Seems to be a new lowest price. I haven't purchased there previously so unsure of their postage prices sorry!
Galax GeForce RTX 4070 Ti ST 1-Click OC 12GB Graphics Card $1299 + Delivery @ Umart / MSY
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Since launch this GPU has seen significant cuts (sales*) It's less than a month old and it's nearly $200 AUD under MSRP for that card. Don't buy it and you might just see it under $1k in a month or two.
Well given I have all of $0, doesn’t really bother me
cheers for keeping an eye on the market! I replied above accidentally haha. It was a general post.
Color me very skeptical of that. Prices should have plummeted further particularly after September, they did not. Logically they should, but it's kind of a shitshow.
Decent price
It seems almost non-abusive by comparison with other new cards - which is as close to "decent" as we're going to get I guess.
unsure why i got negged, it is an ok price
70 series for 1299 is decent?
yep it just got released so 4070 ti this is a decent price for 4070 it is not.
I'm not saying to buy it but for a new release is it ok price@michael9865: The release price of 3080 was 1100. This is 1399 release price and selling for 1299 and not even 80 series. Whether they sold 3080 at that price due to mining is a different story altogether as we dont have mining now.
Also going by the die size, this should have been a 4060 Ti.
@John Doh: Since 2019 has anyone ever gotten any gpu at release price.
Now I'm not saying this is a good price but it is decent when compared to others.
But yeah if people can wait then would say to wait a few months to see if it gets lower.
For people who can't wait then to get this
@michael9865: True, but those prices were driven by reduced production capacity in China, locked down gamers, and miners.
NVIDIA must have looked at scalper prices on 30 series and thought they could get a piece of the action. Market has changed. crypto demand has tanked, recent buyers aren't due an upgrade this year, and production caught up = 40 cards warming shelves. It's greed, plain and simple. The fact they tried to sell this card as '4080 12GB' for an extra US $100 is proof enough.
@John Doh: Why would you prefer the larger die size?
If it were still using the cheaper 8nm node, it would have a 3x larger die size and consume 2x power. It has 2x larger number of transistors and significantly faster compared to 3070ti.
It would be great to have it at the same price, but it's up to NVidia to set the price and for us to decide to buy it or a card from competitors.
@John Doh: In his other video, he estimated the cost per wafer increased from $75 for GA102 to $274 for AD102 (assuming the same yield, which is unlikely for the older and new process), so the fair retail price of the final GPU should increase by $200. It does not sound very convincing to me.
@DmytroP: Smaller die size means it's even cheaper to produce than last gen…
Do you know anything about pc hardware?
@JerraJones: You are comparing the Samsung 8N process with the TSMC 4N process, the price of the TSMC 4N wafer is about 2-4x higher, likely with a lower yield, which makes it even more expensive.
@DmytroP: Die size is ~33% smaller than 3070ti. That means more than a 33% increased yield from a wafer (defective wafers eat up less space so smaller dies increases yields exponentially not linearly). Samsung 8N also (reportedly) had bad yields. TSMC 4N wafer yields were already 70% a year ago and would've improved from then.
As for wafer prices, there are none I could find for samsung's 8N. TSMC was leaked/estimated to be around 16k USD/wafer for their 4N process (20k for 3N). Nvidia originally went to Samsung to save on costs, if they came back to TSMC it only makes sense it was for business ($$$) purposes.
@JerraJones: I'd expect Samsung 8N to be quite a bit cheaper since NVidia switched to Samsung to save cost. Given the leaked/estimated price of $9k for TSMC 7N and $17k for TSMC 5N, $20k for TSMC 3N, Samsung 8N should be at least 2x cheaper compared to TSMC 4N.
@John Doh: 3060 Ti launched with a 160W TDP. The 4070 Ti has a 285W TDP. I don't think it's fair to look at the die size purely.
@NuclearWessels: TDP increased from 3090 to 4090 too. Anyways, my earlier reply below hopefully conveyed my point of view. Cheers.
Because you must HODL as it's not $700 like the xx70's were in the days of yore
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You expressed your opinion on a GPU price. 10% of people will support you, 20% won't care and everyone else is googling how to tie a noose and the cheapest construction method for gallows.
Plus that one person still screaming HODL.
Yeah, that's why you and OP have been upvoted, because 70% want to hang you.
Can get a $50 further discount if you have AmEx deal saved to truly bring this to all time low. Proof that the 'EPIC HOUR' Shopping Express 10 units deal that got 79 upvotes wasn't at all a super rare discount that people needed to jump on
If people don't buy at this price, it will come down even lower for sure. Remember this card has only come out for 2-3weeks.
Isn't that the law of economics? A price people are willing to pay for a good or service??!
Unless manufacturers are on heavy copium that it'll sell until they go belly up.
Just a tip for anyone wondering whether you should hold off: Afterpay Day happens twice a year, typically in March and August
Going by previous AFP deals and this eBay Afterpay deal in march last year computer parts and graphics cards are one of the most popular / hottest selling items in this event, so if you're looking to score a better bargain, a little patience might pay off.
Awesome advice thanks mate !!
Nice price for a 4080 for under $1300..
Its 4070 ti not 4080
You missed the joke…
Its a joke within a joke.
4070ti was 4080 12g version
Considering the die size, a 4060 Ti lol ;) I get your joke BTW.
Die size is not a fair comparison, unless you are on the same nm. You should compare transistor count
Die size is a fair comparision as transistor counts increase over generation.
@John Doh: If you halve the nm size, of course you get a smaller surface area. Comparing die size is as illogical as comparing mhz between different generations
@greatlamp: So the 4070 ti has a similar die size to a 3060. It is also similar to a 770 kepler and a 1080 pascal card.
You see how comparing die size on it's own doesn't make sense? You need to also compare performance. The video isn't making the argument you are.
With the 3000 series Nvidia moved to an outdated fab process rather than a modern one - Samsung 8nm rather than TSMC 7nm. They increased die size to compensate. They also reduced prices significantly- what scalpers and distributors charged during the mining craze is irrelevant to Nvidias profits.
Saying the 4070ti should be a 60 series card is not reasonable, the 3000 generation used the 80 series chip in the 70 series and the 3060ti and simply disabled portions of the chip - because manufacturing cost was so cheap that was more efficient than designing a smaller chip to meet the performance target. This hasn't always been the case, and is in fact not following the historical trend based on the video you shared.
@John Doh: Look at the power wattage drawn. To do work, you need to draw power. How did the die size shrink, but the power increase from 160W (3060 Ti) to 285W (4070 Ti). The answer is more transistors in a smaller area.
Die size shrinks are common between generations.
The RTX3060 has a die size of 276mm2 compared to the RTX2060 size of 445mm2. Even between the same generational line ('060 series) the die size shrunk. The RTX 3070 has a smaller die than the RTX2060 - 392mm vs 445mm2.
The die size is a really poor choice of comparing inter-generational cards.
Transistor counts:
RTX 2060 : 10,800 million
RTX 3060 : 12,000 million
RTX 3060 Ti : 17,400 million
RTX 3070 : 17,400 million
RTX 3070 Ti: 17,400 million
RTX 3090: 28,300 millionRTX 4070 Ti : 35,800 million
RTX 4080 : 45,900 millionIt looks to me like Nvidia knew that if they released a card range with similar performance to their 3000 series people would be unhappy… so they crammed more into the card, got better performance and the prices had to jump.
How did the die size shrink, but the power increase from 160W (3060 Ti) to 285W (4070 Ti). The answer is more transistors in a smaller area.
That's wrong, and if you stopped to think about it for a few minutes you'd realize it's not a pattern that makes any sense historically.
If what you suggest is true, modern chips would each need gigawatts of energy compared to a 486.Energy is proportional to die size (area of transistors) NOT to the number of transistors - for a given clock speed.
Minutia aside, the energy requirements are greater for exactly the opposite reason of what you're trying to argue - to make up for the gimped I/O and die size, they have pushed the clocks of these new cards HIGHER.@NuclearWessels: For a bit of extra flavour, keep in mind that a lot of those new transistors have also gone to RTX and other dark-silicon algs rather than toward raw raster perf.
Die size shrinks are common between generations.
Die shrinks are almost the entire value proposition of a new generation. They aren't making breakthrough arch changes on raster cores. A lot of the differentiators are driver (software) based, not hardware. They've slapped more RTX cores in i suppose.
@NuclearWessels: Excellent explanation, many dont get it, bigger not always better, thats what she said btw.
@jsilverhand: Its not a deek, its a GPU. lol. Still bigger is better. I know of people who sold 308012GB to 3090 for lil bit extra performance and more memory. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13299382/redir
@NuclearWessels: Mate, you need to compare the die size between the full blown AD 102 to AD 103 and 104 etc. Not inter generation die size or the Transistor count.
Nvidia used to release the 80 series card on the 102 die. The die of the 80 used to be very large and the performance would be almost near the top of the stack. What ngreedia did was introduce the the 90 series which took the 80s place and 80 took the 70s place. Getting it? And to add to that, they doubled the price. So technically,
the 4090Ti should have been the Titan.
the 4090 should have been 4080Ti
the 4080 Ti which is yet to release with core count atleast in the 13k Should have been the 4080
the 4070Ti should have been the 4080 16GB or betterAdd to it double the price for the 80 series from 699 to 1199 USD which should have been the 4070Ti or at best 4070. Thats ridiculous. This is what lack of competition does. That was the whole point of the video I posted.
If you follow the samsung series, same thing happened. They introduced the S Utlra series, the best camera which used to come to the S Plus series now comes on the Ultra and the Plus series gets mediocre camera. The Ultra is prices uber high. Clever marketing.
@John Doh: I don't quite get your pattern- can you explain?. The series is below.
960 - GM206
970 - GM204
980 - GM2041060 - GP106
1070 - GP104
1080 - GP104
1080 Ti - GP1022060 - TU106
2060 Super - TU106/104
2070 - TU106
2070 Super - TU104
2080 - TU104
2080 Ti - TU1023060 - GA106
3060 Ti - GA104
3070 - GA104
3070 Ti - GA104
3080 - GA102
3080 Ti - GA102
3090 - GA1024060 - AD106
4070 - AD104
4080 - AD103
4090 - AD102I mean all I'm seeing is that the 4080 went from being '102 -> '103 .. but it used to be '104 back in the 1000/2000 series.
The '080 series has generally been '104 or '102 - the Ti variant has used '102.
The '070 series has generally been '104 - including Ti variants
The '060 series has always been '106 - with the Ti variants being '104 occasionallyThe 4070 Ti is '104 - same as the 1070/2070 Super/3070/3070 Ti
The 4080 is '103 but until the 3000 series the '080 series used to be '104
The 4090 is '102 and maintains the '102 from the 3000 series.I'm not really getting your point on how Nvidia has cheated us w/ die sizes - just going by that naming trend.
No u dont get the joke as you got trapped into another argument again with amd fanbois.
I guess some people are still salty that they had their box reprinted..
Why would people be salty…it’s a shit value to price even now, so unless the entire comment was sarcastic…(not just the 4080 rib)
Nice price.
Actually I'm planning to buy MSI Vector GP66 240hz OLED RTX3070ti model when it marks down around $2200~2400.
However, I think I should better to buy a desktop with a nice monitor later.HODL!
Nice price.
HODL!So not that nice.
I want the 'Best' price.
Despite both having the name "4070 Ti" or whatever, the desktop and mobile Nvidia GPUs this generation have less in common than ever before. Nvidia has gone from using cut down/power limited version of the same chips in laptops to using ones that are really a few tiers below their desktop counterparts before even considering power limits.
That was always the case unfortunately, this is just a return to form. The 3000 series were uniquely cheap to manufacture as 8nm was an out of date node before production even began.
Just another $400 to go. You can do it, Nvidia!
when 4080 gets to this price i will bite, HODL till then
The year is 2023, -70 tier cards are being sold for -90 tier prices (well really a 1080ti, but -90 cards werent a thing back then) as they were 5 years ago.
If you really somehow needed a 4070ti at this stage this is a good deal, but question comes to why would you need this kind of card:
if one want best performance hence going for a 40 gen, shouldnt one be looking at a 4090 or at the very least a 4080?
If one dont have the budget for a top end card, shouldnt one be looking at something with better perf% to $?, even if you are not checking out some radeon options, last gen nvidia cards seems better value for money?
This just seems like the awkward range where you are paying a massive premium for lastest tech but you arent actually getting the 'lastest and greatest'. Can someone who is more tech savvy on current desktop gpus educate this lad.
the pricing on this card is weird but makes sense to cashvidia , having said that 3090ti performance for $1300 is not too bad if you are only now upgrading from say 1080ti and play at 2k 144 hz screen.
you just dont need anything better3090ti performance for $1300
I keep seeing this but its such a garbage comparison.
1. The 3090ti was a rip off halo product with wildly crap price:perf
2. The 4070ti has gimped I/O compared to a 3090ti so will age worse/quicker, it's already more on par with a 3090 at 4K and worse in some cases.
It's worse price:perf than a 3090, unless you only play games using and particularly like upscaling.Look I'm all against cashvidia and all but I paid $1400 for 6800xt 2 years ago at the start of craze
If I was upgrading now and paid $1300 for this one and got better performance then what's the problemIf I was upgrading now and paid $1300 for this one and got better performance then what's the problem
Nothing, if people want to pay $9000 for a card to play games with then I personally don't care. I just don't like seeing bad comparisons based on marketing or poor understandings (plenty of that around). If someone says "i spent $4k on a top end 4090 because i wanted bragging rights/the best at any cost/to generate anime waifus with SD faster than anybody else/to play quake rtx at 8k" then more power to them.
@ssfps: Unfortunately AMD didn't come to the party this new generation, I don't rate their cards at all now .
7900xt is more expansive then 4070ti and performance wise they are similar , if you take RT then they even lose .
Not to mention you get better VR performance with NVIDIA as well .
It is what it is . Don't think we will see NVIDIA lower prices much unless something new comes along that forces them .
I'll wait for next gen but if people have been waiting to upgrade then AMD will loose even more ground and market share , they should be pricing 7900xt at $1k AUD .
@botchie: The problem is 6800xt isn't really 1400 anymore so it's a moot conparison. You can't compare price/performance using old inflated mining numbers.
@JerraJones: you can use any number you want, even current $ per frame.
whats a new 6800 XT worth now? $1k?
its a no brainer to buy this at 1.3K
want to compare it to 7800 XT - $1500 and worse performance ?I agree the prices are crap and I am not buying but just saying these are the prices
The 4070ti is still a good card, and its still cheaper than the others.
People will reason with a frame loss and a $ save.
Look at the price per frame breakdowns, it's not like you're taking a massive L with a 4070.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2601-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070…
Scroll down to the cost-per-frame section near the end. It's USD, not AUD so not a 1:1 comparison but this is one of the best value cards on the market. There's DLSS 3 on these too which is a bit of a cheat, but if your brain doesn't know better does it matter?I'm looking to upgrade my 2080ti at the moment, the 4080 doesn't make much sense to me because as you said why not just get a 4090? but there's enough of a gap in price between this and the 4090 that these feel like a good buy (to me).
That said, I am an idiot, so I'll probably bite on a 4090 deal but these are a relatively decent purchase too.
The 90 series is a cheaper, cut down Titan rather than a souped up 80 Ti
HODL
Umart OOS
nope, afaict there are still heaps at every store. That tells you something about the price. All 40 series need to come down much more
Ah yes, I can see there is some stock now.
My browser was defaulting to their store that was out.
NGreedia and retailers reeking of desperation. HODL!
I guess it is because 4070ti is similar performance as 3090, unless there is no more 3090 on market selling for $1500+, otherwise 4070ti price wont come down.
and if 4070ti sold for $800, how much would be 3060ti selling for? $400?
4070ti is similar to 3090ti but concept still applies.
$924USD, would like to see this $300USD cheaper but that won't be the case for quite some time
HODL to at least $750USD ($1050AUD)
This is roughly the same price as 3080. Wouldn't 3K series be cheaper now, or just nvidia or retail chains being greedy?
Mostly NVIDIA. Retailer margins are slim and AIB partners make piss all. It's why EVGA got out of the market, and the remaining ones have to tack on RGB and overkill fans to justify an extra $50 margin.
Hey its actually at RRP ! 799 = 1150 + gst
Now we just need to wait for a sales day :)
RRP is meaningless as a value assessment.
I believe Nvidia can do this for much lower price if this isn't selling well, I think they have huge profit margin on all geforce 4000 series. If people happy with these price, Nvidia happy to sell you at these price. If most people aren't happy with the price and not buying it? Nvidia could lower their price and still profit.
Are all GPUs in general overpriced? Yes. Doesn't mean this is isn't a decent price for "entry" level 4000 series.
I've been scoping prices for a couple of weeks and this is the same price as a RX 6900 XT so with this being a newer card and DLSS3 this is a decent deal.
I just saw a 6900xt card drop down to around 1150 a week ago but even at that price I think this card is better value to performance considering it's same performance as 3090ti. Plus better ray tracing and dlss 3, seems like a decent deal. Still id rather wait a bit more for prices to drop further before upgrading from a 1050ti.
Should I sell my 3080 12GB and get this instead?
Its an upgrade, but definitely not a big enough one to sell your existing 3080 imo
You will get $700-$800 Second hand spend $600 for a 15% gain
The 3080 12GB is essentially a power limited 3090. (Similarly, a 3090 is essentially a power limited 3090ti). If you have a good bin 3080 12GB it could perform like the aforementioned cards. Check their SM counts, they are (almost) the same and performance scales with SM.
There was a good explanation and comparison test of the 3080 12GB, 3090 and 3090ti done by FrameChasers on youtube.
If you want 4070ti/3090ti performance, you can look for try overclocking. Make sure you have a good cooling solution first as a cooler card will boost to higher clocks. To remove the power limit either find a power unlocked bios for your card and flash that or perform a shunt mod to the shunt resistors on the card. Make sure your power supply can handle the power draw.
Yes and get arc 780
Ask yourself. Does my current GPU still work? Do I want to buy an overpriced GPU just because it’s new? What am I doing now that I can’t do on my current GPU? What will this expensive new GPU worth in 6 months? Do I want to support greed and over consumption?
comparing to the 3080 which is similarly priced, this is a slightly better card no?
The inno3d could be had for the same price from ebay. Apparently has really good cooling
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/404091334877?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk…Are they selling the x4 version as well? The 3080 x4 looks badass.
$1300 for an upper mid tier gpu is still a stupid price, please don't make rich people richer by supporting inflation designed to make rich people richer and poor people poorer.
I ended up a inno3d ichill for $1300 then had some discounts added on top so ended up paying just over 1k, sold the 2060 super for a few hundred dollars so it worked out well. It's a fantastic card I'm pulling over 90fps in dying light 2 will everything turned up to full bickies on a 34in 4k monitor.
The last big card I got was a gtx 970 and I remember forking out more than I though for that when I bought it, to each thier own though I just couldn't be bothered waiting any more.
can you share how those other discounts worked thx
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price shows up for all queensland and nsw stores btw
their shipping calculator predicts $16 from Mansfield, QLD to Adelaide