Customers Asking Where I am From. Do You Find it Racist?

Hey everyone! I haven't posted a forum post for a while. I work in retail (I won't say where) and I have people/customers asking me where I am from.
I personally find it racist for people to ask me out of a sudden/randomly where I am from. Where does that accent is coming from? Strange name, where are you from?
How long you have been in Australia? Why did you come to Australia? Are some of the questions I am been asked daily and to be honest it's getting on my nerves and I find it racist.
To give you context, this are not regular customers that I have interactions everyday. This are random first time customers.

What do you think?

Racist or not racist.

Also I would like your input on how you would reacted if something like this occurs daily to you.

Edit: Thanks to scrimshaw for sharing this article. Although I respect people's opinion, I would suggest people reading this article that might change the way you think.

Poll Options

  • 143
    Definitely Racist
  • 657
    Not Racist
  • 941
    Just nosy/curious people

Comments

      • +1

        I'm sorry if my opinion offends you.

        • I'm sorry if my opinion offends you.

          Your opinion doesn't offend me. It's your misuse of the word RACIST that does

          • +1

            @CurlCurl: Well that offends me

            • @gakko:

              Well that offends me

              Don't worry. You will be fine tomorrow.

  • +3

    How old are you? This everything is racist crap has got to stop. You’re not a bloody victim because people are curious about you. Get over yourself. This woke victimhood is the worst American export in history. Toughen up and get on with it.

  • +10

    Its an interesting question and I don't think any of us can say how the individuals asking mean it when they ask nor can we say how OP should feel about it.

    I'm a white American living in Australia and I'm constantly asked where I'm from when people hear my accent. It is chit chat to me and I don't think twice about it. I look like the majority of Australians, I act like the majority of Australians and I share the cultural background (broadly) with the majority of Australians. I believe they're asking me out of curiosity and with no racial element. I blend into Australia and feel like one of you.

    My partner is non-white, was born in Asia and is also frequently asked when people hear her accent. She does occassionally experience full on racism and although shes been in Australia longer than me, she's never going to "look Australian" and wasn't raised exactly in line with Australian culture. She's totally assimilated but it isn't fundamentally baked into who she is. The question bothers her. I think if Australian society sees you as an outsider, occassionally treats you like an outsider, this question can hit a, rightly, sore spot. "You don't look or sound like us. Explain to me why".

    Are the people asking racist or intending to be hurtful? In 99% of cases no. Is it wrong to feel hurt about being reminded you're different to the majority? no.

    • That's an excellent response. Thanks.

    • I am surprised by the amount of people in this thread with Asian wives.

      • Lol, been outside reecently? I was at a kids party recently and practically all the kids were mixed race asians.

        • How trendy. Were they all White and Asian mixed or was there at least something a bit unique?

          • +1

            @Ghost47: All White/Asian in that case, though, also Asian fathers. The extended group does have other mixed race kids which are more unique.

            • +1

              @ihfree: I'm genuinely surprised the fathers weren't all White. How refreshing.

        • I expect it's heavily dependent on where you live.

  • +1

    How long you have been in Australia? Why did you come to Australia?

    They just want to make friends before asking for "mate's rates discount" which you know is the OzB way.

    Or a department of immigration under cover cheap shot in meeting quotas for arrests

  • Stop being a snowflake mate..

  • +1

    bloody hell, talk about being a bloody sook..sick of people playing the racist card…harden the f*** up mate

    • Ironically here you are having a sook

      • Being that your running around in here doing much worse, have you maybe considered being a part of the solution instead of the problem ?

        Maybe do some self reflection.

        • -1

          Triggered by that one were you

        • +1

          Maybe do some self reflection.

          His/her mirror is broken.

          • @CurlCurl: Horribly broken too, judging by the disgustingly racist comments they've been making in here.

  • +1

    How are you not curious where people are from? Im the person that asks when they have an exotic name. I think it is almost more racist to not care where people are from and ignore their cultural differences.

  • How on earth is a simple question like that racist ?

    • Victim mentality

      • It reads very much like OP is just projecting their own racism on to other people.

  • Nah looks fine, I get to experience that sometime and just took it as a small talk.

    What I find racist is if someone assume the race, though happened to me the otherway around. eg: mistaken someone as Malaysian when they are infact Vietnamese or Filipino.

  • +4

    As an Australian born Chinese, I often have this conversation with my overseas-born Asian friends. The vast majority of my friends also think like OP, that this question is racist and unnecessary. But I approach it a little bit differently. In a small-talk context, people latch onto the lowest-hanging fruit in order to create any possible form of connection. Wearing a footy jumper? Talk about the game. Carrying some pop-culture paraphernalia? Talk about that. Very obviously pregnant? Delicately talk about children.

    Not white? Ask about where you're from. It's just a way to form connections and try to be nice. It's not necessarily elegant (same as the pregnancy topic) but it's also not malicious. My father-in-law (from SEA) is notorious with this and will ask literally anybody he's freshly met, where they come from. But it's again purely because he's trying to form connections. The man is insanely well travelled and has likely visited whatever country the person is from so he's just trying to connect.

    • -3

      Appreciate your input as someone who's an Australian born minority.

      Not white? Ask about where you're from.

      This is, by definition, racist though. Contrary to forge a connection, it's more likely to other people.

      has likely visited whatever country the person is from so he's just trying to connect.

      I (and many others) could not care one iota about a strangers travels to the country that I have no connection to. Least of all from someone who doesn't have the social intelligence to not go for the (racist) "low hanging fruit" conversation starter.

      • +1

        This is, by definition, racist though. Contrary to forge a connection, it's more likely to other people.

        Racist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

        You really need to look up the common definitions of the word "racist".

        The commenter's father is using it as an clumsy conversational gambit, rather than as means of oppression.

        Even the Australian human rights commission definition, which goes into detail well beyond most common dictionary definitions, would not call this behavior "racist".

        https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/race-discrimination/what…

        • -2

          White person > no question asked
          Non-white person > othered by asking where they're from.

          You're treating a non-white person differently based purely on them being non-white. It is by definition racist.

          Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race

          • +1

            @Autonomic: You are really twisting that around hard. How is the commenter's father doing any of that?

            If I toss a tube of sunscreen at my Irish/Scottish hiking friend and don't put any on myself, am I being racist?

            • -2

              @rumblytangara: I quoted that link.

              If I toss a tube of sunscreen at my Irish/Scottish hiking friend and don't put any on myself, am I being racist?

              Maybe

              • +1

                @Autonomic: I think it's fairly clear that you're one of these people who are insistent on finding ill intent where none exists.

                I do have to wonder from your earlier condescending comment whether you have been on the receiving end of overt racism, because it sure doesn't come across that way.

                • +1

                  @rumblytangara: Lol. And it seems fairly clear you're a white person trying to tell minorities what is and isn't racist.

                  If you can't refute the logic then don't let your feelings get in the way.

                  You are really twisting that around hard. How is the commenter's father doing any of that?

                  By explicitly treating non-white and white people differently? In a way that's hurtful for many? There are plenty of people in this thread alone who talk about how it stings. Here's a bunch more if you don't believe them: https://www.whereareyoufrm.com/

                  If you're approaching someone using their non-whiteness as a "low hanging fruit" as a conversation starter, you're indirectly saying that not only is their skin colour the most interesting thing about them, you also assume they are less Australian based purely on appearance.

                  • +1

                    @Autonomic:

                    Lol. And it seems fairly clear you're a white person trying to tell minorities what is and isn't racist.

                    Ahahaha… no :D

                    Appreciate your input as someone who's an Australian born minority.

                    Though from this condescending little PC throw-away opener, I do assume that you're the white guy in the room.

  • It's a common question asked everywhere especially when travelling so no different being asked here. Some people just might genuinely be curious.

    We all have an accent, some stronger than others. If you want to shake off the accent influenced by own heritage, socialise amongst Aussie speaking people, make a conscious effort in your intonation and pronunciation.

  • +1

    Sounds like you're soft op.

    It's a great thing to do. I guess peoples race/religion/country. Then I get to ask and see if I'm.correct. if I'm.wrong it gives me something to look up later.

    I wish people would ask me where I'm from. I'd give them an hour lecture on anthropology. Followed by 30minutes of my lineage. I'd go into haplogroupa and genetics. Then however long they want to spend on a history lesson of Anglo Saxons.

    • +1

      Anglo Saxon …. Germanic tribes/vikings…. Europe is just Vikings/German reconquering themselves

  • +1

    Gen Z…..something something concrete

  • Worked more than my share of retail.
    Seen this plenty of times, often it's because the customer wants to find a common ground with the other person to get a better deal.
    Same way a lot of "Australians" only deal with others who share ancestry, Indians only want to buy from Indians, Chinese, Greek, Italian, Lebanese etc etc etc.
    They'd often intentionally bypass others to find "their mate" in the hopes of a better deal that they don't think whitey will give them.
    We never used to cry about it, toughen up a little.

    • Please don't use "whitey" if you're gonna be offended with the N word.

  • +5

    I'm an immigrant, have an accent and don't mind the question. It seems to me that you just really wanted to be like them so you didn't have to hear this question over and over again but just accept that you are different, be proud of who you are and where you are from.

    I speak 3 languages and have an accent in two of them. So what, I still speak 3 languages and made it happen in a foreign country. You may become a citizen but you'll never be like the others, and this is something to be proud of, @Scrooge McDeal

    • +1

      Very well said and quite badass as well I must admit.

    • This folks, is a winning mentality. Excellently said.

      OP's mindset is also completely ignorant to the fact that there are thousands of different national and ethnic groups from all over the world who are Caucasian, and all those "white folks" ask each other the same questions about their different backgrounds too.

      • +1

        To quote you:

        What's the opinion of some social media blogger from the ABC commenter on ozbargain got to do with anything ?

        Interesting how you're happy to pick and choose which minority voices you agree with depending on how it supports your behaviour or not. Maybe do some self reflection.

        • The ABC blogger quoted is not a minority. That's just an assumption you made.

          Seems like you are the one needing to do some self reflection.

          • -1

            @infinite: The article is filled with minority voices though isn't it. Thought you had a gotcha there didn't ya.

            Seems like you are the one needing to do some self reflection.

            Maybe do some reading.

            • @Autonomic: Interestingly enough, I did do some extra reading….. of your racist comments in here.

              Autonomic commented:
              White people thinking they can lecture minorities on what is and isn't racism will always be funny to me

              Absolute YIKES !

              What sort of a disgusting racist clown-world statement is THAT.

              Imagine being so unimaginably ignorant, you aren't aware that there's over 1000 different white nationalities and ethnic groups, many of them minorities ???

              • @infinite: Are you saying that caucasians are entitled to decide what is and isn't racist for all minorities because…. they are minorities too?

  • +2

    You are desperately trying to make something out of nothing

    • -2

      Read this comment.

      • +2

        What's the opinion of some social media blogger from the ABC got to do with anything ?

  • +2

    Is that you Donna Chang?

  • +2

    I'm not white and people ask me where I'm from all the time. I don't mind at all and am perfectly happy to chat to them.

  • +3

    I'm a foreigner and I wasn't born here. I do get asked these questions every now and then, but I totally don't mind and don't find them racist. In fact I actually find them helpful as a conversation opener and ice breaker.

  • +1

    I don't know why it's considered racist. Maybe I can learn something here.

    When I'm overseas regardless of continent, I get asked where I'm from or if my accent is Australian (or British in the US sometimes). I take it as someone just being curious, and a bit of a light conversation. Particularly in the US South, I would be asked constantly, or even stopped as I was walking.

    • Its because people focus on the "from"…. and not the intent, which is people want to know what your ethnic heritage is…

      Its a lazy 'got em'

      Same as when feminist whine about being called girl or female… jumping to the definition of the word and not the social usage

      When ever someone jumps to the definition of a word… time to move on, dont waste your time

    • When I'm overseas regardless of continent, I get asked where I'm from or if my accent is Australian (or British in the US sometimes). I take it as someone just being curious, and a bit of a light conversation. Particularly in the US South, I would be asked constantly, or even stopped as I was walking.

      Because you're obviously not from there. It's a completely different situation than being born and raised in Australia and being asked the question in Australia.

      • +1

        To be fair, it wouldn't be obvious until I opened my mouth. With exception of a few key things, it's typically very hard to tell that someone was born and raised somewhere. If it was easy to tell, wouldn't we not be having this discussion?

  • +2

    As a foreigner myself I hear that very often, I don’t think is racist at all.

  • -1

    Is your name Ngozi Fulani by any chance

  • +7

    I'm always curious what goes through people's heads when they ask this question.

    Scenario: You see someone who speaks perfect Australian english. You go up to them and ask them "where are you from?"

    Why? Do you ask this to literally every person you meet? I'm assuming no. So only to non-white people then? Why? What do you hope to gain out of this conversation? How does knowing someone's background help you in any way? Or is it just (a poor attempt) at small talk?

  • +5

    Yeah if a person just wants to start a conversation, or just a bit curious, definitely not racist.

    But this gets derailed five times a day when someone asks me "where are you from?" I guess nothing I do will ever be Australian enough because I'm Asian in the face.

    Asking "where are you from" isn't that overt hate speech prejudice form of racism. The person asking aren't evil or committing a hate crime. But if it's constantly old white men who are asking me and my colleagues this every day, then it becomes a bit more entrenching than simple curiosity, and obviously something less than public lynchings.

    Even though I know more about Michael Hussey's career and the debate between potato cakes vs scallops over my parent's mother country, I'm always made to feel like an outsider and that I have to work harder to prove that I'm valuable in Australia.

    It's tiring having to justify my identity as if it's light hearted whimsy.

  • +8

    As an Asian female, "Where are you from" itself isn't inherently racist, but, the follow up question (about 30% of the time now, 80% back early 2000s) gets racist quickly.

    Honestly, it feels very othering - no matter what you do, you're not white and it does wear you down.

    Now that I'm older, I take that question literally and just answer - the intent gets shown very quickly and I'd rather not focus my energy on trying to analyze the subtext when it can be easily ascertained by their response to my answer.

    • My heart warms each time the follow up statement is "you don't look Vietnamese you look more Chinese!" Whimsical curiosity it all is.

      But yes, like you, I now reply with "that's irrelevant."

      • There are only a handful of things more cringe than someone who can insist they can tell you "what kind of asian someone is" just by looking.

        • So cringe!

          A good 90% of the time, it makes me realise the speaker really has no real tact, or they think everyone's Chinese

          Between the races, however, there's ways but it's not foolproof.

  • I only ask because I have travelled a lot all over the world (circa 50 countries maybe?). I love hearing accents and if I think it sounds familiar, I ask where it’s from.

    90% of the time it’s ended up in some fun conversation “OMG I LOVE ABUJA! No wahala brother!”

    And when travelling, I get asked All. the. Time. where I’m from. “Australia”. “Oh! Border Security!” - literally every Uber driver in Africa. Haha.

    • +1

      I get the curiosity thing and it is heart warming when an actual bond forms.

      Context matters as well and you're right, when you're travelling, you do that knowing that you are an outsider when people overseas ask you where you're from.

      It gets tiring having to justify your membership in a professional setting once every five encounters each day.

  • I grew up in another country and speak English with an accent, however am anglo looking, as is my wife. I occasionally get asked where I am from, although most people can pick from the accent. It doesn't bother me - I say I am Australian but grew up in country X

    My kids were born here and look anglo, so never get asked where they are from

    My friend's parent's are immigrant from an Asian country, and he and his kids were born here, however look Asian.
    They do get asked "where they are from" more often even though they were all born here.

    So people are being treated differently based on appearance, whether they mind it or not

  • In a country which is a melting pot of many cultures, such a question is generally born out of curiosity. Unless it is asked in a spiteful tone.

    For context, I was born overseas.

  • +1

    It's casually racist, but not consciously racist.

  • not at all. you are victimizing yourself now.

    if it is racism, not asking those questions is also racism toward Australian. becuz it is also discrimation the other way.

    that is very natural they can think of.

    I dont think it is racism unless it damages you in any aspect but not the one from your negative mind.

    I am from Asian country and have been in some EU countries and US, Australia has the least racists. Welcomento Australia be positive you are in a good country compare to others

  • Sounds like you're ashamed of where you came from?

    • +1

      Not ashamed at all! But the curiosity can feel like an ID check.

      • So what? Do you assume people know everything about you just by looking at you? That's strange.

        • +1

          There's nuance to everything but at the end of the day, I'm a stupid stupid person with stupid stupid annoyances. Forgive me daddy.

  • +1

    No definitely not - they are interested and curious. If they treated you poorly due to this then yes.

  • +1

    I would hazard that most people asking are just looking for common grounds, perhaps they have friends that have a similar appearance or accent or have been travelling to a country which they might assume that you’re from, and they are just trying to break the ice. I wouldn’t necessarily expect maliciousness, but there’s obviously always exceptions to the rule. But for the most part I would assume it’s a harmless question.
    Aussie humor and/or gesticulation can take some getting used to as well, especially since a lot Asian cultures are very considerate of others and thus more held back in their behaviour.
    I wouldn’t read too much into it, and I’m saying this as a new citizen of AU.

  • +1

    its not racist at all, the world is flooded by snowflakes that have been brainwashed that everything is racist no matter what. i have no issue with anyone asking me where im from.

  • +1

    why cant i change vote i meant >nosy/curious people

    • You should be able to change your vote.

      • it's hard locked Eddie

        not that it matters now

        • Fixed. Now you should be able to change your vote.

  • They wouldn't be buying anything from you if they were racist.
    People just making chit chat, like asking about the weather, just trying to be friendly / start a conversation.

    • -3

      I understand that some people do that out of curiosity, hence I have put that option on the poll. However, some people put their curiosity above someone's feelings and also some other people (giving there is a different context) do it to racial profile you (e.g I will show you less respect if you are from there). Also the questions that follow after the initial first question of where are you from, most of the time are unnecessary, invasive of my personal details and feel like I am interrogated.

      • Everyone's from somewhere, why would it hurt your feelings. It's just a generic safe question to ask someone. Some people are actually proud of where they came from and will happily enlighten anyone who asks with a long answer about where they are from.
        Have fun with the question if you want, say you're from Mosman or the khmer rouge

        • -3

          why would it hurt your feelings.

          Because if the question it's been asked daily, you feel a foreigner, you feel not included, you feel not part of Australia. I don't know if you understand what I am saying. If people keep asking that question it's because I am different and it's like they emphasize/imply that I am not one of them (that I am not Australian) when in fact I am.
          In my opinion, this kind of questions shouldn't be asked to a random stranger as you haven't built that relationship to ask this kind of personal questions.

          • @Scrooge McDeal: Please define how "Australian" you are?
            You seriously sound entitled and full of yourself.

            • @Scythic: Why is it so important to many here to tell OP their feeling are 'wrong'? How does not wanting to constantly be asked where they are from make them entitled or full of themself?

              Maybe people who think this question is ok could just take on board that some people might not appreciate it or find it inappropriate?

  • +3

    You realise these people are just trying to be courteous and friendly?

    Yet, you hastily label them as 'racists.' Perhaps a career in retail isn't the best fit for you.

    • -8

      Perhaps my career choice should not be determined by nosy people. Nosy people shouldn't put their curiosity above someone's else feelings or be invasive of people's personal information.
      That's just weird. They can find something else to start a chat.

    • -2

      Good intentions don't absolve you.

  • Yes, it is annoying, and in some cases a bit racist, and it's something I avoid asking people of colour.

    • -1

      and in some cases a bit racist,

      It can't be a bit racist.

  • +2

    Reading these comments, it feels like we live in a society of butt hurt individuals who think everything is a issue/challenge directed at them.

    Of course customers are going to engage in small-talk with you especially if you are working in retail or the hospitality sector. Yes, it may be annoying that you are asked the same question over and over but to link it to racism?

    • -3

      Yes, it may be annoying that you are asked the same question over and over but to link it to racism?

      Do you doubt that amongst the curious people that are also racist people asking that question?
      Also do you find appropriate to ask this kind of questions to someone that you have just met?
      How would you feel if you were that person been asked that question? Have you ever been asked that question several times per day? Then you would understand how it feels. Sure the motives of most people could be curiosity, but you do understand that people are putting their curiosity above someone's else feelings and personal information?

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