Red P-Plate (P1) Caught Speeding Twice in a Week, What to Do?

skimp on 05/09/2023 - 13:17
Last edited 05/09/2023 - 13:33 by 1 other user

My friend's daughter was caught by a camera for exceeding under 10km/h. In NSW it is an automatic 3-month suspension for a P1 holder.

Before even receiving her first fine she was caught by a camera again for exceeding under 10km/h, this time in a school zone. The fines were issued to her parents since it was their cars. They have nominated her as the offender for the first fine but are hesitating about nominating her for the second, depending if the suspensions will be served consecutively or concurrently.

Does anyone know the answer?

Automotive

Comments

  • Scantu on 06/09/2023 - 11:06
    -4

    Explain that our current road rules don't align with morality, that speed cameras and most automated enforcement do not create a safer driving environment, charge a couple hundred fee for someone taking the hit with the points.

    Easy.

  • OhmyRyzen on 06/09/2023 - 11:07
    +1

    Get the kid a math tutor.

    • kiriakoz on 07/09/2023 - 14:08

      In Australia, it's called maths.

  • Grunntt on 06/09/2023 - 11:49
    +1

    How will your friends account for the P-plates clearly visible on the vehicle in the image captured when they accept the fine in their name?

  • digitalbath on 06/09/2023 - 12:37
    +1

    I’m not sure who is missing more brain cells. Your friends daughter for the obvious, or you for actually asking this question.
    There’s 2 options that are glaringly obvious. Tell them to pick one.

  • c64 on 06/09/2023 - 13:59
    +1

    death notices section of a local newspaper is always a good place to get the name of someone you can nominate as the driver of your car

  • Empharand on 06/09/2023 - 14:10
    +1

    Red P-Plate (P1) Caught Speeding Twice in a Week, What to Do?
    Does anyone know the answer?

    Easy answer. Stop speeding.
    /Thread

    • Scantu on 06/09/2023 - 14:58
      -7

      0-10 over simply ain't speeding.

      And before you come back and say 🤓 yesh it is 1 km over is schpeeding🤓

      What are we trying to do here - prevent the technicality of one number being bigger than the other, or are we trying to increase good road safety outcomes? Because there is no evidence that policing people this anally, not to mention automatically, has any positive effect whatsoever.

      • Eeples on 06/09/2023 - 23:47

        You think speeding, by no more than 10km/hr, in a school zone, is not speeding. Idiot.

        • Scantu on 09/09/2023 - 11:13
          -1

          It all depends on context. People who don't believe context is a thing are morons. BF nowhere, clear line of sight side of roads rural school zone at 2pm? Hell yeah I'm not doing 40.

      • congo on 08/09/2023 - 20:35

        It is speeding, period.

        • Scantu on 09/09/2023 - 11:14
          -2

          Yeah see that is the sort of response I've already preempted, I refer the chalk-eaters (including you congo) to the original comment.

          • congo on 09/09/2023 - 11:47

            @Scantu: I hope karma get you @Scantu

            • Scantu on 10/09/2023 - 15:45
              -1

              @congo: It won't as there is nothing to "get me" for, I drive safely and appropriately at all times.

              I'm not so dumb that I think numbers on a sign is solely what constitutes driving safely.

  • Zapwap on 06/09/2023 - 14:27

    Does anyone know the answer?

    She should skimp driving

  • ihfree on 06/09/2023 - 14:37
    +1

    Nominate, and look for bike deals - let her learn from her mistakes.

  • D3HUN on 06/09/2023 - 15:34

    I am glad that they got caught relatively early. While it might be a bit painful at this stage, this might teach a lesson which can help to avoid even more pain in the future.

    The amount of P-platers doing stupid things is crazy.

    (yes I am old, yes I did stupid things when I was young, and yes it sucked when I got caught)

    ps.: and I though that fixed speed cameras are stupid, as easy to avoid. Then I got caught - and the learning is that if you are stupid/tired/inattentive enough to not avoid one, you really shouldn't drive then and there.

    • Willy Beamish on 06/09/2023 - 19:05
      +1

      Not sure why p platers get ragged on considering majority of shit drivers I see are supposedly fully licensed.

      • Protractor on 10/09/2023 - 19:24

        How do you know they weren't shitter on P's?

  • GrimCheaper on 06/09/2023 - 15:51
    +2

    The system is working and she should stay off the roads. Might be worth teaching her how to drive all over again as she didn’t seem to pick it up the first time.

  • CocaKoala on 06/09/2023 - 17:36
    +1

    Why not take it to court?

  • Willy Beamish on 06/09/2023 - 19:04

    The proper way to handle it is to let them take the hit as they deserve.

    Alternatively the parents can take the hit for her as suggested but not advised, not much else to do.

  • 82norm on 06/09/2023 - 20:42
    +4

    I love the moral high ground everyone is suggesting. It was under 10k ffs. Yes, she needs a good kick up the ass, she should cough up the fine etc and an educational beating on the responsibilities of driving. You lot would throw your mum under the bus.

    • Eeples on 06/09/2023 - 23:48

      It was in a school zone. Ffs.

      • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 09:47

        Do you think teaching kids that it's fine to just walk on the road without looking for cars is a good thing? Because the number of teenage children I've seen do this is ridiculous and it's particularly bad in school zones. The same kid that walks out in front of a car at 17 or 18 at school is going to continue that behaviour as an adult. I'm in 2 minds. I don't want to see children hit and protecting them is a good thing, but I'm not sure school zones as they've come to be are doing that. I'd like to see a solution that differentiates between primary school and high school.

        • Drpepper666 on 07/09/2023 - 11:27
          +1

          Just go 100 through school zones, let kids learn the hard way. Darwinism at work

          • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 11:31
            +1

            @Drpepper666: Reductio ad absurdum? Weak. Not what I was saying at all.

            I'd genuinely like to see more education about basics like crossing the road being taught. Those skills seem to have been lost.

            Zero tolerance in a school zone. Zero tolerance of P platers making mistakes, but the same kids learning to drive can wander across a road obliviously. What could possibly go wrong?

  • 82norm on 06/09/2023 - 20:49
    +2

    So no one speeds ever? I call BS.

    • Eeples on 06/09/2023 - 23:49
      +3

      Not everyone thinks it’s okay to speed in school zones.

    • GG57 on 07/09/2023 - 09:49
      +2

      Of course we speed. I don't think anyone has said that they don't.
      The difference is that if we are caught speeding we accept the penalty rather than trying to game the system.

    • nobro25 on 07/09/2023 - 13:03
      +1

      It's not about speeding. It's about not getting caught.

  • zombie hunter on 06/09/2023 - 22:04

    Suck it up princess and catch public transport, walk or ride a bicycle

  • DASHCAM NOW DUDE on 06/09/2023 - 22:34

    It's just 3 months…90 days…25 of those days being weekends…so it's basically 65 days.

    • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 09:42

      Did I seriously just see an argument that 90 days is 65 days because weekends aren't real days?

      • DASHCAM NOW DUDE on 07/09/2023 - 10:03
        -1

        Doesn't everyone get completed wasted on Friday night and take 24 hours to recover?

        You drive on the Lord's day?! God have mercy on your soul!

      • c64 on 07/09/2023 - 10:11

        even less when you include public holidays …

    • kiriakoz on 07/09/2023 - 14:10
      +1

      Exactly. And once you subtract sleep time, toilet breaks, meals and showers, it's about 12 minutes. So what's the issue?

  • ipiok on 07/09/2023 - 00:12

    No sympathy here, whatsoever

  • 82norm on 07/09/2023 - 08:32

    How many school friggin zones exist, where you don’t even see students walking there. Kids need to learn about cars and traffic, not through revenue raising scams.

  • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 09:40
    +3

    My favourite part of this thread is the hypocrisy of people who know very well that they often exceed the speed limit, who got their licenses when the rules weren't as strict and the penalties weren't as harsh, being indignant that a P plater dare exceed the speed limit by under 10km/hr and suggesting the penalties should be even harsher. One could argue that people who've been driving for longer should know better and the penalties should be harsher for them.

    • GG57 on 07/09/2023 - 09:51
      +2

      Isn't most of the criticism here about the P-plater not accepting the penalty? The intent of the driver and her parents seems to be trying to game the system to avoid the penalty.

      • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 10:08
        +1

        Sure but most people commenting likely did worse on their Ps and are acting like going 3km/hr over the limit should require the person to lose their license forever. These same people would cry, moan and make excuses if hit with a suspension for doing worse.

        • GG57 on 07/09/2023 - 10:22
          +1

          I missed where this driver was 3km/hr over the limit (or for which of the two offences that applies to). Assuming that is correct, that would be adjusted speed for the offence, not the potentially higher recorded speed.
          Similarly, I missed where anyone commented that the driver should lose here license forever. Most of the comments appear to support the driver accepting the penalties (for two offences, don't forget) rather than trying to avoid that.

          • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 11:03

            @GG57: It was under 10km/hr over the limit. For the purposes of the offense it doesn't matter if it is 1 or 9.

            You also missed where those consequences have changed over time, and where the people baying for this P plater's blood have probably done worse. In fact I've seen people supporting the idea of speeding in the right lane over and over again on this forum.

            I didn't for one moment suggest OP was right or shouldn't accept responsibility. I was reacting purely to the comments like "Skill issue . Hand in your licence if you can't control a car" as if people think they've never gone over the limit.

            • GG57 on 07/09/2023 - 11:09

              @syousef:

              …missed where those consequences have changed over time…

              Surely that is totally irrelevant. Even OP didn't say anything about how things used to be.

              …the people baying for this P plater's blood…

              Yep, totally missed that. Still can't find it.

              • syousef on 07/09/2023 - 11:37
                +1

                @GG57: It isn't irrelevant - it's very relevant when the older generation criticizes kids hypocritically.

                You're right., You totally missed it.

  • payless69 on 07/09/2023 - 11:06

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  • CocaKoala on 07/09/2023 - 11:10
    -1

    Looks like your "friend" has failed to teach their daughter how to drive safely. It's amazing how much you care for your friend's family - good on you. Your friend on the other hand is absolute trash of a parent who is willing to lie and commit fraud in order to keep their dangerous driver of a daughter on the road. I hope your friend falsely nominates someone else, gets caught and punished. That would be a great outcome for your friend.

  • Dack Smith on 07/09/2023 - 12:07

    Maybe

    Just maybe

    Let her learn a hard lesson for once

    Better than speeding and killing an innocent child or person.

    Unless this is what you want for her life, to speed and kill many people

  • Wiser on 07/09/2023 - 12:24
    -1

    She is a serial offender.and in school zone.
    Get her off the road.

    • TrollingYa on 08/09/2023 - 01:00

      I hope you feel the same about people hogging the right lane, or going too slow on the freeway.

      • Protractor on 08/09/2023 - 14:59
        +2

        No comparison

      • Wiser on 09/09/2023 - 15:10

        Yeah , people like you only realise when something happens to people close to you, whether it is the sppeding driver or innocent bystander.

  • billy72 on 07/09/2023 - 12:27

    I remember there is a video of a speeding car hitting the school bus and the only injured kid in the bus is the little brother of the speeding driver.

  • Godric on 07/09/2023 - 12:42

    Take her keys and never let her drive again

  • duluxe2000 on 07/09/2023 - 13:16
    +3

    Hi OP, for the sake of knowledge, just nominate her for the 2nd offense. Otherwise you, your friends and the community never know if they are concurrently or consecutively.

    That's the main point, other (small) benefits including the possiblity of the teenager would drive more carefully next time. I think it's a no-brainer choice, lol.

  • skimp on 07/09/2023 - 15:03
    +6

    For those interested in the answer (and missed the earlier one) it looks like the P1 driver will get a single 3-month suspension as long as the fines are paid on the same day. i.e. the two suspensions will be served concurrently, or to be more accurate in parallel. I'll post an update once she actually receives the suspension notice.

    So many additional helpful comments from people who felt the urge to contribute. I'll pass them along to the family. Let me know if I've missed anything:

    Learn to never speed again, or don't get caught speeding, especially in school zones, take only a bus or train from now, hand in her licence, walk for 3 months, stop texting while driving, stop committing fraud, be taken away by the boys, stop committing serious criminal offences, nominate herself on all breaches of the law, receive parental lessons, wear the consequences of her actions, disable bad behaviours, learn, slow doon, go back to driving school, find a new daughter for her parents, stop letting her parents take the hit, get ready for a beating, be ridiculed, use ChatGPT Bing and Bard for answers, pay for her fines, be more acceptable, be more responbile for her actions, don't run amok, be hit by the book, ask for new shoes, ask for new iPhone, ask for a pony, nominate her grandparents, learn the hard way, take public transport to contemplate her actions, look up Marcus Einfeld, sit 20kmh under the limit, accept responsibility, play driving video games, ask her siblings to walk, get off her lead foot, take it as a learning moment, don't break the rules, check rules before travelling, cop it sweet, learn the hard way, ride a bike, learn to drive responsibly safely and lawfully before killing someone, try not speeding, learn to really think about this sort of thing in future, get a maths tutor, get more brain cells, nominate a dead person, don't expect sympathy, find bike deals, take it to court, don't avoid penalties, suck it up, be proud to be a sponsor of caviar, tell parents to stop being trash parents, learn the hard lesson for once, get off the road, give away her keys.

    • slknv on 07/09/2023 - 15:20

      Standard helpful comments from ozbargain when asking for help "for a friend". Did someone forget to add "bikies"?

    • MagicMushroom on 07/09/2023 - 19:08
      +5

      You seem to be way too involved in your "friend's daughter" traffic offence.

    • trapper on 08/09/2023 - 11:58

      Don't forget 'negligently operating heavy machinery' lol

      • mapax on 08/09/2023 - 12:04

        Edit- apparently they are

        • mapax on 08/09/2023 - 13:54

          Lol at my bad edit. Without the original context it sounds completely different to how it was meant.

  • cnrmlj on 07/09/2023 - 17:06

    What to do? Stop speeding.

  • muppet on 07/09/2023 - 17:35

    If the parents don't think that the kid should accept the penalties to learn the lesson, then what hope do we have?

  • TrollingYa on 08/09/2023 - 00:28
    -1

    Absolute simps loving the "lesson" being taught to the daughter.
    I think a better question would be whether or not 7km over the hour is really worth a 3 month suspension? I'm from WA and that just sounds absolutely absurd.

    How about a 10 year jail sentence for shoplifting on the first offence? I'm all for law and order but taking somebody's licence for 7km over!? That is pathetic. By that logic it should be automatic 6 month loss of licence for sitting in the right lane of a 90+ zone or going more than 20kph under the speed limit in a 100 zone - as those are equally if not far more dangerous.

    Who the hell voted in the clowns that decided that was an appropriate punishment? In WA P platers get 6 demerit points instead of 12 and anything under 10kph over the limit is only a monetary fine without loss of any demerit points - as it should be.

    I seriously cannot believe how many people on here seem to think that a loss of licence for 3 months for under 10kph over is entirely reasonable. How many of you are old enough to remember getting zero demerit points for that offense, or even having to worry about P plates at all?

    • Protractor on 08/09/2023 - 15:03

      sChOoL zOnE

      • TrollingYa on 10/09/2023 - 00:22

        Still arbitrary. Of course nobody should fly through a school zone but 7kph!?

        Hows this one for you - in SA school zones are 25 kph. So 7kph over would be 32 kph. Still 8 kph under the limit of school zones in every other state but for SA - that could potentially be a 3 month loss of licence if they followed the same insanity as NSW.

        See where I'm going with this?

        • Protractor on 10/09/2023 - 09:29

          (username working well)
          Yes I see where you're going. In circles defending something most adults manage well.
          Not everyone is a lost cause on this logic,though.
          The law about this combines penalties and education by way of if you are stupid,ignorant and reckless enough to speed in a school zone you deserve all you get and more. I'd put this idiot off the road now.
          Each state has their own laws. But make sure you are sitting down. Those lower thresholds will eventually become the norm in all jurisdictions and penalties will head up. 95+% can cope

        • CurlCurl on 10/09/2023 - 12:25

          Hows this one for you - in SA school zones are 25 kph.

          Wouldn't work in NSW. We have school zones on major six lane roads.

          • TrollingYa on 20/11/2023 - 14:51

            @CurlCurl: You have proven my point. The actual speed limit is just an arbitrary number made up to make people feel "safe".

            I am 100% not condoning speeding through a school zone. All I am implying is that there is such a large variation between states on what is considered an "acceptable" speed through a school zone (15kph from min to max). 7kph over is a rounding error between states but worth 3 months loss of licence in some states?

            The punishment should fit the crime. An aggravated burglary for example deserves 6+ years in prison (WA). In some states it gets you football tickets and a "sorry the bus driver said mean things about how you look that one time".

  • Aneurism on 08/09/2023 - 00:52
    +1

    As a thought experiment, it would be interesting if the parents would feel any guilt if they gave the kid a free pass only for the kid to just keep speeding in and later die in an accident a few weeks later whilst speeding. Smash wood. It would be totally be boring otherwise.

    • TrollingYa on 08/09/2023 - 00:56

      Maybe if they were actually hooning. But 7 kph over? Come on now…

  • tonsta on 08/09/2023 - 07:38
    +3

    Starts with

    My friend's daughter

    LOL

    • CocaKoala on 08/09/2023 - 12:49

      So true 🤣

  • Fizzydrink on 08/09/2023 - 09:33

    Buy a pushy, you aint driving anywhere for a while.

  • hawkshead on 08/09/2023 - 19:58

    Get her ass a bus pass

  • congo on 08/09/2023 - 20:33

    Having almost go ran over at a zebra crossing by a tradie, I have no sympathy.

  • bigbadboogieman on 09/09/2023 - 00:04

    I would say third time's the charm.

  • GregRust on 09/09/2023 - 06:39
    +1

    My friend's daughter

    So why is this your problem?

  • TrollingYa on 10/09/2023 - 00:25
    -2

    Here's a consideration - if the penalty wasn't so damn absurd then this wouldn't even be a discussion. A monetary fine or even a demerit + money and of course the parents would simply say "well let that be a lesson to you".

    Of course when you jack up the punishment to be disproportionate to the offense committed - people are going to start looking at ways to get out of it by any means necessary.

    How about under 10kph over just gets you a fine and no points - like in most civilised states/countries

  • payton on 19/09/2023 - 01:20
    -2

    Does anyone know the answer?

    Yes

  • skimp on 06/10/2023 - 14:56

    My friend's daughter received her suspension notice which states a 3 month suspension period.

    • TrollingYa on 20/11/2023 - 14:53

      She should consider moving state. In WA - 7kph would get you a 100 or 150 dollar fine (been years since I got one so not entirely sure the dollar amount) and no demerit points.

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