It's nearing the end of 2023, how many vaccines are you up to? Are you planning on getting more?
How Many COVID Vaccines Did You Get?
deme on 01/10/2023 - 12:00
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@Trying2SaveABuck: This is bipartisan shilling of the worst kind. While I hate the APL with a passion, the crimes of Andrews were fully enabled by the Lib federal government. They did nothing to stop/prevent the states from power abuse, and everything to assist in those abuses. It's like saying it's not the shooter who killed, but the gun or the bullet. The federal government was the shooter. The Vic state government then can claim that it was all employer's responsibility, as the mandates were worded to push the onus onto employers, they were not forcing individuals to take the jab, they were forcing the employers not to let the unvaxxed into work. This is just linguistical gymnastics of finger-pointing and avoiding the accountability.
Both parties and both levels of government are fully culpable.
The LNP states did have sector specific (healthcare, education etc) mandates.
@ldq: Fair enough - i personally dont hold the LNP (federally) accountable for the mandates - they f—ked up giving away too much money but that's a different issue
Victoria ALP imho deserve to burn in hell for the way they treated people
@ldq: The federal government did not simply allow states to access your vaccine record. The individual had to consent to give them that information. Many antivaxxers chose not to give consent, and did the right thing and stayed home. Nobody was forced to do anything.
@haemolysis: Yeah sure, technically to the federal government it's all states' fault, to the states it's all employers' fault and to employers' it's employees' personal choice. This is a disingenuous, shameful statement, an attempt to cover a crime behind the letter of the mandates and all the legalese that was erected by the governments.
In the meantime the excess deaths are still ongoing, the crime is still in progress.@ldq: There’s no crime or legalese or blame shifting. We did the right thing.
And you had some very minor extra restrictions for a brief period in history.
You were not victimised. You should take pride in taking personal responsibility to stay home to keep others safe whilst our immunisation rate was low.
It turned out to be a much briefer period than anyone imagined. We even opened up early, well before hitting the vaccine target.
And now antivaxxers enjoy full and unimpeded access to society. But still complain. About what? Who knows.
And now antivaxxers enjoy full and unimpeded access to society. But still complain. About what? Who knows.
Get real.
https://www1.health.nsw.gov.au/pds/ActivePDSDocuments/PD2023…
Want to work for a council, as an "Assets Lead"?
https://willoughby.t1cloud.com/T1Default/CiAnywhere/Web/WILL…
Well, you have to be "fully" jabbed.
So, no, the "antivaxxers" are not enjoying "full & unimpeded access to society". They are actively being discriminated against.
And it's just going to get worse until more people wake up.
@mrdean: Nobody is obligated to employ you. There’s literally thousands of employers that don’t have such policy.
NSWH doesn’t enforce that, and the policy mentions accepting your doctors letter of contraindication, which every antivaxxer seems to get from some quack doc nowadays anyway.
So I mean… If you call the fact that a small number of employers have a loosely enforced policy which provides you some extremely minor inconvenience… “discrimination.”
Well, just goes to show what I said. Y’all are whiners.
Well, just goes to show what I said. Y’all are whiners.
Are you familiar with the tale that begins with: "First they came for….."
If not, I'd suggest you get acquainted with it, stat. Because, at some point down the line, you may well be forced to do something you may not want to do.
@haemolysis: I truly am not vicitmised, I did not take the poison, but most people did, a lot of them under the coercion of the combined effort of all level of government. Now extra ~400 people die every week. Who is that "we" who committed that crime that is still in progress? Want to make a confession, to repent?
What a deranged cultist one needs to be to still be immersed in the diabolical narrative of staying at home, saving lives, immunising everything that moves with an experimental drug? Wakey-wakey, people are dying!
Neither Morrison or anyone in the Federal Govt mandated vaxx's or lockdowns, that was 100% the responsibility of each state government. The federal health authorities specifically advised there was no reason for vaxx's to be forced and doing so in combination with lockdowns would lead to negative outcomes for the population 68 times worse than any possible benefits.
That guidance is why the more common sense states like South Australia only locked down for 6 days, while the states who ignored it like Victoria Covid-jailed everyone for 8+ months.
Australia’s COVID response cost 68 times more than benefits delivered:
The research analysis calculated 12,304 deaths as the upper-end estimate for the number of COVID deaths that could have occurred in Australia during 2020 and 2021 without lockdowns and border closures. However, there were in fact 2353 COVID deaths in Australia in these two years (even in the presence of lockdowns), so at most Prof. Foster said 9951 COVID deaths were avoided by lockdown policies.
https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-lockdow…Why do you want 9951 people to die?
@Gehirn: The link you provided is a blog article about a social welfare study. It's unrelated to what I was discussing.
Also, Victoria had the worst outcomes possible in terms of deaths per capita despite suffering the harshest lockdowns and forced Vaxx's for work & basic living in Australia. How on earth is your take that they saved lives ???? That's a 9 boosters deep level of cooked take, if I've ever heard one.
@infinite: Oh you're talking about the other article that says about Australia being 68 times worse off? Post it then.
@Gehirn: Good grief.
The author of the opinion piece you linked too didn't come up with that title, she simply wrote a social-wlefare based report based on the original study tabled to parliament by over 500 Australian doctors a number of years ago now. It was led by Mercy Hospital executive and head of the Australian Anaesthetist's association Dr Eamonn Mathieson.
The woman who wrote the opinion piece you linked too mis-represents all sorts of facts and figured persistently through her report. It's a complete shambles. She doesn't even make it clear that the deaths were not even from Covid, just deaths of an actual cause while having tested positive to it.
@infinite: Cool as stated post your evidence that says "negative outcomes for the population 68 times worse than any possible benefits". That's a pretty specific number, or did you make it up?
@Gehirn: The "68 times worse" reference was not first stated by the author of the report you linked too. The author of the report you linked too was simply referring to the reference initially made by Dr Mathieson and the other doctors and that provided the initial medical expert review and report to government. He entire piece of writing was based off that report.
If you'd actually read it, you would understand that.
@infinite: She isnt referring to anyone. It is her finding from her analysis. There is no claims to anyone else.
Since you seem familiar with it though and that its a reference, surely you can post this report where it contains the "68 times worse" reference?
Do you remember the “roadmap” he harped on about? Those measures were part of it.
Neither Morrison or anyone in the Federal Govt mandated vaxx's
Morrison said he would try to make the vaccines as mandatory as they could make them. But no one was forced according to him.
@mrdean: He's only ever stated that the federal government never forced the jab's or mandated lockdowns. Which is true.
Most state governments chose to persistently ignore federal advice and force both the jabs and lockdowns on people against the expert medical advice provided. That is also true.
He's only ever stated
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/pm-walks-back-mandato…
A choice quote:
"There will be a lot of encouragement and measures to get [a] high rate of acceptance."
@AussieDolphin: Not to worry, next year's WHO 'agreement' will bypass the lot of them. Scary stuff if you have the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lyeO9IqJzc
A German lawyer being interviewed about the upcoming 'pandemic treaty' which will allow the WHO to dictate all member government responses and even suspend their constitutions… only in an 'emergency' of course.
@jackspratt: Is your definition of a ‘tin foil hat’ someone who can think for themselves and research beyond the media?
@infinite: For more detailed information on what Morrison said & did (including Morrisons instigation of & support for previous No Jab No Play policies), see Elizabeth Hart's substack & emails to all concerned.
https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/why-did-former-australi…
https://vaccinationispolitical.files.wordpress.com/2023/09/w…
@AussieDolphin: Morrison had federal health agencies openly and publicly publish from 2019 to 2022 that no Australian should be forced or made to take any vaccination.
While the Australian Government strongly supports immunisation and will run a strong campaign to encourage vaccination, it is not mandatory."
That was literally from the Australian Federal Government's own Covid 19 Vaccination Policy:
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020…
Morrison and then Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt were both absolutely explicit about that, time and time again. Every time they reminded the media about that, the ABC and all the other insane leftist rag's went into complete hysterics.
Morrison and then Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt were both absolutely explicit about that, time and time again
It's called speaking with forked tongues. Saying one thing, but working in the background to achieve the opposite.
It would appear that the only measure Morrison would class as "mandatory" or "forced" would be to be hold people down & inject them.
@mrdean: Dude, you sound 8 boosters deep with that conspiracy nonsense. Words are meaningless and actions count. They literally refused to mandate the boosters for the entirely of the Covid fiasco to every mainstream media hack and political opponent that screeched at them & then went out of their way to put in writing that it was literally the Federal Govt's policy NOT to mandate the jabs - then had that policy publicly published, broadcasted and referenced…….. and kept the policy for the entirety of their Government. The federal health department and advisory bodies all backed them to do it, too. They never caved once.
Words are meaningless and actions count.
Words create the framework from which actions can be implemented.
They said there would be no mandates, except to make the injections as mandatory as they possibly could. Lol. The federal government ordered enough injections to make sure every man woman child & baby could be injected many times over. And you honestly think they didn't implement measures to "encourage" or "coerce" that to happen?
Words create the framework from which actions can be implemented.
Their words were that the jab was never to be mandated and then they held true to their words and never mandated the jab.
You can fantasize about anything else you want, but the facts are the facts regardless.
Influenza vaccination has always been known to save people dying from the flu. It’s so plain and obvious, get the vaccine, don’t die of flu. But over the decades, the more we study it, recent evidence has shown us that actually it saves waaaay more lives than we even knew. It even prevents post-influenza heart attacks which plague the unvaccinated.
Measles again. We all know it prevents deaths from measles. Great. Pretty simple. But actually we now know measles infection basically wipes out your immunity. Unvaccinated people who actually survive measles are left immunologically crippled. Many of them go on to get other infections they used to be immune to. For example, after measles, they can become susceptible to mumps!
And now, I think it is clear we are seeing a similar trend. People not vaccinated for covid who are lucky enough to survive covid are susceptible to a range of post-covid sequelae. They have a significantly higher excess all-cause death between 1 and 6 months after they catch Covid.
In all honesty, I think it’s only a matter of time before we realise people who get regularly boostered are living healthier lives.
And we will look back on this era of “doubt” and not vaccinating children, and stopping at just one booster… is a mistake.
It’s so plain and obvious, get the vaccine, don’t die of flu
For propaganda reducing something down to a single dimension is ideal, but even then your claim is false.
Getting the vaccine does not guarantee you will not die of the flu.Vaccines are not miracles they have side effects.
Otherwise why not just give everyone every vaccine every month?
That's not saying getting the flu vaccine is a bad idea, for a lot of people it's a very good idea: https://www.health.gov.au/topics/immunisation/vaccines/influ…
Just don't be all high and mighty calling it obvious.
mRNA vaccines are bleeding edge tech, have some empathy for those who skeptical.
Vaccines provide a load of good, but for those who are worried you are going to have to address their fears rather than focusing on the good they can do.
Asbestos has many great uses, if all you did was say the good stuff… you'd miss the problems.
Stop spreading misinformation.
https://theconversation.com/the-flu-vaccine-is-being-oversol…
If you don't know how to read or research, don't post.
Disgusting!!
That article is utter trash. The first paper they reference states:
71 healthy adults need to be vaccinated to prevent one of them experiencing influenza, and 29 healthy adults need to be vaccinated to prevent one of them experiencing an ILI).
The article instead says:
So this means that out of every 100 healthy adults vaccinated, 99 get no benefit against laboratory confirmed influenza.
Such blatant misrepresentation of data.
There isn’t debate here. People who actually research vaccines instead of read articles from think pieces… say vaccines work.
"Cochrane reviews are independent systematic reviews, which are comprehensive analyses of most of the literature relevant to a research topic. Cochrane reviews summarise the results in a multitude of studies, and are regularly updated to absorb new research."
But you know best. There's hundreds more studies that show flu shot has no effectiveness in reducing or spreading the flu AND in some years had barely any effectiveness.
But sure, keep being ignorant and spreading misinformation.
I'm over linking studies for EXPERTS HERE reading for 20 minutes thinking they know BETTER than people spending months and years doing the research.
Good luck in life.
Would you say the article and the author of the article is credible?
That's the problem with you guys, all you do is ignore the data and study, and attack the source.
Why haven't you attacked the creative writing undergrads who provided you with the fact-checks?
Why haven't you ATTACKED PFIZER with compromised studies, AND billions in fines for the largest ever in damages from their products to people causing death and life changing injuries???
Would you say PFIZER AND THE UNDERGRAD IS CREDIBLE???
I'LL WAIT.
Would you say PFIZER AND THE UNDERGRAD IS CREDIBLE???
Why did you post a study with results from Pfizer and Moderna if they are not credible sources?
@Gehirn: I'll leave that for you to answer. You ask lots of questions. How about you do that research and get back to me.
If you don't know what part was compromised, then why are we having this discussion?
Try and find it. After all, you made an informed decision to support it. You should have all the data available to you.
How about you do that research and get back to me.
You want me to research why you post comments contradicting yourself? What.
If you don't know what part was compromised, then why are we having this discussion?
I have already told you. Your study "Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults" the data of the vaccinations and the adverse events are reported from Pfizer and Moderna.
You say they are not credible yet you trust a study where the data is entirely from them.
all you do is ignore the data and study, and attack the source.
Huh, I didn't do that. I haven't expressed an opinion. Thats the problem with you guys, you just assume things and get defensive.
All I have done is asked if you consider the article and the author to be credible or not? It's a simple YES or NO answer.
Would you like to calm down and answer the question?
Stop spreading misinformation.
100% agree.
As you consider theconversation a good source of information, would you also agree with other scientific articles posted on that site would therefore be unbiased, factual, and well researched?
They quoted a good source of 3 in-depth reviews.
Your side listened to university undergrads for fact-checks during the censoring, but of course they were unbiased, factual AND well researched.
At least my sources are credible. Backed by peer reviews, patents, citations, from leading medical experts…
I honestly don't care, it's for people who need this information.
And if you look for more studies, you will see the same. I'm not your personal researcher, it's sad you guys can't do the same. Simple research and reading.
@RocketSwitch: These heavily boosted clowns were relying on "fact checkers" who were referencing snopes as their "authoritative source"……….. Snopes is a site and fact-checking service run by a single person, a divorced cat lady who funds and donates to extremist left wing causes and groups.
Measles again. We all know it prevents deaths from measles.
So many provaxxers on here are so gullible and easily manipulated by the system, that any form or rational thinking and objectivity is non-existent. Your rant above is entirely false. Regurgitating narratives seeded to you over many years is simply not enough.
Have a geezer at some actual mortality data on measles and please do comment.
https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/79016/107276/measlesuk…Years prior to 1968 cases in the hundreds of thousands and deaths mostly in the triple digits are fluctuating up and down.
1968 vaccine introduced:
Cases 236,154 Deaths 51Since 1968 cases and deaths on a steep downward trend.
2020:
Cases 698 Deaths 1https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by…
The lowest year from 1940 to 1968, a period up to the vaccine where some years had hundreds of deaths 1956 had the lowest of 28. 1999 to 2020 had less than 28 deaths total.
So no studies showing the vaccine was a direct result?
No, when you look at the data, vaccines were introduced when the cases were coming down.
So you have no legs to stand on.
I think vaccines are a good technology that need proper studies, right now the studies are rubbish. They're driven by corporate greed. Vaccines aren't tested for fertility, cancer etc. Etc. It says it on the documents.
I'm for the technology, but some vaccines (I'll argue a great deal of them) are not ready. Some barely even protect you and cause more damage.
I know you haven't done your research, because if you did the OFFICIAL studies show their efficacy lasts for several months and that's it. That's in the lab. There's NO REAL WORLD DATA. Get that through your head. It's assumed based on cases. Data is from the lab setting.
Some last longer, and have a good safety profile, the rest are rubbish.
But you guys, REMOVE all consultation. You guys are ANTI-SCIENCE. WE COULD have been discussing HOW TO MAKE VACCINES better, BUT NO, you eat the corporate rubbish.
Makes me sick.
I know you haven't done your research, because if you did the OFFICIAL studies show their efficacy lasts for several months and that's it. That's in the lab. There's NO REAL WORLD DATA. Get that through your head. It's assumed based on cases. Data is from the lab setting.
Not even talking about covid vaccine efficacy. Please save your ranting. So I can't tell because of your rant if your applying this to measles vaccines too but they are confirmed to last 10-15 years.
"A 2019 Italian study estimated that circulating anti-measles IgG antibodies decrease 10–15 years after the second dose of MMR vaccine administered according to the basal routine."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8189124/#cit002…https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X2…
@Gehirn
Since 1968 cases and deaths on a steep downward trend.
What? Mate, do you have issues with data comprehension. The trendline of the historical data clearly shows, as you put it, "a steep downward trend", that is, PRIOR to the introduction of measles vaccine in 1968". Yet you strangely think its the other way around. Go figure.
@bigticket: Lets look a graph where you can actually see the steep drop in cases and the elimination of deaths in modern times.
Measles cases:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Measles-cases-in-the-UK-…Measles deaths:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Measles_in_England_%26_…Lets look a graph where you can actually see the steep drop in cases and the elimination of deaths in modern times.
The fact is that based on the downward trending numbers for mortality prior to the mass rollout of measles/mumps/rubella injections no one knows what would of happened had there been no vaccines. It could be reasoned that the downward trend would of continued. It may have been better to have children in first world countries like England, go through the illness & come out stronger for it.
But now, there are generations who only have vaccine induced immunity, thereby relying on booster injections for life. This vaccine induced immunity is actually a danger going forward, too few people have natural lifelong immunity.
no one knows what would of happened had there been no vaccines. It could be reasoned that the downward trend would of continued. It may have been better to have children in first world countries like England, go through the illness & come out stronger for it.
So since no-one knows if it could have went better or worse they should have done nothing in the face of 100,000+ cases of illness per year and deaths around 100 in England, plus the rest of the world, instead of something to eliminate it?
thereby relying on booster injections for life
There is no recommendation for a measles booster.
instead of something to eliminate it?
Ever considered the possibility its done more harm than good? Ever thought to widen your focus from "elimination of cases" to actually think about whether it provides long term better outcomes for those who got the shots versus those who haven't?
@mrdean: Ever considered presenting evidence of that? Medical consensus is measles vaccines are safe and effective.
Ever considered presenting evidence of that?
To you? Why?
Yes, there is evidence, that is why I say what I say!
But, you see, you want it presented to you nice & tidy with a ribbon no less. A peer reviewed & repeated studies showing the unvaccinated healthier than the vaccinated. Well, the data exists, but you have to be able to join the dots! Bits of data from here & there, that taken together show a far different side than the "medical consensus" says!
@Gehirn: @Gehirn
Would you care to explain, in terms of historical measles deaths (not cases), why the trendline shows hundreds of thousands of deaths essentially dropping to nearly zero prior to the measles vaccine rollout.
That is, the trendline indicates that the measles vaccine had no effect in saving lives.https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/79016/107276/measlesuk…
Would you care to explain, in terms of historical measles deaths (not cases), why the trendline shows hundreds of thousands of deaths essentially dropping to nearly zero prior to the measles vaccine rollout.
Sure, I'm not denying the improvement of society through better healthcare, antibiotics, knowledge, weaker strains naturally dying, etc, led to a drop. However the vaccine in addition lets us totally eliminate it. The numbers add up when you're not just looking at England.
That is, the trendline indicates that the measles vaccine had no effect in saving lives.
I didn't know a trendline could show vaccines don't work.
And here is the number of cases clearly showing it did:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Measles_in_England_%26_…Sure, I'm not denying the improvement of society through better healthcare, antibiotics, knowledge, weaker strains naturally dying, etc, led to a drop.
Thinking that better healthcare, antibiotics, knowledge, weaker strains are casual factors in the decline of measles deaths is plain wrong. It seems you just make things up. Antibotics were late to the party and don't work on viruses. Knowledge? What does that really mean.
It was basically the improvement in nutrition, cleaner water supply and sewerage.The numbers add up when you're not just looking at England.
Lets ignore data. That totally makes sense, but the numbers look similar for other countries on totally different continent, for example, the United States. https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/79016/107307/measles_u…
I didn't know a trendline could show vaccines don't work.
Obviously if a disease is causing many deaths but there is a steady decline of 5% every 10 years and subsequently a treatment is introduced claiming 99% efficacy, would not a heavy downward deviation of this trend indicate the treatment is working? The opposite is also true, no deviation would indicate no effect and upward deviation would indicate a negative effect.
Here is a trendline, clearly indicating no deviation.
https://dissolvingillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/U…And here is the number of cases clearly showing it did:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Measles_in_England_%26_…Sorry, I just do not see it. The number of deaths have not deviated post vaccination.
Remember you are only addressing a small subset of data. The following chart shows in the small red box containing data in your wikipedia reference. Look at the rest of the chart to be objective.@bigticket: Really no point of arguing as obviously we have different beliefs with yours being anti-vaccine and anti-medicine as all your references are from the book 'Dissolving Illusions': "Using myth-shattering graphs, this book shows that vaccines, antibiotics, and other medical interventions are not responsible for the increase in lifespan and the decline in mortality from infectious diseases".
Nothing I say would change your opinion.
@Gehirn: Thats fine.
I don't have a copy of or have read 'Dissolving Illusions'. Using actual mortality data in the form of graphs that happens to be readily available from the book online is my preferred method of formulating an objective opinion instead of outsourcing unreliable and biased sources. Finding a negative review about a book and posting its summary is shallow and superficial without reading the book.Case in point, your reference wikipedia graph is clear manipulation by withholding historical data for measles that goes back to the 1800's. Indoctrination is key to building a false narrative.
@bigticket: Can't get anymore biased than a book against medicine authored by a homeopath.
Maybe consider this:
https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-…It shows how the author has misrepresented many of the studies she uses as sources in the book, and other untruths.
Can't get anymore biased than a book against medicine authored by a homeopath.
Actually, if you knew anything at all about Humphries, you'd know she was first & foremost an MD, a nephrologist to be exact.
She's one of those rare people who actually questioned what she learned & had the integrity to change her views, as she learned more about the history of vaccination & saw within her own practice the damage that injections were doing to her own kidney patients. She did for a time experiment with homeopathy, but not to the degree that hit piece on medium who have you believe.
So, no, Humphries isn't "biased", but that article sure is. The book she co-wrote with Bystrianyk basically collates historical information on vaccination which presents a totally different view on it compared to the "medical consensus". The author cites examples of not focusing on morbidity (when mortality has always been the most important metric) as a way of "debunking" Humphries. It's old hat.
Hit pieces like that article are the stock in trade of skeptics groups that align with the consensus. A recent multi-part hit piece was started on Turtles All The Way Down, an important book from a few years ago.
Can't get anymore biased than a book against medicine authored by a homeopath.
I don't think you get it. I have not read the book.
However the historical graphs from the book are not as your reference puts it, "myth-shattering graphs", they are references I use of actual mortality data.Saying I am biased for using factual data does not make sense. But I can say your point of view is based on biased reviews.
However the historical graphs from the book are not as your reference puts it, "myth-shattering graphs", they are references I use of actual mortality data.
It says this on the back of the book.
Wow you bought the entire propaganda. A little investigating beyond the TV would confirm that for you. Please explain why my mother gets flu every single year despite getting the latest vaccine like clockwork? Thousands that got the Covid-19 injections got it anyway so what’s the point?
A little investigating beyond the anti-vax talking point of 'people can still get the illness' would confirm for you that vaccines also have the ability to reduce the severity of symptoms.
The ability is extremely limited though and for many it doesn't work at all.
It's also pretty pointless given the majority of people will suffer no real adverse symptoms to catching Covid.
They don’t and in this case they didn’t keep some people out of hospital either. Seems to me you’re just repeating what your TV told you. People can get the illness with or without the injections so try again. Remember take a test even if you have no symptoms and then you had the illness because a stick test said you did?!
@Gehirn: Oh the evidence you were told vs what you actually saw. There’s a major difference between the two.
@AussieDolphin: Quotes of yours, among other claims:
"Did you know that what was administered in the “trials” is not what people actually got?"
"I bet you don’t know that all the animals died in the trial either."
Were you told these or did you actually see these? It would be a big boost to your claims if you were at the trials and saw this, otherwise it's the same criticism.
Vaccines don't prevent you from contracting a virus, it's not like its some kind of shield bubble where the virus bounces off you.
Vaccines are like training wheels for you body. Purpose is to expose you to weakened/safe parts of a virus, so your immune system realises what it is, how to kill it and remember it. Not having prior exposure means that when you do contract the virus, your body is learning for the first time. It's like being told to fix a machine urgently, when you have no idea what it is and you need to spend hours reading the manual, meanwhile, there's a build up of product.Not showing serious symptoms of a viruses doesn't necessarily mean you didnt catch it, it could mean that your immune system recognised it quickly and killed it before any noticeable harm was done. How quickly and effectively your immune system recognises and kills it still depends on you, hence some people, like your mother, may still experience some symptoms, albeit probably less severe. Nothing is 100%.
Politicians are politicians, not Doctors or scientist. You could tell them that Panadol may reduce/have shown to decrease Y activity in X illness, and they'll accounce that Panadol will 100% cure X illness.
If you're an engineer, and some random asked you what you do. Do you give them a very technical explanation of what you do, or a dumbed down version thats easier to understand?"Vaccines don't prevent you from contracting a virus, it's not like its some kind of shield bubble where the virus bounces off you."
When I caught covid the doctor still wanted to Jab me 🤬🤬I said no I have a 6 month window for my own antibodies to work, guess what there still working 3 years on ,I cant catch it again.😀😀😀😀
Yep and the Government rubbish contradicted that and people bought it and families were torn apart…
Pfizer finally admitted that this year in Congress 🤬🤬🤬🤬I said no I have a 6 month window for my own antibodies to work,
It's not guaranteed. It's not like the warranty you get from Kmart.
guess what there still working 3 years on ,I cant catch it again.
Some viruses, like the flu and covid, mutate like crazy. It depends on the antigen and if your immune system recognises the part the virus binds to your cells.
What the Gov said wasn't 100% false/contradicting. Imo it was dumbed down a little bit too much + chinese whispers.
Vaccines are like training wheels for you body. Purpose is to expose you to weakened/safe parts of a virus, so your immune system realises what it is, how to kill it and remember it. Not having prior exposure means that when you do contract the virus, your body is learning for the first time.
Vaccines change the way the body responds to illness. They shift the immune response from th1 to th2. This is vaccine induced "immunity".
The implications of this is exactly what those who advocate for vaccines fail to consider.
No one will aswer this but will try again.
Why is it that around 90% of vaccinated people I know personally that have had 2-5 vaccines had covid 2-5 times, mostly heading towards the latter…
This includes the girlfriend, her neighbour 5 times , both had the mandatory vaccine but didn't want it.
Me I'm immunocompromised and was told I'll most likely die by two doctors, one a professor.I said shove it where the sun don't shine, It's not what doctors around the world with better qualifications than there's were saying, a lot were banned for it..
Well turned out they were right, Only had it once in 3 years, been around covid infected people and NOTHING….🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I also stopped watching Australian crap news 3 years ago..
Why is it that around 90% …
Combination of genetics, current health and exposure.
Only had it once in 3 years, been around covid infected people and NOTHING
Genetics, current health
Well turned out they were right
Some people are naturally immune to covid19, others won't feel any effects, others will feel it but won't die or have any long term effects.
Others are not so lucky.I don't think it's fair to look back and say well, turns out I was okay; plenty of people are dead or have long covid; unless you knew you were immune beforehand (you weren't as you said you got covid)
Is forcing people to get a vaccine ethical? That question is much harder imho.
It's called Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE).
Don't listen to anyone else here who have obviously never read the official documents Pfizer gave with the gene therapy.
It states on it that they didn't test for ADE AND is possible it could happen.
Yes. So no one on here can say otherwise, because Pfizer themselves SAID IT.
That would explain why those vaccinated continued to catch it.
I caught it once, those who got jabbed around me got it what seemed like once every few months.
Also to add, those who got jabbed around me, their health has gone downhill severely. Every single one of them. One friend feels tired everyday. Was a fit ox, went to the gym daily, a month after the second jab, hasn't gone back to the gym since. Those that didn't, it's like night and day. Feel sorry for my sister-in-law who got multiple clots in her leg a few weeks after the jab. My niece, a few months after, her eczema has taken over her whole body and losing hair. Mother, can't walk anymore, Dad, onset Alzheimer's. All these people had NO ISSUES, WHAT CHANGED, you tell me.
Can't be the novel vax could it? The one with no 5-10 year safety data? Which requires people to take every 3 months? That turns your body into a spike protein factory? SURELY NOT. What possibly could go wrong?
One sister listened, perfect health. Husband didn't but needed it for work. He never went to the doctors, since the jab, he has been in and out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement…
Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, ADE was observed in animal studies of laboratory rodents with vaccines for SARS-CoV, the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). as of 27 January 2022, there have been no observed incidents with vaccines for COVID-19 in trials with nonhuman primates, in clinical trials with humans, or following the widespread use of approved vaccines.
Do you have a link to evidence for ADE in humans from covid vaccines?
As I said before, I'm trying to search for the original fact sheet from Pfzier that said ADE was not tested for and is currently unknown.
But, like everything else that is unknown, it's probably why after everyone got vaccinated the data showed a surge of infections, you can do the research for that data, I'll link what's possible:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7943455/
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s128…
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20587384211050199
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2022.1008…
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/s0012-3692(22)01866-9/fulltext
In 2001, posters like Ughhh, lilbudgie, try2bhelpful and SBOB kept on giving me shit about the vaccine causing heart inflammation (when I wrote it: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/11396332/redir) to kids and teenagers, even AFTER I linked to study after study. They were up on their high horse, thinking they knew better than me without doing the research.
NOW FOR EVERYONE ON OZBARGAIN TO SEE HOW IGNORANT THEY TRULY ARE, FROM PFIZER press release Friday afternoon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8lusaebYAAYZOD?format=jpg&name=…
"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), particularly within the first week following vaccination. For COMIRNATY, the observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age."
Source: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta…
Here's the comment from try2bhelpful: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/11405106/redir
After I showed him the studies:
"TL:DR
However, we aren’t forcing it down your throat, that would the Sabin oral vaccine for polio, this is a shot in the arm."
In 2021, he said, "we aren’t forcing it down your throat"
Yet, Highest risk = adolescent males.
1000s of college kids are STILL forced to get a shot w/these known risks in the US. Remember when they mandated the covid vaccines for children aged 5-18 to attend after-school programs, sports & camps in NYC? And most parts of the world? People needed to get a shot to make a living, I cannot even walk inside Kmart or Bunnings or get a haircut, due to weak, ignorant people like the ones I mentioned here. Not forcing it down eh? Disgusting!
And here's a link to a mother who has to see her son go through this BS: https://twitter.com/eekymom/status/1535933158457319431
I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY Ughhh, lilbudgie, try2bhelpful and SBOB. You were wrong and IGNORANT and continue to support this rubbish. You should be ashamed of yourselves and the rest of OzBargain can see what fools you truly are!!
2001
???
2021, glad that's all you took out of that, a typo lol, amazing!
To be fair, I really appreciate all the sources you provide.
@deme: Thank you, sorry if I come off like a prick at times, I haven't yet got a handle of managing my emotions when it comes to this topic, I'm still triggered. So, bare with me.
SBOB kept on giving me shit about the vaccine causing heart inflammation
You seem confused…
I "gave you shit" about other things/comments , but clearly I didn't respond to that thread/post.If you'd like to find the post where I "gave you shit" we can see what kind of position or statement you think I've posted.
yeah yeah, Agreed with rocket switch
true
you cant mend damages brains that dont understand
total waste of time
The Pfizer Fact Sheet from the FDA that showed protection was/is unknown: https://www.fda.gov/media/167212/download
"The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown."
Revised: 11 September 2023
We're in 2023, and we still don't know. That's for all the ignorant people here who think they know more than the creators of the vaccine. You can't fast-track DATA that needs TIME. Somehow, they convinced you otherwise, HOW? There was 13 studies ongoing that needed 5 years to complete, but you took it anyway. WHY?
I think mainly the idiot box in the corner did it
https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bph.…
RAPID COMMUNICATION
Cardiac side effects of RNA-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines: Hidden cardiotoxic effects of mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2 on ventricular myocyte function and structure
Rolf Schreckenberg, Nadine Woitasky, Nadja Itani, Laureen Czech, Péter Ferdinandy, Rainer Schulz
First published: 12 October 2023 https://doi.org/10.1111/bph.16262
This article has been accepted for publication and undergone full peer review.Here we demonstrated for the first time, that in isolated cardiomyocytes, both mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2 induce specific dysfunctions that correlate pathophysiologically to cardiomyopathy. Both RyR2 impairment and sustained PKA activation may significantly increase the risk of acute cardiac events.
BREAKING 20 OCT:
Yet another lab (number 5) confirms therapeutic levels of DNA and SV40 contamination of Pfizer and Moderna "vaccines".
This time, it shows that DNA contamination correlates to adverse events (presumably deaths).
Criminal prosecutions are needed.
Why did it take over two years for someone to figure this out? Did nobody think to grab a vial, and test it? TGA, "WE RIGOROUSLY TEST VACCINES" LOL LOL They cannot even pick up a vial and test it.
Pfizer didn't DISCLOSE the presence of the Simian Virus 40 [SV40] DNA sequence in its mRNA COV-D-19 vaccine.
The complete SV40 virus was ELIMINATED from Polio vaccines during the 1950s and 1960s because of concerns about its association with CANCER.
Health Canada CONFIRMS undisclosed presence of DNA Sequence in Pfizer shot.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/exclusive-health-canada-…
What is the difference between a far-right conspiracy theory, and a mainstream headline? About 12-18 months.
And what did you guys call us? ANTI-VAXX? ANTI-SCIENCE? EAT IT!
Watch the pro-Pfizer poster say this next:
"But that guy got free popcorn, not a real study."
"You call Epoch Times a source?"
"But you eat DNA far worse than in vax."
"But, you anti-vaxx you no read good."
"But benefits far outweigh the risks." LOL LOLDon't you hate it when an "un-vaxxerrrrrrr" can research? Don't you pro-Pfizer people hate it when we have many leading experts on our side and the original creator? What do you have? Nothing. A disgrace to humanity.
TGA, "WE RIGOROUSLY TEST VACCINES" LOL LOL
TGA receives >90% grants/funding from pharmaceutical industry.
I read this in Maryanne Demasi's Substack last year,
but I have trouble finding this article now.Here's something similar:
Drug Regulators In The Pocket Of The Firms They Regulate
https://www.openforum.com.au/drug-regulators-in-the-pocket-o…
As of this month, in the US, there have been a little over 12000 claims filed under something called the "Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP)".
https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-dataInteresting word & usage. As in a military countermeasure. Makes some sense, as we had our very own Operation Covid Shield
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021…And the military had funded Moderna back in 2013: https://investors.modernatx.com/news/news-details/2013/DARPA…
So now we are waging wars against "viruses" as well?
@ldq:
Lets get this 'straight' the federal governments 'job' is to give people the option of the vaccine - just like the Flu shot - there are lots of people that wanted to take the jab but also lots who did not want to take the jab
They didnt NOT put a financial gun to your head to take it that was the states Premier Danial Andrews mandating if you where not vaxed you couldnt work - dont change history thats how it happened if you voted ALP/Greens then you got what you deserved
NONE of the LNP states had a mandate the vaccine was optional (recommended) but not mandated ONLY ALP states (Victoria) mandated it - thus we had a MAJOR migration shift as people who refused to get vaxed left the state
For all of Scomo f—k ups he did 100% the right thing he left it up to the people (it was a choice) it was ALP Vic that mandated the Vax