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Philips 2200 Series Lattego Fully Auto Espresso Machine EP2231/40 $499 Delivered @ Costco (Membership Required)

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Philips 2200 Series Lattego Fully Auto Espresso Machine EP2231/40 $499 Delivered @ Costco (Membership Required)
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semaj on 14/10/2022 - 11:46 costco.com.au (2085 clicks)
Last edited 14/10/2022 - 11:52 by 1 other user

Seems like a good price - Has been $529.11 before

Description pasted from site:

Makes 3 delicious fresh bean types of coffees, easier than ever LatteGo, the fastest to clean milk system. Easily make aromatic coffee varieties like Espresso, Coffee and Cappuccino at the touch of a button. LatteGo tops milk varieties with silky smooth froth, is easy to set up and can be cleaned in as little as 15 seconds. A variety of coffees customised to your taste.

Features include:
Silky smooth milk froth thanks to high speed LatteGo system.
Adjust aroma strength and quantity via My Coffee Choice.
Easy selection of your coffee with intuitive touch display.
Easily adjust to your taste with 12 step grinder levels.
Keep your beans fresh for longer thanks to the aroma seal.
20,000 cups of finest coffee with durable ceramic grinders (Based on 8 filters replacement as indicated by the machine).
Easy cleaning thanks to fully removable brew group.
Dishwasher safe parts for your convenience.

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  • dirtyhen on 14/10/2022 - 11:56
    +1

    Hi any good for just an ordinary coffee drinker?

    • TEER3X on 14/10/2022 - 12:04
      +23

      No you need to be extraordinary

    • FinnFinn on 14/10/2022 - 12:41
      +2

      Definitely will suit your needs - very happy with mine.

      Find beans you like, play around with the coffee settings e.g. strength, amount etc until you're happy with the taste

    • happykamper on 14/10/2022 - 16:29
      -1

      If you don't use it right, the coffee will be pretty ordinary.

      • mrhamez on 14/10/2022 - 17:02

        how do we use it right? as in following instructions?

        • happykamper on 14/10/2022 - 21:43

          It was really just a joke. But I guess using it right would be choosing grind etc. That suits your preference.

  • LaTerrible on 14/10/2022 - 12:35
    +3

    With recently bought one of these. It is vastly better than I would have guessed.

    I'm not about to sell up my gear for one, but jeez, it's alright

    • Regie69 on 14/10/2022 - 12:42

      Did you previously have a manual machine?

      • LaTerrible on 14/10/2022 - 12:53
        +1

        Blah, typo in my message. Meant to say work purchased one for the kitchen, and I've been amazed at the ease and quality of coffee it produces for the many coffee drinkers in the place, both milk and non milk coffee drinkers.

        As much as I love the """"art"""" of coffee making, if my Oscar ever packed it in, I'd certainly consider replacing it with something like this.

      • superbass on 14/10/2022 - 12:57

        I previously had breville barista express and switched to this for convenience sake.

        Not really apple-to-apple comparison, but trade off taste (breville 100% better) vs. convenience.(2200 wins)
        btw, automatic milk on this thing is way too hot for my liking, so much so that I used it twice and never again.

        In terms of price, $499 is a very good price but I don't rate it this much.

        • resisting the urge on 14/10/2022 - 13:20
          +5

          That sounds a lot of compromise.

          I spent years messing with these kind of machines. I'd pick them up on throw-out night, pull them apart, bring them back to full operational performance. Krups, Delonghi, Philips, the basic Brevilles (many of these brands are better now, agreed)… all the plastic fantastics.

          Then found a Gaggia Classic, replaced the seal, and found the right grind (a good grinder is not an option as anyone in coffee knows) and it was night and day.

          All these little machines that attempt to make steam through their brewing heads, or even a cut-price boiler, just can't compete with a full size boiler.

          The Gaggia was good but the lack of a second boiler wasted time each day, so went to a Breville dual boiler.

          4 mins/cup down to 85s, and even easier to use.

          For 6 years, didn't have to take another machine apart. 6000 glorious coffees and counting… never looked back. Nothing short of brilliant Australian design, these Breville BES-920s.

          Went from $50 machines to buying a brand new $1200 one, best money I spent ever (>10x)

          You only have to go ~2x!

          • yt55 on 14/10/2022 - 22:36

            @resisting the urge: What sort of servicing maintainance did you do with the Bes920 for longevity.

            • resisting the urge on 15/10/2022 - 08:27

              @yt55: The machine has a built in regime that's cadence changes depending on the kind of water supply you have locally. It tells you on the display when its time to run the process from the menu.

              I just use a commercial de-scaler (cheapest I can find that's branded) and a group pill for cleaning (cheap in packets of 100). I don't use a tank fiolter at all, not sure if that can make the pump's job any easier, or last any longer. They are probably a good idea, but they are costly and I still have the three that came with it.

              • yt55 on 15/10/2022 - 10:00

                @resisting the urge: Thanks for the info. The descaler process must be quite effective given that the tap water didn't kill the machine.

                • resisting the urge on 15/10/2022 - 10:55

                  @yt55: Sydney water is soft, not hard, so I don't think that is a factor that would really kill it here. The clear silicone pipes inside are all clean and not even yellowed. The pressure valve is working fine and not leaking at the base.

                  I did take the old pump apart- they are a big electromagnet around a plastic cylinder with a stainless plunger inside it; large stainless springs on both sides (one bigger) and it looked fine. Not obvious at all why it had jammed. But there was a small brown mark on the inside wall of the plastic cylinder (likely to be dirt or heat).

                  On closer inspection it came out, the shaft's plunger section was worn on one side (not worn down by more than a matter of microns, but the scratching was obvious enough to be seen by the naked eye), yet the plastic in the pipe was not noticeably bad, except for a 'brown mark'. But maybe it had evenly worn in a non-obvious way, as the shaft is free to rotate, and the springs would facilitate that, to some extent. If so, it would have had more room to wiggle over time, and eventually go off centre enough to jam.

  • Eriadnile on 14/10/2022 - 13:08
    +3

    Pretty good machine for the price, noting the brew unit is exactly the same as it's more expensive siblings, you're only paying a premium for additional features such as different drink options (which are useless I find since the milk frother only produces cappuccino style dry foam rather than flat white style microfoam, even though some machines say flat white or latte, you can't control the foam amount anyway).

    Highly recommend this over a pod machine though, this combined with ALDI beans (1kg for $16, this uses about 8-11g per shot) will save you more money over time than pods, and tastes world's better.

    • cornflakes on 14/10/2022 - 13:53
      +1

      I didn't mind the ALDI beans but for the last few months have been getting the 'Coles Urban Coffee Culture Strong Beans' for $12/kg. Don't get the medium roast as I found that one to be quite bland.

      You can't compare it to certain roasters, and it's got nothing on the standard Campos blend, but I think it's quite decent for taste vs value if you're going through a lot of beans.

      Coffee snobs will whinge and cry, but I bet they are the same ones that only buy wines that have gold stickers on them.

      • Eriadnile on 14/10/2022 - 18:53

        Oh might give these a go then, thanks for the recommendation!

    • wtfnodeal on 14/10/2022 - 13:56

      Which exactly Aldi beans (blend) do you recommend? TIA

      • hen dawg on 14/10/2022 - 14:18

        Single origin Brazil are my fav Aldi ones. Others in range still good but availability varies for season I think

      • Hahuh on 14/10/2022 - 17:57

        Don't know about that but for machines with built in grinders, you dont want darker roasts. You'll need to add those to the bypass.

      • Eriadnile on 14/10/2022 - 18:58

        The normal medium roast ones are good if you like a more bitter flavour note, but I prefer the single origin Brazil ones more (also a medium roast), the flavour seems a bit more complex.
        Have tried many different local roaster beans, from all the ones on sale here to the speciality ones that are like $20-25 per 250g, and yet still prefer the ALDI Brazil ones, $18 for 1kg is unbeatable value for what you get, (taste is very subjective though, so might be good for me but trash for another, I also didn't like the AIRJO Sumatra ones that everyone raves on about here).

        As stated by Hahuh, don't get dark oily beans, they will clog your grinder.

  • BlueSky84 on 14/10/2022 - 13:15

    Do anyone have a recommendation for Breville quality coffee with automatic machine? 🙏🏼

    • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 13:29
      +2

      For automatic expression machines, go for Philips/Saeco or Delonghi, if you have higher budget go for Jura.

    • yt55 on 14/10/2022 - 22:34
      +1

      The breville Oracle is pretty much all automatic. Can get for under $2000 now. Will not get similar quality in a bean to cup machine. Jura probably closest.

  • Rilakkujay on 14/10/2022 - 13:28
    +1

    Does anyone know if this can do milk froth on its own? Can make babycino at home.

    • TerryJustTerry on 14/10/2022 - 13:37

      I don't believe so - or not that I've figured out yet…

    • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 13:41

      https://www.philips.com.au/c-p/EP2231_40/series-2200-fully-a…
      Don't think so, accoding to the website only espresso, cappuccino, hot water and coffee.
      You can press the cappuccino, once milk froth is done press stop.

      • FinnFinn on 14/10/2022 - 14:37
        +2

        You can press the cappuccino, once milk froth is done press stop.

        Ya that's the workaround I've read and see on youtube for babycino's

      • Rilakkujay on 14/10/2022 - 17:01

        Good to have a work around, my previous Delonghi Magnifica EVO grinds the beans first before frothing the milk, sounds like this one wont have the same order.

    • sakinah on 14/10/2022 - 16:46

      I think you can just choose the pre ground function

    • Ametric on 14/10/2022 - 20:43

      You can select the manual setting on the beans strength (where you supposed to use ground coffee rather then beans) and press stop when milk frothing is finished or use with just hot water without using the grinder.

  • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 13:31

    I have the 4300 and it makes good coffee.
    Only cons I can think of is the weekly cleaning of the brew unit. Most other parts are dishwasher safe.

  • littlesoldier on 14/10/2022 - 13:43
    -1

    From memory this is the LatteGo that cannot do a Latte?
    I think the settings only makes Espresso, Black coffee, and Cappuccino

    • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 13:45
      +1

      Latte only means milk in that part of the world.

      • littlesoldier on 14/10/2022 - 13:55

        Isn't that the forth level and ratio of milk in Cappuccino and Caffé Latte are different?

        • wtfnodeal on 14/10/2022 - 13:58

          Ya I also thought Cappuccino had thicker dryer milk foam than Latte?

      • littlesoldier on 14/10/2022 - 14:07

        Not sure what you mean by "that part of the world"
        Philips 4300 has the "Coffee" option which is different from Cappuccino in milk ratio and milk foam

        • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 14:31
          +1

          Latte = milk in Europe, does not mean any kind of coffee.
          I have the 4300 and "Coffee" is similar to long black.

      • Hahuh on 14/10/2022 - 18:03

        Yep. I heard they serve you some milk if you ask for a latte 🤣

  • elliotb on 14/10/2022 - 14:02

    Anyone know what it means by black coffee, my partner drinks a long black and on the 4300 it has the option for a long black. Is there any difference?

    • mrgeckoz on 14/10/2022 - 14:30
      +4

      Technically long black = espresso + hot water, where as the "coffee" option in these machines is more like a long espresso, all water run through grinds until set volume reached.

    • Eriadnile on 14/10/2022 - 19:01

      No difference, this one can do a long black, and you can manually program the amount of water for the longest setting etc anyway so you can make a long black to your taste.

  • shro on 14/10/2022 - 15:37

    Anyone knows if the price is the same in store?

  • [Deactivated] on 14/10/2022 - 20:06

    It does pour coffee, can confirm, I have 2200.

  • zsh on 14/10/2022 - 22:27

    I saw on Youtube some ppl reckon wash the core of this machine every few days, especially in summer. And you need to apply special lubricant for some components every few month. Is it true? Does all automatic machine need the same maintenance?
    I'm just wondering if this machine is hassle free.

    • ATangk on 14/10/2022 - 22:57

      The video on the costco site shows this maintenance. The reason is that it will have to compress the grinds automatically. If you are using a manual coffee machine, you will be compressing the puck yourself. There will not be any internal moving part, so no need to do that sort of lubrication.

    • Eriadnile on 14/10/2022 - 23:17

      Yes just give the brew group a rinse and dry weekly, along with emptying the grounds bin and drip tray, doesn't take too long, 2-3 minutes maybe and then drying time on the bench.
      Lubricate once every one to two months, also takes about 1-2 minutes once you know which areas.
      They give you a tube of lube with the machine, but it's just food grade lube, easy to get.
      Pretty easy to maintain and clean thus far.

      • resisting the urge on 15/10/2022 - 08:36

        I once fixed a Delonghi auto that used a plastic tubular chamber to do the brewing. It is a common design in fully automatics, which relies on o-rings hence needing regular lubrication. Service techs like to use silicone, and few probably bother with the food-grade stuff they sell consumers.

        The whole idea of brewing acidic coffee in a plastic chamber, let alone adding a smidge of lube to coffee irks me, but the things need it. Grinds contaminate the o-rings over time, so eventually the rings, and the tube wear out. If you tear it down and change the rings every year you might get it to keep brewing well but given the output is compromised from day one these things are pretty much landfill when they get leaky (very few people spend hundreds to fix them, or do a successful DIY effort).

        Not sure if this is how this thing works (never seen one), but I'd say it's similar if not the same, its the cheapest way to automate grinds in and out of a pressure chamber.

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