Is Speed Enforcement in Australia Absurd?

Lspeedingftw on 21/03/2023 - 17:39
Last edited 21/03/2023 - 17:53 by 1 other user

Just recently got back from a trip to California, USA and one thing I noticed is that despite the speed limit being technically 65 mph on the freeways, most drivers did around 80-85 mph, even straight past cops and they didn't care one bit. Whereas in Australia, doing such speeds would usually result in a heavy fine and licence suspension in some states.

Every year more and more hidden speed cameras are being used in Australia, yet the road toll is around the same. Other countries, for instance the UK, has a road toll substantially lower than ours, despite it being common (haven't driven there but from friends who have driven there) it's also common to do 80-85 mph in the 70 mph motorways. Australian governments and police are hell bent on speed being the biggest killer in road accidents, when we only need to look at our European counterparts to see it's not the case.

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Comments

      • Sammy Boi on 27/03/2023 - 11:43

        Honestly you need to get a life……

        Rambling crap isn't democracy or FreeSpeech it's lunacy

        • Protractor on 27/03/2023 - 11:57
          +1

          LOL,
          Get a life?
          I apologise you cannot comprehend what is being said in my comment.
          I apologise if my descriptions cast a shadow >your way.
          You do understand irony and sarcasm don't you?

          Hint> The absurd 'claims' that people have a right to abuse,insult,racially slur and just plain start trolling threads is a by product of entitled humans and social media and a western world that has everything, and wants more.

          Half of America actually believes in (worships) rambling crap, AND (rewards) lunacy, and calls it democracy, and is about to give the orange baby another run.
          Strap in, it aint going to get better any day soon.

  • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 12:39
    -2
    Merged from Is Australia backwards with it's speed cameras etc

    So as many people would know, Australia has some of the strictest rules in the world for driving (can't go 1 km over the speed limit, can't put your hand out the window when driving, can't drive barefoot etc)

    Despite all of this, our road toll is similar to many countries which have much more lax rules

    Is this all just a revenue raising scheme for the government?

  • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 17:45
    -2
    Merged from hwp tolerance with speeding

    can any hwp officers share the speeding tolerance before booking people?

    • brendanm on 03/04/2023 - 17:54
      +2

      Another day, another boring post related to speeding.

      • Mikeool on 03/04/2023 - 18:13
        +1

        Another day, another boring response to a post related to speeding.

        • brendanm on 03/04/2023 - 18:14
          -1

          I'll have you know my reply was very exciting.

        • spackbace on 03/04/2023 - 18:39

          Another day, another boring response to another boring response to a post related to speeding.

    • spackbace on 03/04/2023 - 17:56
      +8

      After you posted this about police, you really expect anyone to come forward and bother to entertain you by saying they're a cop?

      Yeah right

      • boomramada on 03/04/2023 - 19:06

        So OP got this beef over cops for a speeding fine ? Lol

    • bobbified on 03/04/2023 - 17:59
      +2

      That depends on how you go in the "attitude test". I've been caught at 26km/h over the limit and they still let me go without even a caution.

      With your attitude from your previous posts, I think it's best you assume that tolerance is zero!

      What's with all the questions/statements, etc the topic of cops and speeding? Did you lose your speeding ticket virginity recently or something?

      • GordonD on 03/04/2023 - 18:07
        +1

        I've been caught at 26km/h over the limit and they still let me go without even a caution.

        Been there, done that, in WA. Not quite 26 km/h, but not that far off. They just told me to be more careful after I mentioned in the conversation we had that I was returning home from a conference that their boss had been at.

      • Shadowsfury on 03/04/2023 - 18:13
        +1

        You're lucky - I got downgraded but still pinged. Didn't give any attitude, and it was first speeding (or any) offence after a decade of driving.

        • Protractor on 03/04/2023 - 18:48

          Do you look like OP?

    • GordonD on 03/04/2023 - 18:03

      In Victoria they don't have an enforcement margin per se as other states do. What they do is deduct 2 km/h from the speed detected by a fixed camera, and on mobile cameras 3 km/h, or 3% for speeds over 100 km/h, to allow for possible measuring errors. If you're still over the limit you're booked.

      By comparison other states book you for whatever the speed measurement device says, but don't bother doing so unless you are more than the enforcement margin over the posted limit. But they don't officially say what that is. In some states its a percentage. In others its a fixed number of km/h. Here in SA is was easy to figure it out, even though the Police Commissioner wouldn't say, by following a police car through a speed camera location, because they know what they can get away with.

      • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 18:12
        -1

        Aren't cop cars excempt from speeding fines?
        Even if they're not having light's and sirens on
        As in the number plates on cop cars won't get triggered by speed cameras

        • bobbified on 03/04/2023 - 18:17

          Aren't cop cars excempt from speeding fines?

          I don't know where you get your info from, but that is not true! They still need to go through the process of having the tickets signed off for an exempted reason.

    • Protractor on 03/04/2023 - 18:08

      If the tickets says SH. Zero kms
      (work it out)

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 03/04/2023 - 18:17
      +6

      Hwp patrol cop here.

      I have discretion when booking people, unless their OzB name is speedingftw then I take their licence and give them 4 infringements every single time.

      • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 18:20
        -1

        Where's the proof you're a hwp?
        Pics or it didn't happen

      • Protractor on 03/04/2023 - 18:26
        +1

        Free coffee and donuts for you, officer.

    • Euphemistic on 03/04/2023 - 18:27
      +1

      I once knew a guy whose mate was in highway patrol. He said his mate said it was all about attitude. These days they check your social media profile from your rego when they pull you over. If your username alludes to speeding for the win you’ll get no love, sometimes they even use a radar reading from a previous booking. If your username is copsaretops they pat you on the back and compliment you on your choice of vehicle before saving your speed reading for the next sucker.

      • Protractor on 03/04/2023 - 18:32

        I heard they have a movable decimal point on the radar readout screen

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 03/04/2023 - 18:34
      +3

      I wish this troll would go back under the bridge.

    • oscargamer on 03/04/2023 - 18:37

      What's your agenda OP?

      • FireRunner on 03/04/2023 - 18:40
        +1

        He wants to speed but the police won’t let him

        • websterp on 03/04/2023 - 18:51

          Aren't cop cars excempt from speeding fines?
          Even if they're not having light's and sirens on
          As in the number plates on cop cars won't get triggered by speed cameras

          Perhaps Stealing a cop car?
          Or
          Using a cop car for a heist….

      • kerfuffle on 03/04/2023 - 18:42

        RaIsE tHe SpEeD LiMiTz

      • Gunnar on 03/04/2023 - 18:49
        +1

        Share his stupidity

    • DASHCAM NOW DUDE on 03/04/2023 - 18:55

      It's about spatial awareness.
      They know you speed but are you aware they're watching? If you slow down in time they know you're paying attention to the road.
      Obviously, if you're going too fast they'll book you regardless.

    • brownsound on 03/04/2023 - 19:04
      +1

      i saw the post notification and knew who the author was

  • Protractor on 03/04/2023 - 19:24

    and merged with>?
    https://whrl.pl/Rgz88L

  • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 19:31
    -1

    how about speedos under reading?
    in the latest new episode of highway patrol a truck driver gets booked for 101 in an 80 zone, even though his speedo said 90
    cops being cops lol

    • kerfuffle on 03/04/2023 - 19:35
      +3

      Legit question. Do you have a life? Because your internet presence says otherwise.

      • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 19:40

        do the cops have a life? clearly not because they just waste their time with petty traffic matters, and not real crime

        • kerfuffle on 03/04/2023 - 19:41
          +1

          Then you must be a cop, because you have no life, going by that logic. You're constantly posting about speeding. You're just wasting everyone's time here and over at Whirlpool, with your petty traffic matters.

        • Ughhh on 03/04/2023 - 20:01
          +1

          Not sure if they have a life or not, but what they do have is free rent in your head.

          Catching one idiot at a time.

        • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 03/04/2023 - 20:27

          Take off your numberplates. No more speeding fines. Simples*

          *Other fines may result.

          • speedingftw on 03/04/2023 - 20:28

            @Typical16-bitEnjoyer: 3 demerit points for no numberplate on Victoria
            If it was just a fine and no points I'd hide my number plate lol

    • spackbace on 04/04/2023 - 12:34

      in the latest new episode of highway patrol

      Do you watch anything else?

    • Rob-4x4 on 20/04/2023 - 09:13

      Vehicle with underreading speedo is not roadworthy.. ADRs state that speedos can overread by around 10 percent but cannot underread at all. So potentially cop could have also pinged him for a vehicle defect…

      That is why many truck drivers also have a GPS speedo . I also use a GPS speedo for accuracy , both in my on vehicle and rental vehicles (I use a lot of rentals for work).

      A lot of rental vehicles speedos under read by anything up to 5 or 6 knm/hr and unfortunately if I dare to travel that much under the speed limit on many high ways and freeways I will wind up with a tradie ute, dump trucks or grain trucks tail gating me and trying to push me along . (I am so over imbeciles tailgating me when I am doing the speedlimit measured with a GPS speedo.. if you want to speed fine but don't endanger me when I choose to driving lawfully)
      Yesterday I had an imbecile driving a prime mover without trailer tailgating me in a 80 zone when I was travelling at 80 according to GPS. Get to the 100 zone sign and imbicile decides to overtake me just as I am speeding up to 100… then within a few hundred meters he reaches his destination and pulls over.. (Fortunately the vast majority of truck drivers are the best drivers I come across.. but you always remember the imbeciles)

      Also in the last 10 months of regularly driving freeways and highways around where I live I have seen 1 speed camera and one police officer patrolling .. Which seems to be a lot less than in the past. And in the same period I am seeing a lot more tail gating and general aggressive bullying behavior on the roads .. maybe that is related to lack of enforcement of road rules.

  • KangaDrew on 04/04/2023 - 13:37

    speedingftw is the new rektrading 🙄

    • kerfuffle on 04/04/2023 - 13:43

      Minus the emojis

    • SBOB on 04/04/2023 - 19:46
      +1

      Should just rename this whole thread to @speedingftw's livejournal

      An impressive topics list of trolling or immaturity, or both

      • Protractor on 04/04/2023 - 19:58

        This is where extreme energy drink addiction leads.

        There's a reality TV show coming. Worlds Fastest Houso.
        Look out Pauly

        • SBOB on 04/04/2023 - 20:38

          chugging "Prime" energy drinks while doing donuts

          • Protractor on 04/04/2023 - 20:43

            @SBOB: Lends a whole you meaning to what the 'L', in 'L-Plates', stands for.

      • KangaDrew on 04/04/2023 - 21:14
        +1

        Given their current status on Whirlpool I think it's time for OzBargain to have a penalty box. Trolls with an agenda never last long.

        Pretty sad OP CBF choosing a less unique username, but it's helpful for us to identify at least.

        • Protractor on 05/04/2023 - 09:10

          In the days of fake IDs and throw away emails it matters not.
          People game it and it's getting even worse. (Same trolls using multiple accounts.)

        • kerfuffle on 05/04/2023 - 10:00

          They do do have a penalty box. @speedingftw has been in there before, and hopefully with any luck, will end up in there permanently

  • Leadfoot6 on 19/04/2023 - 15:40
    -2

    Abu Dhabi introduces minimum speed limit of 120km/h on major highway

    Motorists in Abu Dhabi will be fined 400 Dirham ($AU162) from next month for failing to drive at a minimum signposted speed of 120km/h.

    The new minimum speed limit along a 62-kilometere stretch of the four-lane Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Road came into effect in April 2023 with fines set to be levied against law-breaking motorists from 1 May 2023.

    According to a report in The National, a UAE news outlet, the new minimum speed limit has been designed to encourage slower moving vehicles to keep to the right-hand lanes (the United Arab Emirates is a left-hand drive region) allowing for faster moving traffic to travel unimpeded long the motorway's left lanes..

    The 120km/h signposted minimum speed limit applies to the two left-hand lanes of the four-lane highway that links the Emirates of Abu Dhabi and Dubai. The maximum speed limit across all four lanes is 140km/h. Heavy vehicles, however, must remain in the farthest right lane and can only travel at a maximum of 80km/h.

    […..]

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/abu-dhabi-introduces-minimum-s…

    • Leadfoot6 on 19/04/2023 - 21:46
      -1

      Crickets.
      That figures.

      • SBOB on 20/04/2023 - 17:50

        Did you want people to agree that other countries likely have truck and large vehicle drivers with better or more disciplined driving (good luck getting trucks to stick to the left lane only on a 2 lane highway for instance), highways with more lanes/longer stretches/better quality (not many 4 lane freeways in the country which would be as straight/flat as the example given)?

        Or do you think there is some kind of direct comparison between a flat 4 lane highway through a desert and the excuse for highways we have here?

        Or perhaps you just wanted congrats on being able to copy paste an entire articles content into a post and add nothing of any commentary or editorial insight?

      • Leadfoot6 on 26/04/2023 - 18:03
        -3

        Cricket free zone(see comments):

        Opinion: Let’s have minimum speeds on our freeways
        Following on from their recent introduction in Abu Dhabi, Rob Margeit believes enforcing minimum speed limits on our freeways will make us better drivers.

        https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/opinion-lets-have-minimum…

  • Leadfoot6 on 20/04/2023 - 19:56

    If you happened to have a look through the thread, I have made my position perfectly clear.

    I don't know where you live, but in the Illawarra of NSW where I live, there have been 2 road projects finished within the last 5 years or so that are "world class", according to the State MP responsible for their implementation, and another just over 1 year ago.

    The most recent could be called "standard setting".

    All are only 4 lanes but fully divided, with only the gentlest of curves, breakdown lanes all along, no pedestrians or houses and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why the speed limit is still set at 100 km/h.

    The 120kmh/ limit pointed to in the article(which I did not post in full - Moderators tend to get upset when full articles are quoted) as being THE MINIMUM should be quite appropriate on the types of new roads that I now drive on in the Illawarra.

    Except to raise revenue.

    • SBOB on 20/04/2023 - 20:06

      4 lanes as in 2 each way?
      You can see how that's very different than 4 lanes each way, as that provides two dedicated lanes for slower traffic, which is why in your example only the two 'non slow' lanes are rated differently for speed limits

      You can't compare 2 lane and 4 lane freeway implementations (plus having driven in that area, plenty of hilly or windy areas, don't remember any that are as straight as the example in the article, which is also twice as many lanes)

      The article you posted didn't even have 120km/h as the minimum in all lanes like you're claiming your example two lane highway should be.

      • Leadfoot6 on 20/04/2023 - 20:20

        I will, for now, just post the first line from the article:

        "Abu Dhabi introduces minimum speed limit of 120km/h on major highway"

        I'm sure, to me, in the version of the English language that I was taught at primary, secondary and tertiary level, that the minimum speed on that piece of road for cars is 120km/h.

        Anything less is subject to a fine(for a car).

        • SBOB on 20/04/2023 - 20:39

          I was taught in primary, secondary, and tertiary level, to read the entire article and not just the headline, to obtain the full information being presented, prior to drawing a conclusion about the topic.

          It's a 4 lane wide straight flat highway (in the desert)
          That limit applies only to the two most outer lanes, as those lanes are also not permitted for any large/heavy/slow vehicle (as having cars going 120 while trucks in the same lanes going slower, as if you read the article, you'd also see what their truck speed limit is, is unsafe)
          Explain how then you somehow come to a direct comparison against a two lane highway, on a major highway on the eastern side the country which has a major contingency of heavy vehicle usage.

          Or…perhaps dont read the article, assume one sentence conveys an entire articles point. Whatever works for you and your crickets.

          • Leadfoot6 on 20/04/2023 - 22:41
            -1

            @SBOB: You can't read, or comprehend, at all.

            Furthermore, on the steep downhill section of Mt. Ousley just north of the very heavily industrialised(steel works & motor vehicle import facility etc.) city of Wollongong, trucks are required to keep to 40km/h, whilst cars are required to keep to 80km/h.

            There is your 40 km/h differential, and it is only 2 lanes each way, with trucks required to keep to the left lane.

            I don't see too much carnage there.

            P.S. I am able to quote 1 sentence, or the whole article(subject to moderator happiness as I explained before), or anywhere in between(like I did 7 posts ago when I first linked to the article).

            Whatever would make you happier I am quite able to oblige.

            Would it help with your level of comprehension?

            I think not.

            P.P.S. Just a bit further north of the Mt. Ousley section I just referred to above, there is a roughly 30 km section(no, I am not going to measure it exactly to satisfy a particular pedant) that is only 2 lanes each way and has has a speed limit of 110 k/h.

            OH NO, THE SKY IS FALLING…..110KM/H…..THE WORLD WILL END BECAUSE SPEED KILLS.

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