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My old 4800U (8 core / 16threads) laptop is playing up and it's 16 Gig of RAM is severely limiting my CAD work now.
so, i'd committed myself to buying a desktop.

I'd settled on a basic 8700G based Ryzen system with 64 Gig of RAM. (the G has basic graphics built in, ain't interested in anything else!)
a SINGLE CORE benchmark of 3917 on one site………

This is a nice 50% increase on my 4800U lapop which has a score of 2564

** EDIT - For a similar price / Performance INTEL / conventional motherboard system, closest competitor would be the $400 I5-14600K, it beats this by 2-3 points in single core and multi core Geekbench, but system MAX power is at least 3x more**

EDIT - Board arrived last week, it comes with a rear plate and two wifi screw in connectors, and a dedicated small slot so you can easily add your own cheap wifi WiFi 6E AX210 type card from Aliexpress or similar for under $30. Or just plug in direct the mini PCIE modules for under a tenner or from an old laptop and clip the cables in if you're feeling stingy!

here's a nice 'CPUbenchmark' comparison of a few
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3721vs5232vs5036vs5031v…

Now, where the 'deal' bit comes in..
The equivalent single core performance AMD 7700X / 8700G processors come in at around $500 AUD……,

I figured, my minimum investment's gonna need to be around $1500ish (8 core chip with a 4060) to get any drastic improvements over my laptop
Picking budget items on PC Part Picker AU gets me to about $600 (plus post) for a 8700G, motherboard and CPU Cooler! - the same as this board.
BUT………..
this board has 50% higher multi core performance! (as it has double the cores!)

If you compare laptop processors - this one's THIRD
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html

with an overall benchmark that sits at the lower end of HIGH range desktops!

So, Summary, after all that waffle.

Spending $640 right now, gets me 16C/32T processor with basic integrated graphics
I'd need to get an $830 7950X to match the number of cores and a minimum of $1000 on a mobo/cooler deal……..(and an old second hand GPU from somewhere)
it's about 14% faster in multi core, and 5% faster single core

EDIT -
Paired this with 64GB Kingston Fury 5600 CL 40 DDR5 RAM @ $299 from JW (cheaper on Amazon @ 275, but 2 weeks till delivery)
(these IGPU's are very RAM timing dependant, you get a LOT more performance with better RAM!)

and with a Cooler Master modular power supply - MWE V2 750W power supply @ $115

Total invested now is $640 + $430 = $1070……..
add any old case and i'm in for $1k

AND….I can always add a big beefy GPU later on!

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  • videoman on 20/02/2025 - 08:30
    +4

    Normal price? https://au.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0DQ8WT1MY

  • TCM on 20/02/2025 - 08:32
    +2

    I think you're missing a bit on the end of the link - should be: https://www.amazon.com.au/MINISFORUM-BD795i-SE-Barebone-PCIe…

  • CodeXD on 20/02/2025 - 08:51
    -3

    If you compare laptop processors - this one's THIRD

    Yes but that is comparing laptop processors lol you're not buying a laptop.

    This is a Mini ITX PC, you'll be limited on what graphics card size you can put in.. if you can at all.

    A prebuild with 4060 is much better value

    • sdfgsdf6478 on 20/02/2025 - 08:57
      +1

      An iGPU with >32GB shared memory is one of the only "affordable" ways to run bigger LLMs locally. So as always it depends on use case and YMMV. Not that I would pick this one either.

      • Commodore64 on 20/02/2025 - 10:39
        +1

        If it's AMD, good luck running LLMs at all with ROCM. With LLMs of that size inference might not even be a token per second.

        • sdfgsdf6478 on 20/02/2025 - 10:52
          +2

          Yeah like I said, I wouldn't pick this one either.

    • bleugh on 20/02/2025 - 09:27

      Define 'Value'?

      yes, it's THIRD in laptop processors.
      it also pretty much matches the DESKTOP 7950X

      I've just gone through this excercise. it's NOT.
      Spending $800 all in, with some memory, a basic PSU and basic case nets me 15% less multi core performance (3% less single core) than JUST a 7950X processor on it's own!.
      I'd need to spend 50% MORE on a pre-built to obtain pretty much the same performance

      i REALLY wanted a pre-built, even had one in the cart, ready to go (8700G or 7600X )the 7700x didnt' seem worth the extra) ………
      but this thing blows them out of the water!

    • GUYANDSON on 20/02/2025 - 09:52
      +1

      it's a mini-itx motherboard with the processor embedded

      you can throw it in whatever case you want with whatever graphics card you want.

  • Shadowsfury on 20/02/2025 - 08:57
    +1

    I've seen these before while looking for a minipc but then since its barebones what do you do with it? I get need to DIY RAM/NVME drive but what about closing out the case?

    Or do you just mount this inside whatever desktop sized case you like?

    • bleugh on 20/02/2025 - 09:29

      'whatever' you fancy!
      I'll probably run it naked bolted under my desk

  • Murrayb123 on 20/02/2025 - 09:22
    +4

    Normal price, stll a bargain. I built a server/ Proxmox node with this along with 96GB of DDR5 Corsair RAM, a 2TB SSD, Inwin ITX Case w/ 200W PSU and a Noctua slim case fan and it's been running great!

    • canberradj on 20/02/2025 - 14:18
      +2

      I've been resisting exactly this for weeks. I don't need more temptation…

  • SunshineKiter on 20/02/2025 - 09:34
    +1

    Could anyone comment on how much this would cost to get running with a gen 5 ssd, 96GB RAM (maximum allowed), and a PSU supporting a 300W graphics card? I have a graphics card that needs a system, so I am curious how much this would all come to in order to be functional. Cheers.

    • cheapdoodau on 20/02/2025 - 09:46
      +2

      Super rough

      Good 2tb gen5 ssd is around $350
      96gb ddr5 5200 sodimm is around $380
      SFX PSU 750w Gold is around 200
      Case 150-250
      CPU fan 30

      maybe $1200ish but cheaper if you snipe some deals
      + mobo itself

      $1850~

    • bleugh on 20/02/2025 - 09:49

      go to PC Parts Picker and find out!

      really doesn't seem like this is for you though

      64Gig FAST CL40 5600 RAM will set you back $280…., 96 Gig of slower RAM will be closer to $400
      add in a low end PSU for, say $100
      and a 1TB SSD for maybe $150

      • cheapdoodau on 20/02/2025 - 09:53
        +4

        I used a cheaper cooler master PSU once, it literally caught on fire and started pumping smoke into my room - never again. Always spend a bit more on quality PSU - IMO

    • mantra on 21/02/2025 - 14:55
      +2

      96GB RAM for $338 from Amazon AU

      CORSAIR Vengeance SODIMM DDR5 96GB (2x48GB) 5600MHz CL48-48-48-90
      CMSX96GX5M2A5600C48

      • bleugh on 21/02/2025 - 15:40
        +1

        They are a great price, I almost went for 96 gig, but settled with 64 Gig and the Kingston KF556S40IBK2-64 DDR5-5600 CL40-40-40 sticks instead. The iGPU really benefits from the first word latency reduction….

        some benchmarks (this one) have shown 20% or more difference with standard memory vs higher frequency / low CAS
        though can be a lot less!

        figured this would benefit me day-day more than 33% more RAM

        Saying that though, I did spot the KF564S38IBK2-32 which can be DDR5-6400 CL38-40-40 OR DDR5-6000 CL38-38-38, a bit faster, BUT, 1/2 the capacityso not great with only 2 slots, I really wanted that 64 Gig

        • pedeyet762 on 22/02/2025 - 00:37
          +1

          Can you let me know what latency score you are getting on aida64 memory test with that 5600 cl40 sodimm kit? Curious how it compares to desktop ram.

          • bleugh on 22/02/2025 - 14:39

            @pedeyet762: aye, once the memory arrives, i'll have a go!
            remind me in a week if you've not heard from me

          • bleugh on 25/02/2025 - 16:31

            @pedeyet762: 83.9 ns out of the box without any optimising on AIDA64 Extreme
            0.7ns on L1 Cache

            3581.8 passmark
            58189.6 CPU MARK
            3649.3 MEMORY

            will probably improve with a bios update and some tweaking to timings

            • pedeyet762 on 28/02/2025 - 12:23
              +1

              @bleugh: Im assuming "out of the box" means expo/xmp is turned off? 83ns is similar to what you would get with default jedec settings (4800 cl40).

              But yeah, you can definitely improve memory latency by tweaking, sometimes by a lot (can usually do sub 60ns on regular dimms in single rank). Not sure how big benefit is, but seen worthwhile gains in gaming benchmarks for non-x3d cpus.

              For instance, if your ram kit has hynix ics then you can lower tras and trc by a lot from stock settings.

          • bleugh on 06/03/2025 - 16:33

            @pedeyet762: just clocked speed to 3600MT from 3200MT - getting 89.5 latency
            0.8ns on L1 Cache

            probably need to learn how to tweak!

  • cheapdoodau on 20/02/2025 - 09:40
    +2

    Great little mobo/cpu. In my experience these run a little hot and potentially loud, and the BIOS isnt amazing.

    Undervolting helps and try choose a quiet 120mm fan for the CPU.

    • Shadowsfury on 20/02/2025 - 11:21

      Definitely feels like a great budget option for desktop level CPU performance

  • Panpanw on 20/02/2025 - 12:16

    What is the different between BD795i SE and BD790i??

    I can see the fan and wifi are different.

    • bleugh on 20/02/2025 - 12:35

      Looks like the main difference is

      Wireless - AX1675 + Cable on the 790I
      M2 slot on the 795i

      so, no wireless on the cheaper model!

      • JonnyCookieDough on 20/02/2025 - 12:37
        +1

        the pcie 5.0 m.2s is the big part and the m.2 cooler that comes.

        • bleugh on 20/02/2025 - 12:40

          BE795i SE without SSD heatsink and SSD fan connector, without internal antenna adapter (IPEX U.FL MHF4 Coaxial Pigtail Cable)

          from their webpage!

  • pedeyet762 on 20/02/2025 - 21:52
    +1

    So there is no chipset on the motherboard? Does that mean you only have 24 pcie lanes total here compared to 36 with cpu + b650 and 44 with cpu + x670? Seems like quite a compromise for expandability (10g nic, nvme adapters, usb cards etc).

    • Nom on 20/02/2025 - 22:44
      +2

      It's an ITX board - you only need enough lanes for the 16x slot and the pair of M.2 slots.

      • pedeyet762 on 22/02/2025 - 00:32

        Fair point, not much has been compromised compared to b650i boards (only losing out on a few sata and usb ports). In fact the expensive asus rog b650e-i has only one gen5 m.2 slot (other one is gen4) compared to two on this.

    • bleugh on 21/02/2025 - 07:44
      +2

      it has 2 x PCIe 5.0 x4 slots 1 x x16 slot
      2.5G ethernet onboard
      2 x USB2.0 Type A
      2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type A
      can do 3x 8k displays -
      1 HDMI 2.1 (still not very common, most are on 2.0)
      1 Displayport 1.4
      1 USB-C (alt DP)
      PCIE Bifurication

      So, for a grand, all in, you can have a 64Gig 16 core / 32T 'monster' that benchmarks just outside of the top 100 processors available

      It trades blows witht the 11% faster Core Ultra 9 275HX - and the Core i9-13980HX, 13% slower

      check Geekbench charts!, at 2743 for single core, the top intel device sits only at 3134 -
      Single core matches the Ryzen 5 7500F, Intel Core i9-13900, Intel Core i7-14700 and is close to the Intel Core i5-13600KF (a range of $350-$500 Processors)
      Multi Core - sits at 15945…
      The top intel device sits comfortably higher at 21659……
      But, this trades blows with the threadripper PRO 5955WX (i'll leave you to figure out the cost)
      DESKTOP Ryzen 9 Pro 7945 (a $1000 processor!) or the i5-14600K ($500 on it's own)

      So, closest competitor would be the $400 I5-14600K, it beats this by 2-3 points in single core and multi core
      Add in a $180 motherboard (with 2.5 gigabit LAN) , memory ($280 64 gig DDR 5 5600 CL40 ) and power supply……..

      and, it's a similar price to this thing………and a similar perfomance………with a 4x power draw!
      so, yeah, it's not for everyone, but it's a Blimmin good deal

      • bindok on 25/02/2025 - 14:34

        This guy benchmarks!

  • mantra on 22/02/2025 - 18:51
    +1

    considering the entry price of mATX $105 vs mITX $239, performance of cpu and feature set of the minisform this is certainly a compelling deal

    • bleugh on 24/02/2025 - 07:14
      +1

      Ta, never considered the 'micro' factor of the board, concentrated too much on the 'haterz' suggesting it's crap as it's 1% slower than the bestest intell fabulosium whatever - which costs twice as much!

      Bang for buck, i'm still pinching myself wondering if it's real!, will find out soon when memory arrives

  • Shadowsfury on 24/02/2025 - 16:23
    +1

    Still on my radar….

    So would need:
    - whatever ram you desire (but max 2 SODIMM sticks, and max 5200mhz)
    - 2280 NVMe drive(s) - could go PCIe 5.0 but unlikely to see much real world difference
    - 120mm CPU fan (and possibly heatsink, depending on which model we get, although one person on reddit somehow squeezed a 140mm fan on)
    - Case - personal preference
    - PSU - personal preference
    - wifi card (maybe, depending on which model we get)

    • bleugh on 25/02/2025 - 06:55
      +1

      yep to all the above, (except the heatsink)
      Both models come with CPU heatsink, the more expensive one has an SSD heatsink and Wifi installed already.
      Considering you can get both of those items, significantly cheaper, it's really up to you!

      however, the 'up to 5200 MT' Max spec is pretty much universal throughout Intel and AMD boards, lowest common denominator of 'that speed works, anything faster, is your issue'

      Just keep an eye on the first word latency, the CL40 bit is important! - lower is better

      after a LOT of googling, etc, I purchased a 64 GiG Kingston Fury Impact set - KF556S40IBK2-64 which have CL40
      (I paid $30 less last week)

      https://www.jw.com.au/product/kingston-fury-impact-64gb-2x32…

      the big downside to this processor iGPU is quite weak (R610) Surprisingly weaker than my 4 year old 4800U (vega 8) laptop!, but, I barely play games and an always add that GPU later!

      https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0CDKTZSR8? - I picked up these 120mm fans for super cheap from Amazon to get me going ($9 for 3)

      I purchased a mid range SSD - Crucial T500 1TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD
      https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0CK39YR9V?
      (had intended to re-use my laptop one, but discovered it's actually an mSATA one!)

      Overall, i'm in now for

      $639 - This board
      $269 - Best currently available 64 Gig Kingston Fury Impact CL40 Memory
      $18 - open format case (https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0DHD43LZX?)
      $115 - mid range Cooler Master MWE 750V2 Gold Modular Supply
      $119 - mid range Crucial T500 1TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD
      $9 - 3 x cheap 120mm cooling fans
      $37 - Nice Ax210 based Wifi card - https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005454395717.html?
      $1206 total………

      you can easily save over $300 using cheaper / lower specced items!

      • Shadowsfury on 26/02/2025 - 15:07
        +1

        Appreciate the more detailed response, some food for thought for me of going this vs regular minipc (which will top out at 8 cores for AMD e.g. 8845HS/8745HS/7840HS type range). For my use case perhaps this is indeed better - double the grunt for around double/less than double the price.

        Probably pick up a small micro-ATX case though.

  • qwijibo on 02/03/2025 - 19:57
    +1

    I've got one of these, using it as a proxmox host/NAS.

    It works quite well:
    * IOMMU support (haven't tried passthru yet, but support seems to be there and everything is separated into IOMMU groups)
    * ollama on the CPU (not GPU) runs decently using 16 cores for the smaller models.
    * pci-e bifurcation works - I'm currently running a quad-nvme adapter card in the pci-e slot, with 2xnvme drives (plus the two onboard ones) and 2x asm1166 sata boards in it for 12 sata ports.

    Downsides:
    * I had to disable hybrid GPU in the bios otherwise plugging anything into the pci-e port screwed up the iGPU display.
    * anytime you add/remove a pci-e or m.2 device, it re-enumerates all the pci-e devices, including the onboard sound/network - this means your proxmox network interface changes, which is annoying.
    * BIOS is pretty minimal with tweakability.
    * Only supports 5200Mhz DDR5.
    * cpu cooler will conflict with rear cooling fans in some cases. Not sure if it is replaceable (there are screws underneath, but haven't tried it)

    If you already have all the other bits (case, psu, drives, etc), for under $1k you get a pretty beastly 16 cores machine with motherboard and 96G ram - for not much more than the 7950X cpu by itself.

    • Nom on 02/03/2025 - 20:39
      +2

      cpu cooler will conflict with rear cooling fans in some cases

      You can usually fix this by mounting that rear cooling fan onto the outside of the case - put a fan grille on it if there's going to be a danger to fingers.

    • qwijibo on 05/03/2025 - 13:25

      Level1Techs did a review of this board (including running it with a 5090): https://youtu.be/M0p8HMeO_WI?si=SPBANQyPQu9ZwQQG

      Gonna to try and run my ram at 5600Mhz now, and potentially run it at a bit lower latency than CL46.

      • bleugh on 06/03/2025 - 07:31
        +1

        I just watched that review!, i'm happy that it's cemented my purchase deceision as a good one.
        which RAM did you get? , the 64 GB kingston set i have runs at CL38 out of the box, but at 5200….haven't tried tweaking yet!

        • qwijibo on 07/03/2025 - 12:52
          +1

          I went with the crucial 96GB kit - easily does 5600 (but won't do 6000) at default CL46, and I've now tweaked the CL down to 40 - memtest runs fine, but I'm going to throw some more stress tests at it before I declare it stable.

          This is for a proxmox host, so memory stability, capacity and bandwidth is more important than lower CL. For a gaming system, I'd go with the kit you got, CL really does make a difference there.

          btw, from the output of dmidecode, it looks like the board supports 128GB (dual 64GB), and crucial sells a 128GB kit for $642 on amazon - but that is double what I paid for the 96GB kit.

    • qwijibo on 17/03/2025 - 15:21

      The cooler on this is a bit crap, but if you use a high static pressure fan, it improves quite a bit under load.

      • Using a no-name 120mm fan, load temps were about 95C under all-core load.
      • Thermalright TL-C12-B (came with a thermalright PS 120SE) dropped load temp to 90C average.
      • Corsair RS120 dropped load temp to 80C

      It's a shame they didn't do the same cooler setup as they have on the BD795M, so you could use a better & quieter cooler.

  • Dyl on 17/03/2025 - 12:51

    Isn't the non-SE the wifi model? According to pictures…

    • bleugh on 17/03/2025 - 13:51

      yes. BUT, the $100 cheaper one without the SSD heatsink is the bargain here….Just add a $10 wifi card in the slot. it comes with all the bits to add the antennas to the holes in the rear

      • Dyl on 17/03/2025 - 14:31

        Which slot? Not NVME right?

        • qwijibo on 17/03/2025 - 15:12
          +1

          It has a wifi slot (M.2 A/E key) on the board (and it comes with wifi pigtails), in addition to the M.2 nvme slots.

  • Dyl on 26/03/2025 - 15:14

    Mine was DoA…. Great.

    • bleugh on 26/03/2025 - 15:40

      Possibly isn't.
      When you turn it on with memory etc, leave it for 10 minutes

      it seems to take a while to self configure

      I thought mine was DOA too….

      Those first few bootups are SLOW….
      every other time now it's perfect!!

      • Dyl on 27/03/2025 - 00:05

        Mine wouldn't even turn the PSU on (no fan spin), so something wasn't right…

        Tested both PSU and front panel connector on other mb's, tested with a different PSU… If memory isnt in right PSU should style fire and a bios beep

        • bleugh on 27/03/2025 - 07:10

          not on this board!
          honestly, plug in, turn on and leave for 10 minutes!

          • Dyl on 27/03/2025 - 16:47

            @bleugh: No front header lights came on, was drawing 0.1w the PSU.

            Nothing was firing

  • bleugh on 27/03/2025 - 14:45

    I've Just run Cinebench 2024

    Haven't figured out how to overclock the memory yet,
    I have 5600 CL40 ram running at 5200 CL38 at the moment. should be able to improve the below by 10-15% at least when it's optimised
    also haven't optimised cooling yet - just shoved a random no-name fan on the heatsink!.
    you can barely hear it running whilst doing these renders!

    GPU - 5888 (an RTX 2060S)
    Multi Core - 1764, a bit faster than an Intel i9-14900HX laptop ($$$ LOTS) and about the same as an AMD Ryzen 9 9900X desktop (at $700)
    13% slower than the Intel 2021 points scoring Intel Core i7-14700K (at $570)

    *Single Core - 115, half way up the CPU-Monkey charts!
    right in with the Intel I7-13900H and Ryzen 7 7600X

    So, Summary,
    This thing's FAST and QUIET….and a bit cheaper than going with a full sized desktop system.

    • qwijibo on 29/03/2025 - 15:45

      It was pretty easy to bump the ram clock speed in the BIOS - I can't remember which menu it was under, but I did have to enable advanced overclocking. I have my crucial 5600 CL46 kit running at 5600 CL40 stable.

      See my comment above about the effect of different fans on the cooler.

  • Dyl on 29/03/2025 - 17:11

    Does this support RAID1 on the NVMe?

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