Why Are Chinese Businesses Always So Stingy and Exploitative?

Before I start the discussion this is not a offense to all Chinese and Asian and I just want to point out that not all the Chinese and Asian business are like this, but quite a decent amount of the Chinese business are always exploiting employees wage.

I have worked in a couple of Asian business at Brisbane usually at real estate and hospitality and the most common one are Chinese that are always so stingy about payments and usually likes to exploit employees.

I have work experience in both Taiwan and Australia and this is based on my work experience.

Taiwan: At Taiwan I was a teacher, teaching English to children and the schools are usually private educations. Before I start the work I will usually be offer a contract or a probation contract for an evidence that the job is legitimate and when I always finish work there will always be a clock-in and clock-out time system for evidence that I'm there. Even if there were no contract at pay day there will always be the pay slip system where I must sign a signature to prove that I was working there.

Australia: I will divide this into two. One is Aussie business and the other is Chinese business.

Aussie business: In most Aussie companies I will always be offer a contract or a job offer notice before I start work I will usually be offer a contract and the contract will have some sort of payment evidence to show that I am paid correctly and legally even a clock in system are displayed. Sometimes most Aussie business even pay you slightly higher than the national wage and weekend rewards. What I feel working there is that my identity is not controlled by the employer and I have the freedom to move around and evidence saying that I was there.

Chinese business: Now this is where most of my problems are. Before I work most employers don't even offer a contract. They will always verbally announce the probation contract such as a 2 week probation. Yes, I know that some job does have probations however, the probation wage is so low like $600 a week that's basically $15 an hour. They told me to work for 8 hours a day at a busy restaurant and the pay is significantly less than the national minimum wage. Even apprenticeship and traineeship has higher salary than this. What's worse is that even when I pass the probation period the employer literally just pretended that the probation never exist and still continues to pay you the $15 hourly wage. Plus there is not clock-in system and the employer is basically the clock-in system itself. The way they paid is always so sketchy like they pay you physically instead of digitally and no tax. Even legitimate business they still pay you the national minimum which is good, but compare to Aussie business that pays you slightly higher than the national minimum. I rather work at a Aussie business than a Chinese business since Chinese business are just so stingy and never level up the pay.

Conclusion
What I'm trying to say is that when I worked at a Chinese business. I feel like I'm being controlled and most of my evidence proving that I was working there is not adequately displayed and worse of all erased. The job is so hard working and the reward you get by working is so low that is around $12 to $15 an hour (btw I was an adult that time, not a teenager). There was no contract or some sort of payment evidence to prove that the payment I get is legally earned. I know that not all of Chinese business is like this and the ones that I worked legally. The pay is still basically stuck at the national wage and doesn't really give you a tiny bit more.

When I worked at Aussies business and Taiwan there will always be some sort of evidence to prove you worked there and payment you get is legal and the Chinese business mostly tries to erased my evidence or at least exploit it.

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  • OP is not very wrong, in China there is this kind of work culture.

    But China is still a developing country, like many other poor developing countries, like how waters / waitress can be paid as little as $5/hour in Bali. I enourage you to report these cases and let FairWork to stop them in Australia.

  • I'm aware of a few Chinese/Vietnamese businesses (restaurants, paint and plastering) that will bring over workers on a visa, they charge a huge fee to the employee, then they under pay them when they arrive.

    Also aware of some businesses where the employee has to pay to actually work there.

    The employee will put up with it because they are trying to get permanent residency and they don't know their rights. Also they are unwilling to complain out of fear they will loose their visa especially as they have already paid so much to the employer to get here.

    It's really sad and makes me angry. Some of these workers go on to eventually get PR and then they get a business and then they do this to others and the cycle continues.

    It's pretty common knowledge among Asian immigrants that this is happening.

    • -1

      This is why being highly skilled should be the only way to migrate permanently to Australia - all the other nonsense needs to be stopped.

      Like in most other Western countries, migration is going to become THE burning topic in Australia. Watch this space.

  • -1

    Multiculturalism has been such a rip roaring success in Australia eh!

  • +1

    This sadly is the norm, my first job was at an accounting firm doing 40 hours a week where I only received a flat $200 a week wired into my bank account. So it was not cash in hand either, it went through the PAYG system and worse I had to drop out of the Centrelink system because otherwise I would need to go through their scheme with compulsory job applications and going to the Job Centre every week to do seminars that are frankly pointless.

    My mentor at the time was like "You either come here everyday or you can go back on Centrelink and become a dole bludger". That really spooked me but that is the reality for most asians, especially those that have a Distinction average but not good enough that they have a HD average and are generally not employable in the government because of various other factors including how your name is pronounced and how you look. In the past and probably still today, HR departments will not take on an employee if there is a risk that it would lead to a payout due to workplace bullying. Now if you had a HD average, generally that outweighs everything, but if you have a Distinction average then you are less likely to be employed because there are hundreds or thousands more candidates that are average Australians including those with a credit average that would not lead to a compensation payout. This is why DEI is important because discrimination still exists. I should know, we have a lot of good coders but they don't look like your model candidate, in that they are hunched due to long study periods (thus their 83 average), maybe have aspergers or savant syndrome and maybe they have some weird sounding name. The government and private sector looks past all these candidates, but I take all of them, and I really have to say thanks guys for your discriminatory employment practices.

    Returning to the issue of not receiving Centrelink due to how my first workplace was structuring their workload. It is possible that was what put me ahead because those who continued to get Centrelink from my cohort ended up working in a call centre, whilst quite a few gave up and became full time dole bludgers (with a LLB for gods sakes!). The other thing is that you don't get paid superannuation either.

    So it is a double whammy, no tax dodge, no superannuation, underpaid… The PAYG slip would only state you worked for 10 hours a week… That is how they do it…

    At some point in time I woke up to it and left. Worked at a law firm instead, with similar shenanigans, but it was a lot better in that at least I got the minimum wage but no superannuation… After that I started to grow my own empire and made sure not to make it at my employee's expense.

    I guess having an underpaid job gets you the experience and puts you ahead to some extent in terms of employability. It is the reality that faces a lot of people.

    So why do these employers do it? They use it to get an edge in the market, that is why asians can provide services cheaper. It is coming out from the employees, sadly.

    I know the Australian Government does discriminate in their employment practices, thus I made a promise never to take on work that was related to the government. At one point I had an intelligence agency appear at my door but I said "Nope, not helping you guys", they made up all sorts of excuses to get into the door like I was their Uber and they lost their phone… Lol… Those are my principles at work.

    • The pay can be so shocking!

  • +1

    whoa whoa whoa we dont say the C word around here

  • +1

    not only Chinese companies - it is common in Australia for newly-arrived immigrants with poor English to be offered work by their native language speakers like 'don't worry - we'll look after you' - only later finding out they have been underpaid (how about mandatory employer super !?!?) and they haven't kept records so also the company hasn't paid tax. I expect you will find that with many different ethnic groups in Australia.

    Chinese have a patriarchal society where the boss man can act like a father figure to look after their workers - but it is also a family-centric society that tends to treat others badly to favour the family first. So today walking out of a shopping centre a Chinese guy rudely stepped close in front of me - about 30cm in front of my face, in order to toss a piece of garbage across in front of my face into the bin as we passed it. Then he sniffled off as if I didn't exist. I've read in very crowded places like Hong Kong it is considered polite to ignore your neighbours as otherwise you'd be greeting them many times a day which would be overwhelming.

    So Us & Them - if you are not their family, then Chinese people may treat you worse - as their society has not trained them to be civil to strangers in public - e.g. in Beijing in 1991 I learned how to get on a bus - use your elbows !

  • I can speak from experience. Having lived in SE Asia for 25 years on and off. Chinese businesses are largely family run. Reason for this is trust and efficiency. Secondly, Asia, due to its population is a HIGHLY competitive environment. Profit margins are typically thinner than in our country. Volume makes them their money. As such competitive forces are cutthroat and rivalry is large. If you don’t work in Chinese cultures, you don’t work. There are no Centrelink queues in Asia or anything remotely like it anywhere.

    This culture has permeated Asian societies and is seen by outsiders as weakness. It may appear that way and there is a choice - I prefer our way but that’s just the way it is. Hence when foreigners come heee, don’t think for one moment, they are just going to change. Not gonna happen. So my suggestion is, if you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen. I vowed never to work for an Asian owned business ever, going back decades, that was until 2012 when I took a position from an Asian (not Chinese) owned business. I quit in 4 months as I suffered the same indignity as the op. I should have followed my own advice. Caveat emptor! On a more positive note let’s appreciate our Chinese cousins for what they are good at and there is plenty for all to see in that regard.

    • -3

      Another reason that shows the failure of multiculturalism. It's not working. Immigrants should be required to integrate and assimilate. Failure to do so should mean the denial of PR and citizenship.

      • +1

        Should they be given social credits, based on their degree of "integration"?

        God give me strength.

        • no

          • @R4: So how would you propose their integration and assimilation is measured?

  • -1

    Thread not locked. I am surprised.

  • +1

    This comes from a survival mentality. Often immigrants come from a dog eat dog world where they must fend for themselves is every aspect of life. They come from places where injustice and corruption is common and they arent able to develop empathy let alone compassion as they have to focus on themselves.

    One of the ways of thinking is called 'scared to lose' where every transaction is your vs me and I need to 'win' at every transaction. Thats why people will queue up hours for a small free item. The stingy business owners are the ones that have become successful but havent broken this mentality and have zero empathy. Its hard to break and i have relatives worth 10s of M that live like paupers.

  • IMHO you are competing in the wrong demographics for the job, people who look for cash jobs are usually the ones who are either on centerlink or people who are on student visa and have limited working hours and will look for jobs that pay cash which is usually less than what you get paid digitally.

    A lot of the restaurants take cash for their business and in turn they use the cash to pay the staff, win - win for both sides if you know what i mean.

    If you are local you should be looking for jobs at a supermarket or department store where they pay you award wages with weekend rates.

  • +1

    Its not stingy its called supply and demand, if you don't like it you can leave but just know theres always someone who is willing to do it for less. If everyone collectively said 'no' maybe they will be forced to pay at least minimum but that's not going to happen.

  • Damn you're lazy….

    different cultures, different training, different education….

    Why are tradies so dodgy? Because they can….

    Why is our hygiene so much higher… education and government enforcement…… if you want to look at Asia,…. try Japan….

    Might as well ask why so many Asians are bad drivers…

  • -1

    Only one country on earth decided it was a good idea to mix rat poison into baby milk formula. That says it all.

    • yes the entire country decided that…

      Just like all of Australia decided to take babies from Aborigines

  • I'm sure where you're from no one is exploitative aye.
    The ozbargain trash posts continue full steam ahead.

  • Most likely because they're offering whatever they're selling at the lowest possible price so that they can be competitive to the other businesses around. So their profit margins are low and they need to pump out products and cut costs everywhere they can.

    People go to the "Asian" businesses because they know they'll most likely get the best deal.

    Being stingy s how they give customers the low prices they've come to expect.

  • It's probably more common in their home countries so they are more likely to bring it here.

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