In Current Climate, if You Are Getting a New Car, Which Car Will You Get?

[Deactivated] on 11/11/2022 - 16:04
Last edited 11/11/2022 - 18:35

With petrol and diesel steadily increase in price, I thought I would like to renew this poll as I plan to get a new car next year.

When this forum topic is written, fuels are averagely priced (quoted from fuelcheck nsw) as followed:

  • Premium Diesel @ 236.6/L
  • 98 @ 222.0/L
  • 94 @ 199.6/L
  • 91 @ 198.9/L

Anyway, the point is they are getting expensive and with solar panel technology getting more advanced (I've been hearing from fellow neighbors, family & friends, colleagues that their quarterly electricity bills are on credit), it's probably time to invest in plugged-in electric car and get that fuel juice charged up.

The only concern with EV/BEV, may not be able to get to those longer destinations when there is no servo with charging facility.

I look forward to understand all your perspectives on this.

Poll Options expired

  • 251
    Fuel-based (Petrol/Diesel)
  • 67
    HEV (Hybrid)
  • 19
    PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid)
  • 307
    EV/BEV (Full Electric)
Automotive Car

Comments

        • Dogsrule on 12/11/2022 - 19:15

          Yeah I know right. Guess we'll have to go off-grid eventually the way things are going. Energy
          of all types seems to be sky rocketing in price.

  • InsertANameHere on 11/11/2022 - 17:56
    +6

    Mazda MX5 lets go

  • djones145 on 11/11/2022 - 18:01
    +14

    What advantages does motor car have over say, a train? … which I could also afford

    • pharkurnell on 11/11/2022 - 19:30
      +2

      we now have a figure: it's about $15 million per six-carriage train

      Im jealous you can afford one + track rental..

      • djones145 on 12/11/2022 - 09:50

        where are my simpsons fans :(

        • frostydog on 12/11/2022 - 16:54
          +2

          12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
          65 tons of American Pride!

          Canyonero! Canyonero!

        • resubaehtgnolhcs on 12/11/2022 - 17:02

          monorail!

    • EdenKai on 14/11/2022 - 22:01

      Goddam Count Homer.

  • Euphemistic on 11/11/2022 - 18:06

    Im not getting a new car. My next upgrade will be an EV of what I currently have, 4wd twin cab ute - which is not available yet.

    • mirovich on 12/11/2022 - 14:01
      +3

      Ah the dream of owning an EV Ute.

    • star-ggg on 12/11/2022 - 16:44

      A cargo + ppl mover that you can recharge daily sounds amazing

  • CheapandUsed on 11/11/2022 - 18:19
    +1

    I think it's about to get interesting, Australia's first EV ute has been confirmed

    But at this moment in time I would probably go fuel based or hybrid depending on need/range I was looking in.

    I do find it interesting how new fuel based cars have drastically increased in price, closing the gap with EVs which haven't increased as much.

    • spackbace on 11/11/2022 - 19:25

      The LDV eT60's 330km range

      Yeesh

      • CheapandUsed on 11/11/2022 - 19:29
        +5

        I can imagine tradies of the future will be asking their clients for power access, plugging their Utes in to charge and then pulling out the 18v power tools

        • nanonoise on 14/11/2022 - 16:35
          +3

          EV ute that runs on Makita batteries…

  • Andy22 on 11/11/2022 - 18:21
    +1

    A boat!

  • Oz8argain on 11/11/2022 - 19:06
    -2

    Apparently EV is only good if you can charge at home and off peak. otherwise it could end up costing more.

    • Dogsrule on 11/11/2022 - 20:41
      +1

      That's the way. Definitely would be too expensive and inconvenient if you had to rely on public charging.

    • knightxiii on 13/11/2022 - 14:37
      +14

      Most I've seen at public DC superchargers (120kW - 350kW) is 63c/kwh. More common chargers (still fast, ~50kW) seem to be 40c/kwh, same for peak energy price at home. At the current average of 15kwh per 100km, that's $6 based on the more common charging rate. The last stats from Australian Bureau of Statistics showed that in 2020, passenger vehicles in Australia used 11.1L/100km on average. At $2 a litre, that's $22.20. Maybe your petrol/diesel car is twice as efficient, that's still nearly twice the cost of the EV charge.

      Some ICE vehicles are more efficient than others and maybe the price of fuel will go down but that's still a pretty big gap to cover. 90%+ of your charging would be at home/off-peak anyway, but even with public/peak charging, the numbers are still way ahead.

      I charge at home on the solar at an opportunity cost of 6c per kwh, so a full 'tank' for me costs approx $4 based on a 60kw battery and some energy losses from charging. Advertised range of 480km but more like 400km. At current fuel prices, the comparable cost is $88. Sometimes I use the public fast DC charger down the road, but even that would only be $28 based on full 'tank', 40c/kwh charge and factoring in ~15% energy loss from charging efficiency. Occasionally if I'm heading to metro I can charge for free at some of the shopping centres.

      Supposedly cars in Australia do 13,000 km a year. At 40cents/kwh, that's $780. At 6cents/kwh, it's $117. The comparable fuel cost? $2,886 if fuel stays at $2/litre.

      Over 10 years, that's $7.8k at 40c (public charge or peak home charge), $1.2k at 6c (solar) or $28k in petrol at $2/litre. Solar has upfront costs but more households are getting on board every year because it reduces annual power bills anyway.

      We've owned petrol, gas, diesel, PHEVs and EVs. I think PHEVs are on the way out, and EVs aren't for everyone. If you live in medium/high density, I would say stick to petrol since charging might be tricky for some. Yes, the local/state govts are working with private sector to roll out tonnes of public charging stations, but they may get crowded at peak times as we transition to EVs and phase out petrol entirely. AMPOL have started rolling out chargers at petrol stations, the others won't be too far off. The margins on selling power are a lot better than petrol.

      The only way I can see it costing more is if you double the energy cost and halve the fuel cost. The last time fuel was $1/L was like, 12 years ago though.

      • JimB on 14/11/2022 - 12:49

        Actually the last time petrol was $1 per litre was about 2 years ago but that was short lived.

        The average EV consumption is around 20kw per 100km in the real world.

        But yet EVs are cheaper to run than ICE.

        • gyrex on 30/11/2022 - 23:25

          I average around 13kWh/100km in my Model Y on the highway (poor efficiencies at 110km/h) and 12kWh/100km shooting around town. These stats are logged via my Teslamate server.

          • JimB on 01/12/2022 - 07:15

            @gyrex: That’s pretty awesome.

            What’s that equal to in real world range?

            Or what’s the furthest you got on a single charge?

      • Oz8argain on 30/11/2022 - 23:11

        In some edge cases (ie long distance), EV can be more expensive than diesel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEBq1AXhJw&ab_channel=CarEx…

  • pharkurnell on 11/11/2022 - 19:32
    +1

    Motorbike. Probably another old FZR1000
    new bikes are stupidly priced if you want one that doesnt look like a machine men cartoon character.

  • Dogsrule on 11/11/2022 - 20:41
    +2

    Cheap Toyota hybrid if you're on a budget, EV if you're not. MG3 if you're really struggling.

    • kerfuffle on 11/11/2022 - 20:50
      +6

      Cheap Toyota hybrid

      What's that?

      (i.e. they're not that cheap any more …)

      • Dogsrule on 11/11/2022 - 21:51
        +2

        Well yeah it's all relative I guess. The cheapest EV is the Atto 3 @ $48k whereas the cheapest Corolla hybrid just had a big price rise to $34k.

        Keeping in mind I bought a 3rd gen Prius back in 2010 for $42k.

        • Stopback on 11/11/2022 - 23:29
          +6

          Yep and EVs are just gonna get better while ice cars are basically done and getting phased out.

      • bbinc on 12/11/2022 - 18:52

        Can’t wait to buy someone’s perfectly good Corolla/Camry/RAV4 ICE at bargain price!

  • Arcticsoldier on 12/11/2022 - 03:44
    -3

    Really surprised hydrogen vehicles isn't in the poll. It has the best of both worlds. Range and quick fuelling. I get that EVs have fast charging but it will not replace a good diesel anytime soon for towing and long range transport. Also wonder why hybrid diesel isn't a thing in here. Range, towing and some fuel saving

    • Hackney on 12/11/2022 - 05:54

      I really wish Hydrogen would gain traction.

      • pegaxs on 12/11/2022 - 09:52
        +3

        I dont think that hydrogen will take off. It's already too far behind the 8ball when compared to the roll out of EV charging. Added to this, you can put 10 EV chargers in the amount of space you need for 4 hydrogen filling points. For EV charging, you just need wired to ship your product to the outlet, fo hydrogen, you need much the same infrastructure as a regular fuel station.

        And its getting to a point where some EV's now charge as fast as a car can fill. There are 150kW and 300kW fast chargers out there, and if the car supports this rate, you will be able to charge your average EV in as little as a few mins or about the same as an ICE vehicle. EV charging will get a lot faster a lot sooner than they will be able to roll out hydrogen filling stations.

        If hydrogen had any skin in the game, the big players out there would be putting in hydrogen stations, not EV chargers at their fuel stations…

        • Hackney on 12/11/2022 - 09:57
          -1

          It’s a shame, just a great alternative fuel.

          • eddyah on 13/11/2022 - 12:39

            @Hackney: Yeah i'm sure everyone onboard the Hindenberg thought the same

            • ihfree on 13/11/2022 - 14:42

              @eddyah: I'm sure technology has sufficiently advanced to the point where each car won't be a mini Hindenburg.

            • Hackney on 13/11/2022 - 18:58
              +1

              @eddyah: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

      • SBOB on 12/11/2022 - 18:42
        +3

        Hydrogen would gain traction in long range travel such as trucks, buses, airplanes etc

        It just doesn't stack up as well for regular car usage with low average daily travel distances and vehicle mass.

      • Zondor on 13/11/2022 - 15:41

        We're apparently building a plant here in SA so in the future hopefully.

    • Dogsrule on 12/11/2022 - 21:35
      +2

      Also wonder why hybrid diesel isn't a thing in here. Range, towing and some fuel saving

      Diesel hybrids are on their way.

      Really surprised hydrogen vehicles isn't in the poll. It has the best of both worlds. Range and quick fuelling.

      Only two mainstream vehicles exist (Mirai, Nexo), they aren't for sale in Australia, and their global sales actually declined last year. There are only 2 refuelling stations in Australia, almost no fuel production capacity and their range isn't much better than the best EV's. Hydrogen production also takes about 3x more electricity per km of range than simply charging a battery directly.

      I also read that Hyundai have drastically reduced their R&D budget and expanded their EV budget, so it looks like the hydrogen torch will be carried by Toyota alone.

  • 0FoxGiven on 12/11/2022 - 06:07
    +2

    I'm surprised Hybrids (not PHEV) are not ruling this poll!

    • Almost/close to the price of the ICE equivalent
    • Super mileage
    • No range anxiety
    • Not hit with the PHEV / EV tax
    • Will hold its value much better while ICE cars are on its way out
    • Hackney on 12/11/2022 - 06:26
      +6

      This ‘so called’ Poll is NOT a true indication of what people are purchasing.To be taken with a ‘grain’ of salt.

    • NigelPearson on 12/11/2022 - 08:28

      • twice as complex as either an ICE or battery powered vehicle

      • 0FoxGiven on 12/11/2022 - 08:56

        Lol wut?!!

        Funny how something twice as "complex" costs just about 2-3k more than the equivalent ICE version. That makes it even more of a better deal then :D

        • [Deactivated] on 13/11/2022 - 06:47

          do you own HEV (Hybrid)? we shouldn't be voting based on what we currently have in the garage which may pollute the poll itself.

          • 0FoxGiven on 13/11/2022 - 10:16

            @[Deactivated]: I did, not too long ago. And I did so thinking about the exact thing this post is about. In the current climate, cost of fuel and all that. So I don't think it pollutes my judgement. If anything, it gives it more weight.

    • Dogsrule on 12/11/2022 - 21:45
      +2

      Hybrids are still great and the best compromise for most people. Wife has a RAV4 hybrid as the family car and I have an EV mostly used for my high km work commute, best of both worlds in our situation.

    • VanceSlade on 14/11/2022 - 07:23

      I think some men would still like to be somewhat active in the dating market.

  • drewbytes on 12/11/2022 - 08:11
    +3

    For me, a Tesla Model 3 LR ticked all the boxes. Almost free charging (on home solar) costs $1 per 100km travelled. Tech, amazing performance (I have the performance boost option), range, no servicing costs, charging infrastructure and it's costing me less to own per week than my previous ICE car.

    • Hackney on 12/11/2022 - 08:53
      +1

      Sure, but when you factor in the changeover costs(& I presume you traded a ICE in or sold privately) that is a lot of petrol you can buy.So, it can work out not so cost effective.As they say no such thing as a free meal.I like EV’s, but it is the outlay which can take years to recoup.

      • drewbytes on 12/11/2022 - 09:26
        +3

        I was buying a new car either way, and it was a no-brainer for me between buying a new ICE or a new EV.

        • boomramada on 12/11/2022 - 11:49
          +1

          That was a easy decision for me, my new ICE can do 1000km in one fuel tank.
          Cbr to Adl/Brisbane in one stop over.
          No need to worry about Sydney 3hr+ traffic in hot summer day.

          I would probably buy a EV like 5 years time but definitely not right now as a first car.

          • Grok on 13/11/2022 - 11:30

            @boomramada: Sounds dangerous to drive 1000km in one go, fatigue.

            Plus I would need to take a leak every couple of hours. On an EV you can add a couple of hours driving in the time it takes you to have a very short toilet and leg stretch break.

            • boomramada on 13/11/2022 - 14:34
              +2

              @Grok: Sure, but swap drivers won't take more than 5min. If you wanna leak sure, just use a fuel stop, no worries, probably another 5min. Plus you gets the flexibility of stop at anywhere not just a charging stations. Kids playgrounds, parks etc.

              I drive a lot interstate, ICE gives way more flexibility.

              Im not saying, I'm anti EV but 5 years down the track when infrastructure is more mature.

              • Grok on 13/11/2022 - 19:14
                +2

                @boomramada: Well for you ICE is still the go.

                I very rarely drive more than two hours away from home, many many people are the same.

    • jv on 12/11/2022 - 18:22
      +1

      $1 per 100km travelled.

      How much for the car?

  • saltypete on 12/11/2022 - 08:16
    +1

    Unless i had a common use for an ICE vehicle - towing etc, EV all the way, particularly if you can charge at home or work.

  • Sleeqb7 on 12/11/2022 - 11:36
    +2

    As an apartment boy, I don't have anywhere to plug in my car, so it would have to be petrol.
    If the housing market stopped being cooked, and I upgraded to a house, I'd probably get a plug in hybrid.

  • gyrex on 12/11/2022 - 11:45
    +5

    I just went through this process. I couldn't see the value in buying an ICE vehicle. My thought was that I'd be buying into a technology which has a limited lifespan and will suffer even more depreciation than normal, so I ended up buying a Tesla Model Y. Had it for 2.5 months and I absolutely love it.

  • 82norm on 12/11/2022 - 12:06

    I don’t know why governments don’t force car manufacturers to design future EV cars so that battery systems can be interchangeable with other brands based on type (sedan, SUV, hatch). Instead of this ridiculous plug into a PowerPoint or off street parking, you just roll into a servo, drive into some bay system and a robotics just swaps it out with a recharged battery and away you go. How hard would it to have spare banks of these batteries ready to go on the charge. No waiting time, no fear of needing to finding a charging station and it’s gotta be damn cheaper than PowerPoints on telegraph poles.

    • Grok on 13/11/2022 - 11:36

      A 50 kWh battery which is not particularly large is extremely heavy. You would need a machine to remove it and install the new one.

      The resulting car design would be much larger, heavier and more expensive.

      In new Tesla’s increasingly the battery is the actual chassis structural member of the car. It cannot be easily removed.

  • SwaddleShop on 12/11/2022 - 13:01
    +2

    EV all the way if you do a longer commute or drive a lot for business use it is well worth it. We have 4 ev for business and family use. Two Mg Zs Ev and two Tesla. They are all great to drive and easy to live with. Once you go ev for daily commuter it will ruin ICE for you. They are just easy to jump in and drive without fuss. Servicing is also easier especially with Tesla with no required servicing to keep the warranty. If you usually change it home you will spend less time over a year by far than all the time taken to fill up an ice car with petrol and this includes interstate car trips 4-5 times per year.

  • grog on 12/11/2022 - 13:06
    +2

    Suzuki mighty boy

  • bennos on 12/11/2022 - 13:08
    +2

    I ride to work.

    • goingDHfast on 14/11/2022 - 11:48
      +1

      This is the OzBargain way.

      Free (or very close) zero emissions and save $100+ on gym membership each month.

      • bhubb18 on 18/11/2022 - 16:05

        Because gym is exclusively for riding a bike

  • jeeg on 12/11/2022 - 14:15

    Is the overall cost of EV ownership really going to be much cheaper than ICE considering that the electricity tariff is going to increase significantly (possibly 50% or more) and that the EV is only going to be charged at night (except on weekend and if not going out at all)?

    Wondering if someone has done the maths? Keen to see how this all stacks up.

    • drewbytes on 12/11/2022 - 15:52
      +2

      I pay a flat rate of 19.5c kW at home. Charging at home on solar costs me a bit under $1/100km in lost FIT. Charging at my flat rate would cost me about $3/100km, whereas my relatively economical previous ICE would cost around $15/100km in 98 fuel. So electricity would need to be 5x more expensive and it would still cost the same as an ICE for fuel.

    • jv on 12/11/2022 - 18:24
      -2

      Is the overall cost of EV ownership really going to be much cheaper than ICE

      Absolutely not.

    • Ricktheroller on 12/11/2022 - 21:52

      Road use charge is also on the way, will vary from state to state but worth taking into account.

  • haha on 12/11/2022 - 14:18

    Could use a new landcruiser

  • 2esc on 12/11/2022 - 14:56
    -1

    No intention of buying a new car and never have either. I hang onto my cars for years keep them well serviced and dont abuse them. The money i have saved has gone towards paying my house off and my rentals.

  • buckethat on 12/11/2022 - 15:21

    Currently driving the OzBargain certified Camry. Don't really plan on changing for at least a few more years but next vehicle will probably be an EV.

    Wanted to switch out my Camry to a pocket rocket in my early 20s but now in my mid-late 20s, SUV/Crossover are starting to appeal to me for some reason.

    Front runner at the moment is Model Y, but other considerations would be IONIQ or Polestar. Hopefully there'll be a lot more compelling options by the time I'm ready.

  • Herbse on 12/11/2022 - 15:58
    +1

    An ev that's not a pos Tesla

    • [Deactivated] on 12/11/2022 - 15:59

      and why is that?

      • Herbse on 12/11/2022 - 16:17
        +4
        • They've consistently had quality issues compared to other brands.
        • constant recalls from poor quality and badly designed parts
        • Their servicing and after sales support is notoriously bad because they hate warranty issues

        All this has been mainly ignored and overlooked because the hype of owning a Tesla, just like the hype around owning an iPhone meant fanboys like me could overlook it. But with other manufacturers coming out with new cars, there's better options out there.

        Also, with the recent twitter escapades, the reality of Musk's idiocity has been exposed. I think a lot of people don't no longer want to be associated with that.

        • 0FoxGiven on 12/11/2022 - 22:56

          Not sure you were negged. That's the general feedback I have heard from ppl who got the car but give honest opinions (not hardcore fanboys). I'm not against EVs but I don't think Tesla is any greater (more likely worse off) compared to models from other manufacturers who have been around longer

          • Herbse on 13/11/2022 - 17:24

            @0FoxGiven: Honestly I'm surprised I wasn't downvoted more. In previous discussions, any comments critical of Tesla would be downvoted to hell.

            I personally think a lot of people have recently changed their views on the company.

        • Grok on 13/11/2022 - 11:23
          +4

          All those point are false.

          The reported quality issues were from the early Fremont USA cars when the factory was starting. The current cars, especially from China are almost perfect.

          The authorities count tiny over the air updates as Recalls which is ridiculous and outdated.

          Service and support is top notch. Spare parts prices are ridiculously cheap compared to similar premium brands.

          Since you mentioned Twitter we know why you don’t like the cars, politics.

        • saltypete on 13/11/2022 - 18:33

          Yes, they were pretty bad in previous ‘mercan stats. I do wonder if it is part of their support model where remote updates can trigger what they call a breakdown but is really just a software glitch.
          The paradox is that they are considered unreliable in some stats, but have very strong positive ownership attitudes - and I’m sure they’re not all fanboyz.

          Nevertheless even if we all want a Tesla, their reliability and quality of owner support needs to be backed with facts rather than excuses - as for any other product.

          Interested to see more info as it comes to light….

  • hopper on 12/11/2022 - 17:38

    Get a new ev with min of 400km range <$50k. Any thing above that is luxury I guess

    • Dogsrule on 12/11/2022 - 21:51

      BYD Atto 3 for the win.

  • Bid Sniper on 12/11/2022 - 18:28
    +1

    Have two late model ICE cars already which Im happy with.

    Only EV of buy at this stage is a e-bike.

    My issue with EV is that they all run non standardised batteries, so basically a economic write off in 10 years.

    • randysal on 14/11/2022 - 13:59

      The used battery from your EV when degraded to 70-80% capacity can still serve for a very long time as a home battery. It would then be recycled to make new better batteries.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 12/11/2022 - 18:50

    Will buy an EV the second the prices drop around a third….

    • hopper on 12/11/2022 - 22:48

      Couple more years I guess before battery production ramps up, we need more car makers from China

  • drprox on 12/11/2022 - 18:52

    If getting a "new car" I think you'd need a good reason not to go EV. Many people have a good, generally work, related reason to stick to ICE which is fine.
    Otherwise used for anything that drinks dino-juice.

  • CanadaAye on 12/11/2022 - 23:15

    Get yourself a methane and hydrogen sulfide powered vehicle and you can run it from all the crap your "fellow neighbors, family & friends, colleagues" have been feeding you about energy bills in credit.

  • Fobsessive on 13/11/2022 - 00:13
    +2

    Kia Stinger

  • altitudinous on 13/11/2022 - 00:25

    If I wanted to drive around town or to and from work I would buy an electric. But I don't I'm self employed and use public transport (electric). My 4WD is diesel, because I like heading inland, and there is absolutely no charging infrastructure out there. When there are 5 chargers at every service station I will be all over it.

  • quop on 13/11/2022 - 00:49

    My 13.5yo, $20k-odd Mitsubishi Lancer is still going strong. Thought about replacing with a new(er) car at around the same price point and whilst I like the idea of an BEV my budget doesn’t have room to allow spending a minimum of 2-2.5x more for one. At my budget about the only EV I could probably get is a first generation Leaf that’s not much newer than my ICE.

  • mlburnian on 13/11/2022 - 08:42

    Please, no Teslas, I dony know how people can drive such ugly cars.

  • payless69 on 13/11/2022 - 09:57

    Once I master Twitter, I enter his competition and win one of his cars!

  • Hvrd on 13/11/2022 - 10:20

    ICE and Hybrids will soon be the outcasts and taxed to oblivion forcing people off them soon, just as we are seeing in England.

    • Hackney on 13/11/2022 - 10:33
      -2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

      • Hvrd on 13/11/2022 - 11:29

        very good point you have made

    • gofree on 14/11/2022 - 00:53

      I was watching this comparison video between a similar spec EV BMW and ICE BMW in UK. There was a Peugeot in there too. They drove to another city and back. They topped up along the way and the EVs cost more at 57 pounds vs 52 pounds for the petrol car. Crazy.

      • Hvrd on 14/11/2022 - 18:38

        ev charging stations must be a rip off there if its true

        • gofree on 14/11/2022 - 22:32
          +1

          Yeah, that is 100% true and also travelling at 70mph (~113km/h) speed limit isn't as efficient for an EV. Anyway video below for anyone interested.

          https://youtu.be/SzZYRFZUbn0

  • Grok on 13/11/2022 - 11:25
    +1

    I have delayed my next car purchase so I can by an EV next.
    No more ICE cars for me, the tipping point has arrived.
    There is only one brand to buy for me and they are now designing their next smaller car which is what I want.

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