Received a fine in the mail today for running a red arrow at an intersection.
The street signs at these lights indicate it's a 'speed' camera, not a red light camera or a red light speed camera. Do I have a case as the sign is misleading?
Are all cameras able to do both red light and speed, regardless of what the signage says?
LOL! Pay the fine and stop running red lights.
As for laws what state?
Do you have a dashcam video?
Give us the street view on Google maps, my bet is that it says Safety Camera or something.
Anyway, I'm glad you got fined! Running red lights is super dangerous.
Are all cameras able to do both red light and speed, regardless of what the signage says?
For you: yes
Mate you ran a red, be glad you didn't hit someone.
Oh what am I saying? Go to court! Get an offender's fee added on top.
I definitely ran the red I'm not denying that.
Then just pay the (fropanity) fine.
JFC.
Nah OP needs to be removed from the road if this is the attitude.
@Murkymerv: @Murkymerv
Rather than neg u I'll answer yr question.
"Its ok to break the law as long as you don't get caught" attitude.
Like stealing something and you're defence is "Ït didn't say 'do not take' so what's the problem?"
Would a “Red Light Speed Camera” sign have changed your behaviour?
Unfortunately, probably yes.
Same reason why people complain about notice/signs on speed cameras. They want to have notice so they can slow down, go past the camera, and speed back up again.
Too many people are more than happy to break traffic laws if they think they're not going to get caught, and even if they do the punishment isn't impactful. Maybe we should introduce a small amount of jail time (on top of the fine) - may make drives rethink offending…
@Chandler: I think we should be fining people based on their income to make it more impactful. To some people blatantly traveling 15 - 20km over the limit everywhere they go is "worth it" to them because they know they will either rarely get caught, and if they do, the fine is insignificant. I wander how many bogans earning good money would change their driving behaviour if they get fined based on how much they earn.
@Bruskey: There was a story in Finland where a wealthy businessman was fined based on his income
https://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/finnish-businessman-handed-12…
They don't always do both. You stuffed up but just be glad it's a fine.
There was a really nasty crash last week where someone ran a red light and collided with a motorcyclist.
Are you sure it isnt labelled a 'Safety' camera?
I definitely ran the red I'm not denying that.
OK, so what speed would have been acceptable when running the red light?
You should represent the OP in court?
But let's put it this way, the OP might run a red when there are no vehicles around might run a red when there are vehicles around.
You say “run a red” like driving through an intersection Iike it isn’t there. No one’s suggesting that’s a good idea, but what about after stopping? Decades ago we introduced “Left turn on red after stopping”. Why only left turn?
Heard that reasoning before but they dont see the pedestrian in their quick glance that were behind a power pole.
My mate after 2 years and 5 surgeries is finally able to walk a few steps at a time hit by a driver who didnt obey the red arrow.
Only 35 with a young family he will never be able to kick the footy etc with his kids. Just because a driver couldnt wait a few seconds.
Don't know how it is in NSW, but in WA red arrows in those situations become unlit after the pedestrian crossing timer is finished (where applicable).
Unlit turns are treated as give ways.
Thats what every driver who runs the light thinks until they wake up in hospital and find out that they just killed someone else.
lol… dear lord. I swear some of the things that get posted here damage my IQ.
Do you want the truth or have you come here for some "confirmation bias"??
But, yeah, sure, contest it. POut that down as your reason "it says speed, not red light camera, ergo, I am to have the ticket rescinded immediately."
Works for me every time I use this excuse… "Police hate this one simple trick…"
OP needs to have his license suspended pending a fitness to drive medical exam if he's asking questions like this.
How I read it…
"I did the crime, but is there a loophole so I don't have to pay the price for driving like a (fropanity) wit?"
This whole thread is going in my "own goals" collection…
Jesus Christ "it says speed camera so I can go through this red as long as my speed is at or under the limit"
It reads like one of those obviously wrong answers in the driving test.
You are approaching a red light, you are going the speed limit and you see a sign that says speed camera ahead.
Do you:
* Post on OzBargain
* Slow down and stop at the red light
* Keep going your speed and go through the red light because it's a speed camera not a red light camera.
OP came for the confirmation bias, stayed for the roast.
Oh, sneaky… I definitely got that reference… How very obscure :D
The OP has got to be a troll… the chances of someone really being this stupid + totally new account?
I’m not supporting his behaviour but considering that the mobile units were recently forced to put signage there, he may be able to contest it. Honestly though, is it worth getting a lawyer for it though?
OP report this to ACCC for false advertising
Definitely get on ACA as well.
You should totally get a lawyer and fight this all the way. Don't spare any expense, get the best lawyer you can afford. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. Speeding is a totally different thing to running a red light.
Take this to the UN!
OP better start checking for discount flights
https://www.skyscanner.com.au/routes/syd/hag/sydney-to-the-h…
Dennis Denuto is your man.
Better call Saul!
OP next minute: I hit and ran and got charged for it. Can I appeal as there was no sign saying I couldn’t hit and run?
If you didn’t exceed the speed limit while running, you certainly can appeal it because you can argue you weren’t technically running but just jogging, therefore legally it wasn’t a hit and run.
Next week - "I've been charged with a hit and run, but I wasn't running as I was very clearly driving"
OP deserves to be fined as no mention of it being dangerous to stop, but instead speed camera should not have got me running a red light camera on purpose to cause an accident if I was too slowwwww.
And double demerits points for posting it…..
It depends what state you're in?
If you're in Victoria, you're a bit of a d!ckhead.
If you're in any other state, you're a bit of a d!ckhead.
Maybe just don't run reds.
Clearly you havent been to 3064 lately , id love a dollar for every driver i see running red lights .
It depends what state you're in?
State of denial.
So what intersection did you get this fine at so we can see in Google Maps?
Appeals Dept : Hello how may I help?
OP : I got a fine for running a red light.
Appeals Dept : OK. Did you run the red light?
OP : Yes, but the sign said speed camera only.
Appeals Dept : <click>
Did you also get a speeding fine? Or were you over the limit?
If they have photographic evidence, I don't see why they wouldn't issue a fine.
Red light cameras were initially just red light cameras. It was well publicised that they were upgraded to also be speed cameras.
Fixed speed cameras initially used two sensors, and speed was calculated on a distance/time basis. I understand that the upgrade of red light cameras to also measure speed was done in software. A signal processor looks at the shape of the signal coming from the sensor and mathematically derives a speed from it.
Time to grow up and live in the real world OP, can't abide by the road rules catch a bus homie 🤡
Definitely have a case for misleading. Pursue it all the way to the high court. Let us know how you go as I want to pursue Smith’s snack foods for misleading me on burger rings.
Damn now that you've got me thinking about it I've never seen a Pringle pring 🤔
When you just don't have the words …👍
Leaning into the ridiculousness of this discussion:
Well you were speeding, because at a red light your speed should be Zero. So by running a red light, you exceeded the extremely-localised direction-based speed limit. Next time, reverse through the red light, so that your speed is technically a negative number.
Then if they challenge you on it, you can send the council a speeding ticket because the entire locality was - in a relative sense - speeding compared to you.
Boo this poster.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Boo this poster.
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Criminally downvoted, probably by OP. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
He got flashed: So he IS a flasher?
If I ever drive in NSW I will keep my undies on the dash:
Your Honour: This is not NSW content BUT NSFW content!
Nelson to OP: HAA HA!
MS Paint diagram of what the sign looked like required
Your speeding fine will arrive tomorrow.
Bet this isn't going the way you thought it would op.
End of the day you broke a pretty serious road law that other people have done and killed people in the past
Instead of trying to get out on a gotcha technicality which doesn't exist, pay the fine, learn from it and don't do it again
Do you have a picture of the sign?
Do I have a case as the sign is misleading?
Troll post…
You're asking if you have a case? A case for what exactly? You're implying that you only stop at red lights if there's a red light camera. Please tell me the suburbs where you live and work, so I can avoid them.
wow learn the road rules before you get into car next
Wow ,either a Troll post or you Sir, are Entitled with a capital E .
the correct speed at a red light is zero.
you were going faster than zero, right?
Bring back public hanging for red light violations!
For running a red light? You have Buckley’s of getting off that (and rightly so)
not sure but govt introduced those changes, it cost nothing to try. I guess it depends if OP got busted for speeding or running the red light. minor speeding you can get off for sure.
If you think the OP can get off running a red light, you should hand your licence in.
OP is claiming they got caught running a red light by a intersection camera that was sign posted as a speed camera.
There are certain infringements that are flat-out denied no matter how good your driving record is. I know failing to Stop at a crossing fine is one of them and so is a Red light fine.
No chance he is getting off this one.
Not for running a red light. Consider your get out of jail free wasted.
What are you claiming here exactly, entrapment? You broke the law, case closed.
yes, you can appeal it because when you entered the intersection and saw the red light camera marked as a red light camera then that was the same as entering into a contract of use with NSW roads for using that intersection.
by entering that unwritten contract (by accepting/consenting the conditions printed on the "red light camera" sign) then NSW roads have broken the terms of that contract.
in fact you could stab someone in front of that red light camera and can not be charged as it is just a "red light camera" and not a "red light and no stabbing camera".
I feel that a sarcam tag is now required /s
You drove through a red light.
File a complaint with the ACCC for false and misleading advertising…..
That'll show who's boss.
Talk about mental gymnastics. 10/10 on the scale by International League of Bullshit Sniffers.
Wow
They don't put 'speed' cameras at intersections. They are either 'red light' cameras or 'safety' cameras.
Safety cameras monitor both red light runners and speeders throught he (usually) amber light.
Speed cameras are mostly at random places between lights/intersections.
You went through a saftety camera and got nabbed, pay the fine and learn the lesson.
You sound abit salty
Good
Huh, so if there is a sign saying red light camera then u will follow the rule if not you will cross red light every time you drive?
The movie Idiocracy predicted all of this
The first time I watched that I thought it was a spoof on documentary making… not that it would end up being prophetic…
Doesn't matter what the sign says. If you ran a red light then you'll cop the fine. The sign you should have been paying attention to was the red light..
Gee… the fishing is great in here today!
Next topic would be "I got pulled over by Highway Patrol for doing 120km/h in the 60km/h zone on a local street. Are they legally allowed to do that because I wasn't travelling on highway so their label of Highway Patrol is misleading!"
Yes
Stop breaking the law a**hole!! - Fletcher Reede
Hahahahhahaahahahahhaahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahhahahahahaha.
@SaltyFries are you going to come back to answer the questions in this thread, or just run away like a coward?
@kerfuffle:OP is just wasting our time. As he did a red-light runner, he has done a runner here too.
Hopefully, OP fights it and reports back. A court may even increase the penalty - that would be a decent and entertaining outcome.
I can't believe this is even a question.
Really?