MY24 MG4 Excite 51 is at promotional price again until 31st of March.
A bit expensive than the previous deal which was at $32,990.
Included in the price are the colors Volcano Orange and Dover White and an additional $700 for the other colors.
MY24 MG MG4 Excite 51 $34,888 Driveaway @ MG Motor
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They already did. The dolphin is as low as $29,990 before on road cost for the Essential
Dolphin essential is a 70KW Motor, not useful outside city streets imo
Goes to show how much expectations vary!
Our 2005 toyota echo with its 63KW has for the last few years done a fortnightly 500km round trip on national highways.
Our only concern is not breaking speed limits and getting caught… and occasionally putting a poofteenth of fuel in it.What is the requirements that a say…70KW vehicle doesn't meet? Is it the perhaps 1 or 2 minutes lost on a 200Km trip because your acceleration doesn't instantly get you to the speed limit, or is it that you need to pull a tonne or more trailer, or is it that you need power in reserve in case cops chase you when you're cruising at 125 KPH?
I mean, you're entitled to your own set of values, but I'd love to step back in a time machine with you, to see how difficult you find survival.
@otter-raptor: Snarky edgelord because you suggest 0-100km/h in 12.3 seconds on city streets is too slow!
na… I was unsuccessfully attempting to point out to you that your requirements are ridiculous.City streets have a speed limit of 50-60km/h, so it's the 0-50 or 0-60 figures that are real life relevant to you.
After flooring it to make sure your ego is intact by leading the pack, then cruising on 60 km/h between traffic lights… when you get to your destination what is it you do with the say….49 seconds you saved with your neck snapping acceleration? Fork oil you say?I mean, I can understand the thrill of going for a fang, of taking your car or bike to the raceway for some hot laps or standing quarter (400m) drags, and that sort of thing…. I guess if you have to bundle all the requirements into 1 vehicle, and you're into the speed thrills… go for your HP fix. Though something just a bit over your 70KW hard limit isn't going to exactly thrill you on the track or strip if it has 4 wheels.
My old toyota coaster has a whopping 96KW, and has cracked 130 km/h on a flat road, but only the mentally cracked would consider that to be exciting. However, only a buffoon would say it's totally unsuitable as a motorhome.
If you reach some point in your life where circumstances and finances mean you can have access to more than one vehicle, you might change your outlook on the key importance of 0-100km/h. Myself, I've got access to the toyota echo for economical travel, an lpg 6 ford for towing trailers, a motorhome for…errr…motorhoming, an old MX5 for playing with corners…… and a ducati monster for corners and speed, a big single for a thumping thrill, an old matchless for the excitement of wondering if I'll reach where I'm heading to, a couple of tractors for doing tractor stuff… I won't worry about mentioning the pleasures of the old jags.
The point is, snarky edgelord, that cheap EVs aren't only considered for purchase by boy racers of whatever age, but by a whole spectrum of people. I wouldn't have thought twice if you said…. too underpowered for my purposes. However, when a great majority of people aren't boy or superannuated boy racers, such cheap EVs can be perfectly suitable power wise.
@otter-raptor: Nope, englees is my first language.
12.3 seconds 0-100 is not very useable on highways. gotcha…. if you saved 3 seconds in your life and brought it down to 9 seconds that might be cool.Very bothered by your comment?….nah I just rolled my eyes, then thought ….maybe I should try to apply some intelligence to the otter bird.
Nope, I haven't bought any EV, though I'm watching what's available and considering it. If you reckon trying to speak intelligently to someone is "taking it personal and tooting my horn" you're entitled to do that of course.
In terms of maturity…. (I didn't once mention "coming of age" let alone keep talking about it)… other readers will notice that my input has been various points for consideration. Your input has been lacking in relevant points of view or factors, but based on attempts at insults. That's ok… if you ever change you might be a great person to meet and exchange ideas with.
Bye bye.@rooster7777: Considering your advanced age and erratic comments, please check this before leaving :
https://www.dementia.org.au/brain-health/sooner-you-know-mor…
Is 70kW electric equivalent to 70kW ICE with a gearbox?
@bargaino: Certainly not, electric motors with good low end torque makes it a lot useful in start stop traffic , easy off the set of lights, however the dolphin 70KW is slow in 0-100 metric, 12.3 seconds in ideal conditions , makes it a no-go for me, especially when driving on highways - compared to the MG 51.
I’ve driven both and prefer MG51 with rear wheel drive and it is a well balanced drive.
I’ll pick that over Dolphin even when Dolphin comes with a lot of creature comforts.
@otter-raptor: "the dolphin 70KW is slow in 0-100 metric, 12.3 seconds in ideal conditions"
Gotta agree
Most people will find that very frustating
I expect to see many of them back on the used car market within 2 years as is happening with the under powered MGs.
Especially with the advances in small car ICE engines like the Toyota Corolla which literally flies!
@Dr Phil: Yeah and people try to justify it saying their Echo was even less powerful, conveniently ignoring that Echo was far lighter , Dolphin is a heavy car with a slow motor at entry level .
For a lot of people it makes sense to get the upgraded motor or an MG4 which is nicer to drive and can be kept for longer and it costs 5 grand more.
@elcheapoinoz: The 70kW spec is after losses.
0-100 in 12 seconds means it is OK for city, freeway, and "interstate" grade highways. But I would not want it for regular country driving.
It isn't terrible, nor good. I remember when Combi vans took twice that long.
I haven’t driven an EV that weak but if anything like my mg4 on eco mode but even weaker I have to agree with you that this car is a slowpoke and won’t be nimble enough to turn in tight gap between cars. Just not enough instant torque.
It be like driving a plain old Yaris and there nothing wrong with that. Just need to wait it out for the best timing.
@ChickenAdobo: It is underpowered for sure, it makes merging on motorways awkward as well as there are drivers who don’t follow the merging etiquette and makes it harder than required.
MG4 and the higher powered Dolphin are the way to go for entry level EVs due to their weight.
EVs are brilliant, just need to choose the right model to
Avoid buyer’s remorse.@otter-raptor: I’m with you there. My next hatchback should be XPower level. I’m so used to the torque that I’m desiring more.
@ChickenAdobo: I'm disappointed often when I drive my MG4 because most of the time I can't fully unleash its power due to traffic.
I can only imagine the disappointment I would have if I had the XPower.
@samfisher5986: Come to WA. You can unleash it on highways here easily. The traffic is not as bad as the eastern states.
Li-ion battery: EV vs mobile-phone, why 'Oversizing the battery', https://batteryuniversity.com/article/why-mobile-phone-batte…
The battery of MG4 weight ~ 5,246 time more than 5000mAh mobile-phone-battery.
5000mAh mobile phone battery weigh ~ 0.076kg, https://www.amazon.com.au/5000mAh-955565-Lithium-Replacement…
MG4 battery pack weigh ~ 398.7kg, https://www.mgevs.com/threads/mg4-51kwh-lfp-battery-health.1…
This is car has LFP battery and there are at least two video showing bi-directional (V2x) working without any software update.
V2L only or V2G as well?
Both. Regarding V2G and V2H will have to depend on the state legislation. I know WA will take awhile but SA is V2G ready and possibly VIC/NSW should follow soon after.
There are still no approved V2G wall units that I'm aware of (Other than Chademo SA trial ones), though there are certainly a few in progress so hopefully not too far away.
Interesting around the V2G as MG only rate this one for V2L so curious to see whether there are are any current limits that they're adding on the output.
@noisymime: Would a V2G/H wall unit double as a wall EV charger? About to get a BYD Atto 3. Should I hold off on buying a wall charger?
@sween64: Yes they will work as a wall charger (i.e they are bidirectional). Personally I'm waiting for bi-directional, but I also know that will be an early adopter and they will be a lot more expensive than a normal single direction EV charger.
@sween64: V2h isn't going to make sense economically. You're better off just getting an actual power wall if you need power reserves or be off-grid
@krisspy: Won’t make sense economically because a bi-directional charger will be more expensive than a wall battery?
@krisspy: Yeah no. An excite 51 is four powerwall 3 in capacity for the price of two power wall 3 fully installed. Add a v2G charger and you will be spending less than four power wall 3 in total cost.
Don’t know how you did your maths unless you factor in state rebate. Even with the rebate it completely better to get excite 51 because you got a car and stattionary storage for the night.
@krisspy: It might make sense if you're with Amber, and are always in a position to sell your electricity at the best prices, especially when the wholesale rate goes into negative territory. I can't comment on payback period however.
@nomadspartan: You don't even need to be with Amber. With EV plan, you get cheap $0.08/kWh to charge the car overnight, and get the car to supply electricity other times that you don't get solar and outside of EV rate window (i.e. when you get home from work and before leaving for work). So essentially you are paying $0.08/kWh as your highest rate.
@noisymime: Car manufacturers also haven't clarified how/if V2G affects warranty.
That said, V2G seems to be working for most mainstream models, I know the ambibox, which will be manufacturered under license by redearth works with byd, mg, telsa, polestar, etc.
@neflardio: With no knowledge of the technical details is appears that if cars have a battery capacity 4x a powerwall, powering your house from a car battery is going to draw significantly less energy/stress/heat than actually driving the car.
Of course warranties aren't always based on what is reasonable
There are still no approved V2G wall units that I'm aware of
https://zecar.com/reviews/bidirectional-v2h-and-v2g-ev-charg…
@ruprectaus: There's only 1 on there (SigenStor) that's actually claiming to be available and it's a combo battery, solar inverter and charger rather than just a bi-directional charger. I'm a little skeptical of the actual availability, I was speaking to one of their apparent distributors a few weeks ago and they told me there were no V2G chargers available yet.
@noisymime: Here's a video where they should that system with a 25kw inverter, 32kwh storage and the 25kw bidirectional DC charger - quite impressive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf3KtyZ56Ks
@parta: Not saying it's not a great product (Though for $33k it'd certainly want to be!), I'm just not sure it's actually available yet.
The older SA trial systems were under a totally different arrangement from the new national standards and were only really available for Nissan Leafs. If there are approved V2G/V2H chargers available today, I haven't been able to find anyone actually selling/installing them. I expect a flood of them in the coming months though.
I still think the Excite 51 is priced too high compared to the Dolphin Essential.
Dolphin essential is hugely underpowered at 70kw. Don’t there there is any other vehicle with less power.
any other vehicle
cmon bro don't make me start posting links to e-bikes
too late, that e-bike you were going to link to caught fire
@ozisaver
Goes to show how much expectations vary!Our 2005 toyota echo with its 63KW has for the last few years done a fortnightly 500km round trip on national highways.
Our only concern is not breaking speed limits and getting caught… and occasionally putting a poofteenth of fuel in it.What is the requirements that a say…70KW vehicle doesn't meet? Is it the perhaps 1 or 2 minutes lost on a 200Km trip because your acceleration doesn't instantly get you to the speed limit, or is it that you need to pull a tonne or more trailer, or is it that you need power in reserve in case cops chase you when you're cruising at 125 KPH?
I mean, you're entitled to your own set of values, but I'd love to step back in a time machine with you, to see how difficult you find survival.
@rooster7777
Its not just the power numbers you need to look at.
You need to compare the power to weight figures.
A small engine can be fine for a lightweight car, but batteries are heavier than petrol.FYI
A 2005 Toyota echo is > 87 kw/t.
A 2025 BYD dolphin is < 47 kw/t.Your Echo probably has around 80% more power per tonne than the dolphin.
Please correct me if my maths is wrong.But @ozisavers point is valid, even if you disagree with him.
The MG is still better on paper.
How is this a deal? It was once 31K driveaway
A deal is a deal. Though you look abit harder you can get these used with low KMs for less.
So if a jar of PB which is normally $5 goes on sale for $3, that's not a deal if it once was on sale for $2.50?
How is this a deal?…
Zelensky says no deal 🙅♂️
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Sir this is a Wendy's
I bought this back in October, it immediately become our favorite car to drive in. (compared to our 2023 Rav4 Cruiser Hyb)
On top of that, I charge it by solar so drive around for free :-)
It does have some flaws tho.. to be expected for a car that cost me 28k after WA rebates. but on the whole… It gets an upvote from me!
The flaws are mainly the software, but excluding Tesla there isn't an obvious other brand that has polished software anyway.
Have you compared BYD software against Tesla software?
BYD is very similar to MG. Only difference is they do OTA updates in Australia where MG doesn't in Australia.
@samfisher5986: I test drove both the MG ZS EV & MG4 and the BYD Atto 3. I found the central touch screen UI and responsiveness much better in the BYD. I've seen the Tesla (a couple of mates have an older model) but have never interacted with it.
BYD's is OK. Does what I want it to do which is operate car and let me use Android Auto
I drive a hyundai Kona EV. (2024+ model).
Software is great on the whole. Speed warnings get a bad wrap but not too bad. Easy to turn off too.
I mean, software is great compared to what?
If it can change lanes automatically or turn corners then thats interesting, otherwise it needs to have a large set of features like Tesla.
have you tried to give it a good wrap
wouldn't the rav 4 be a smooth ride compared to this?
most of the EV's I've drive in are jerky from the instant torque to the braking
let me know the flaws mate
Just set it to eco mode or snow mode, atleast on my byd it accelerates like a clapped out camry on snow mode. Limits power to around 40kw and progressively opens up as you get to higher speeds. You can literally floor it from stop and watch econoboxes out accelerate you.
the braking still is sharper and more jerky than ICE cars I found… I own one of each fuel except for LPG and plug-in hybrid
@Poor Ass: Some are better than others. Even within BYD it's a bit of a mixed bag. BYD Seal brake pedal feel is really grabby and heavy whereas the Atto 3 is really good.
I've only driven the MG4 X-Power and it was as smooth, or not smooth as you drove it. Felt pretty natural in the lower regen modes. The higher regen sucked but that's the case for every EV.
Much like changing gears in a manual - it can be a bit jerky at first if the driver is inexperienced.
It's pretty easy to drive smoothly, even with relatively high regen, within a few hours of familiarity.
apart from the software issues:
Speakers are rubbish
DAB reception is pretty poor
The distance between the seat and the edge of the car is huge… its a weird one to complain about but for my short arse wife its a pain the the ass (calves) every time she has to get out of the car.
the bonnet and wiper issue is dumb
they dont ship the car with the under car sag issue fixed… even after all this time.
its a european model so the indicators on the wrong side. :-P (and the number plate holes dont match the australian plates)
some of the plastics in and around the car are a bit soft and easy to scratch.
keep in mind… i still like this car a lot. I'm just picking holes in it.
its perfect for our daily driver commuter car, and quick trips to the shops car.
The piano black section on the back is a massive pain to keep clean and scratches like crazy.
Love it otherwise.
@Hardicus: yeah.. contemplating getting a laminate sticker on there just to protect it.
Something in matt black might even look better on my red MG4
You are probably aware, but just in case, the "bonnet and wiper issue" isn't really an issue. It's an aero feature and is mitigated by putting the wipers into service mode
@delemonte: poor design tho…
having to find the menu option to put it in service mode before you can safely lift the wipers is super dumb. especially when its something that a person without access to the car menu system could reasonably assume its safe to lift the wipers, when its actually NOT.
its just a shit design feature and worthy of being called out as such.
And when can we expect the up vote? 😄😜
After MG's fire sale finished in October 2024, wasn't the usual price for an Excite 51 $34,990 driveaway? This is just $111 cheaper with a bait price for the Chinese market ('888').
Love this bait price saying.
People here love RRP prices. See all the listings for RRP and all the upvotes.
It has been close to 35k for a while now, not a deal
If you are hesitant.
I would assume they won't honour the deal after the expiry date.
I asked them to honour the deal on 64 shorly after expiry and the dealer wouldn't move from RRP, so I walked away.Might have just been the Adelaide dealer squeezing though.
The rebates to get the car down to the advertised promo are usually provided by the manufacturer. Once the promo ends they'd have to wear the discount hence the refusal.
Of course, any good dealer worth their salt would be smuggling cars into being registered if there are good rates on offer.
Not a deal given previous discounts and MG's willingness to ramp up RRPs again.
Happy with my demo X-Power at $41.5K :)
Ex-demo Long Range could also be found for around the same price in October 2024, so at this price for the 51 I’d recommend shopping around for a better deal on a higher trim.
how good does it feel smashing those Golf R drivers at the lights!
Opps, It cannot smash Golf R. You are another jealous one?
pretty sure it MG4X power can
@Poor Ass: Definitely can - cocky Tesla drivers also. The only time I've met my match was against an Ioniq 5 N, which to be fair is a $111,000 car!
Feels even better when it’s a SKyline etc your smashing.
Or a commodore/ford falcon at red light.
Brilliant price for an X-Power - was this in Perth ?
VIC. Had to go about 3 hours out of Melbourne to a regional dealership.
If you didnt get the X-Power would of you of gone for an MG4 Essence ?
@ELH05: I was looking at the Long Range 77 as an alternative, and there was one going for around the same price as the X-Power.
Couldn't turn down the X-Power after taking both for a test drive :-) Though undoubtedly the Long Range 77 would also have been a great choice (and admittedly the more sensible one!).
29k drive away should be the right price for this.
Byd will hopefully lower prices soon. It’s way too high atm. Not if but when.Dolphin is probably closes to that price
It probably will fall to this . How soon depends on sales ( or rather lack of ).
I feel very Excite for 29k drive away
I got one for 29k during the sale last year. So they could go back to that.
Excellent car to drive, excellent value.
Not an all time low but is certainly discounted, despite the counter claims this isn’t rrp.
This is a great car, I drove it last year as a rental. Very nice. Smooth running and the girls do like it and I get stares all the time and as a middle aged man, that feels empowering. BUT, I still prefer my 2012 Camry by a small margin because my Camry has digital radio and leather seats and a tiny bit better sound system and a slightly more comfier ride with a little bit more leg room and a little cheaper to service and easier to find used parts and by a tiny margin slightly better resale value. But apart from that, the MG4 is a better car than my 2012 Camry. I am thinking of getting a used one for my daughter when she turns 18, she is 15 right now and she thinks it's very cute or maybe the GWM bug eyed electric car which she thinks is also very cute. She likes them both. Chinese makes very cute cars and cheap especially when used and 3 years old. I know that…this may be the most informative post you have read on the MG4, I like to share positivity especially in the sea of negativity when it comes to change and I hope we all can embrace this change and live life without suffering. Please wear sunscreen people, skin cancer is a real problem and having a big sunroof exposes you to cancer and an early death. So look after yourself. The MG4 does not have a sunroof but it is a good car. I hope I didn't waste 64 seconds of your life.
Challenge you've got with the Ora is that it isn't setting the world on fire with sales. If they get dumped and people forget about them, you could struggle to sell it later on or get parts for it.
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come on BYD, your turn