Issuing ‘No-Fault’ Evictions as a Landlord to Tenants in WA

Kawaii on 03/03/2024 - 00:32
Last edited 06/03/2024 - 20:59 by 2 other users

I have two properties and due to my work reasons the current one I am living in, is an hour from work and it’s been torturing me for a long time.

The second property which I wanna move in, has a fixed term lease till November 2024 (signed by the previous owner).

As much as I want to solve this in a polite and civil way.

  1. I offered $1,500 cash for tenants to move if they were able to move out before Jan 2024. As a compensation for their troubles.

  2. I offered they can break the lease after Jan 2024 if they give me two weeks notice and I really need the house back for myself.

Now I’ve seen in WA I can potentially do ‘no fault’ evictions, I am just wondering if that’s really the way I should go.

It cuts down my travel from maximum 1 hr and 10 minutes to 7 minutes -13 minutes to when it comes to traffic.

I have 12 hour shift normally, I also need to do everything by myself as family is far away and I’m currently single. this stresses me out since last year.

OP Edit: Resolved . No more questions. Thanks.
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      • Wort on 04/03/2024 - 22:00
        +1

        You told them that their lease wouldn't be renewed. You didn't "give" them anything.

  • Fredfloresjr on 04/03/2024 - 12:17
    +4

    After all, Kawaii was not clean and clear. Very dirty landlord.

  • Cyphar on 04/03/2024 - 13:17
    +2

    $1500 doesn't do anything especially in the middle of a housing crisis. They aren't going to move unless they find something so reach out to any contacts you have and offer to help.

    Have you considered selling or renting out your Mandurah property and renting closer to work instead?

  • mrkorrupt on 04/03/2024 - 13:44
    +2

    I agree that if all that your offering is $1500 then you are a bad landlord.
    You rented them to Nov 2024 and now you regret your decision. surely you should honour it or at least provide free rent until they find a place, and all moving costs (hiring someone to pack their stuff, and move it and unpack it on the other end, as you are the one who made this unforced error, therefore they should not be out of pocket, out of time or out of convenience for such an error on your part.

    • Eeples on 04/03/2024 - 16:37
      +3

      Are you the narrator?

      • richadam on 05/03/2024 - 09:44
        +6

        Chat GPT comment whore

    • Jolakot on 05/03/2024 - 19:46

      The question is reasonable, the complete lack of awareness in the comments is laughable.

  • YoungQuan on 04/03/2024 - 17:57

    No fault eviction notice/notice to vacate can only be issued after the end of the fixed-term tenancy agreement. The only thing you can do is to incentivize the tenants sufficiently enough to mutually rescind the current agreement and move out. For a lot of people $1,500 is not enough to compensate to inconvenience and moving costs. Perhaps $2K and covering the moving costs/no end-of-lease clean required would be more reasonable.

      • El cheepo on 05/03/2024 - 01:41
        +16

        How do you not understand why you annoyed so many people?

        I told tenants on last November they have to move eventually at end of lease.
        Any time in between then and next year I’m happy to take a two week notice and get things done without any penalty to them and I offer cash for them to move.

        This is perfectly reasonable and no one has an issue with it. In fact, its a kind offer.

        I got frustrated because there is nothing they’ve done and I thought I have a way to get them out.

        This is exactly why you have 100 people telling you your a selfish scumlord.
        Thats a selfish childish attitude.

      • jorf on 05/03/2024 - 09:38
        +15

        Your lack of self awareness is wild. You got frustrated because they don't want accept your shitty offer? Unbelievable. Stop being a complete loser and just honour the contract.

    • richadam on 05/03/2024 - 09:48
      +8

      no way was our costs near 1500

      • Professional movers - $1500
      • 2 weeks rent - $1000
      • 4 Weeks bond - $2000
      • Bond cleaning fees - $1000
      • Time off work for rental inspections and move - $1000 maybe

      … You can see how the costs add up right? It's not just the moving cost. Plus the tenants don't have to do anything legally, so you better be offering them an incentive to be doing you a favor.

    • Davo1111 on 05/03/2024 - 13:26
      +5

      It's Perth, there are ZERO rentals available right now.

      If I moved out, i could pay $100 more a week and still not find an equivalent place.

  • Dack Smith on 04/03/2024 - 19:08
    -1

    As soon as the tenant moves in, they become like part owners of the property and you can’t just kick them out

    But you can always offer a big nice incentive for them to move out, of course much higher than what you offered.

    $15K and above is reasonable

  • john676 on 04/03/2024 - 19:15
    +9

    You seem very entitled. Leave your tenants alone.

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 04/03/2024 - 20:15
      +6

      OP has become a scumlord within 4 months…imagine after 20 years shudder

  • markb28 on 04/03/2024 - 19:37
    +5

    1500 is a crap offer, that will cover the moving costs for a 3 bed house. Offer them that as moving costs and first months rent in the new place they find (up to the value of the rent they are currently paying) if they move in the next couple of months. That may get them actively looking for a new place. Also promise no nonsense bond return too and no excessive professional end of lease cleaning etc. That would be an incentive. If they don't want to move, then just suck it up - you tried.

  • ldq on 04/03/2024 - 22:15
    +6

    Sorry it's kinda unrelated but while reading this dramatic property investment episode I caught myself thinking how much I love managed funds…

    • Kawaii on 04/03/2024 - 23:55
      -5

      😅 the drama came from comments

    • Baghern on 06/03/2024 - 14:19
      -3

      Im laughing at all the delusional made up moving costs

      Majority of people dont get professional movers, nor do they pay 1500+

      I'm aware of rich work colleagues getting professional movers because they have heaps of things, they paid 1500-2000

  • Exorcist on 05/03/2024 - 01:51
    +2

    ask your tenant if you asking them to move out early and searching everywhere to evict them would stress them out, then stfu about your “stress”

  • twocsies on 05/03/2024 - 01:52

    Don’t you just talk to the rental agent about getting a property near the other one? You’re their customer so they will get you the inside track for a rental property. Just make sure you pay approximately the same for the rental as the property pays, and everyone wins.

    • Jolakot on 05/03/2024 - 19:48

      They'd still be out on taxes, pm fees, repairs, rates etc.

  • shaybisc on 05/03/2024 - 10:19
    +4

    Should have bought a vacant property if you want immediate occupancy.

    • Kawaii on 05/03/2024 - 13:13

      True that

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 05/03/2024 - 12:42
      +8

      Riiiiight, we're going to need 2 things from you.

      1. Evidence that backs up your 80% claim
      2. A reason your made up statistic for Melbourne has anything to do with Perth lol
      • jonkvh on 05/03/2024 - 15:22
        -4

        Nup. Not handing to you. If you're not interested enough to find out yourself… I found the info quite easily unless the Feds are making it up.

        • Randolph Duke on 05/03/2024 - 16:36
          +7

          You're the one making the claims, the onus is on you to provide evidence. We're not hear to the base research for your claims.

        • Jolakot on 05/03/2024 - 19:51
          +1

          I asked Google Gemini and it said it can't answer the question, with a bonus lecture about diversity.

          Is that what you meant?

          • jonkvh on 05/03/2024 - 20:42
            -1

            @Jolakot: Yeah, good one. Gemini won't ever answer that. Gemini was so woke it gave white people in history, black faces. Then couldn't show a white female & male together.

            Do I have to prove that too?… or am I automatically wrong according to Randolph Duke's logic?

            Here's a hint… watch your politicians in real time on their Parliamentary feed from Canberra, during question time. How's that? That not suit you!?

            • Randolph Duke on 06/03/2024 - 06:06

              @jonkvh:

              How's that?

              Not great. How do you predict the future to know where you allegedly saw/heard will be spoken about again? Is this like an infinity time period request?

            • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 06/03/2024 - 10:05

              @jonkvh: What are Melbourne based politicians going to tell us about Perth?

  • CodeXD on 05/03/2024 - 13:23
    +2

    Change job so you your work is closer to your current house. You'll probably have better luck with that than tenant moving and finding another rental.

    Honestly finding rental is like a new job, you gotta fill in application form, discuss/interview with the REA to determine you are the right fit and suitability, and ofc there is contract and fortnight/monthly payment involved.

    You like where you work? Well your tenant like where they live lol

  • maverickjohn on 05/03/2024 - 14:19

    If you sell your current house that you are in, you don't have to pay capital gains. Consider selling your current property and buy another closer to work.. it will probably equate to the same as waiting the 5 months when it comes to seller fees but stamp duty will be unaccounted for.
    Honestly the likelihood as that both you and your tenants will all be happy as they stay, you move to a higher growth area and are also closer to work.

    • Kawaii on 05/03/2024 - 14:23
      -1

      My first property already has a gain for $350,000 within 2 years. I will keep it tho coz it’s close to beach

      • maverickjohn on 05/03/2024 - 14:31

        Ahhhh
        That explains why you haven't considered selling it's a nice holiday home as well..
        Look it's a difficult situation. Does your job allow working from home? Is it something you can plan for 5 months until your tenants contract expires? Just trying to think of how to make the wait easier if possible.

        • Kawaii on 05/03/2024 - 18:25

          :) thanks.

          I decided to just wait… not long til lease expires
          Will start packing today

  • Drakesy on 05/03/2024 - 16:55

    investors should be forced to take on a mandatory IQ test and read the national and state tenancy laws.
    The amount of people who treat them like a plaything, only ever pulling money out of them is amazing.

  • MelbEng on 05/03/2024 - 17:34
    +3

    What about you renting near South Perth and you rent out Mandurah?

      • Drakesy on 05/03/2024 - 19:34

        You do know what ethics are right?

        • rumblytangara on 05/03/2024 - 20:23
          +3

          OP: Ain't ethics those damn' immgrants that are jackin' up house prices and being shitty tenants that won't move out at the drop of a hat?

          /s for those who didn't find this obvious.

  • gtech on 05/03/2024 - 20:11
    +2

    Classic

    Live and Mandurah and work in Perth. Just realised that it would be closer to Live in East Perth.

  • ihbh on 05/03/2024 - 20:39
    +1

    Why don't you rent near your investment property until Nov 2024 or (for 12 months and extend them a few months)?

      • rumblytangara on 05/03/2024 - 21:26
        +3

        But you are totally happy to make your tenants move twice?

          • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 06/03/2024 - 10:07
            +6

            @Kawaii: No they don't have to move. Quick application to the Tribunal and they can stay a further 6-12 months past November.

            Happy to help them out with this process if you share this post with them.

      • Vinodra on 05/03/2024 - 21:57
        +2

        You have to be baiting at this point…

        If not, you really do deserve every inconvenience this legally binding contract is causing you. Maybe it will teach you some humility, though…. I doubt that.

          • Vinodra on 06/03/2024 - 07:13
            +4

            @Kawaii: The fact that you think you think you should have given no notice in November prooves that you absolutely deserve to have a 2 hour commute for the next half a year, it really couldn't have happened to a better person.

            Back to the original point, if someone asked me to do something as exhausiting as move houses early for $1500, i'd tell them to get lost. $1500 is not enough to even cover the cost of moving.

            You're delusional if you think that is a reasonable ammount to offer for such an inconvenience.

            Lets be honest here, even if they moved right now they aren't getting their current bond back anyway with someone like you as their landlord, thats another couple thousand they will need to come up with.

            Once again, you deserve everything that is happening to you right now and more.

            • dizzle on 06/03/2024 - 09:46

              @Vinodra:

              The fact that you think you think you should have given no notice in November prooves that you absolutely deserve to have a 2 hour commute for the next half a year, it really couldn't have happened to a better person.

              Shh, seeing how much research OP has done, they would probably slip over to a periodic lease without OP noticing. He then turns up after the lease expires to find out how much more notice he needs to give.

        • rumblytangara on 05/03/2024 - 22:30
          +2

          You have to be baiting at this point…

          I don't think he has the nous to be baiting. His ego and lack of empathy means he simply can't comprehend most the points people are making because they don't correspond with his limited world view.

          I mean, we're taking about some guy who can't count past two fingers on one hand…

  • letmecry on 05/03/2024 - 22:56
    +2

    The OP is being ridiculous. After all the replies, he is still ignorance.

    I think you should look into what if you offer them $5000 to move, and this saving you around 600 hrs.
    How much you value your time?

    People already list out what actually cost them to move.

      • lunchbox99 on 06/03/2024 - 00:01
        +3

        You don't seem to understand that if they have to rent another place they will likely have to pay more rent in the current market, so 8-9months of extra rent is a very real additional cost for the tenant.

        Wouldn't be impossible for them to pay $100 extra per week for a similar property vs their current lease * 36 weeks. Can you see why they have zero interest in moving for $1500?

    • tetra on 06/03/2024 - 08:39
      +6

      don't believe you haha

      • parsimonious one on 06/03/2024 - 10:11
        +5

        I agree, from the belligerent responses here, there is little chance OP has just dropped it.

        I hope the tenants are more sensible and savvy than OP and resist any attempted shenanigans via the tribunal 🤞

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 06/03/2024 - 10:08
      +1

      No they're not.

    • chichi on 06/03/2024 - 13:45
      +2

      You know we can see the times you posted your replies don’t you? 3 minutes before you had a totally different story.

      • rumblytangara on 06/03/2024 - 18:38
        +4

        This thread has been wildly entertaining, but mainly at the expense of the OP. What an absolute saddo.

  • niaboc on 06/03/2024 - 10:26
    +2

    you could offer them 50 grand and its not going to change the fact that theres a housing crisis. They'll find themselves with tents and swags from BCF and $49500 in the bank.

  • LlamaLlamaLamp on 06/03/2024 - 11:50

    Don't be a C***. In the current market they'll basically be homeless.

    • LlamaLlamaLamp on 06/03/2024 - 11:52

      Is there a no swearing rule?

      Don't be a (profanity).

    • LlamaLlamaLamp on 06/03/2024 - 11:53

      Is there a no swearing rule?

      Don't be a (profanity).

      • ihbh on 06/03/2024 - 14:34
        +1

        Is there a no swearing rule?

        I don't know. But there might be an echoing rule.

  • Look Up on 06/03/2024 - 17:24
    +7

    @Kawaii

    Wesley, why do you compulsively lie?

    WA can't be so boring that you have to constantly manufacture drama all the time:

    Kawaii 17 hours 51 min ago
    Tenants are moving out next week, required no payments. End of topic. Thanks for the help

    Kawaii on 02/12/2022 - 17:00
    And it’s not my house.
    As I’ve said my house has a Black Door
    And the proof of delivery shows this item was delivered to a house with a RED door that has a different shape of wall than mine.

    Kawaii on 24/10/2022 - 15:45
    Talked to the manager of Australia, they won’t honour the orders and will send $20 vouchers for each user who ordered it. Cannot be used with any other offers. So party over

    • parsimonious one on 06/03/2024 - 18:30
      +3

      lol I didnt realise OP was the same guy who refused to simply do a stat dec when asked

      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/742775

      Lmfao, if nothing else, the guy is consistent

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 07/03/2024 - 12:57

        OP also the guy whinging about having trouble finding bulk billing clinics in WA lol.

        Are you really a Land"lord" when you're 700k in the hole and can't afford $40 at a GP?

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 06/03/2024 - 22:17
    +7

    Lmao Kawaii mass comment unpublishing. Already archived, you're too late.

    • AustriaBargain on 07/03/2024 - 11:57

      A landlord convinced he can evict his tenants "just cos", this is one for the history books.

      • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 07/03/2024 - 12:51
        +2

        More common than you think. Thus the importance of piling on every occurrence ;-)

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