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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU + Uncharted Game Bundle $599 Delivered @ Computer Alliance eBay
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Maybe. Depends on use case. For gaming, the 5800X3D runs laps around even the 7900X
I'd be careful with this statement (not that anyone else in the comments is). It genuinely depends on the game, though the number of games should increase over time.
Recent Unreal Engine games stand out as gaining benefit.
OK, the people who are downvoting might want to provide actual benchmarks where the 5800X3D consistently outperforms the 5800X in all games, let alone the 7000 series (spoiler: they won't).
Against 5800X
Video for 41 games
If you want an article
Another video for a couple games (see temps)
Against 5900X
@jasswolf: A third of games is exactly 33% of games. According to ur statement, If u benchmarked 100 games then only 33 games would have an improvement of 10% or lower, the rest 66% would have much higher frames.
Now do also remember the temps, a lot of times more than 10C between each other.Well its not much but the X3D is better and thats a fact. Whether u want to buy that or the 5900X is upto u completely. U can buy right now a 5900x for 589 while u can get the 5800x3d for just 599. Idk about u but i would go with the x3d at that price point all the time
@jasswolf: Be u man, this is my opinion, i see the 5800X3D better. U see the 5900x better.
U have all the freedom to choose from and no one is going to force u, at least not me! :3
i see the 5800X3D better. U see the 5900x better.
No, I'm saying check before you buy. You're saying it's always better for gaming - when it's not - and that the absolute margin of frames gained in each use case means nothing.
That's a massive oversimplification, but it sure makes for reddit upvotes and video views.
@jasswolf: U can downvote peoples comments as much as u want, but u cant force ur opinion on someone else.
If i said i wanted the 3D, what are u gonna do? Complain like ur doing when it doesnt affect u?
@LuslecGrace: It's not really an opinion though, it's a more thorough analysis… people are here to kick tyres and figure out value. I'll leave it there.
@jasswolf: If ur more gaming focused get the 5800X3D, if ur more productivity focused get the 5900x.
What do u not understand exactly? Are u trying to go against the thousands of people that have benchmarked and verified it?
Whats ur so called thorough analysis, where can i read it? U have nothing, just trying to spew out nonsense while being rude to anyone who doesnt agree with u.
@LuslecGrace: OK, one last pass: your oversimplification will lead people buying new PCs to target 5800X3D on AM4 now, instead of waiting 4 months for Ryzen 7000X3D on AM5, or grabbing 13th gen Intel in 2 days.
That's why I'm commenting. This is not worth building a new system for, it's not worth ditching a 12-core or 16-core CPU for if you're using that in the Ryzen 3000 or 5000 generations. There are games that benefit more from more cores than 6-8, there are also games that get zero benefit from the cache.
@jasswolf: I do agree with that statement completly. However its not like this will die in a year or be irrelevant, its still an extremely solid choice for gaming that will last u over 5 years.
But anyone that can easily afford or save up for the 7000X3D would be a much better choice.
@jasswolf: Then let it? It's like ur comparing a 3060 to a 4090, of course it would be worse than a new chip. U have this obssession with if something isn't the highest quality then its trash… (just like ur argument)
The confidence of people on OzBargain being both confidently correct and highly upvoted continues to amaze me sometimes.
With data sampled from TWENTY FIVE reviews, the 7900X marginally beats the 5800X3D in gaming (close enough to call it basically the same), which is a far cry the 5800X3D "running laps around" the 7900X.
And jasswolf has a completely valid and objectively true point regarding the cache not benefiting all titles. If you, the individual, play few or no games that clearly benefit from the scaling you're basically throwing away money compared to a 5700X/5800X (although there's not going to much gaming benefit for a 5900X either for most games). This is called out in most 5800X3D reviews as well. Even the reviews linked to argue against jasswolf's point say the X3D's benefits are conditional:
But, if you don't have the GPU power to take advantage of that extra headroom, or won't be playing at lower quality settings, then the 5800X3D won't be any faster than the 5800X for the most part — or the cheaper 5700X for that matter. -TechSpot's review linked earlier
People make use of comments here to make sure they're getting a good deal, so misleading statements like yours genuinely change the value proposition for buyers who aren't already armed with the knowledge they need to make purchasing decisions. Please try to be more factually accurate in your statements in future: the community here is relying on your accuracy.
After reading all the trash above and wondering why Luslec was getting up votes, i'm glad someone decided to speak truth and actually stand up for Jass's objective and unbiased views. It was honestly looking like Luslec had a fan group just up-voting everything they said.
Thank you, I completely forgot about the meta-review!
5800x3D has shown better FPS in games, so it's preferred by a lot
Horses for courses. 5800X3D is better for gaming, 5900X for basically everything else.
Probably depends on its primary use. If its for gaming this will be much better.
I would rather wait for a new CPU that doesn't force me to choose between gaming and multitasking performance for this price. Otherwise only interested in 5800x3d and 5900x for a bunch cheaper.
You are not forced to pick mate. This prioritised gaming performance and is also no slouch for multitasking.
RobBoss, AMD has a gun to Schnoz head, call the police! Try to hold on Schnoz, don’t let them force you to choose between gaming or multitasking Schnoz! Stay strong!
Who needs the cops when the hive mind wasted no time in swarming me lol. One chip is clearly superior in gaming, the other is clearly superior in multitasking. If that is a shocking revelation to you then study some more benchmarks.
@checkingthisout: I feel like Galileo when he suggested that the Earth was not at the centre of the solar system.
AMD got a loaded gun to your head, making you chose between a threadripper and a 5950x to bang out those mass excel sheets your company refuses to put into a database hey? I sincerely empathise with your position
Been looking to purchase one of these. Deals have been becoming better and better but still not by too much. Not sure how long I should wait.
Not sure how long I should wait.
I'm going with "when my GPU is so powerful the CPU is the bottleneck, since that's the closest it will get to making a human-detectable difference".
Good news is I won't have to spend the money for quite a few years yet.
I am actually currently at that stage with my 5600x and 3080. CPU is bottlenecking my GPU in Warzone even at 1440p. I struggle to maintain above 120 fps.
I'd just hate to spend so much when I can probably wait until the next x3D chips to release so this 5800x3D can drop in price.
im certainly not complaining but am i the only one kind of surprised we keep seeing better and better deals on this cpu given how much sense its made in the current market for some time?
PLE has it at 519, ETA in 2 days?
Where is that? Can you provide a link?
showing oss, but it seems like it lets you order..
If that wasn't a price error, it's already OoS.
Showing $659 for me
looks like they corrected it quickly
Damn, congrats to anyone who got that deal, I was about to jump on it
I literally ordered 2 minutes before this comment @ $529, so wasn't a pricing error.
or at least, if it was a pricing error then yeah rectified pretty quick.
@dnguy76: I got it for 519 and got confirmation email for the order…hopefully they won't change their mind :)
Fully missed this
Good price but if you can hold a little longer wait for Black Friday
Worth upgrading from a 5600x?
Unless you are seriously competitive in a specific game that benefits, no.
If you have a 4090 yes.
No, in any previously CPU cache-bound situation. Fortnite would probably benefit, for example.
And the 4090 is a weird choice considering it has the option of AI frame generation to bypass CPU bottlenecks entirely.
@velcrochicken: Where did I say otherwise? It does however increase frame rate without any impact from CPU bottleneck, because it's entirely done on GPU.
In a couple of GPU generations when it's boosting in 500 FPS games to 1000 FPS and the extra latency is 1-2 ms, the penalty will be a moot point for human perception and timing.
@jasswolf: The 4090 is bottlenecking many CPUs already. 5600X is a 6 core CPU and 4090 is generating 150+ FPS in most titles at 4K even without DLSS 2.1. With DLSS 2.1, 5600X is a bottleneck in many games.
The AI frame generation is still garbage as per HUB. Its promising, but has a long way to go just like DLSS 1.0.
@John Doh: Must be wonderful to sum up complex topics in 20 syllables or less!
The 4090 is hitting CPU and game engine bottlenecks, but that varies from game to game, CPU to CPU, and setting to setting.
Where CPU cache is the bottleneck, the 5800X3D will help performance against the 5000 series, but it won't consistently get it over the top of the 7000 series. 7000X3D should be out in 3-4 months, and that's where you want to land to minimise CPU bottlenecks.
AI frame generation is in a good space, it's a technology for taking 500 FPS to 1000 FPS in the future, but in today's game it will just give a kick to cinematic experiences.
@jasswolf: I get what you are saying, but without going into much details, the original argument - will a person benifit from going from 5600X to 5800X3D with a 4090?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ajDUIJalxis&feature=share&si=EMS…
Thats a decent 25+% uplift in performance. Its 1080P but a 3090 card. A 4090 with or without DLSS, will benifit. I give up after this.
@John Doh: Look at all the games, it's been specifically cherry picked to demonstrate where higher CPU cache and DRAM bandwidth benefits performance, hence the 5800X3D and the 12900K duking it out. Classic HWU, they really do mess with the dataset when it suits them.
Then look at the absolute gains: +50 FPS in Far Cry is great, but it's not a game that's you're trying to heavily push frames for. The 5800X3D and DDR5 platforms will of course age better, but not every game will make that change.
5800X3D at sub $500 will be a nice upgrade for 1000/2000 users and budget 3000 AM4 users, but for everyone else focus on 7000X3D next year… and only then if you're rocking a 40 series option, or high-end 30 series.
Shows 589 for me.
Must be a plus thing? I don’t have plus I see $649 - $50
Yes
Hey OZ Techies. I currently have an AMD 3900x paired with a 4090. Monitor is the LG C2 42 inch. If I were to improve my .1% lows and 1% lows for 4k gaming, wouldn't 5900x be a better choice for me over the 3D ?
From my understanding, if I was gaming at 1080p or 1440p then 5800x3d would make a good choice.
The reason why I am hesitant is because I do run a lot of docker containers and VM's on my PC and 5800x3d would actually be a downgrade as compared to 3900x if you look at the number of cores alone.
Any thoughts ?
5900x
you're clearly not strapped for cash… just build a separate dedicated gaming rig and shift the 4090 over?
Why? Since when did people start building seperate builds for browsing and editing then playing games? U cant do content creation with a gaming rig? U cant game with a content creators rig?
Big L
there are a lot of reasons one might want to separate their gaming computer from one running docker containers/doing content creation. basically all of them are obvious. if they have a video that needs to render and max out their cpu for a while, you won't have the best gaming experience during that. and if your docker containers are running services that need to be stable/available, why not toss it on another machine that's got its own dedicated resources. like they said, the op is loaded.
very weird attitude you've got over xrailgun's very reasonable comment.
@jbird84: The first person that asked really seems like hes trying to do both gaming and content creation using the same pc, thats why hes asking between cpu fully knowing one is better than the other at different things. My attitude isn't unreasonable.
that's a valid choice up to a certain point… like maybe a small NAS or casual streaming, but it sounds like OP's gone way past that, s/he needs specific tools for specific jobs. dockerized apps are almost always much more CPU/thread-dependent than GPU, so that was a reasonable "general" advice.
The 5900x is a better choice. While at gaming the 3d is a little - a lot better than the 5900, 5900x has extra cores and so performing those activites u mentioned would crush the 3d
Thank you. Is 5800x3D better than 5900x in 4k though ? If so how much better is it ?
Yes its pretty much at most times better. Don't take my word for it though, see thise video with ur own eyes to confirm :)
@LuslecGrace: All good. I was looking for a video that compare 5800x3D with 5900x in 4k. No luck though
3D V-Cache is typically resulting in much better percentile performance on the 5800X3D than other Ryzen 5000 chips, regardless of resolution.
If you were gaming exclusively, the 5800X3D would be an upgrade over a 3900X - I did this exact swap a few months ago. I use an RTX 3070 at 1440p 165Hz and the difference has been noticeable, but I also play a lot of games that benefit quite significantly from the huge L3 which absolutely factored into my decision to upgrade. I'm no longer using my main PC for any of the multi-threaded tasks I had in mind when I upgraded from a 1700 to a 3900X, so a 5800X3D was almost a no-brainer for me.
The decision to opt for a 5800X3D over say a 5900X or even a much cheaper 5600 (for some, not necessarily your scenario) requires more nuance than simply taking a big batch of games and averaging them out to get one percentage number. There are certain games (and types of games) where 3D V-Cache is transformative - where the 5800X3D is faster than even the latest Ryzen 7000 CPUs. There are plenty of games where a 5800X3D gets you the same performance as those newer Ryzen 7000 CPUs, so you're essentially a generation ahead in those games. And then there are some games that see no improvement whatsoever. You really need to look at the games you play and see if there's data out there for them.
If you're running a lot of VMs and other stuff on your main PC, you might be more interested in a 5900X instead - as long as you're happy with the gaming performance it can put out with a 4090. Or just keep using your 3900X if you're happy with the performance it offers right now, and maybe consider waiting for the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D chips (I'm just going to assume that by buying a 4090, you're not too phased by the higher platform costs of an upgrade to AM5). I guess Raptor Lake also factors into this as well by proxy.
I mainly game (1440p 165hz) and switched from 5900x to 5800x3d as it gives better performance in the games I mostly play and is at least level in all others. It has much better .1% and 1% lows which is where this chip really shines.
If you've got other uses such as VMs than 5900x is probably a better buy.
If nothing else this whole saga has convinced me that all the effort that went into getting people to pay attention to 0.1% and 1% lows, and stop the focus on averages and max frames, which was so easily gamed by ATI and Nvidia at the time, could easily disappear.
We are forever 1 cycle from ending up with another "3dmark01" bios setting that makes people feel very old about benchmarketing.
But that doesn’t include postage, showing $18 to deliver for me.
Strange, im now getting that option aswell. I thought BPC usually only deliver free for VIC.
@inDahoud: Otherwise there is this option…
https://www.centrecom.com.au/amd-ryzen-9-5900x-12-cores-24-t…
this is a different cpu?
Correct, some people might have a need for the 5900x or vice versa.
this isn't even a good price for the 5900x, its been as low as $530 before, not sure why you would post a link to this, seems misleading
back up to $679 now :(
Dammit, would have grabbed this!
Is it worth upgrading from 3600 and rx6600xt or is money better spent on 6800-6900xt ?
RX6800 16gb is a good option.. i got one new for $670
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/719849The R5 5600 is 15% slower but only costs $200 :)
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/731442What did you upgrade from?
I am hoping for XT at least. Will it bottleneck my CPU?
5900x may be a better deal?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265156720554