Thinking about Moving from Sydney to Melbourne

Hi all, we are thinking to move from Sydney to Melbourne, and keen for some wisdom from you.

The main reason is simply we could get a better house with our budget in Melbourne 20km east of CBD with nice schools while we would get something 40km to the CBD in west/northwest Sydney with hardly any local development.

We make a bit more than 200k combined and both are working remotely.

Being in Sydney since 2017, I personally have only been to Melbourne for work so I wouldn't say know a great deal of Melbourne. All I know is they don't have many beaches and good weather, and people are more chilled.

Thanks for reading, any input would be greatly appreciated.

Comments

    • +7

      The weather is Melbourne is great! I'm not constantly drenched in sweat like Sydney haha. Actually I find Sydney to be far more humid than even Brisbane (I've been to Sydney many times over the years for business and friends, so I'm talking 18 years of history, not just recent).

      • 'I find Sydney to be far more humid than even Brisbane'

        interesting - I hated the humidity in Brisbane - 26C and humid I'd feel I was dying of heat prostration

        inner Sydney 28C and a cool breeze is a nice day

        unless you're outer western burbs where the heat and pollution lingers around midday - if so, sorry for you

      • +1

        Melbourne weather great? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one. Great if you like Arctic blasts in winter if the wind comes from the south and frozen winds off the snow in the mountains if the wind comes from the north. In summer you only get 3 months of good weather, if you're lucky. And out of those 3 months you only get a couple of weeks worth of good weather that's decent enough to go for a swim. Melbourne weather sucks.

        • +4

          Honestly you guys can’t, actually live in Melbourne to be spouting this tosh about the weather. Melbourne winters can get cold but that just requires a puffer jacket and an umbrella. We get 3 or 4 months of winter weather and we get Sunny days at intervals throughout. If anything Melbourne’s real issue is when we get three or four days of 40C in Summer; that is when it gets unpleasant. Fortunately the last few years we haven’t copped that.

          The weather in Melbourne for the last 5 to 6 months has been mostly lovely. I’ve been in sandals almost constantly.

          I do wonder about the resilience of some people if they have an issue with Melbourne weather. Don’t try somewhere like Canada in winter.

          • @try2bhelpful: Agree. This summer has been pretty good, only a couple of unbearably hot days, only a few days of unusually cold summer days, and excluding a few months of winter weather the rest of the year is usually quite nice.

            Sure if you want sun and warm weather 12 months of the year then Melbourne isn't for you but I find the climate in Melbourne to be good, best of both worlds IMO.

    • I like the seasons. It also creates indoor culture which is nice change from outdoor.

    • Melb winters are brutal and harsh. Antarctica winds.

  • +26

    As a long time Melbournian, and after visiting Sydney recently and walking along some of the Northern Beaches, IMHO our Bayside Beaches are not a patch on Sydney. If you come here thinking you can substitute our beaches for theirs, you might be disappointed.

    After living through covid lockdowns here and visiting Sydney, the biggest surprise was how normal everything felt. Down here, even now, there is just this underlying tension that things could go south at any moment. People are quick to anger and in some cases I've witnessed, downright nasty. A lot of people are still broken, you can sweep it under the rug and try to forget, but it's still there. I don't think anyone outside of Melbourne realises how bad it actually was.

    When we were there the Sydney CBD was actually pleasant to be in. The Melbourne CBD does recently appear to have had a bit of a comeback but for a long time after covid it was just a horrible place to be (homeless, drug affected, lots of empty stores). This does appear to slowly changing.

    There are lots of great places to live in the Melbourne Suburbs, but as mentioned above it's the same in Perth/Adelaide/Brisbane/Hobart. If you really have your heart set on leaving Sydney, I'd try and check them all (along with Melbourne) before making any kind of move. Not to mention regional Australia. If you can work fulltime remote, the world is your oyster.

    EDIT oh and yes, agreed with post above. Winter here, particuarly this last one, was quite brutal and depressing. Be prepared for that as well.

    • +5

      My suggestion is come visit us in Fitzroy. It has shot out of lockdown like an canon and the parklets mean even more people come out to party. We just had Midsumma and the atmosphere was amazing. I’ve never been in a crowd where it felt so mellow. There was no aggro at all, which is amazing given how many people were present. Melbourne is just about to enter the Food and Wine Festival and Melbourne International Festival timeframe. Probably not a bad time to come visit and have a look around.

      There are certain areas of Melbourne that are nursing a grudge about lockdown but most of us are just getting on with it. If you read the reports the Sydney CBD is struggling as well. Part of Melbourne’s problem, at the moment, is the building works in the Bourke St Mall.

      I do agree with the cold Winters but I can rug up for that. The weather in Sydney has been atrocious the last 12 months. I can deal with cold and heat, but humidity knocks me around.

      • +2

        I lived in Fitzaroy for 5 years and loved it - we were among the first customers at Marios in Brunswick St - but I've since read it's kinda yuppie town - when I was there it was cheaper artistic for students who couldn't afford Carlton - but yeah - I've strolled Brunswick St more times than I can remember (and Smith St less often) - happy daze

        • +1

          When I was at Uni, at Monash, we used to travel to Carlton to go to Cafe Paradiso. Sadly it was torn down to put in a shopping mall thingy.

          Fitzroy is a lot more “upmarket” than when we moved in but if you want grungy there are still places you can hang out. The Labour in Vain defies any attempt to go Yuppie.

          The downside of when we moved in was we started most days by collecting the syringes in the street and taking them to the disposal bins. I saw one guy injecting between his toes and a young women, with a baby in a pram, injecting in a laneway. What chance does the kid have?

    • +2

      What a sad answer, comparing Sydney vs Melb beaches, basically every town along the coast of Australia has far better beaches and everything else compared to M or S.

      • +1

        Don’t disagree.

      • Don't tell the biased folks from Sydney or Melbourne that (not all are like this, obviously).
        Born in Sydney and living in Melbourne, proudly not one of those types :)
        On a side note, why is everyone obsessed with beaches? Some of the most beautiful beaches I've seen would be in Spain, Italy, Greece and Brazil, from a scenic perspective.
        I guess it depends on what you are using the beach for, such as surfing or just to have a cheeky drink at a beach club and enjoy the view

    • +4

      The lockdown hangover thing might be area dependent, as living inner north Melbourne and working in the City it feels like for the most part everyone has well and truly bounced back and I have not experienced any of the quickness to anger or nastiness you refer to. If anything everybody seems more patient and humble than pre-covid.

      • I don't think it's necessarily an area thing but rather how much it impacted people who don't necessarily want to talk about it after something crazy like 280 days in lockdown and nearly 3 years of restrictions in place.

        There are signs of it everywhere, literally lol, I took my son to a park last week, just a random suburban park I'd never been to (just saw it on a map near a cafe we were at) and this random park with one park bench, slide and a swing had a steel post in the ground with a services Victoria QR code sign on it (like a metal sign)… Found that rather amusing, waste of money but amusing nonetheless and surprisingly in amazing condition.

        But people don't wanna talk about what they went through, caught up with a friend I haven't seen for 12 months and while it was just the two of us she told me that lockdowns left her near suicidal, woke up every day and cried, all her family lived too far away, her friends too, had to work from home in a tiny one bedroom apartment. I've had other friends tell me they are still recovering from the toll it took on them. I've had friends move interstate because they needed a fresh start after all that lockdown. I've had friends lose their jobs because cuts were made to protect the company at the start. I've got friends who own businesses that had to rack up debt to stay afloat because the government decided they weren't allowed to trade, I even know a couple of people who simply had to close their business for good and go fine casual work elsewhere because they couldn't continue to go backwards with no end in sight. One friend is a manager at a large company that has offices in every state, he has a hard time getting people to even come into the office one day a week while his peers in other states have no issues and staff are either full time in the office or coming in multiple days a week without fuss.

        It's very easy to go out shopping, go to a club, visit a cafe, a concert etc and just assume everything is busy so we must be fine. Underneath the surface there is a lot of pain and a lot of people are still dealing with whatever they went through which frankly no one from any other state will understand.

        • I get that it effected a lot of people negatively. But I also know a lot of people who are in better mental health states than prior (including myself). Lockdown forced me to move back to Australia, change career paths, reach a real rough space mentally, go back to therapy, and now I am in a far better place than I was prior. If it hadn't happened, I likely would still be pushing along convincing myself I was happy even though I wasn't.

    • +1

      Agree with everything you said but you forgot about our crippling debt that's set to reach $150 billion and go up to $300 billion if Dans train set costs us much as they're saying it will. This means lots more new taxes and many more new taxes and fines to be introduced.

      Cost of living is going to go through the roof here and Victoria is going to go through some very very hard times.

    • I love the Northern Beaches, the only issue is the public transport is terrible, from Palm Beach all the way around to Manly.
      Fine if you drive, but you'd expect something better for such a well-populated area (I get the feeling, locals would be up in arms if someone dare to suggest a rail line).
      Other than that, there are plenty of nice beaches, cafes and restaurants at all price points to enjoy :)

  • +19

    Please don’t move here. People in Tasmania, Adelaide and Perth are much more friendlier than people in Melbourne and Sydney. Move there.

    • +4

      Ssshhh! We keep up our weird facade over here for a reason!

    • +1

      NO! Let the SydMelbs cling to their sense of superiority over their respective rat nests. Leave the good cities to those that have the mental and emotional facilities to appreciate them……

      • No! As part of Australia all other states outside of NSW and VIC need to do their fair share and take in domestic and international migrants.

        Seriously though, Melbourne is growing quickly and more people moving to the city is going to make life for all residents worse IMO.

        • +2

          No Sydney and Melbournians are less happy because they waste their life in the big city, traffic, commuting, lines, overpopulation, over priced homes etc etc.

          It sjust a big prison.

      • +1

        As a Sydney person living in Melbourne, I'm happy to tell you I love many other cities around the country, particularly, Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart, Perth, Bendigo, Gold Coast, Sunny Coast and far north QLD (many others I still need to visit).
        So many beautiful sights to see and experiences that are unique to each of them.
        I usually only meet nice people in all these places who are very welcoming and ready to help out a tourist.
        When you have positive energy you tend to attract like minded people :)

    • +2

      Don't come to Perth. Despite being the most isolated capital in the world we're always half a step away from building a wall anyway - to keep Clive out, mostly.

    • +3

      I'm from Brisbane originally, and live on the far north NSW coast now. I did a road trip through central NSW down through Victoria early last year and it was noticeable how Victorians (even in rural areas) were less friendly and kept to themselves. It might have been a post-covid thing, I'm not sure.

    • +1

      Perth is full, sorry. Try Darwin.

  • +17

    Rent for at least 12 months before you commit to anything.

    • +3

      Yeah same house probably 1/4 cheaper next year.

      • Remind me 1 year!

    • enough said

    • One of the most sensible comments so far :)

  • +11

    Move to Adelaide, you could probably live in the CBD for the same price.

    • +8

      Shhhhh!

    • +1

      They are from sydmelb. Elizabeth is perhaps a better fit for them……😎

    • But then you'd be living in Adelaide.. Meth capital of the world

      • I have noticed construction sites are often littered with little baggies contains crystally residue.

        • yeah i notice them in the pub where all the tradies drink after work too.

  • +7

    Made the move from Sydney to Melbourne back in 2013, and don't regret it one bit. However whatever reasons I would state are entirely subjective. Do what I did and make a couple of trips down this way, then make your mind up based on your own experiences.

    • +2

      ^^This^^

      Everyone else has an opinion, but unless you are a daily beach visitor or sun worshipper, the beaches and weather are of little real consequence.

      • -1

        The weather is of little consequence unless your a sun worshipper ? Are you serious ? Of course freezing cold weather for most of the year has consequences on everything! You can’t do anything outdoors for most of the year especially with kids . You get sick more ofter . Sunlight effects your mood, vitamin d plus more.

        • +1

          Skin cancer, heat stroke, dehydration.

        • +3

          "…freezing cold weather…" - exaggeration much?

          "…can't do anything outdoors for most of the year especially with kids…" - really? Tell that to the 50k - 100k people that go to a single game of AFL each weekend during winter. Or all the kids that do outdoor sport all through winter. Or the people that surf at Victorian beaches all year long.

          • @GG57: No sorry its not an exaggeration. Oh wow some people going to AFL during the weekend . Try taking your kids to the park during our winter . Its freezing , wet , muddy and most days very windy . Yes i had my kids in after school sports last year in winter. Majority of the time it had to be moved indoors . It wouldn’t be as bad if winter actually lasted 3 months but it doesn't , its cold from autumn through to spring . We were still wearing jumpers in November and thats supposed to be the last month of spring

        • +2

          What a load of tosh.

          Freezing cold weather for most of the year? Are you kidding me? Do a Google on Melbourne’s weather. Even during our three months of Winter we get quite a few sunny days. If you rug up you can take the kids out. Hot muggy days is when it is hard to take the kids anywhere.

          Australia is the leading country for skin cancers, around the world. You don’t need a lot of exposure to get the requisite amount of vitamin D. Even in Melbourne a hat and sunscreen is needed.

        • +1

          The thing I don't get about the whole weather thing, is that neither city has perfect weather, both having plenty of their own unique problems. The way people talk, it's like Sydney is some sort of tropical Oasis. I have lived in California before and the weather there is vastly superior to both - I lost count of the number of subsequent perfect days I experienced while living there. So California is the only tolerable place to live then?

    • I did the same, moved from Syd to Melb and don't regret it, but your advice is wise and very sensible. After all, we all have very different objectives and personalities :)

  • +10

    My personal point from myself and my partner. She moved from Sydney living there for 10+ years. She prefers Melbourne for numerous reasons. She prefers less humid weather which Sydney has definitely.

    I showed her the personality of strangers test in Sydney. Talk to someone in line for something, eg: "So much for fast food eh?" and watch how in Sydney the average person will look at you are like on drugs as you don't dare talk to strangers. Did this test with her with and without about 40+ times. Only 1 person talked openly and had a good laugh with them, a 70+ year old woman. She now uses it as a test. I personally view the women dress better in Sydney,m but maybe its just when you travel around everywhere but home people dress better/different to what you are used to.

    Melbourne is a lot more of a go out (at dinner/coffee, etc) to see friends culture, Sydney is a lot more you go to their house. Explains why there is a big cafe/restaurant culture in.

    As for the food comment, I argue for Melbourne. And Im sure there will be people saying otherwise because they have an invested interest. Has covid affedcted Medlbopurne. Yes as all places.

    It just depends where you go and I know and generally Melbourne is recognised as the best. As above it really depends what you are after and seek in life.

    • +1

      Even in lockdown we could get take away food in Melbourne. We could get take away from places like Attica and Chin Chin’s that we would normally have to queue for and cost us much more. Now we are back to normal, the high end take away has disappeared as well.

      • Providoor worked well for me in lockdown. That started in Melbourne too and going still.

        • It is closed through February but I recommend Philippe’s for lunch during the week. It is $60 for two courses and $70 for three and that includes a 250ml carafe of wine. Not cheap but well worth it.

          Go to the last couple of pages to see a sample menu.
          https://philipperestaurant.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12…

          • @try2bhelpful: Was there late December. Been there a few other times.

            Edit: But must say its a good place.

            • @lanky074: It is where I had my work farewell lunch and it is our birthday go to. We’ve been following Phillipe around since Paul Bocuse in Daimaru. The ouef a la neige with the Hazelnut praline is a special favourite.

  • +2

    Melbourne! WHY?

  • +7

    As someone who's travelled, my opinion is that Sydney is the most beautiful and spectacular city in the world. However, as someone on a median/average salary, I've never lived there, and could never justify living there (unless something changes). I can get a better quality of life pretty much anywhere else.

    • However, as someone on a median/average salary

      This is because you don’t live in Sydney. Another pro for Sydney, highest salaries in the country (probably).

      • +4

        Probably depends which industry. In some industries, wages don’t vary by city.

      • +1

        Actually ACT has the highest income per capita followed by the NT and WA - NSW is in 4th. Perth is the capital city with the highest median weekly earnings as well. Really does bring into question how sustainable their house prices are…

        • Interesting. ACT is pretty self-explanatory. I would say the key is "per capita". Not sure about NT but WA has mining, and both states have lower populations compared to Sydney and Melbourne which would drag down the per capita income.

          Otherwise, I take back what I said and ForkSnorter can move to the ACT, NT or WA if they're chasing more income ;)

        • Meaning Perth property is relatively undervalued?

          • +1

            @us3rnam3tak3n: It is valued at the current market level. Unless there is a significant change in the future, such as an increase in demand over and above the availability of additional properties, it shouldn't change would it?

            • +1

              @GG57:

              Perth is the capital city with the highest median weekly earnings as well. Really does bring into question how sustainable their house prices are…

              My question related to this.

              Unless there is a significant change in the future, such as an increase in demand

              I don't see any drivers of rapid change. There is increased investment from the east but Perth property values have grown at a more sustainable rate imo

              • +2

                @us3rnam3tak3n:

                I don't see any drivers of rapid change. There is increased investment from the east but Perth property values have grown at a more sustainable rate imo

                Agreed, Perth doesn't have the attraction that the likes of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne have as major capital cities, in a way it's good because we can actually afford to live there as locals and don't get priced out of the market by foreigners that can buy their way into Australia via the investment program (bring in $2.5 million) and skip the queue. (top 10% income earners of China would total 100 million people and apply that to the rest of the world).

                I really feel sorry for Australia's future generation who are getting priced out because our government values artifical immigration economic growth over per capita growth - which is going backwards along with our birth rates.

                • @Drakesy:

                  …per capita growth - which is going backwards along with our birth rates.

                  Interestingly, I just read that some provinces in China are providing up to 30 days paid 'marriage leave' to stimulate the population growth.

                  • -1

                    @GG57: So what if China is doing this or that ? Why would anyone want to take advice from China, where people have far less rights and are owned by companies.

                  • @GG57: I wish i could apply for 30 days marriage leave…

      • Worst rates in health…

    • +2

      Sydney is beautiful, but you haven't travelled enough.

      • +2

        I dunno, I've seen a fair bit of Europe, Asia, and the US. If you're a tourist, obviously places like Rome and Venice are more interesting. The inner cities of Prague and Florence are probably more beautiful than the Sydney CBD. Swiss cities have better mountain views.

        But if you look at the suburbs along the Sydney Harbour, there is nothing around the world to match the incredible combination of water views, beautiful houses, beaches, nature, and city skyline glimpses in the distance.

        Then the inner city has 3 iconic landmarks that stick out against the skyscrapers: Harbour Bridge, Opera House, and Sydney Tower. This is more than most cities, which often have nothing visible above/near the skyscrapers.

        Then there is the colour. With clearer skies than many metropolises like Los Angeles and Tokyo, you often get deep blue skies in Sydney, which goes well with the blue harbour water and abundance of greenery.

        And, with so much money pumped into property development, there is a world-class level of housing quality in the more expensive suburbs.

        • +3

          Yeah, you have snorted one too many forks.
          Sydney is pretty but there are much better and prettier cities in Europe.
          Walking around Circular Quay is soulless.
          Housing development is total crap, lots of money buys rubbish with no QC.
          Weather is arguably nicer in Sydney tho.

          • @Sinnerator:

            Weather is arguably nicer in Sydney tho.

            How was all that rain for you?

          • @Sinnerator:

            Walking around Circular Quay is soulless.

            Really? Every time I come back to Circular Quay I feel like I'm greeting an old friend. I feel this sense of timelessness. Maybe it's because I visited it as a child and it stuck with me.

          • @Sinnerator: Sydney has arguably the most beautiful natural harbour in the world - blighted by fugly buildings

            but not too bad for 200 years of effort compared to thousands of years of cultural contributions for major cities in Europe

        • I would also wager you haven't lived in any other cities. I have lived in 4 countries and several cities within each and my impression of most places I lived changed over time, some positive, some negative. Over time you will explore and find many things you cannot see when you just travel through.

          Comparing the place you have extensive experience living in vs random places you might spend a day or two in is akin to tyre kicking in a car deadlership imho.

          I remember when I returned to Sydney from overseas in 2011, I experienced vastly more rain in than I did in places like London, it was literally bucketing down every day back then. I made sure I showed friends who had only seen the Aussie tourism brochures that it's not all sunshine and beaches.

          The quality of building construction in Australia is vastly inferior to most other places I have been to. Just because they are ridiculously expensive, does not mean they are well made.

  • +3
    • On the ball as usual I see.

  • +4

    Have a look at Jimmy Rees POV for the capitals

    Melbourne
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEWS3ww_i0

    Sydney
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjiGzqnUHU

  • +6

    We make a bit more than 200k combined and both are working remotely

    So you could live anywhere, and you're actively choosing to move to a major capital city.
    Crazy :)

    • I grew up in Geelong and as much as I loved that city I wouldn’t swap my place in Fitzroy for Geelong. There just isn’t the choices, and variety, available in a smaller town that there is in a Capital city.

    • We really don't need to encourage more city people into rural areas.

  • +1

    I think Melbourne is OK if you want to live in the suburbs, but I find the CBD dreary and that grey river… I also find Melburnians unfriendly, they often have a bolshie chip on their shoulder attitude. I've really tried to like the city but don't much. I'll never forget my first business trip 40 years ago. The supplier I visited (and bought lots of stuff from) asked me where I was from (Sydney), he said 'we don't like people from Sydney'… so Melbourne.

    • +3

      Next time, please say in the 80’s instead of 40 years ago. I still think 40 years ago is the 60’s.

      • I'm too old for this sh*t

    • +1

      I think that attitude has died down a bit. Melbourne is slowly becoming Sydney, unfortunately (i.e. overcrowded/congested). It's not the place I grew up in; I barely recognise it any more.

  • +6

    Have you been to Melbourne in the middle of winter?
    That may sway you a little

    • -1

      I con confirm, for me 2 winters in Melbourne made me want to make others self harm, which is ok because Melbourne has all it's crazies on the streets and dominating on public transport.

      • +10

        …made me want to make others self harm…

        What does that even mean?

    • Depressing and crap time of year that goes on for 7 - 8 months.

    • That's why Melbourne coffee is so good.

  • +2

    Someone electing to voluntarily move from Sydney to Melbourne has got to be a first.
    Melbourne - the aggravated burglary centre of Australia, and where 12 yo home invaders that threaten the occupants and steal their cars are found guilty and given bail. Notwithstanding the person was already on 10 outstanding bail judgements.
    Welcome to Victoria !!!

    • +3

      Where in Melbourne are you living man? My strong suggestion move.

    • lol spoken like someone who lives in a bubble.
      PS: Wherever you are please move if you can afford it.

    • 100% facts. And now that the Greenies have more power they want to close down Barwon prison and release everyone.

    • I voluntarily moved from Sydney to Melbourne, so have 3 of my family members, news flash, people move from cities to cities all over the country, it's nothing new :)
      I love Sydney as much as I do Melbourne, but for completely different reasons. I'm glad they aren't exactly the same, that wouldn't be a good thing.
      Are there negative points about Sydney and Melbourne, yes, as there are for every city in the world.

  • +1

    do u have kids?
    do u want kids?
    family?
    friends?
    how much savings?
    work transferable? or need to find new job

    main question is
    soy latte extra hot
    or
    long black

  • +5

    Both working from home? I would move to Bali to be honest.

    • i was gonna suggest Harvey Bay or Margaret River but yeah.

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