New low for the 3080 Ti I believe. Hopefully this will set the benchmark for lowering prices.
Asus GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Turbo 12G OEM Blower Style Graphics Card $1299 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Umart
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Acestrikerz on 07/09/2022 - 21:27 umart.com.au (895 clicks)
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this is a completely fine cooler system
I had a blower Style cooler on my GTX 1080, never again. Thing sounded like an air raid siren while gaming and had times when it would thermal throttle in summer. My current RTX 3080 is triple fan which keeps it cool but heats up my office like crazy. I'm very doubtful that this style cooler is suitable for something as power hungry as an RTX 3080 ti.
Works for Workstation grade GPUs.
Which are usually clocked lower / don't boost aggressively.
performance isnt your issue, the integrity of your hearing is
Prices of GPaus might start going down once ETH merge occurs?
Who would spend $1300 on a card, and be happy with a blower style. Ugh
Probably those who want to waterblock it
I imagine there would be a number of people out there willing to put $1300 down on a card for the right style blower… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Either to take the cooler off and use the card in a custom loop, or in cases with poor airflow, blower-style cards actually work better as they dump the hot air outside the case.
It's often used to put 4 cards, still would be very noisy.
It's a myth that blowers work better in any but the most incredibly poorly designed and laid out cases. And even then regular coolers work better for the card itself, even if it might raise ambient in the case by a deg or two.
Have you seen the LTT cable management video where they end up stuffing the case with random shit just to disprove conventional wisdom regarding airflow?
May I request a link? LTT videos have awful titles + descriptions for finding anything
I haven't but I wouldn't expect cable management to impact airflow.
I was referring more to something like Dell cases or fish tanks.
@iseeyou1312: I don't know if you mean a literal fish tank - in which case I still don't know if you're talking airflow or a mineral oil build - or what.
But even in a dell case a standard card will do you better than a blower, or at least equal at lower temperatures.
@Grazz989: I'm talking about the PC cases that have glass on all sides.
I stuck a standard cooler 1660 super inside a dell case, and it would cause the entire PC to shut down from overheating within 1 minute of gaming. And that was only ~120 watts.
@iseeyou1312: Mate, it's 120W.
How is it going to cause overheating issues even in a fully enclosed airtight box? I might have a master's in science, but it's not necessary to do the math to figure out that even with 2 or 3 minutes you may - MAY - increase ambient air temps by a couple degs.
If you had overheating issues, it's completely unrelated to the style of cooler on the card.
@Grazz989: No, it was seriously how shit the Dell case was. Opened up the side of the case and the problem went away.
The heat from the GPU rose to the top of the case, throttled the CPU and system shut down. PC components can warm ambient air very quickly if there's practically no airflow in a very confined space, and the stock Intel cooler likely requires a large temperature differential with the ambient air to work effectively.
@iseeyou1312: You're not understanding what I'm saying.
I'm saying that you've got something very wrong, because even in the worst case scenario (no pun intended), such a weak heat source cannot physically increase case temperatures quickly enough to cause an overheating issue even remotely as quick as in your story. This is true even if your case is basically airtight, which of course is nonsense. Don't make me do the math.
It sounds like you had a bad power supply, and after a minute of gaming you reached peak power draw as components warmed up to their full operating temperature and fans spun to full. That would also explain why your PC just died as opposed to the CPU & GPU thermal throttling to keep themselves alive like they're supposed to.
@Grazz989: Oh, the CPU was thermal throttled, fps dived, it tried to keep going but couldn't and the system shut down to prevent CPU damage. Obviously I was also watching CPU temps in MSI afterburner.
It sounds like you had a bad power supply
Bad power supply that would work when the side panel was opened and the case was well ventilated?
Don't make me do the math.
Presuming we can use mST=Pt
T = 30 degrees
S = 1
P = 200 watts (for the GPU + CPU + system)
m = 25g (approximate mass of air inside case)So solving for t we get 38 seconds. I don't know why you think it requires inordinate amounts of energy to warm up a small volume of air, but now the science has proven it doesn't.
@iseeyou1312: What exactly is 'S' in this instance? 25g less than half of the amount of air in a standard 45L midtower.
It's only appropriate to talk about the wattage of the card itself - Your complaint is that the card specifically is causing the overheating issue. In a ludicrous, truly airtight box floating in a vacuum theoretical example, a computer without it would overheat and die anyway - it would just take twice as long, but still not long enough to do a gaming session. And in reality, it's just not nearly passing on enough heat to the CPU to do that either, assuming you have any ventilation whatsoever.
Further, you've only calculated the amount of time required to heat the air alone, and presumed that 100% of the energy generated by the card is immediately and permanently dumped into the air when of course in reality the card itself would heat up, and so would the mobo and the case itself, both of which are good conductors of heat and can be cooled by air surrounding it. You've not calculated the amount of time for that ambient air temperature increase to actually cause an increase in temperature in the mass of the air cooler, nor the CPU underneath. Of course, in reality the case isn't airtight, and even a single 80mm exhaust fan and some air gaps will handle 200W, because that's exactly the kind of wattage those cases was designed for.
Oh, the CPU was thermal throttled, fps dived
Then it sounds like your CPU cooler isn't working or is garbage, not the ambient temperature being too high. Reseat your CPU ensuring good contact and pressure with the proper amount of fresh, decent quality thermal paste. I guarantee you'll get better results.
Bad power supply that would work when the side panel was opened and the case was well ventilated?
… Yes? The efficiency (and, effectively, output capacity) of a PSU decreases with temperature. If the PSU is marginal to begin with, and it gets warm because it's doubling its heat output and the ventilation is poor, then it will get even warmer, less efficient, and therefore warmer again, and potentially trip a thermal shutdown (65c threshold is a reasonable figure from just a few minutes searching, and at 70% efficiency it would be generating ~86W of heat).
@Grazz989: It's a Dell case, 25g was probably an over estimate. I assumed it was 20L but was probably more like 12L. I also didn't account for the space taken up from internal components, which could've really made it more like 6-8L.
Fair point about the heatsinks, but they weren't that large. The exhaust fan was 40mm but there was really no where to pull air in from, so it would've just sucked in air from near the fan and then expelled it.
CPU and cooler were put into a different case and worked fine. I also tried reseating the cooler in that case with better thermal paste but it did nothing.
The heat in the case accumulated at the top, there was no airholes in the top. So really, only maybe 2L of air actually needed to be warmed up. But yeah, if the PSU had been hot you would also make a good point. The case's only source of air was what the GPU pulled in from the PCIe slots at the back, so at least the case below the GPU wasn't too bad.
I have the Gigabyte RTX 3080 Turbo that have the same blower style fan like this. At stock settings it's not louder than any of other 3-fans GPUs.
Even when I'm using the card in an small SFF case, it's not louder than 38db.The temp can get hot at around 86C during benchmarking. But at real world scenario, especially when rendering 4k videos or 3D scenes, it only got as high as 78C with less than 300W power draw.
Most of the noise complains come from the miners who always crank up the fans & power draw to 100% all the time, while having more than 1 of the same GPUs stacked together.
Miners don't 100% power draw though, the core voltage is limited. The memory is at 100% though, but the cards themselves use around half to two thirds of the TPD.
People who need 2 slot wide cards because they’re jamming 2-4+ in a case. That’s basically the market.
lol these shouldve been $800 on release
Just for gaming it's comparable to the 6800xt that's $450 less..
Could use that extra cash to beef up the rest of your system or buy an extra monitor/peripherals
Love my 6800xt chef kiss
cries in 6600 hodling
I recently had a 6600xt and cant really tell the diff between the two with the exception of Cyberpunk which is dreamy on the 6800xt.
@nedski: Yeah I get what you mean, I don’t see myself spending 3, 4, 5x the amount just so that it's a lil smoother or to have epic settings instead of high. I downgraded from a 3060ti
For AI related stuff like Stable Diffusion though which need nvidia cards, 12gb is probably the minimum you'll want for textual inversion, and the 3080's speed would be nice.
Hence why I wrote "just for gaming"
Yeah just reminding people that there is a reason for these nvidia deals to be posted, since people (fairly) always point out how terrible value for money they are for gaming. ^_^
@the cringe: Nah I suspect most of us would want to use it for a mix, when looking at personal shopping deals.
Sadly $1499 when selecting Online for postage to SA.
Two weeks until Lovelace announcement folks.
Wait until RTX4090 press event by NVidia, coming very soon™.
RTX2080Ti prices dropped by ~$1000 in Australia less than 24 hours after the 30 series press release.
Blower style cards can also have benefits in small form factor design cases.
Can't come soon enough.
probably won't perform as a 3080 Ti with that cooler though.