Thinking about Moving from Sydney to Melbourne

moneytomyway on 21/02/2023 - 14:52
Last edited 21/02/2023 - 15:21 by 1 other user

Hi all, we are thinking to move from Sydney to Melbourne, and keen for some wisdom from you.

The main reason is simply we could get a better house with our budget in Melbourne 20km east of CBD with nice schools while we would get something 40km to the CBD in west/northwest Sydney with hardly any local development.

We make a bit more than 200k combined and both are working remotely.

Being in Sydney since 2017, I personally have only been to Melbourne for work so I wouldn't say know a great deal of Melbourne. All I know is they don't have many beaches and good weather, and people are more chilled.

Thanks for reading, any input would be greatly appreciated.

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  • SuperLate on 21/02/2023 - 22:37
    -1

    Bahamas
    Just read again, for good schools East and South east have many nice suburbs. Housing near highly rated public schools is going to be somewhat expensive.

  • elgrande on 21/02/2023 - 23:26
    +1

    Melbourne is better than Sydney. What it lacks in beaches it makes up for in u-turn bays.

    But seriously, worth it.

    • Sinnerator on 22/02/2023 - 09:29
      +1

      But the driverS tailgating you will smash into you when you slow down to u-turn.
      Melbourne, amongst its many problems, it's also the tail-gating capital of the world.

      • try2bhelpful on 22/02/2023 - 09:43
        +1

        I will agree that Melbourne drivers are terrible, particularly in the POSH suburbs. However, if you want really shocking drivers try Paris, I think they aim for you. One of the fun things to do in Paris is go to the top of the Arc de Triumph and watch the traffic in the “ring road” around it. Every now and then the Gendarmes step in to try to untangle it.

  • lachhelix on 21/02/2023 - 23:49
    +4

    Don't bother

  • SF3 on 22/02/2023 - 00:02
    +2

    Thinking about

    "Don't think. Just do."

  • Thinkscape on 22/02/2023 - 07:40
    +5

    Consider the government. Last few years have seen Vic government making some backwards, or at least polarising, policy decisions.

    One of them is the EV Tax. It made the state laughing stock in the world - all developed countries announced progressive emission standards tightening and most have EV incentives (up to around A$10000 in some countries).

    Victoria, the only place on Earth, introduced the opposite - if you buy EV or hybrid, you pay a tax based on km driven (even if you drive it in QLD). Because of how idiotic it is, it’s being challenged in High Court (https://youtu.be/GH33TS8I3D8)

    • GG57 on 22/02/2023 - 09:13
      +3

      And yet the current government was easily re-elected last year, and apparently remains very popular if you put any credence in opinion polls.

      • Mozzmanau on 24/02/2023 - 10:19
        -1

        Very popular? They lost 3 seats and only won because they employ all their voters in the public sector and through all the road and rail construction Dans throwing away billions on. Wait till they have to pay it back. Let's see if they'll vote for him then.

        • GG57 on 24/02/2023 - 10:47
          +2

          ok

    • Ghost47 on 22/02/2023 - 09:19

      Both governments in NSW are a joke in my opinion. Liberals slightly less than Labor which is surprising.

      • GG57 on 22/02/2023 - 09:53
        +1

        Both governments in NSW…

        Which two governments?

        • Ghost47 on 22/02/2023 - 11:38

          I mean both major parties.

          • Lachy2437 on 23/02/2023 - 02:25
            +4

            @Ghost47: And you think the current mob , mired in scandal, pork barelling generally shady af is better? Every day is another story of their corruption, illegality or dishonesty. They had a minister adjust the rules of emergency bushfire relief funding to ensure it went to coalition electorates… NSW Labor has a chequered history but this mob is our of control.

            • Ghost47 on 24/02/2023 - 16:57

              @Lachy2437: Um, no. The LNP is bad but it seems to me Labor are absolute duds and Chris Minns is a weak leader. As I said, both parties up there suck, I don’t know why, it’s like they just don’t give a damn about the state.

              • compound on 25/02/2023 - 01:00

                @Ghost47: Keep regurgitating what Murdoch tells you my friend. Labor bad!

            • tryagain on 25/02/2023 - 10:51

              @Lachy2437: "Checkered history" i.e. ministers convicted of fraud, I think the longer a party is in power, the more dodgy they become, so generally a change for NSW would be good, but only when that alternative are going to be somewhat competent. It's concerning when the shadow education minister can't do basic maths.

    • CowFrogHorse on 23/02/2023 - 08:33

      So you think EV cars are an answer ?

      Did it ever occur to you that society is broken ?

      Why do so many people like yourself think they cant live without wasting hours a day driving ?

      • Thinkscape on 24/02/2023 - 09:03

        Answer to which question?
        If you’re talking localised pollution and global emissions of light transport, then yes, they are the best answer.

        If you’re taking emission density in general (comparing all forms of transport) then of course cars (in general) are not.

        You’re changing the topic. My answer is about state government. You should rank it based on how much they invest in public, sustainable transport, liveable towns, public infrastructure in general, public health, etc. Tailpipe-free cars are just one part of that and VIC is penalising that instead of subsidising.

        Ps: Most of my commute is public transport and walking.

    • Mozzmanau on 24/02/2023 - 10:17

      Don't forget the MASSIVE debt.

  • 2esc on 22/02/2023 - 09:26

    Does it have to be a state capital? If you can work remotely why the hell would you live anywhere near Melbourne i suppose if you enjoy traffic, rude people, noise. The only reason i go to Melbourne is for medical reasons. Sorry correct that i picked my brother up from the Tullarmine airport just before covid.

  • Sinnerator on 22/02/2023 - 09:45
    +1

    I second all the people who said if you WFH then move overseas, be an economic nomad, see the world.
    In the last 30 years Australia has become more crappish whilst the cost of living has soared to insane levels.
    With all the money you save start your own Hedge Fund.

    • try2bhelpful on 22/02/2023 - 09:48

      You need to think about the hidden costs like health services. What is the plan if you get sick?

      • greatlamp on 25/02/2023 - 05:26

        That's easy, just fly back to Australia.

        • Sharp on 25/02/2023 - 16:18

          Good luck with that! Say you had a car crash and lost a limb, are you going to book a Qantas flight with your limb in an ice bucket? Say you had a heart attack or had a stroke, are you going to arrange an ambulance plane?

          • greatlamp on 25/02/2023 - 17:40

            @Sharp: True, acute care will need to be local. Hospitals still exist, private hospitals that serve expats and the American medical tourism industry.

            It's not like you can't get treated, you are the 1% in these countries, you don't have to manage with the underfunded state care like the locals do.

    • GG57 on 22/02/2023 - 09:56

      I'm not against that idea of moving overseas, but OP should also consider anywhere else in Australia. We live in a big country, geographically speaking.
      But, it is OP's decision based on what OP's priorities are.

  • Chewy2221 on 22/02/2023 - 11:18

    You might consider Bathurst NSW. Very vibrant arts community, lots of "capital city" stage productions, good restaurant & coffee & a car race or two each year. Very nice heritage buildings. You could probably buy something close to the city centre , drive to shops, restaurant etc & get a park out the front .
    Prices are a lot cheaper than capital cities.
    The down side is the cold winter (a bit colder than Melbourne). Good luck

  • tabitha731 on 22/02/2023 - 12:11
    +2

    Moving to Melbourne would be a severe downgrade from living in Sydney. Have you thought about possibly changing your perception of HAVING to have a house…. Maybe a town house closer to the metro area would be suitable…. I personally wouldn't want to live 40km west or north west of Sydney.. hence I would change my expectations of where I can afford to live

    • KaTst3R on 22/02/2023 - 13:35
      +2

      Happy 10 Year OZB Anniversary coming up on the 28th. You have accumulated lots of long service leave i presume.

  • KaTst3R on 22/02/2023 - 12:35
    +1

    As someone who lived in both Melbourne and Sydney for years, Sydney is better in terms of employment opportunities, better beaches, better nature reserves, better weather (not recently due to La Nina but in general yes), more interesting lifestyle, etc. I hate the tram system, it is slow and a general disruption to drivers on the road.

    people are more chilled.

    Absolutely not true.

    • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:31

      Trams have their place. But they are miserable if you're using them as your primary mode of transport. But 20km east you definitely wouldn't be. They're just good for inner point-to-point transport (rather go on a slow tram than a fast bus personally - I don't fit in the bloody bus seats, and they're jolty and still prone to traffic).

  • RatBargain on 22/02/2023 - 12:51
    +3

    Sydney has better weather, beaches, airport access. Quality of food/coffee no different (you just need to know where to look). Cost of living marginally higher. Public transport better developed though aging.

    Melbourne wins on sports & entertainment (F1, Aus open, AFL, MotoGP, Comedy fest, Melb Cup, RipCurl Pro), road quality & design, town planning for shopping centres & dining districts, level crossing elimination, more Qspiracy cookers due to lockdowns. Airport link and Metro rail should be a massive improvement long term

    Brisbane - poorly designed, shitty quality roads, shitty freeways (M1🤮), average food (improving), lower cost of living, no beaches besides Sth Brisbane (fake), plenty of action in the CBD and the Valley

    • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:34

      Maybe if you're to aggregate food in Brisbane you might say average, but honestly some of the food in inner Brisbane exceeds what I can find in Melbourne at the price these days. Brisbane's become quite inventive. But you don't get the diversity at the more traditional end and bottom end unless you go to specific places. Nothing like the scale of Melbourne food.

      • RatBargain on 24/02/2023 - 00:57

        I think that’s what I struggle with. It’s not that there aren’t quality restaurants away from inner Brisbane, they are more spread out and aren’t consistent despite favourable reviews

        The standout gems usually are by accident or specific recommendation

        Manya times I’ve thought to myself between Brisbane & CG, with this low effort kind of decor, service and/or meal, you’d be screwed in a couple of months with exp rent and how competitive it is in Melbourne

    • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:38
      +2

      I think you missing the point of Melbourne a little if you're gauging it by major sports events and roads, and mention plenty of action for Brisbane and not Melbourne. Still gobsmacked anyone says Sydney transport is better. Melbourne transport is the REASON there's so much action spread over a dozen suburbs. It'd be nothing without the trams, which draw out the food, shopping and bars for 3-5km in every direction. I feel like people only walk up and down Swanston St in the CBD and think they understand Melbourne… But give you noticed the rail upgrades I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :-)

      But for anyone that has or will, NEVER judge Melbourne solely by the CBD. If you haven't used 3 tram lines minimum, you haven't seen a thing.

      • Fobsessive on 23/02/2023 - 19:46

        I was on holidays in Melbourne this month. Frequented Fitzroy, Carlton and Collingwood with the light rail bringing life to those inner suburbs! Brunswick was further but still accessible. Idk why St Kilda takes so long.

    • Mozzmanau on 24/02/2023 - 10:21

      Look out we've got a cooked pinhead 🤣🤣🤣

  • Velt on 22/02/2023 - 13:46
    +1

    If the main reason is house prices then move to Perth.

  • branners on 22/02/2023 - 15:48
    +4

    Interesting comparisons made between living in SYD and in MEL.
    But the OP's post suggested it was much more of a comparison between, say, living in Blacktown or Liverpool with Nunawading or Mitcham.
    I speak from years of living in eastern Melbourne, and I can't comment much on far-western Sydney, other than the fact that getting from there into the city takes patience and Eastern Creek is a lousy racetrack.
    Transport is good, schools are excellent and there is a booming Asian culture/shopping scene/mini city in Box Hill.
    No contest on the beaches? I much prefer Melbourne's tamer bay beaches, but if you are 40-plus km away, how much is that a factor?
    Weather is debatable. Sydney is more humid, Melbourne is cooler. Sydney's annual rainfall is 1200mm, Melbourne 650mm.
    There does seem to be a lot to do in Melbourne, sports-wise, if that is your bag. But to each his own.

    • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:47
      +2

      Certainly Box Hill is a nice food and market hub now. Possibly worth going 30km out to Ringwood (if you want schools and shopping) or Croydon hills for something a bit quieter, if you've gone 20km already. There's good express trains via Box Hill anyway, easy access to Yarra Valley and Dandenong Ranges, good facilities, easy access to calm crystalline beaches such as Rosebud and through to Mornington Peninsula down the Eastern Freeway, easy enough access to inner North on Eastlink. It's pretty nice out there. You don't really get much at the 20km mark imo unless you live in a hub like Box Hill. But then what do I know. I'm never leaving the inner north again :-) (though I did live in Surrey Hills for some time - there's nice enough pockets, but mostly urban sprawl with boring main roads criss crossing everywhere).

      There's also NE like Greensborough, which gets you green and convenient locations, and on good train lines if you want to explore inner north (food, bars, big strips like all of the Vietnamese restaurants in North Richmond/Victoria St). Though I guess you get Hawthorn, Box Hill and the like in the east. Depends what your vibe is.

  • whatgift on 22/02/2023 - 16:10
    +3

    Having moved to Melbourne and lived in Sydney previously, it's a matter of what you want. Sydney does have better beaches, more landmarks and better weather. On the other hand, it is much easier to get around in Melbourne - I use my push bike to get to most of my regular places, my car sometimes and trams to get into the city. I can ride to the beach on any day without planning, go for a quick swim and leave without a thought, on dedicated shared paths all the way. I'm not a lycra cyclist - very casual and avoid roads wherever possible.

    I also love that I live in a close suburb to the CBD and paying a lot less than an equivalent modern 2-bedroom apartment in Sydney in rent. My experience is that it is a LOT more relaxed here and people are a lot more friendly and less in a hurry to do everything.

    I've found an interesting take on the weather - yes, it is not a myth that it changes constantly, but that means whenever the weather is bad it doesn't last long, so I don't tend to change plans based on weather reports.

  • DrDollar on 22/02/2023 - 18:53

    Regional NSW has a lot to offer if you prefer to stay within NSW for the warmer weather. Coffs Harbour and Newcastle are beautiful.

  • argamond on 22/02/2023 - 19:00
    +2

    As a fellow ozbargainer, I think your question is misplaced. To maximise savings and improve quality of life, you should not consider Melbourne but the other capital cities (Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth).

    All these cities have an international airport, to make travel easier. All should have good private schools, and selective schools.

    Perth has better beaches than Sydney, and it gets even better further south. Brisbane, I would argue, has a better food scene than Melbourne. The only thing that Sydney and Melbourne might do better is the arts/shows (Melbourne is better) and the fine dining (Sydney is better)

    NB: Currently living in Canberra - so not biased towards a particular city

    • RatBargain on 24/02/2023 - 00:30

      Interesting. I agree closer to the CBD, the quality and range seems better like Caxton St, West end, South Bris, Eagle st pier

      Further out do you have any suggestions? Sunnybank, Garden city & Chermside are the main districts I can think of. My experience has been hit and miss further out

      Off the top, Melbourne has many hubs: Sthbank, Docklands, Footscray, Lygon, Brunswick, Fitzroy, Richmond, St Kilda, Port Melb, Oakleigh, Hawthorn, Box Hill, Carnegie, Sth Yarra, Clayton, Ringwood, Glen Slavery, Chadstone, Camberwell, Doncaster, Springvale

      Usually a pretty decent range, quality & open most days/nights

  • cwangv on 22/02/2023 - 21:11

    Don't

  • da1andonly on 22/02/2023 - 22:27

    If you work remotely then what about moving to asia or south America and live like a king.

  • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:28
    +1

    I dunno. You kind of sound like you should be moving to inner Brisbane. Though it's harder to get to a decent beach from Brisbane CBD than it is from Melbourne, but you do get the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast as compensation. Inner Brisbane has developed so much. I love exploring when I return home (originally from Brisbane, departed to Melbourne 18 years ago). I love Melbourne, but I'm at far more bars, pubs and restaurants than beaches (and I definitely wouldn't live east for my taste).

    • Fobsessive on 23/02/2023 - 19:50

      Does the Valley count?

  • Wasabi Ninja on 23/02/2023 - 00:31
    +2

    I lived in Sydney for 5 years. The biggest dump in Australia. Would never swim at their beaches after being spoilt in WA with such spectacular coastline.

  • DeeTrance on 23/02/2023 - 07:24
    +3

    Every time I drive around Sydney, I just want to slit my wrist. The to add are by far the worst in Australia.

    • RatBargain on 24/02/2023 - 00:38

      Agree, roads are abysmal, shit quality, poorly designed and congested. I wonder if that is the chicken and egg anecdotally causing morr frequency of impatience, inconsiderate and fu
      ^#kn shit driving/parking ability

      • compound on 25/02/2023 - 01:01
        +1

        Designed? It was made by horse tracks.

      • greatlamp on 25/02/2023 - 05:33
        +1

        The bad roads in Sydney are also responsible for the higher house prices. People don't care how far they live in km, it's travel time that counts. Those with money pay to get a little closer to the middle, everyone else has to survive in the west while pretending the beach is nearby.

        Which city is better? Depends how much money you have

  • ContinuousCustomer on 23/02/2023 - 07:39
    +2

    Melbourne has a miserable climate. It’s a good city, but from Sydney to Melbourne, it’s a downgrade.

  • vodkaman on 23/02/2023 - 07:51

    Live in Sydney and visit family in Melbourne regularly. Loving that the they had the foresight to have highways/freeways more than 2-3 lanes unlike basically the whole Sydney orbital network.

    5 or so years ago Melbourne was amazing, less traffic alot more chilled. Seems like it's just become chaos now with everyone just spamming cars on the road. Took me 1.5hrs to get to the airport from the SE suburbs. Paid tolls on the Monash and Tulla to be blessed with a 30kph leisure drive at 11am.

    • try2bhelpful on 23/02/2023 - 08:13

      We live in Fitzroy and our view is “don’t start from here”. Going out of the city, in peak hour, is a nightmare but we came in from Dalesford at peak hour yesterday and we only, really, had traffic issues in the centre of the city. The traffic the other way was, pretty, unbelievable.

      Pre Covid we were sitting in a traffic jam and I thought “what would it take to have less traffic?” We found out, and I think we can live with the traffic. However, the trip to the airport is why I wish they’d had the foresight to put in a train line a long time ago. Tullamarine was designed with the concept of a train station built in.

      • vodkaman on 23/02/2023 - 10:37
        +2

        Yeah it's crazy to think that a city of this size doesn't have a train line to the city from the airport.

        • gimme on 23/02/2023 - 10:45

          it's more amazing to think that a city of this size has terminals stuck in the 80s. It's quite embarassing walking through the qantas terminal. virgin not much better

      • skillet on 23/02/2023 - 17:16
        +3

        Thanks to privatisation and monopoly. The Tulla airport is only interested in collecting parking fees from commuters and taxi Uber tax. This alone generate alot of income. Having a train line will drastically reduce the airport income.

        • Fobsessive on 23/02/2023 - 19:52
          +1

          Skybus profits too

        • greatlamp on 25/02/2023 - 05:37

          The Melbourne Airport carpark is the most profitable carpark in the country- literally.

          Land for the Melbourne Airport trainline was set aside for decades, you can see the dotted lines in old Melways maps.

    • Ghost47 on 23/02/2023 - 11:16
      +1

      Sydney’s topography doesn’t really lend itself to an efficient road system. If it was better planned from the very start it might’ve had a chance but there’s no way the people who started building the city would’ve had the foresight to see what it has become. Melbourne is flat so you can do whatever you want to do without being constrained or coming across challenges like having to snake a road around a hill.

      Melbourne is getting worse because its population is booming and it doesn’t help that more people move there from interstate and overseas (thanks to idiotic immigration policies on both sides of federal government). The roads are great but public transport is utter crap (Sydney’s train system despite being a lot more confusing IMO is much better) and there needs to be a lot more investment, there are bus routes that have not been updated or changed at all in 20 years.

      If I was OP I would seriously consider moving to Adelaide or Tasmania instead. Silly to live in either Sydney or Melbourne if you have a choice to pick where you want to move. Might as well go live in New York, Tokyo or London instead.

  • 2jzzzz on 23/02/2023 - 09:51
    +1

    If you work remote, why would you even consider either of those places?

    I'd go Northern NSW, Gold COast hinterland or Sunny Coast.

    I live in FNQ and love it way more than Melbourne.

    • hashtagbargain on 23/02/2023 - 09:55

      I’m in Melbourne and wish to live in FNQ, at least for a while. Some day perhaps.

    • eek on 24/02/2023 - 13:03

      FNQ is farrrr too hot and humid. Good for relaxing and doing nothing for a few days on vacation but would not want to live there. Spent a year FIFO into FNQ around various towns and visited the bigger ones along the coast on R&R days off. Personally would prefer to live in Melbourne for the weather vs FNQ weather. But that's just me :)

  • skillet on 23/02/2023 - 09:55

    Melbourne FTW, share your road with trams especially school pickup times.

    • try2bhelpful on 23/02/2023 - 09:55

      Yeah, get your kid to take the Tram.

  • Thaal Sinestro on 23/02/2023 - 10:02
    +1

    Eastern Sydney is fantastic; the West is anything but.

    • Ghost47 on 23/02/2023 - 11:20
      +1

      The West gets a bad rap but it’s honestly fine IMO. I actually preferred living in Wetherill Park than Epping because it wasn’t so congested and busy.

      It’s a melting pot of culture and there’s a lot of great food around, some parts are a bit rough but places like Wetherill Park or Bossley Park have very nice houses and roads (no public transport though which is bad, more investment needed there).

      • compound on 25/02/2023 - 01:04

        Dunno, grew up in inner west and out west.
        Western Sydney is a special place…
        Great food though but culture is quite clicky in my years living and working in the community.

  • gimme on 23/02/2023 - 10:26

    Everything is very subjective when it comes to Syd v Mel and everything is very relative. People love to whinge about the weather here (it's a sport), yet the same people will probably whinge about Sydney when they experience the humidity and downpours etc. Outside of massive storms (rare), the city and alll inner city cafe precincts are always packed so not sure how bad it is really. You will only find out whether you like it or not once you've lived here for a year and figured out which area you'd want to live in. Asking the internet or figuring it out on google is futile. You need to live and experience.

  • Atomik17 on 23/02/2023 - 12:27
    +1

    Move to Bali. Better everything!

    • skillet on 23/02/2023 - 17:11

      Unfortunately certain personal service is illegal.

    • foxinsox8 on 25/02/2023 - 02:05
      +1

      Everything eh?. Better drinking water? Cleaner beaches? Less corrupt police? More consistent rule of law? Safer roads? Better medical care and hospitals? Fewer rabid dogs? Less traffic jams? Better welfare safety net? Better building standards? Better consumer protections? etc etc

  • Krankite on 23/02/2023 - 13:14

    Melbourne's weather is rubbish but because Melbourne has rubbish weather they have lots of cool things to do that don't involve being outside. Victorians call this"culture". Anyway you should just move to Brisbane instead so you don't have to wear closed footwear.

    • serpserpserp on 23/02/2023 - 21:18
      +1

      Or deal with culture

  • spedohero on 23/02/2023 - 13:21

    200k combined, is it gross? Do you intend to live or rent within 20KM of east of CBD?

  • scrone on 23/02/2023 - 13:50
    +2

    Disclaimer - Melburnian take.

    Weather: Sydney is patently better. Melbourne has winter for like 7 months of the year and it's miserable.
    Beaches: Melbourne city beaches are garbage. There's no comparison. Beaches in regional Victoria are as good as anywhere in the country though.
    Quality of life/value: Sydney is better if you have plenty of money. Melbourne is better value. There is no way I would live in Sydney on 200k, let alone as a couple.
    Nightlife/activities: Melbourne wins hands down. Going out in Sydney is depressing. Lost count how many times I've heard people complain about going out at night in Sydney.
    Food: Seems equivalent to me.
    People: I prefer people from Sydney but it's personal taste. Melburnians are probably nicer but they're kind of sheltered.

    OP recommendation: If it's the choice between Melbourne and Sydney I'd choose Melbourne based on your income. If you're going to have kids I'd choose neither - once you have kids you won't enjoy the benefit of a big city anyway.

    • serpserpserp on 23/02/2023 - 21:17

      I've heard people complain about going out at night in Sydney.

      Sydney people don't seem to mind

  • GG57 on 23/02/2023 - 14:02

    So many comments on here focussing on the weather in Sydney versus the weather in Melbourne. Get over it; they are cities in different climates. That is all; different.

  • frugalftw on 23/02/2023 - 14:16
    +1

    Have you considered anywhere regional? People might be a lot less refined (this has bugged me a lot), but you have access to nature easier, better air, less light pollution and open space. I think kids are better off giving the room to roam after school and be kids, as opposed to being pushed for their academic performance. Everything is 10-minute away, and you have the potential to build your own Stardew Valley :)

    • helpme on 23/02/2023 - 22:48

      This is why WFH isn't great. White collar high paying jobs ruining affordability for those who live there and reducing density in the cities, something we should aim at improving.

      • frugalftw on 23/02/2023 - 23:39
        +1

        Think of it as a de-centralising process. It's great because these high-paying people are going to spend their pay for local goods and services (you can't buy pet grooming services on Amazon for example), that means business, it then has a chained effect on local economy. It's a good problem to have, if it is indeed a problem at all :)

        • helpme on 24/02/2023 - 07:36

          As I mentioned, de centralisation is a bad thing as high density, city living has been shown to be the most environmentally friendly way of living.

          It's great because these high-paying people are going to spend their pay for local goods and services

          These businesses already exist there and if they weren't turning a profit, they wouldn't be there. You're still displacing a bunch of people (literally people going homeless) and often ruining the charm of these places. So many regional areas have become suburbs basically, it sucks.

          • frugalftw on 24/02/2023 - 12:23
            +1

            @helpme:

            high density, city living has been shown to be the most environmentally friendly way of living

            'Environmentally friendly' needs to be elaborated here. Happier people tend to create fewer problems with one another, hence require less resources to resolve these newly created problems. The other thread about tiktok fight in the park is a good example of this. Is that part of the consideration here? The whole EV being more environmentally friendly thing only works if we take the massive hit now in the hope of the improved manufacturing process in the future will break even. Personally, I only eat free-range poultry, and if I don't let my food live in a cage, it's very unlikely I would let other humans live in one. Cities such as Singapore and Tokyo are a necessity, not an ideal.

            These businesses already exist there and if they weren't turning a profit, they wouldn't be there.

            A business that is turning profit is very different to a business that is thriving. Have you read any threads about small business owners not paying themselves? Also more customers would allow the existing ones to scale up, expand and specialise. That's a very different type of growth that actually evolves the sector.

            You're still displacing a bunch of people (literally people going homeless)

            A booming population usually brings an abundance of business opportunities. Makes you wonder why would anyone become homeless at first place? I have seen FB post of an 18-year old doing hard rubbish removal and tip runs. How much does that business cost to set up? Do you think they'd ever go homeless? Maybe it's a wake up call.

            often ruining the charm of these places. So many regional areas have become suburbs basically, it sucks.

            That's a whole different issue altogether. This continent was very charming before any type of settlements were established, and all the cities today were once regional towns.

      • sourmango on 24/02/2023 - 20:22

        OK … i don't buy that point of view, cause the flip side of that argument would be
        "White collar jobs enabling small local businesses to grow, creating local jobs and more opportunities for locals"

  • Blargman2001 on 23/02/2023 - 14:47
    +1

    I remember the time I was in Sydney CBD and a guy in a flashy SUV turning left was screaming his head off at pedestrians for crossing the road too slow on a walk signal. New York, London, Paris all have similar 'my time is more important than yours' attitudes. If you can WFH come to Adelaide, the people here might even wave at you while you cross the road.

    • serpserpserp on 23/02/2023 - 21:15

      Or you can be killed walking the street by guys in lambos. I guess we all have random stories to tell

      • Blargman2001 on 23/02/2023 - 22:55

        Just one of my many random stories from Sydney that made me feel less than human there. It's like there's a theme to them…

  • playerzer2 on 23/02/2023 - 14:48
    +2

    We don't want you. Maybe Adelaide will take one for the team

  • darkchoc on 23/02/2023 - 16:43
    +3

    Sydney when you're 20-35
    Melbourne in your 30+

    Both great cities - arguably the best cities in the world along with other Australian, Scandinavian, Canadian and some others.

    Both have pros and cons. But if you're looking to settle down, buy a house and your get the same salary, 40km West Sydney vs middle suburb Melbourne, Melbourne wins. The lifestyle in suburbs is just so good $ for $. For your range, you'd be in great areas

    • serpserpserp on 23/02/2023 - 21:13

      So where do you live if you are 31?

      • darkchoc on 24/02/2023 - 06:56

        Inner City apartment. Hopefully have a stable job and can enjoy!

  • JelIyfish on 23/02/2023 - 17:16
    +6

    I just wanted to be the 20th person to say I like Sydney better because I live in Sydney and I have always lived in Sydney. Melbourne is ok for a 3 day weekend but I’ve never been there for longer than 3 days so Sydney is the best answer.

  • Dack Smith on 23/02/2023 - 18:46

    Sydney sucks big - the crappy rail system as well as lack of any decent coffee or fine dining makes the place just awful.

    Melbourne is much better and was voted as the best city in all Australia

    • kerfuffle on 27/02/2023 - 18:36
      +2

      Lack of fine dining? Do you live under a rock?

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