

      When I spoke to the cops about it they said it was a common scam, usually by crime orgs. By the time the police request and recieve the details of the person to investigate, they find that the person that they investigate has actually had an account created in their name fraudulently. And so much time has gone through since, that the scammer has already moved the money.

      I wouldn't hold my breath about there being a happy ending here. Just take it as a lesson learnt.

      Tip for anyone using PayID in future. Get them to send the first $1 to your account, then transfer the rest. It'll bypass that stupid security check because the payee is no longer a new number.

      • pufffdragon on 13/05/2022 - 16:27
        +1

        Thanks for this valuable info. I've done a couple payID transactions but all went good. One of the guys buying from me mentioned about the 24hr hold from another person he went through.

      • F1ProjectOne on 14/05/2022 - 18:53

        I have experimented with that CBA PayID thing and tried to have them $1 first so that when they sent the real amount, it would not hold but the 24h hold still kicked in. The amount seems to be anything over $200 through PayID for the 24h hold to kick in. So it's probably best to send in chunks <$200

      • Koffee on 14/05/2022 - 23:19
        +1

        I sold a high value item in person, and made the person go to an ATM (in front of me) and hand me the cash.

        No room for trickery.

      • MrBillions on 15/05/2022 - 16:14

        If you didn't have the money in your account then you can't handover of the item

    • Ramrunner on 12/05/2022 - 17:46
      +3

      Yeah look - it's a bit of a yawn fest when people like you post here about the same old thing. Don't get my wrong I AM sympathetic and it's crap that it happened, but it happens ALL THE TIME yet next week there will be another post by another person venting how they were ripped off on Gumtree.

      One thing I WILL absolutely agree on is there should be a way to report scammers such as this. Like you I HATE they keep getting away with this, free to steal more money from the next person.

      I couldn't see any of the party's policies speaking about tougher stances on cybercrime but something like that COULD sway my vote. I do agree something needs to be done it's so rife now.

    • TightLikeThisx on 12/05/2022 - 18:55
      +1

      Ignore the clowns here.

      I have heard of people getting results from Police on other forums. The key is to report it at the right place. The local police station will not take on this work.

      Here is the link to report:

      https://www.cyber.gov.au/acsc/report

      • fredblogs on 24/05/2022 - 14:21
        +1

        pity the local police don't refer you to this

    • jaybmate on 12/05/2022 - 20:58

      How do you know the address is fake? It quite possible that he didn't intend on scamming you until you offered to pay for postage. And he's probably just assuming your not gonna bother driving 4hrs to bang on his door. And regarding phone always off, he could have just blocked your number. So that could be his real number too.

      Did you pay by Pay ID? If so, you would also have his real name.

    • ihbh on 14/05/2022 - 09:24

      there should be some sort of system in place to at least try and prevent scammers using the same details to run the same scams again

      Systems in place:

      • Forums like this.
      • Personal experience.

      Please tell as many people about your experience to prevent it happening again.

      No, wasting taxpayer's money is not part of the solution.

    • godlike1001 on 14/05/2022 - 09:36
      +3

      Probably won't help you in your situation but I once got scammed trying to buy a $50 ps4 game on gumtree.

      Sent the money and the seller went AWOL.

      I figured it wasn't worth reporting, but I had the guys mobile and email.

      I downloaded a local court statement of claim and filled it out using his email and mobile and out the address as TBA (obviously this isn't how it works).

      I put the claim for $50 + compensation of $200 and legal fees of $1,500. I emailed the guy a copy of the unfilled application and advised that I was heading to court to file next week.

      The next day the money was refunded to me.

      Perhaps they won't fall for it. But if you get scammed, may as well try to scam the scammers

      • cookie2 on 16/05/2022 - 07:06

        Awesome idea. No harm in trying.

    • KapitaneXtreme on 14/05/2022 - 22:28

      It's a civil matter champ, the police don't care because it's not their domain. You've entered a contract which the other party hasn't honoured, the correct response is to seek legal advice.

  • garetz on 11/05/2022 - 17:30
    +9

    Sorry to tell you this, but police do not care about self rip-offs, because you had a choice, you made the choice to deposit the money, police take one look at that and think "this idiot" and of course do not want to waste their time on it.

  • SF3 on 11/05/2022 - 17:30
    +13

    Member Since
    06/05/2019

    Surprised not caught on with the warning in past posts.

    • idonotknowwhy on 12/05/2022 - 10:58

      Why do they have the Learners icon if the account is over 3 years old?

      • SF3 on 12/05/2022 - 10:59
        +6

        First time forum post.

      • Quantumcat on 12/05/2022 - 13:28
        +6

        Username checks out

  • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2022 - 17:34
    +1

    So like I'm not sure how the scam would have worked if I went to the address to pickup?

    It was probably opportunistic.

    So, you deposited the funds but haven't yet received the goods? And, the seller isn't answering your calls?

    • MarcusJones on 11/05/2022 - 17:39

      Yeah, basically mobile is permanently switched off.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2022 - 17:49

        Have you confirmed whether their address is fake?

      • Qazxswec on 11/05/2022 - 17:53
        +4

        yeah definitely opportunistic, i think if you had turned up to his house you would of got your item

        • Krankite on 12/05/2022 - 10:22
          +1

          more likely you would have gotten a confused look, assuming this is actually a scammer, it won't be their address.

          • Qazxswec on 16/05/2022 - 11:41

            @Krankite: but the seller never intended to post the item to begin with, this is something that the buyer requested, therefor the ad was originally a "in person pick up" ad

      • pwnd on 12/05/2022 - 08:15
        +1

        He’s probably just blocked you. Tried from another mobile?

  • foxmulder on 11/05/2022 - 17:35

    Just curious on recent news of people runaway not paying after filling up petrol - police follow up on this? License plate and video available

    • zonra on 11/05/2022 - 18:17
      +7

      Used to work at a servo and yes police do follow up on this.
      My understanding is that it’s classified as theft, whereas OP situation is a civil matter.

      • foxmulder on 11/05/2022 - 18:58

        Thanks. Good to know.

      • UNO on 13/05/2022 - 20:44
        +1

        I need to understand more about the law. Buying something online and not receiving it is a civil matter (isn't this also known as stealing) versus stealing (e.g. petrol/ diesel at a servo) is theft.

        You learn something new everyday.

        • cookie2 on 16/05/2022 - 07:10
          +2

          Sounds like the laws protect business (seller) rather than customers (buyer). It's all broken.

  • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2022 - 17:35
    +1

    There is so much of this going on that they don't have the man hours to tackle it.

  • Hithere on 11/05/2022 - 17:38
    +2

    so I then asked if he would be willing to post which he said he was

    Unfortunately, that was your first mistake OP.

    A life lesson that you'll never forget.

  • Ughhh on 11/05/2022 - 17:39
    +2

    prevent this stuff happening again

    The only person who can stop themself from being scammed, is themselves.

  • bobbified on 11/05/2022 - 17:46

    ..but was recently ripped off $950 from a seller on Gumtree

    You're not exactly new here, right?

  • rektrading on 11/05/2022 - 17:58
    +1

    The police have limited resources and should prioritise cases they can win.

    May be cases like this is the type of case that ain't winnable.

    • [Deactivated] on 11/05/2022 - 18:12
      +7

      Exactly. Why do their job when they are busy revenue raising? someone might be doing 3 over the limit somewhere!

      • rektrading on 11/05/2022 - 18:17

        It's basic resource management.

        Take winning cases and leave those that can't won.

      • leiiv on 11/05/2022 - 22:20
        -5

        Exactly. Why bother with break ins, robbery, and theft of ordinary people? They are hard cases and unwinnable. Big businesses and elites are of course an exception.
        Might as well make it pay for service. Want you theft to be investigated? Pay for it. Want a protection? Pay for it.

      • Wayne7497 on 12/05/2022 - 01:09
        +5

        Spoken like ya typical cop hater who hasn't a clue how real world Policing actually works.

        • gee-man on 12/05/2022 - 08:00

          Yeah it’s disappointing to see so many adults who don’t understand what police actually have to do to build a criminal case.

          Like another poster said, civil cases aren’t their responsibility. And even if it was criminal, they can’t act arbitrarily. They need proof of a crime that they can take to court and secure a conviction.

          This is harder than it looks, and takes both time and resources. Which are very limited.

          This is why so many break-ins and thefts don’t go anywhere, because there’s no evidence. Just a busted window and missing Xbox.

          If it was that easy for police to shut down bank accounts etc we’d be marching in the streets protesting their overreach.

          • leiiv on 12/05/2022 - 10:30
            -3

            @gee-man: It is even more disappointing to see so many who have ignorant attitude. We all know that rampant theft is a problem. Something needs to be done. The limited time and resources are put into speeding tickets because they bring money. They problem is money dictates everything..

            • Wayne7497 on 12/05/2022 - 12:32
              +3

              @leiiv: Really considering less than 10% of all police resources are or have anything to do with traffic enforcement duties, Really you have no idea or just ignorant.

              Do you know what a ccr or reverse ccr is ? Or what they cost ? I bet not .

        • [Deactivated] on 12/05/2022 - 14:49
          +2

          Just speaking from experience. Personally know where they have thrown their hands up at a known drug dealer and said they can’t do squat (or don’t care to) while harassing people about foil wrapping paper insisting it contained drugs (it was fast food wrapping…)

          I’m not a hater, but I’m not a bootlicker either.

          • Wayne7497 on 16/05/2022 - 07:41

            @[Deactivated]: I recently was medically retired after 37yrs with WA Police (No choice too many injuries) no golden handshake and WA Police don't have workers compensation, so I'm now trying to find a job I'm 54 with 2 bung shoulders, 1 buggered knee, just had triple bypass, and diagnosed with ptsd.

            So all those that bag cops I wish you could have walked in my shoes for a day. I never revenue raised, I'm against speed cameras, never ever would I have enforced mandates (was forced on sick leave at the time).

            I treated ppl as nice as they treated me..

            If I had a $ for all supposed corruption I'd be a millionaire n not have a 300k mortgage, a $ for everytime I heard never a copper when u need one same. Being in a job where every hour of every day your critiqued.

            Seriously u could triple Police numbers in any state, wouldn't make difference, population increases, paperwork increases etc .

            If back in 1985 when I joined as a cadet I knew what I was getting into I'd have run the other way..

        • [Deactivated] on 12/05/2022 - 15:25
          +3

          This is pretty much the norm for police in NSW. Well, that and attacking journalists that criticise politicians or diddling minors at festivals to check for drugs

          • Yola on 12/05/2022 - 17:41
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: Police conduct was disgusting. Adolescents were traumatized and their attitude toward authority impacted.

        • cookie2 on 16/05/2022 - 07:22

          Real policing in my area means that the only sign that cops exist in Footscray is at the actual train station. You'd think that the resources of cops at a train station, would be better off in the shopping area and bus stop area to reduce the drug selling and uncomfortable behaviour of so many. But not once in 5 years have I ever seen a cop on foot in the rest of the suburb. And if anyone knows Footscray, some police presence should be where resources would be better put than all together inside the train station. Long story short, it's not just an issue of lack of resources, it's also an issue of WHERE the limited resources are used.

    • Munki on 12/05/2022 - 21:26

      Yeah, like targeting Friendlyjordies.

  • SmiTTy on 11/05/2022 - 18:20
    +1

    How long has it been
    Could it be possible he's waiting for money to clear. Then wrap, Then find time to take it to post office then take a week to reach yours?

    • zonra on 11/05/2022 - 18:22
      +1

      Why the radio silence though?

      • SmiTTy on 11/05/2022 - 18:24

        I dont know… But if it's been 1 or 2 days, I wouldn't call it a scam (just yet)

        A week.. Then yes. But OP hasn't made that clear

        • pharkurnell on 11/05/2022 - 19:19

          OP is only drip feeding info….

  • Porker on 11/05/2022 - 18:27
    +4

    How long has it been between you paying and you posting on OZB?

    Given seller was willing to let you pick up, there is a slight chance that the item is on its way to you.

    That being said, many scams do allow pick up and string you along until they get enough suckers paying up. I tend to troll the fake PS5 sellers confirming pick up address and time.

    In one case, the scam seller gave me an address and time to collect item, and then item disappeared. He relisted the item a few days later and had a different address. I recontacted him and he forgot we earlier conversed, at which point i asked if he had moved. He said 'yes' and then delisted the item

    I've seen scams listed for $50 items too. Figure it's a numbers game at that point

  • AdosHouse on 11/05/2022 - 18:33
    +1

    Lot of people clearly don't know the difference between criminal and civil matters.

    • Almost Banned on 11/05/2022 - 18:40
      +3

      Oh, and what is that difference, specifically in reference to the OP's scenario?

      • AdosHouse on 11/05/2022 - 21:00

        I find this works pretty well;

        "Civil vs Criminal law: Criminal law includes both state and commonwealth as representing the community prosecuting people or corporations involving penalties of imprisonment. Civil law involves disputes and resolutions between people or corporations involving money."

        See that second part, "Civil law involves disputes and resolutions between people or corporations involving money". Dispute between people involving money. That is how it applies to OP's scenario.

        • Almost Banned on 11/05/2022 - 22:32
          +4

          So, tell me how the OP's scenario doesn't fall into this:
          192E Fraud
          (1) A person who, by any deception, dishonestly—
          (a) obtains property belonging to another, or
          (b) obtains any financial advantage or causes any financial disadvantage,
          is guilty of the offence of fraud.

          • AdosHouse on 11/05/2022 - 22:46
            -5

            @Almost Banned: It simply isn't worth the police' time to investigate every single little complaint, that's why the civil court cases exist. Do you honestly want police to spend resources investigating every single time someone is scammed out of 1 cent or higher? It will costs thousands of dollars, potentially much more, for police to conduct a full investigation, and then on top of that pay for public prosecution, court time, and jail time.

            First off we would need many thousands of extra police, and who is paying for all this? You are happy easily spending $10k of public money so someone can get their $950 back? Are you paying for it.

            And then you would need to proof a criminal case exists. Did OP sign a legal contract with the seller/scammer? Does OP have messages that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a contract was entered into? Do you really want police checking banking records and phone transcripts because someone said they were scammed on the internet? Where does it end?

            • Almost Banned on 12/05/2022 - 12:09
              +3

              @AdosHouse: Yeah, god forbid the police actually do their job of investigating crimes because the sum involved is only $950.

              • AdosHouse on 12/05/2022 - 13:46

                @Almost Banned: Feel free to pay extra tax to pay for it.

                Also general duties police don't investigate crime, that's CIB's job, you know the one who investigate serious crimes, murder, weapons offenses, rapes, DV, etc. But I'm sure they should drop everything because someone got scammed out of some money, when there is literally thousands of threads on not doing the exact thing they did.

            • cookie2 on 16/05/2022 - 07:26

              @AdosHouse: First argument, civil not criminal. That gets questioned so just move onto the next. Second argument, cops don't have the resources. You know that this is an excuse you're giving right?

              • AdosHouse on 16/05/2022 - 11:03

                @cookie2: Do you actually know any cops? Talked to them, see how much work they have?

                CIB or whatever they are called in other states is the branch that investigates crimes, which is the ones that would have to investigate fraud or theft whichever way you would go for this. They are extremely busy, and now you want to lump thousands of cases a day on top of them? Do you realise how many people per day this happens to in Australia? So then CIB would have to spend months requesting warrants for phone records, bank account records, then interviewing both parties. Then IF they deem there is a case that Public Prosecution can successfully prosecute, they had it all over to PP who then take it to court.

                So you believe there are enough cops to deal with every one of these cases? Also you believe it is a good use of public funds to investigate all these cases? You are talking tens of thousands of taxpayer money being used to investigate every scam that happens.

          • seraphim2017 on 11/05/2022 - 23:26
            +2

            @Almost Banned: Civil = evidence on the balance of probabilities.
            Criminal = beyond reasonable doubt.

            Burden of evidence as well as specific act.

            Also, seemingly some willingness on part of buyer here to be scammed by a scumbag, member of a forum where every week someone gets conned and gets told GUMTREE IS CASH ONLY FACE TO FACE, and yet goes ahead as if it won't happen to them.

            Don't get me wrong, I feel for the OP $950 isn't chump change, and I hope they get lucky and its just in the mail. But there's some self responsibility to guarantee against these sort of cons as well, a personal duty of care for your own choices.

            • massafiri on 13/05/2022 - 15:13

              @seraphim2017: mmhmm - so when it happens to your elderly parents or a minor - who's fault is it then?
              Listen to yourself, you're actually trying to justify scammers like they're a healthy part of our economy.

              Either everyone plays by the rules or there are no rules. Choose one.

          • Wayne7497 on 16/05/2022 - 07:43

            @Almost Banned: (1) as you can only surmise intent.

        • Banana3 on 11/05/2022 - 22:37
          +3

          I don't think it's clear cut, even from your explanation. Scam is a criminal matter punishable by criminal laws.

          And I don't think police refusing to do anything about it (especially if they said it's because they are too busy doing something else or because it's "too insignificant" for them) is something acceptable from the law perspective either. The police are paid to investigate, they can't assume something is a civil matter or criminal matter before investigating.

          • heal on 12/05/2022 - 05:25

            @Banana3:

            The police are paid to investigate, they can't assume something is a civil matter or criminal matter before investigating.

            Agreed. Based on the info provided, it should be investigated, though it is not as easy as it seems if the seller is a professional fraudster. By the time police do their 10th notice to produce on a bank account, takes seconds to transfer money to another fake account but it takes the police a couple of months each per notice, they know it is not going to end up with a result and give up. Probably have 20 other cases they are investigating as well. They couldn't care less about writing a ticket as they barely have two minutes to scoff down some lunch. On the other hand it could be a first timer opportunist who decided to pocket the money. So in a perfect world, this fraud and the six others reported at the same station that day should be investigated thoroughly.

    • Joshman5k on 12/05/2022 - 17:49
      +1

      Fraud is a criminal offence and you can go to gaol for it.

  • Almost Banned on 11/05/2022 - 18:39
    +3

    Sadly unless you have a knife sticking out of your back the cops may well fob you off with a 'sorry mate, civil matter. Try a lawyer'.
    Based on your description I agree with you that it is at least arguably a fraud - but getting any police to be interested is another matter entirely.
    Good luck.

    • sildosaggins on 12/05/2022 - 14:29
      +1

      Even with the knife sticking out, it might take a couple of days.

  • AndyC1 on 11/05/2022 - 18:51
    -2

    Op has been on OZ bargain a while and should have read allot of posts by now Gumtree is cash only when you pickup the goods. So if OP has not read the posts then no amount of help will work IMHO.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 11/05/2022 - 20:51
    -3

    Hey OP, please wire me $50 and I will give you my opinion :D

  • newbiesh on 11/05/2022 - 21:17

    you can fill out a form online or take them to court

  • newbiesh on 11/05/2022 - 21:17
    +6

    use their number put an ad as free massage on gumtree

  • T3J on 11/05/2022 - 21:21

    It really sucks to be ripped off and the old adage 'if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely will be' rings true sadly far too often. OP knows the score and has straight up said he needed to vent. In an ideal world the police would chase up every complaint but the reality is they simply dont, wont, cant as well as someone else above said whos to say the other party wouldn't just flip it around and say you are scamming them. Its a sad state of affairs and personally why i gave up trying to sell things on ebay or other sites, it just become far too dodgy with untrustworthy people. I guess I'm fortunate enough not to have to care about selling bibs and bobs but end up usually giving away to family and friends instead.

  • geosta on 11/05/2022 - 21:30
    -5

    Sorry to be that guy but here's the reality check:

    Last year Australian's were scammed for at least $323 million. That's nearly $13 million / person. So by my reckoning, you're about $12.99 million ahead of the average.

    Obviously the vast majority of that is businesses being defrauded and not individuals, but that's the point. If you're not reporting being done for at least $500K, the cops really don't have the bandwidth. The scale of loss to fraud and scams is just staggering, and your $950 isn't even a blip in the report.

    Take this for what it is - an expensive lesson. Yes it sucks, and yes, the world should be a better place. All you can do, other than the obligatory "bikies", is to tell your family and friends what happened, and hopefully they will share in your lesson, rather than having to learn it from first hand experience.

    • Sidog on 11/05/2022 - 21:52
      +4

      Not even close bro

    • lordrupertliverpool on 11/05/2022 - 21:54
      +7

      It's $13 per person.

      • Randolph Duke on 11/05/2022 - 22:00
        +3

        Haha you’d think you’d double check your maths at $12.9mil ahead right.

      • mooney on 11/05/2022 - 22:04
        +4

        Don't be so quick to judge… maybe there are only 25 people in Australia.

        • massafiri on 13/05/2022 - 15:15

          Some people believe Australia isn't even real.

    • burningrage on 11/05/2022 - 22:48

      lol

    • darkmattersunB6c0MV on 12/05/2022 - 06:04
      +1

      Product of the Aussie education system, eh?

    • madrigal on 12/05/2022 - 07:16

      Mike Bloomberg 1 million every citizen MSNBC

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krHkjdnniDE

  • geosta on 11/05/2022 - 22:05
    +1

    Lol that's what you get for trying to do math a full bottle of semillon into the night :)

    While the math sucks, the point stands. In comparison to what other people are experiencing, a grand is nothing.

    • UNO on 13/05/2022 - 20:53

      I'm sure most speeding tickets are less than a grand, so why are those followed up?

      • geosta on 15/05/2022 - 23:15

        Because they don't require any further investigation. You're either issued with a ticket by a cop, or by a camera. As is proved every day in local/county courts, that is sufficient evidence to meet the "beyond reasonable doubt" threshold for a conviction, so as far as the State is concerned, they aren't investing in expensive and time consuming investigation work requiring specially-trained police resources which may or may not yield an tangible result, they are essentially acting as debt collectors with low-cost admin staff.

        • cookie2 on 16/05/2022 - 07:33

          And this is Acceptable to you? Just a fact of life that should be moved on from, without further thought?

          • zonra on 16/05/2022 - 07:49

            @cookie2: And what suggestions do you have? Try not to let all the police/government hate clouds your argument.

            Following up on a ticket: automatically issued mail, probably cost less than a minute to print and a stamp.

            Following up on naive people transferring $$$ to randos: take testimonies, show up at houses (potentially fake address), grabs details from bank acc (loops and holes to go through, potentially hijacked acc), man hours from trained investigator, standing witness in court etc. Let’s be conservative and say 10 hours all up at $40/hr, that’s $400 (taxpayers’ money) that may actually just gonna end up in an “he said, she said” situation.

            See here for a better cost breakdown.

          • geosta on 16/05/2022 - 18:38

            @cookie2: Police resources are finite, and I don't particularly want to pay any more taxes. So yes, I guess this is acceptable to me. Because the amount of tax I would have to pay to provide sufficient funding for the police to investigate to the satisfaction of the victim of every single scam report they receive is mindbogglingly large.

            This is not a new problem. The romans had an expression for it that we still use today: caveat emptor.

            Yes it sucks, I've been a victim of crime as well, but it's a dangerous world out there, but much less so here in Australia than most other places in the world, and I'm very thankful for that (and for the police, judiciary and prison system that keep it that way)

  • spedohero on 12/05/2022 - 01:02
    +1

    I am surprised bikies are not yet mentioned.

    • Ridiculous Panda on 12/05/2022 - 13:27
      -2

      That is because jokes age and become really boring, lame and cringe after a certain period of time. For your joke, the period has ended a few years ago. I suggest you move on.

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