ACT Banning Petrol and Diesel New Car Sales from 2035

tanksinatra on 19/07/2022 - 06:45
Last edited 22/07/2022 - 00:48 by 1 other user

Apparently the ACT is looking to become the first Australian state to set a firm end date for the sale of petrol and diesel-powered new cars.
The ban would be the first of its kind here in Australia, and will come into force in 2035.
We don't have any details on this plan or how it would be enforced.
I'd be interested to know if this would cover utes and other commercial vehicles.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/act-banning-petrol-die…
https://www.drive.com.au/news/act-to-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-…

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Comments

            • Drakesy on 21/07/2022 - 13:09
              +2

              @Vote for Pedro: It follows an inverse exponential distribution (similar to when internal combustion cars replaced horses).

              Intially heinously expensive and over time dropped in price significantly in a short period of time. This is what we're going through now.

              China will further accelerate this.

          • GrueHunter on 20/07/2022 - 21:36
            +3

            @pformag: "Yeah nah too expensive ay"

            /installs lift kit on new Ranger

          • ThithLord on 21/07/2022 - 08:33

            @pformag: Nissan Leaf are like $55k New in 2022. You're the big brains of the operation who thinks the prices will go up in 2035?

      • idonotknowwhy on 21/07/2022 - 23:12

        People who don't live in ACT

  • ShannonN on 19/07/2022 - 09:14
    +2

    Dont care I'm 66 now, in 13 years I dont think I ll'll be buying a new car or be doing a lot of driving

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 19/07/2022 - 13:29

      Ditto.

    • macrocephalic on 22/07/2022 - 08:45

      We bought a new car in 2017, at the time I said I hoped it would be the last ICE car we'd buy. My kids are toddlers, I'm hoping that they don't even have to drive themselves (although they might want to learn and I'll encourage that - just like I encourage people to learn to drive a manual car).

  • amzinguserman on 19/07/2022 - 09:33
    +5

    If they offer incentives to buy EV cars , have charging stations and have most of the government cars as EV. It seems like a good plan.

    Do a transition across instead of hard stop.

    Every EV car on the road is one less petrol reliant car. so even though i cant afford ev cars at least they will help reduce petrol prices.

    • Stopback on 19/07/2022 - 09:49

      its like in 10+ years

      • amzinguserman on 19/07/2022 - 10:28

        It will take time to plan and build. just think of the approvals needed to buy land for charging stations.

        • DashCam AKA Rolts on 19/07/2022 - 13:32
          +1

          Charging points in existing car parks makes much more sense, e.g. government office car parks for employees, shopping centre car parks etc…..

        • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 16:04
          +2

          No one is going to buy land for charging stations. That’s an outdated model. Charging will largely be done in existing carparks where a business wants you to stay and spend, or in some cases existing service stations.

          • amzinguserman on 19/07/2022 - 16:59

            @Euphemistic: even in existing places like carparks they tend to be 3rd party that is renting the spot. leases and licenses and electrical all takes time.

        • superuser on 20/07/2022 - 10:29

          They are building a charging station in ampol station now. Alexandria.

        • caitsith01 on 21/07/2022 - 17:05

          If you think it through, petrol stations are pretty obviously going to transition into this function over the next decade. They will realise that their business model is going to become unviable and they will shift. Get rid of most of your pumps, have parking for 20-30 cars to quick charge, and then sell people cheap Cornettos and coffees while they wait. Newer EVs can take in a decent amount of power in the time it takes one geriatric to fill their car, fumble around in their wallet, order a coffee, order a pie, fumble in their wallet and pay, too.

          • amzinguserman on 21/07/2022 - 19:28

            @caitsith01: yeah its not a bad idea. I can see some places taking it one step further and having those parking elevators but for EVs.

            But even conversion from petrol to EV station will take more then a year from lodging DA to installation and testing.

            • caitsith01 on 21/07/2022 - 21:41

              @amzinguserman: Sure, but actual construction won't be that big a deal. And as you've probably noticed they throw up normal petrol stations in a matter of weeks these days.

    • boomramada on 19/07/2022 - 10:22
      +2

      It just a good media stunt by politicians, in 10 years time, there wouldn't be many manufacturers
      making ICE vehicles at this rate.

      • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 10:32
        +1

        Only if there is a stick or carrot to make it so. Otherwise nothing changes.

    • smartazz104 on 20/07/2022 - 08:46
      +1

      Do a transition across instead of hard stop.

      It would be a transition, unless100% of drivers were planning on buying an new car ther day after this legislation is effective. You'd still be able to drive your car past then, if you already owned it before.

      • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 09:03
        +2

        It’s almost like people can’t read. They said by 2030 they expect 80-90% of sales to be EV.

      • caitsith01 on 21/07/2022 - 17:05

        Gee, maybe they're announcing it now so that people can, y'know, transition gradually.

    • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 09:00
      +3

      2022 to 2035 is what you call a transition. How much time do you need?

      • amzinguserman on 20/07/2022 - 09:44
        -1

        Its not about the timing but the actual steps they will take for it. Ideally you want a whole of industry change. Say from ground up you want enough mechanics trained to service EV cars,enough parts in stores if they break down, safety procedures if they catch fire. They needs to be commonplace. real concrete steps for it.

        • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 11:15
          +3

          The concrete step is to announce they are phasing out in 13 YEARS. It’s already started, EVs are becoming more common.

          Mechanics are going to encounter them slowly over time. Mechanics will transition away from changing oil but continue to do suspension, brake work etc. it’ll just be a change to dealing with more electronics - which is happening anyway.

        • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 12:54
          +1

          Step 1 is to announce a goal. The transition then starts and takes place over the next 13 years.

          It’s an important signal to the market to invest.

  • Benoffie on 19/07/2022 - 10:01
    +6

    Good. I'm surprised it wasn't 2030. More states will follow.

  • pharkurnell on 19/07/2022 - 10:05
    +5

    The rules will change 10 times between now and then….
    I'll keep my V8's …. screw new cars.

    • derrida derider on 21/07/2022 - 18:54

      Will your V8 still be going in 2035? If so, where are you going to find petrol (plus, of course, the buckets of oil it will need) in 2035?

      • pharkurnell on 21/07/2022 - 19:14

        Yep, why wouldn't it? Ex's dads 67 Falcon still going very well as are 10,000's of 50's onward cars…

        Where will I find fuel same place I find diesel currently for my Patrol - at the servo…
        It isn't going to disappear you realize? The arabs will make sure of that.

  • Seraphin7 on 19/07/2022 - 10:15
    -5

    I'm sure that restricting the sale of these vehicles to the 500,000-odd ACT residents will more than cover the emissions of the 8,000,000,000-odd people around the planet.

    • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 10:31
      +4

      If one region bites the bullet and gives it a try that helps other regions see that it is possible, and consider doing it too. It is hard to be the first to do something.

      • Seraphin7 on 19/07/2022 - 10:34
        -3

        It is hard to be the first to do something.

        Obviously why the world's largest polluters aren't interested in doing anything. Can't wait to see a flood of Chinese officials descending on Canberra to find out how they did it.

        • md333 on 19/07/2022 - 15:06
          +8

          China announced they would be banning fossil fuel vehicle sales from 2035 back in 2020, may be where Canberra got the idea from.

          • Binchicken22 on 20/07/2022 - 20:35

            @md333: Yes, that's just because China are playing the long game here. They have realised they control something like 90+% of solar manufacturing. China in 20 years will be what the oil rich nations have been for the last 50 to 100 years.

            If you believe China actually give a single f*** about the climate or CO2 emissions you are either incredibly ignorant or have rocks in your head.

            Hence why they are building coal fired power plants to produce the energy for their solar manufacturing 🤣.

            It's all a power game.

            • pharkurnell on 21/07/2022 - 19:12
              +1

              @Binchicken22:

              If you believe China actually give a single f*** about the climate or CO2 emissions you are either incredibly ignorant or have rocks in your head.

              Bingo!

        • cheekymonkey on 19/07/2022 - 15:34
          +1

          have you seen how many chinese companies are getting involved in electric cars?

          • Seraphin7 on 19/07/2022 - 15:51
            +2

            @cheekymonkey: Heaps. About the same number as are involved in the production of solar panels, wind turbines, and many other planet-saving technologies.

            It's just interesting that those companies' markets are all but entirely for export … very limited domestic demand in China.

            • dtoovey on 20/07/2022 - 11:38

              @Seraphin7: Not exactly true. China adding more solar GW per year than any other country, but also building coal plants.

            • dtc on 20/07/2022 - 16:21
              +1

              @Seraphin7:

              It's just interesting that those companies' markets are all but entirely for export … very limited domestic demand in China.

              other than the fact that EVs make up 26% of new car sales in China (including 21% for all-electric cars, 5% for plug in hybrids). Apart from that domestic demand, its is limited, yes.

            • derrida derider on 21/07/2022 - 18:57

              @Seraphin7: "Very limited domestic demand"? You're kidding. Around 30% of new car sales in China are now BEVs, and rising rapidly. And the Chinese car market is about the size of the US and European one COMBINED.

      • vinnychase on 19/07/2022 - 10:38

        ACT is slowly turning into American equivalent of California with their legal weed and stuff.

        • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 11:08

          Not slowly, it has always been like that. ACT has always been very liberal, a large proportion of the population work in or adjacent to the public service and accordingly care about other people and trying to make things better for them. As far as I know the ACT has always elected a Labor candidate to the lower house.

        • Vote for Pedro on 19/07/2022 - 16:46
          +1

          Just with better health care, a decent minimum wage and minus LA.

      • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 16:06
        +3

        Australia is so far behind most of the developed world it’s not funny.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 19/07/2022 - 13:37
      +2

      Same logic as "If everyone else is chucking their rubbish on the beach/in the park, why should I put mine in the bin?" Young primary school students tend to use this logic. By year 6, most of the kids have matured and will encourage others to do the right thing

  • Richmond Tigers on 19/07/2022 - 10:17

    Can't wait for that to come in all over the place, an EV should get me at least 1/20th of the way to Cape York.

  • Hackney on 19/07/2022 - 10:54

    This ain’t going to happen

    • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 11:07
      +3

      Why not? It’s 13 years away and a lot will change in that time.

      Maybe they won’t ban them, maybe the market will decide fossil fuels are too expensive, servicing (oil change) is a rort and a few other reasons that mean EVs are the only things people are going to want to buy at that time.

      • dtoovey on 20/07/2022 - 11:39
        +3

        Its called an 'S' curve, and people need to learn their history. Horse and carts virtually disappeared in 15 years when the first cars started being mass produced. And back then, there were very few petrol stations too.

      • pharkurnell on 21/07/2022 - 19:16

        … mean EVs are the only things people are going to want to buy at that time.

        Bzzzzzzzzzz.WrOnG

        • Euphemistic on 21/07/2022 - 19:58

          yeah, alright, some special luddites are going to want to stick with noisy, smelly expensive to fuel dino juice machines. The majority are going to recognise that EVs are better for many usage cases - with outback travel probably being the notable exception.

          • pharkurnell on 21/07/2022 - 23:40

            @Euphemistic:

            want to stick with noisy, smelly expensive to fuel dino juice machines.

            Noisy Smelly LMAO!!!!

    • Tleyx on 20/07/2022 - 21:08

      Want to bet?

      $20 to charity of winners choice

  • Baysew on 19/07/2022 - 11:11
    +6

    Apparently the ACT is looking to become the first Australian state…

    Is ACT actually a state?

  • Drakesy on 19/07/2022 - 11:14
    +6

    I think it's a great thing, even if it will happen organically.

    As soon as electric cars hit $30k each and get ranges >500k's petrol powered cars will be gone.

    next to no maintenance
    inherently more reliable
    can fill them up at home and work.
    The benefits will far outweigh the downsides.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 19/07/2022 - 16:47
      +1

      As soon as electric cars hit $30k each and get ranges >500k's petrol powered cars will be gone.

      somewhat agree but if you look at the price of lithium lately that is a long time away….

      also need a hell of a lot more infrastructure ie charging stations.

      i personally think they also need to get charging times down to under 20mins in the fast charge

      • Drakesy on 19/07/2022 - 17:12
        +3

        For 90% of commuting uses though an overnight charge will be more than enough to keep the car going. (The benefit of being able to fill up at home is glossed over a fair bit).

        Charging stations will come, just look at America which is covered in them (Teslas are far more prolific and relatively more affordable there), the infrastructure will follow

        30 mins every 500-600k's would be fairly standard for a road trip though. The average fuel stop would probably hit 15 minutes anyway.

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 19/07/2022 - 17:37
          +1

          For 90% of commuting uses though an overnight charge will be more than enough to keep the car going. (The benefit of being able to fill up at home is glossed over a fair bit).

          you might be right im not sure on the statics - i would be all for a 'plug in' hybrid but as some others have said they are too expensive at the moment i think there are too many issues in Australia and world wide with EV adoption that need to be solved.

          • Drakesy on 19/07/2022 - 18:07
            +1

            @Trying2SaveABuck: I think Norway has answered that, the problem is government and their policies and not the EV's themselves. Also it does help that Norwegians are fairly well off.

    • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 17:33

      As soon as electric cars hit $30k each and get ranges >500k's petrol powered cars will be gone.

      Or if they could get us $30k cars with 200km range and people start realising that their commute with a full range every morning will be more than comfortably covered by 200km, especially while there is a second ICE or long range car in the household.

    • pharkurnell on 21/07/2022 - 19:18

      Cant wait for it either.. think of the 100,000s more out of work from teh auto industry - whats left of it… should do wonders for the economy.

      and no i dont believe the current unemployment figures they dribble out

      • Drakesy on 21/07/2022 - 19:49
        +1

        What auto industry?
        We stopped car manufacturing years ago?
        As for supercheap auto and repco, they'll find their niche

  • Eatslikeacat on 19/07/2022 - 11:19
    +5

    All hell will break loose when batteries wear out. A family in Florida purchased a second hand car for $11,000. Battery stopped working. Replacement battery was $14,000. Then since it was an old model that battery was no longer made so they couldn't replace the battery anyway. Link: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/florida-family-discovers-…

    With petrol cars they can be serviced long after they're out of date. With battery cars they'll be forced to be disposed and that means more cars have to be purchased. Environmental backfire.

    Then the larger States and Federal government are addicted to fuel excise tax and there are already laws coming in to charge electric vehicles for how much they drive (so ironic for the environment). The tax can then be increased by successive governments.

    The government should let people choose and bring in policies which encourage uptake like reducing taxes and costs. Hopefully the ACT government's experiment roars ahead and fails abysmally as a real world example.

    • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 11:46
      +8

      They should have researched before they bought. That's like a bad Ozbargainer buying an old and cheap BMW and then complaining it needs maintenance which costs more than the car itself. If you are going to spend $11k on something it pays to do your research.

      They could have bought a more common model, or one that can take generic or more easily available replacement batteries.

      • Eatslikeacat on 19/07/2022 - 12:05
        +3

        There's currently no standardisation. The Tesla plugs are different from the generic plugs. The generic plugs are monstrosities designed to be backwards compatible with older variants. Batteries aren't standardised either. It would be ideal to have standardised batteries. For example, a car that takes AAAAAAAA or AAAAAAAAAAA sized batteries. In that way old models or new models don't become obsolete because the batteries aren't manufactured anymore.

        • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 12:15
          +9

          ICE car parts are not all standardised either. You can't stick a Camry engine in a VW beetle for example. And they've had a hundred years to figure it out. EVs have only had around a decade. Once EVs are more common, market forces will create the sort of thing you want (being able to use generic batteries that can go in multiple models of cars).

          • boomramada on 19/07/2022 - 12:47
            +1

            @Quantumcat: I don't think that's what Eatslikeacat try to say. More like petrol companies come up with new variant of efferent patrol and cars over 10 years can't use it kind of headache.

            • Quantumcat on 19/07/2022 - 12:53

              @boomramada: Oh ok fair enough

            • DashCam AKA Rolts on 19/07/2022 - 13:53
              +1

              @boomramada:

              More like petrol companies come up with new variant of efferent patrol and cars over 10 years can't use it kind of headache.

              You mean like leaded fuel.

              Tech allows adaptive practices. Just like petrol additives were developed and are used in older engines to compensate for lead free fuels. Cell technology is beginning to converge. For example BYD builds EV 'blade' batteries for other brands as well as for its own vehicles.

              There are already systems in place to reuse EV batteries that are below optimum power levels, but are suitable for lower draw demand use.

              Just as we replace motors and transmissions in ICE vehicles that no longer function, so we will with EV batteries. In fact one early model for EV rapid charging actually had swap-able battery units.

              As batteries become more energy dense, and consequently smaller, it should become easier to replace battery packs from older, usable EVs whose batteries are no longer serviceable.

            • GrueHunter on 20/07/2022 - 21:41

              @boomramada: Yeah that never happens

              Oh wait I can't fill this car with 91 only 95

              Oh wait I can only fill this car with diesel not petrol

    • Euphemistic on 19/07/2022 - 12:13
      +4

      With petrol cars they can be serviced long after they're out of date. With battery cars they'll be forced to be disposed and that means more cars have to be purchased. Environmental backfire.

      Petrol cars have had decades of production to develop spare parts and maintenance systems.

      EVs are relatively new and there isn’t a huge market for replacing batteries. There’s a small market in replacing batteries for Nissan Leaf to improve range and battery chemistry. Tesla batteries are fairly modular and commonly reused in converting classic cars for EV.

      Plus, batteries are over 90% recyclable which will mean a market will develop to reuse those materials.

      Right now replacing batteries is difficult and expensive. Once EVs become more common there will be more options.

      • derrida derider on 21/07/2022 - 19:04

        Yep. Also batteries in newer EVs last a LOT longer than in earlier ones. Don't judge today's, let alone tomorrow's, EV batteries by a 2014 LEAF (passively cooled first generation battery).

    • sheamas88 on 19/07/2022 - 12:42
      +2

      A family in Florida purchased a second hand car for $11,000. Battery stopped working. Replacement battery was $14,000. Then since it was an old model that battery was no longer made so they couldn't replace the battery anyway

      Seems pretty weird, car makers are required by law to provide spare parts for a certain amount of time. It looks like they are well within that period so Ford would have to supply a new battery if they are willing to pay. That car looks to be a really limited run as well, so any spare part unique to it would be hard to source.

      With battery cars they'll be forced to be disposed and that means more cars have to be purchased.

      Definitely a problem right now, but EV haven't really been around long enough to require large-scale replacements yet. In a few years car makers will have to start getting better at it, or risk public backlash. 95% of the battery can be recycled, and with larger volume hopefully there is still room for improvement

      Then the larger States and Federal government are addicted to fuel excise tax and there are already laws coming in to charge electric vehicles for how much they drive (so ironic for the environment).

      EV are way cheaper to run than ICE so even with additional tax for driving it would be cheaper to drive an EV still.

      The tax can then be increased by successive governments.

      Does this not also apply to the fuel excise tax too?

      The government should let people choose and bring in policies which encourage uptake like reducing taxes and costs.

      I don't disagree, but without some deadlines there will always be stragglers. Feds already have some proposed policies to make the up-front cost of EVs lower, which is the main issue with them right now. Once up-front cost is the same for an EV as it is for an ICE then due to the far lower running costs, EV uptake will skyrocket. Have a look at Norway to see

      • Eeples on 20/07/2022 - 22:14

        I have this dream that old EV batteries get a second life as house batteries storing electricity by excess energy from solar panels on the roof.

    • cheekymonkey on 19/07/2022 - 15:38
      +6

      Florida- all the weird stuff happens there. In Aus, that would read "a family in Gold Coast…"

    • cookie2 on 20/07/2022 - 07:29
      +1

      Choice. That's exactly what we seem to have forgotten, actually matters. Comments about going across the border or buying before the cutoff, don't seem to recognise the restriction of choice.

      • Vote for Pedro on 20/07/2022 - 08:36

        You will have a choice of which model EV to buy.

        What are you going to do when manufacturers stop producing ICE?

        • cookie2 on 20/07/2022 - 21:56

          If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

    • 91rs on 20/07/2022 - 10:19

      Needs to be more right to repair & repair data shared. Once we see significant numbers of EV in AUS this might change but most manufacturers are basically making you sign software licenses where you can't do anything for fear of being disconnected from support, parts, service. Look at the issues with repairing Tesla's around the world after selling them for 10 years (Model S).

      There aren't many other options out here for EV repairs that I'm aware of yet, it's a little bit more of a thing in the US but it has its issues.
      The "whole replacement" approach (specifically for batteries in this case) in place of a valid repair isn't very environmentally friendly and even worse financially for owners.

      It seems even worse than ICE cars to go through all the steps of manufacture (those batteries are so dirty) for a car to hit 8-10 years old and have an issue that economically writes the car off and sends it basically to scrap if they can't afford to repair it. Battery recycling is nowhere close to where it needs to be to try make EV cars "green" either, the propaganda on EV is amazing if you look at how terrible they are to make.

      At least with a common ICE car (lets take the OZB fav the Camry) you could get an engine swapped out for $2-3k tops, possibly less if you shop around.
      That keeps the same cary body on the road with used parts from another donor car which is surely far more green than a whole battery swap??

      • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 11:19
        +1

        EVs might be ‘terrible to make’ because they’ve got batteries but ICE isn’t much different if you consider how ‘terrible to make’ all the fuel and oils are.

        Batteries will be recycled more once there is more of a market.

        When we moved from horse and cart to ICE there was a similar transition. It took decades to build a system around ICE vehicles. Battery vehicles will develop systems too, and probably quicker than the transition to ICE because we already have electricity virtually everywhere.

      • derrida derider on 21/07/2022 - 19:07
        -1

        "The "whole replacement" approach (specifically for batteries in this case) in place of a valid repair isn't very environmentally friendly" How so? A lithium battery is 100% recyclable. You don't try and repair the lead-acid battery in your car when it goes - you replace and recycle, which is the most environmentally friendly way to deal with that lead..

    • idonotknowwhy on 21/07/2022 - 23:19

      I recently bought new batteries for my PS3 controllers (Sony don't make/sell them anymore) and they're as good as new.
      Maybe by 2035 Aliexpress will be selling cheap EV batteries.

  • Pawn Stars on 19/07/2022 - 16:04
    +9

    Interesting reading the comments on this thread and the hysterical responses.

    Australia doesn't manufacture cars anymore. So use some common sense & look at other right hand drive car markets and when they are banning combustion engine vehicles.

    Australia is too small a market for automakers so we get what the other markets get

  • Drakesy on 19/07/2022 - 17:22
    +3

    Oh Florida.
    Where outrage and finger pointing and blaming everyone but themselves is rife.

    But yeah as previously said.
    Let the third party repair industry pick up and start churning out replacement generic battery sets and the repair costs will drop significantly.
    This is just a sensationalist news article.

    Tesla's after 500,000k's were only just starting to need a battery replacement. Many provide a warranty of 80% battery life after 10 years.

    I've seen car engines grenade at half that and cost $15k+ to replace.
    It's not like car engines are cheap to run.

  • cookie2 on 20/07/2022 - 07:17
    +1

    Why can't our country figure out that it's better to encourage/incentivise ppl through policy etc rather than restrict something. I really hope that this gets reversed or atleast doesn't start similar moves in other states. And to those that state that electric will be cheaper etc id expect that they might be but a) nothing seems to really be getting cheaper, relative to income and b) no way they'll be as cheap as some second hand petrol cars you can get (currently, because these will increase moreso due to the new car ban).
    It will 100% limit choice and will make it harder for lower income earners and young adults to purchase a vehicle. It will increase debt through ppl getting finance for vehicle purchase and who knows, maybe increase in purchasing may even raise pricing. Great way to widen the gap even further, between the rich and poor.

    • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 07:27
      +1

      The market is headed this way. Many manufacturers have already stated they are hosting out ICE and will be fully electric by close to that time. They are already projecting it’ll be close to 90% by 2030 without mandates.

      Giving us 13 years is not forcing us to do anything that isn’t going to happen anyway. Just look at other countries, already got more than 80% EV sales.

      • cookie2 on 20/07/2022 - 07:33
        +2

        It doesn't matter if it is going to happen, what matters to me, and I'm surprised from here, not for many others, is being forced and the choice being removed and restricted. (This has nothing to do with my opinion on EVsas i think they're great and ev is the best way forward)

        • Euphemistic on 20/07/2022 - 07:38
          +4

          IMO it’s a good thing and should have started happening about 5 years ago.

          Our previous ‘head in the sand’ government has left us behind by sucking up to fossil fuel industries that know they are on the way out and merely delaying the inevitable. In the meantime they are profiting at our climate expense.

          Having choice is a furphy we are at the whim of mega corporations. Why do you honk there are so few EVs available to us right now? Because manufacturers have held off selling is EVs knowing they can flog off old tech also knowing that we’ll all want EVs in the very near future anyway.

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