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[Prime] Sennheiser Wireless Headphones HD 450SE $119 Delivered (Was $299 RRP) @ Amazon AU

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Experience great wireless sound and stay effortlessly connected with Amazon Alexa with the Sennheiser HD 450SE. With active noise cancellation, high quality wireless codec support, and Bluetooth 5.0 they deliver superior sound with deep dynamic bass. Advanced features include Alexa interaction, customization via the Sennheiser Smart Control App, a special podcast mode, and a 30-hour battery life, to deliver exceptional versatility for audio lovers. (copied from description)

Cheapest its been from a quick search and on CCC.

Must have amazon prime.

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This is part of Amazon Prime Day sale for 2022

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  • How is the noise cancelling and sound quality of this pair of headphone? How does it fare with the likes of more expensive headphones like XM3?

    • +10

      They are less comfortable, IMO sound far worse, microphone is terrible, the pads are VERY thick and look silly IMO, and the NC is average at best. These are budget cans.

      • +3

        ANC is on par with my 12 year old bose, but doesnt compete with modern cans. The over ear design does help here, but not as good as even budget sony/bose. Sound quality is good. I cant wear them for long. for the price they are still good value especially if you have a small head and dont need cutting edge ANC.

        • -1

          Modern cans? What is that… ring-pull? I suppose there is a niche out there for people who want to recreate the sounds of the sea, but you’re going to look really, really silly

      • I've found the microphone on my 450BT to be pretty decent, especially compared to colleagues' XM3/XM4s. Agreed on the comfort, sound and noise cancellation though.

        The biggest downside is easily the comfort, would've otherwise recommended them at the price but damn they hurt to wear.

        • Can you make call audio or video from this?

  • +2

    Seems like these don't get much love for some reason? Are there better general ANC/call headphones for the money?

    Found an old thread on the 450BTs some good feedback here

    • +3

      They are fine for this price bracket. The pads will wear out quickly, and the plastic band is quite weak so you will need to look after them. Also they look huge on peoples head due to the very thick pads. For this price they are fine.

      • +2

        A quick sleuth seems to indicate the Anker Q30/Q35 might be a better buy when on sale if you can forego the Sennheiser brand prestige?

        • +2

          Sennheiser brand prestige only exists on their premium products, not their cheap ones.

    • +3

      If you're looking for something 'audiophile' at broadly comparable pricepoints, checkout the Final Audio UX3000's or Status Audio ANC line.

      • Loving the look of the 'Final Audio' range.

        Looked up some of their high-end, studio cans and suck me sideways, they are in the 5k bracket!

        Thanks for the tip! What makes you suggest these parcticularly if I may ask?

        • +1

          suck me sideways

          Wouldn't that leave a hickey on your hip?

        • +3

          I've spent an ungodly amount on all manner of headphones and Final Audio is one of the few brands that keeps putting out consistently great stuff that I almost never regret purchasing…I literally bought their ZE3000's a few weeks ago, just to get their new rubber TWS type E Tips, on a hunch that that they'd pair well with my 64 Audio U12T's. They do, but the TWS themseoves have since also entered a high rotation in my TWS collection, just based on the sound quality and levels of isolation, even though that wasn't the purchase intent.

          Final's a bit of quirky 'boutique' Japanese audiophile brand, they just have strange levels of attention to detail in areas where you just wouldn't expect, they also have a history of making really excellent budget gear.

          5k is definitely not cheap, but it's not crazy for higher end headphones either, you don't need to spend that type of money to get good sound and it's definitely a dimishing returns thing, but when you do, you generally need a a full range of accompaning DACs and amps to get the most out of the headphones in that price range, which is how you end up spending 20k for a headphone system - audiophilia is a slippery slope.

          UX3000's will obliterate anything consumer oriented that Sony makes like the WH series, from a sound perspective.

          • @havequick: Sehnnheiser has been my go to brand for most headphones, earphones - its become a habit. Yamaha monitor speakers have proven to be great too.

            I'm going to keep an eye out for Final Audio, I like the attention to detail, nothing beats quality craftsmanship.

            Appreciate your time and response!

          • @havequick: Hey mate the UX3000 sounds really good from the other reviews that I could find as well, just wondering if you know where to get them? It appears that only the amazon US stock them whereas I can't even find the UX3000 on their Japanese home page

  • +1

    these are fine at this price but if you're really after ANC over-ears, don't bother with this price bracket. go with bose or sony or even sennheiser's momentum

    • +1

      AKG N700NC M2 is still around this price bracket, and while it's not class leading ANC, it has fantastic sound and holds at the same level of technical prowess as most existing ANC options.

      The tech involved, the bass requirements from the driver, as well as the bluetooth codecs, tend to reduce sound quality substantially. Fingers crossed for LC3 codec helping clean things up a bit, but it's an R&D challenge, that's for sure.

      • I have these, agree they sound great but they're also literally the most uncomfortable cans i own, their ANC isn't just bad, it basically doesn't work - it just introduces subtle white noise and is best left off.

        LC3 has basically nothing to do with improving sound quality vs. existing codecs, it's purely about directing audio from bluetooth classic (high bandwidth bluetooth) to compressing audio streams enough that they can run in Bluetooth Low Energy which is severely bandwidth constrained and largely only used for communicating with apps currently - the 'sound quality' targets of LC3 are basically matching the existing perceptual quality targets of SBC streams, just at signficiantly lower bitrates to enable LE transmission.

        SBC does not sound good.

        • I have these, agree they sound great but they're also literally the most uncomfortable cans i own, their ANC isn't just bad, it basically doesn't work - it just introduces subtle white noise and is best left off.

          I have personally used these with a chainsaw going off 10 metres away and they have done the job perfectly. YMMV with more varied external noise, but they work as advertised.

          LC3 has basically nothing to do with improving sound quality vs. existing codecs, it's purely about directing audio from bluetooth classic (high bandwidth bluetooth) to compressing audio streams enough that they can run in Bluetooth Low Energy which is severely bandwidth constrained and largely only used for communicating with apps currently - the 'sound quality' targets of LC3 are basically matching the existing perceptual quality targets of SBC streams, just at signficiantly lower bitrates to enable LE transmission.

          You're getting another nope from me here: LC3 is an improved codec, basically taking the best of everything on the market and taking it all a little bit further. The standard implementation can dip pretty low, but even at 160 kbps it's still beating what SBC delivers at its common max spec.

          Then there's LC3 Plus above that, and both support low latency.

          SBC does not sound good.

          This is highly dependent on hardware and implementation, but it's unusual to see an SBC implementation beyond 320 kbps.

          • @jasswolf: Agree that many of SBC's woes are related to implementation - the standard is just waaaay too broad and has lead to a whole host of weird implementations, that being said it's still got the least fidelity of any of the currently used codecs.

            That's why APTX is pretty much always the better choice, APTX has extremely strict implementation criteria and will basically sound the same between two APTX compatible devices, even though the codec itself is only marginally better than SBC itself.

            The issue with bluetooth sound quality really isn't on the codecs themselves now, LDAC is already capable of being 'effectively' lossless already and I can't tell the difference between aptx hd and LDAC the vast majority of the time, and even AAC, most of the time when it's from an apple device.

            What needs to happen is a royalty free successor (AAC, APTX & LDAC all require royalty payments) to SBC with strict implementation standards, LC3 COULD have been that but instead went in entirely the wrong direction. It's the bluetooth consortium that are the problem.

            Lossless music transmitted via 2.4ghz has been around for ~20 years, getting it implemented into bluetooth has been the problem.

            If you're prepared to spend the money, the best way to do A/B testing on bluetooth is either the iFi Go Blu - $300 or xDSD Gryphon - $900.

            • @havequick: For mine, it's about delivering something approaching LDAC that's low latency. That's going to see bluetooth genuinely moving into mid-fi quality territory, and I think LC3 and LC3 Plus can deliver that.

          • @jasswolf: Re. the AKG's, they have really good physical isolation, those earcups are great from that perspective, the ANC is trash though.

            Samsung just cannot seem to do ANC well, they're many, many generations behind things like Airoha's or Qualcomms implementations and in a different universe to Apple or Bose, I have literally ALL of Samsung's currently sold ANC prodcuts and they all suck at ANC and have terrible latency, irrespective of whether they're using Samsung's Scalable Codec or AAC and the OS they're connected to, which is annoying, because they all punch way above their weight from a tuning and sound quality perspective.

            • @havequick: I mean it's better than what Senny is doing with these headphones, but I accept that the XM4 from Sony pushed well past the AKG.

              Samsung have accepted failure with their chip and fab divisions, so you should see their next line of products shift towards 3rd party ANC/bluetooth hardware solutions until they get that back on track.

              • @jasswolf: XM3's and QC35's ANC are still waaaay ahead of the AKG's, the AKG's are pretty old but the QC35's were released in 2016 and are still superior.

  • Looking at these or the Edifier 820 or 830, can someone advise?

    Can't spend $300 on the likes of Sony unfortunately.

  • Are these an upgrade from xm2?

  • Are these sitting completely over ears or barely, and more on ears?

  • +1

    great pair of gym headphones i highly recommend. not the best sounding (compared to my sony wh1000xm3) but worlds better than any in ear head phones.

    i bought these years ago for $250 because i didn't want to wreck my sony wh1000xm3's at the gym. they look brand new and I've beaten them up for years. so great for working out if you can't stand the poor quality in ear headphones.

    also noise cancelling is good enough for gym sessions (block out SH*T gym music quite well).

  • Australia Post is selling JBL T500BT for $59, Officeworks JBL 500BT $48. Is there a difference between JBL T500BT and JBL 500BT?

  • Are these any good for voice or video calls on phone and laptop?

    • Same interest. My Sony XM3s are poor.

  • +1

    Damn, waited for the cashrewards today and gone, was there this morning

    • Boy I think they only just went up as well. I decided not to buy them so no impact.

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