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Nikon Z f Mirrorless Camera with 40mm f/2 Lens $3,191.20 (Was $3,989) Delivered @ digiDirect eBay
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I'm full in on the Fuji X system and absolutely don't need this but the Zf has tempted me big time. GAS hitting hard.
which fuji body brah
big commitment to delve in..unless you somehow already have nikon compatible glass…
It's mirrorless, everything is compatible…
I have a Pelican case full of AI-S and Voigtlander F-mount glass that I shoot on my D700 and X-T3 and they're going to be even more perfect on the Zf at some point.
Digital bodies come and go so it pays to have some glass that can travel. One native walk around lens (like the 40 bundled here, 27mm on Fuji, etc or kit zoom if that's more your thing) per system your in is plenty IMO.
xt4 and a xt3 for the more serious stuff, xe4 for travel/fun.
been waiting a bit on fuji to announce whatever the follow up is going to be for the xpro/xe line but this has popped up in the meantime….
what's you ETA? ;)
Fantastic walk-around combo!
40mm is the best focal length.
Henri Cartier-Bresson in shambles.
He wasn't a complete stranger to the 35mm lens.
28mm and 35mm are better for documentary photos.
i had a GR3x, whilst i enjoyed the focal length for general/street photography it's not the best for documentary. can't even talk photos in crowded places.
Beautiful camera. Perfect for street photography & general portrait. Too bad I'm already heavily invested in Canon for work.
Missing the best colour option - Indigo Blue!
Shame it doesn’t lock the IBIS when it’s off
Very tempting considering it out spec the Z6 ii for around the same $ and have articulated screen, not to mention 8EV stabilisation!
Excellent deal, bit the bullet and got one.
I got mine from digiDirect Parramatta pretty much on Day 1. Great camera this one. Think I'll sell my X-T5.
But yeah, even factoring in promotion bonus, I'm $600 worse off not waiting for 3 weeks. Oh well, maybe I should hand in my OzBargain account.
Does the rattle of IBIS annoy you when it’s off? So odd that it doesn’t lock it in place like the majority of cameras
I suppose you meant the X-T5? You can feel and hear the rattling but it doesn't bother me.
ZF locks the sensor so there's no rattling at all when off.
Nope I meant the ZF and no it 100% doesn’t lock the sensor when power is off. Shake it and you will see hehe
how bad is it? is it as bad as Fuji lens rattle?
no film sim sadly.
You can load up custom picture controls which are similar - apart from the in-built Nikon ones, you can load 9 of your own on this particular camera and when you shoot RAW+jpeg, your jpegs will have the film simulation and the RAWs you can change to others later if you want.
The ones I use are Fuji Provia, Provia 100F, Velvia, Superia Reala, and Kodak Porta, Portra 160NC, E100 VS and Portra Mono but you can create your own.
if you're referring to the one on Nikon PC then yes, i've tried them. But they're nth like the film sim on my Fuji and Ricoh.
Not going to pretend those profiles are as good as Fuji's, but on the other hand, this is FF……..
@Bad Company: i think i'm the limiting factor, not the sensor size. i'm just a hobbyist and APSC is more than enough for me.
I don't even have lightroom or photoshop subscription, i just don't think i could harness the power of FF. i think they really shine when you shoot RAW and edit/colour grade the hell out of them.
Z6 virtually untouched since i got my Fuji and Ricoh lol.
@dukeGR4: Yeah I went through a similar thing. Replaced my 7 year old 5D Mark IV with an X-T5 so I have a camera small enough I can take with me everywhere, and of course I got rid of my Adobe subscription with pleasure! The colours out of the X-T5 is just gorgeous.
Due to the generational gap, the sensor in the X-T5 was the superior sensor and felt like FF to me in terms of high ISO noise performance, dynamic range, and of course resolution.
The only thing that would give it away was the depth of field. The blur on the XF 23mm f/2 WR was just so so, clearly showing that it's from an APS-C sensor.
For a while I was happy with it, but then the Z f arrived and the rest is history. I found some colour presets I like and think I'm going to stick with it.
The X-T5 remains a super camera in terms of handling, but FF sucked me back in…….
The only thing that would give it away was the depth of field. The blur on the XF 23mm f/2 WR was just so so, clearly showing that it's from an APS-C sensor.
i have that lens too, my first ever Fuji lens. it's effectively a 35mm F3 and it's a relatively wide lens. If you use the 23mm F1.4 then it would be around F2 equivalent, which is close to the Z 35mm F1.8S in terms of bokeh.
Another thing tho, modern mirroless lenses are sharp almost corner to corner with little to no character. At least Fuji still make lenses that have a bit of a 3D pop and swirly bokeh. all of the F1.4 LM lenses have the sharpness of Fujicrons and the classic look of older F1.4. so i'm not just drawn by the colour, but by optics as well and they're far cheaper to buy than Nikon.
For a while I was happy with it, but then the Z f arrived and the rest is history. I found some colour presets I like and think I'm going to stick with it.
are there any presets available that mimic any of the existing film? sth that's closer to portra 400 at least?
it's effectively a 35mm F3 and it's a relatively wide lens.
Yes I did the bokeh maths too and 35 f/3 explains the lack of bokeh hehe……
Thought about buying the 23mm f/1.4 but the value proposition just wasn't there for me. Cost, size, weight etc. Just didn't seem worth it.
The 40mm f/2 lens in Zf kit was excellent though! Small and powerful.
are there any presets available that mimic any of the existing film? sth that's closer to portra 400 at least?
How does Portra 160 sound?
You probably haven't heard of a YouTube channel called Links TV have you? Links is a Chinese photographer/videographer living in Japan. Unfortunately his channel's only in Mandarin.
Anyway, two years ago when he reviewed the Z fc, he took his Nikon FM2 along, loaded it up with Portra 160, and took 5 rolls of pictures along with the Z fc. Later he compared the film and digital photos on his expensive monitor, and painstakingly colour matched the digital against analogue.
And he gave the profiles away, you can apply those profiles to any Nikon camera, how good is that!?
Here's the Z fc video, you'll find a Google Drive link somewhere containing two colour profiles. The video talks about how he created them at around 8 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/VPOeuYXsTNI?si=ijxRuMXibI1gmzQM
(Might want to try searching for that Google Drive link on a desktop PC, I can't see it on my mobile, buried deep somewhere.)
You'll get Kodak-Sun-Nature, which is too vibrant for portraits and frankly anything else unless under bright sun. Think of it as Velvia in Fuji.
You also get Kodak-Ektar-Green which is excellent for objects and portraits under natural light on a cloudy day/under shade/indoors. This one looks clean like Classic Chrome, but has a hint of Classic Neg mixed in.
(You may catch a glimpse of a few other profiles, including Portra 400, but he hasn't made them available.)
Here's a video of him reviewing the Z f and he made another profile:
https://youtu.be/kWD9ZTtAd3U?si=F_BVnnDX6nL5RF9v
You get Links-Nature, which is based on the default Neutral profile. Not sure what film it's based on though. The name may also be a misnomer, I have a feeling he may have meant Links-Natural.
This one is kind of like a less vibrant version of Kodak-Sun-Nature. Skin colour under or near bright sun light is absolutely gorgeous, reminds me of Provia and Astia from Fuji. Portraits look wonderful straight out of the camera. I'm in love.
None of the three (as far as I know he only provided 3) colour profiles are particularly appealing under artificial lighting. I just go by the default Portrait profile under artificial light, or B&W.
Without these presets, I can't really use the Z f as my primary camera, but these presets, if chosen correctly, deliver almost Fuji like colours. They give me the confidence of shootings without worrying about post processing.
Good luck, try them and let me know?
@Bad Company: hi thanks for the recommendation. I happen to be a native mandarin speaker so watching it is not an issue at all haha. I watched both of the videos last night before bed, i'm very impressed. I like how he toured the Nikon museum and basically showcasing Nikon's past achievements as a leader in the photo industry. Maybe i've taken my Z6 for granted for the past few years only clocked about 6000 shutter count lol.
He also brought up a point about setting WB manually and that could actually make a huge difference. I've always chucked it in Auto and just let the camera sort it out. Do you have a link for the Portra 160 setting by any chance? and is there a site/blog (that's not NikonPC) that has good recipes?
I'm very inspired to get a Shimmer/Glimmer filter and give my Z6 + 50mm F1.8S another go with the presets. perhaps this time i will play with the white balance settings.
hi thanks for the recommendation. I happen to be a native mandarin speaker so watching it is not an issue at all haha. I watched both of the videos last night before bed, i'm very impressed. I like how he toured the Nikon museum and basically showcasing Nikon's past achievements as a leader in the photo industry.
Ha, for some reason I'm not surprised that you speak Mandarin.
Glad you enjoyed the videos. I like his videos for his style and way of telling a story. The slow pace is also quite comforting.
He also brought up a point about setting WB manually and that could actually make a huge difference. I've always chucked it in Auto and just let the camera sort it out.
That's pretty much what I do too………unless something's obviously off I don't actually touch WB.
Do you have a link for the Portra 160 setting by any chance? and is there a site/blog (that's not NikonPC) that has good recipes?
Here you are. You basically had to keep scrolling down until the comment containing the link comes up.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jJcvekw5ZcQAoxLpzYKO…
I guess you got Links-Nature from the pinned comment under the Zf video?
And no I have no other sites. The three made by Links already serve me well.
When I first got my Fuji I tried all sorts of film simulations, but later on pretty much only used Provia and Astia, only switching to another film simulation very sparingly and under very limited circumstances. For example, Classic Neg pretty much only when there's plenty of green foliage and sun light. Nostalgic Neg when artificial lighting is too blue, etc. "Abusing" recipes with a heavy handed touch often produced mediocre results so I avoid them most of the time.
I'm very inspired to get a Shimmer/Glimmer filter and give my Z6 + 50mm F1.8S another go with the presets. perhaps this time i will play with the white balance settings.
Never had a clue those existed, have to look into them…….for now the Zf paired with 40 mm f/2 lens, combined with Links' presets give me excellent SOOC JPGs of my daughter, I'm happy. This may breath new life into your Z6……by the way which Fuji camera do you have, and any other cameras you own?
Ha, for some reason I'm not surprised that you speak Mandarin.
lol why's that?
When I first got my Fuji I tried all sorts of film simulations, but later on pretty much only used Provia and Astia, only switching to another film simulation very sparingly and under very limited circumstances. For example, Classic Neg pretty much only when there's plenty of green foliage and sun light. Nostalgic Neg when artificial lighting is too blue, etc. "Abusing" recipes with a heavy handed touch often produced mediocre results so I avoid them most of the time.
For me i just settled with the Portra 400 recipe, it just works. for night shoots i use Cinestill. For artificial lighting scenario i just use default everything without any touch up. Portra 400 recipe is horrible for any indoor stuff.
Never had a clue those existed, have to look into them…….for now the Zf paired with 40 mm f/2 lens, combined with Links' presets give me excellent SOOC JPGs of my daughter, I'm happy. This may breath new life into your Z6……by the way which Fuji camera do you have, and any other cameras you own?
Shimmer/Glimmer filter will reduce the clinical look of digital sensors. There's another filter called Promist/Blackmist those sort of reduce contrast but perhaps a bit too much. Lights look more interesting due to halation and hence giving the image a more retro look.
Promist/Blackmist can reduce contrast a bit too much tho, which is why i prefer shimmer/glimmer filter.
his may breath new life into your Z6……by the way which Fuji camera do you have, and any other cameras you own?
i have the X-Pro 2 that i bought used for $980. I also had the Ricoh GRiiix but there's sth wrong with the lens mechanism so I sent it back. sadly it's OOS everywhere and it's been 2 months since still no news. When i get that i'm going to flip it and side grade to Ricoh GRiii, i just prefer 28mm at this point in time.
Having said that, i'm also thinking of picking up the Z 28mm F2.8 to complement my 50mm when it eventually goes on sale. But obviously I will have to try out the film sims first before i spend any more money on Nikon Z.
lol why's that?
For some reason I thought there are lots of Asians on OzBargain. Maybe it's the April Fool's joke from a few years ago.
For me i just settled with the Portra 400 recipe, it just works. for night shoots i use Cinestill. For artificial lighting scenario i just use default everything without any touch up. Portra 400 recipe is horrible for any indoor stuff.
What type of photos do you shoot?
Shimmer/Glimmer filter will reduce the clinical look of digital sensors.
What's a "clinical look", is that basically a modern high resolution high performance photo look?
But obviously I will have to try out the film sims first before i spend any more money on Nikon Z.
Yeah please do and let me know what you think. Links' presets are probably the best we're gonna get on Nikon. That's the unfortunate truth. Nikon didn't manufacture film like Fujifilm did, so yeah, not on the same level, but it does get close and I'm really happy.
For some reason I thought there are lots of Asians on OzBargain. Maybe it's the April Fool's joke from a few years ago.
Can confirm, went to OzB bday meet last year lmao.
What type of photos do you shoot?
mostly documentary, streets, cars, dogs, and some architecture here and there.
What's a "clinical look", is that basically a modern high resolution high performance photo look?
Yep. In terms of colour, I would describe Modern CMOS as too clinical. It's apparently more accurate and more suitable for pro work but i personally don't really care about it. And the fact that film is making a come back, as well as older CCD cameras tells us where the market is heading atm as well.
Cf CCDs which had more of a film look. I know as a fact that Leica M9 value is going up atm, especially those that had their CCD replaced. Sadly Leica no longer offer this service as CCD tech has gone extinct. That said, some CMOS sensors also have film-like quality. such as the X-Trans I and X-Trans II also have a bit of a film-like character, not the most accurate but the colours pop. Another notable example is Sigma's CMOS sensor.
And in terms of rendition/lens characteristics, modern lenses are overly sharp, have corner-to-corner sharpness and most importantly they lack 3D separation/pop. Some Fuji purists swear by earlier bodies like X-Pro 1 and XT1 and purposely use older Fuji lenses like the original 35mm F1.4 R for that experience. for me i enjoy swirly bokeh and a bit of softness/glow on my 56mm F1.2R.
Yeah please do and let me know what you think. Links' presets are probably the best we're gonna get on Nikon. That's the unfortunate truth. Nikon didn't manufacture film like Fujifilm did, so yeah, not on the same level, but it does get close and I'm really happy.
100%, i'll check in with you after i've tried it. been busy lately, hopefully next week i'll have sth to shoot at.
And having said all that, you should definitely try out a Ricoh GR if you enjoy SOOC workflow like me. it offers one of the purest photo experience IMO. Film simulation is much better compared to Fuji imo, it has this pastel look which i love.
Can confirm, went to OzB bday meet last year lmao.
Those photos are probably where I got the impression from haha!
And in terms of rendition/lens characteristics, modern lenses are overly sharp, have corner-to-corner sharpness and most importantly they lack 3D separation/pop.
I looked into those soft focus / mist filters and decided to skip. I only have a Nikkor Z 40mm f/2 SE lens from the Z f kit. Overall the image quality is pretty soft, especially wide open. Not a huge amount of optical artefacts but will easily flare and lose contrast (from the lack of lens hood). I'd say I don't suffer from the "clinical" look as you put it haha.
If I had a sharper lens I definitely will get a filter.
100%, i'll check in with you after i've tried it. been busy lately, hopefully next week i'll have sth to shoot at.
It's been a while, have you tried yet? Do keep in mind though, from memory Links uses a Hasselblad film scanner which produced a more neutral colour than the Fujiflim SP-3000 scanner, ironically that is where a lot of the "film look" comes from. The Hasselblad scanner combined with a fine grained film such as Portra 160 actually produces a very modern look which may not be something you like.
And having said all that, you should definitely try out a Ricoh GR if you enjoy SOOC workflow like me. it offers one of the purest photo experience IMO. Film simulation is much better compared to Fuji imo, it has this pastel look which i love.
99.9% of my photos are SOOC. The remaining 0.1% is mostly just adjustments in contrast. I've heard good things about the Ricoh but I cannot justify spending money on another camera. I haven't even sold my X-T5 yet lol……
love the retro aesthetic